Thanks to VOD & Suchmoon secondstrade.com now got a red trust

[rabiow12]

Hi all,

Again Thanks to VOD & Suchmoon secondstrade.com now got a red trust , Thank you very VERY much sir, they still refuse to refund me but waiting for any hope.  



Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Thank you again.

[spartak_t]

Can you sign a message to prove that you own these addresses? It is clear that transactions were to secondtrade-related addresses, but that doesn't prove you own them.

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

EDIT: Their account has some negative trust, but I'm not sure if it is deserved.

[rabiow12]

Yes i can sign a msg to prove that its my address but do you think that this will make any change since he is refusing to refund me or or his other players...?

Can you sign a message to prove that you own these addresses? It is clear that transactions were to secondtrade-related addresses, but that doesn't prove you own them.

I still got no refund ,Please help urgently.

https://blockchain.info/tx/e9c1b4482d8fb046ed452b1286791872a7dfb316a19e2cd173360448854abc25
 
AND

https://blockchain.info/tx/78476e80288d5db927f78ea28abd94219ebe08a7d9f792712b79f6b9589495a6

Thank you.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

EDIT: Their account has some negative trust, but I'm not sure if it is deserved.

[spartak_t]

Yes i can sign a msg to prove that its my address but do you think that this will make any change since he is refusing to refund me or or his other players...?

I would try to read between the lines if I were you:

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

[KWH]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else? 

[ndnh]

I am not really sure, in this case, who tried to scam / scammed who.

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Secondstrade means that OP found a flaw in their provably fair system and intentionally broadcasted the transaction ids that win.

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Wondering the same thing.

[electronicash]

I'm with you OP.
There had been accusation to him winde the start, i was also into binary few months ago until i got scammed.
What i don't like with secondstrade is that you are forced to use harddrive wallet to bet and that will cause delay in betting, that itself seem scamy to me.

[spartak_t]

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Secondstrade means that OP found a flaw in their provably fair system and intentionally broadcasted the transaction ids that win.

Maybe that could be the case, but what if he sign a message and prove ownership of the address? I'm not sure how to check if a transaction is winning or losing, because I have other things to do now.

[rabiow12]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

[spartak_t]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

[rabiow12]

Sure, I will sign a msg as soon as i get home hopping that i will get my money back from a big monster like secondstrade.com

Thank u

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

[warningsigns]

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything hi is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

The simple reason behind this is because some of the green-trust members (hero and legendary in fact) are most likely being compensated with a "cut" by these degenerate fraudsters. As such, these so-called "pillars of the community" withhold the red label.

[warningsigns]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

[KWH]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything hi is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

The simple reason behind this is because some of the green-trust members (hero and legendary in fact) are most likely being compensated with a "cut" by these degenerate fraudsters. As such, these so-called "pillars of the community" withhold the red label.

You obviously have a reading/understanding disorder but none the less, back up your accusations with proof.

[spartak_t]

You didn't even leave a Negative but you blame everyone else?  

Yes i did in his thread and if you mean in his profile than huh!! Its already full of scam accusations but no red trust also i didnt cheat or anything if the owner has problems in his game than thats not my fucking problem he must refund us WFT !.

You said that you are going to sign a message to prove ownership, yet you continue to talk with unsupported claims?

Tsk tsk. When a nerve is struck you see them supporting these fraudsters.

Someone paid me 1 FAIL to jump on this thread. Nothing personal, it's just business. 

[rabiow12]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

[spartak_t]

Quoting for reference:

Hi all,

Im running this scam accusation against every trusted member cause this guy "secondstrade.com" is scamming all his players and got no red trust while a poor guy was selling an amazon gift card for 15 usd got huge amounts of red trust asking him to post proves in order to delete his red trust.... so the funny part noone ever asked the member secondstrade.com for anything he is totaly being ignored like hi is some kind of a mafia
.. now if you want to see what im talking about here is his thread where you can hear his players screaming for help and noone doing a damn about it :

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.2340

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676


Finaly i say : what a fair forum....really!

you used transaction id that you selected.  so we can not refund you.

They didn't said that you've lost, they basically said that you used random transaction.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16512431#msg16512431

Maybe that could be the case, but what if he sign a message and prove ownership of the address? I'm not sure how to check if a transaction is winning or losing, because I have other things to do now.

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

SecondsTrade, care to elaborate?

P.S. I've notified them via PM and Twitter: https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/785777826569912320

[satmas]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=


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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

address 1: message verified

address 2: message verified

[RocketSingh]

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

Well, now I hope, we'll see an explanation from SecondsTrade.

[rabiow12]

Do you think secondstrade the SCAMMER will give a shit to reply here ? Huh!!  He fucking refuse to refund us without any proof look at what he said:

I have a bet that won, and has not paid out yet. It was supposed to pay out 0.354246BTC
Your site is returning an error page

http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=2d0f175f4b2bf8fa488fd7587a9d6d967325d19de891a3e06e9537f26ca40a99

Thanks for your help!

..............

it was our mistake that  we opened imperfect  txdice.
nevertheless, it is also not a right thing for you  to use the weakest point of TX dice.  
it can not be refunded.
thank you.

 WTFFFF? POST A FUCKING PROOF THAT WE USED YOUR weakest point of TX dice.!!!!!! ALSO ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM EXACTLY AS YOU SAID ! MOTHERFUCKER

Signed msg address 1:

Address: 142VcHKH1ALXsF5iqzmE1LGEc1VXYTnn5S
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IJ7PPB4EqWfHRR0+Z6YAiz/kZ4PA8HUGXnksavjm5fgrGKi3CaGMj1z6UNe6rofPdWtKxzU7atysK1Zp1n0DUGI=

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Signed msg address 2:

Address: 1CsHZNGcTFkgLvBhwL4rwnvmTsQ4P6qZYz
Message: rabiow12 - FROM BITCOINTALK.ORG
Sg: IAc7Zk7BIFmv1M6b1/SwXFze6YDPZHtJfGm/HjFdgDrNeC52re4eeDvR3Grb5U++hZzslp3dSHJH93ZnvlLu7Qc=



Hopping that this will make any change...


Thank you.

Well, now I hope, we'll see an explanation from SecondsTrade.

AND STILL NO RED TRUST FOR SECONDSTRADE TILL NOW  WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!! WOOOOOOOOOW