[ION] [IONOMY] Worthy successor to XPY - 100% premined - Garza would be proud

[suchmoon]

After being warned by a mod that discussing links between altcoins may be off-topic in an altcoin announcement thread (weird but I don't make the rules) I have decided to start a separate thread with a more appropriate title and dedicated solely to the subject.

Brief history of the origins of ION/ionomy:

The current ionomy "team" is the same "team" that tried to resuscitate XPY for a year, during which time XPY went from ~$0.50 to ~$0.02. After having thoroughly failed with XPY the "team" created their own hyperinflating coin - ION (currently down ~50% since the ICO), rebranded "xpy.io" into "ionomy.com", and exchanged XPY to ION at an 8:1 rate. Here is the ionomy announcement:

http://archive.is/tuWVB

In addition to that, the main "features" of ION have been "borrowed" from XPY:

- 100% premine
- 100% inflation
- massive push to use a web wallet with "PNGs" and "skins"
- no real-life use 6+ months after the ICO
- militant shills
- "walled garden" communication methods
- refusal to provide any kind of transparency regarding ICO

More details can be found in this FAQ that I tried to compose over the last few months:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

Announcement thread - abandoned by the "devs":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.0

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[suchmoon]

Reserved.

[kken01]

how nice for all the scammers and shitcoin producers that you cant link different coins from the same people

here is all the innovation they have made so far. Garza like png crap sold only for btc. obviously they dont want their own shitcoin because selling 0.0001 worth crashes the price. yobit avg daily volume is around 0.01




its worthy to note that ionomy pte doesnt exist according to ACRA (singaporean government). neither did xpy pte. spot the pattern!  

This XPY Pte. Ltd.

ref: http://web.archive.org/web/20150813032326/http://www.xpy.io/privacy.pdf

by ionomy PTE(“we” or “us”)

ref: http://archive.is/iwdjM#selection-539.91-539.115



ref: tis.bizfile.gov.sg

current lie is that they have always operated under graval pte and it has been under rename since june but due to slowness of snail mail its still not done. graval is not in good standing anyway - last filings are from 2013




who is behind this beautiful shitcoin? there are a bunch of names but these are from the whitepaper

Adam Matlack
adam@ionomy.com

Michael Pfeiffer
michael@ionomy.com

Richard Nelson
richard@ionomy.com

ref: http://archive.is/4DhcO#selection-511.1-551.18

maybe you have seen some of these names before or maybe not. adam matlack was garzas childhood friend. there were 3 hyper inflating wallets called prime controllers that garza sold and 1 of them was matlacks

they bought the ion coin as a clone job. their only dev stated he received it as compressed file hence their github looks the way it does. currently there has been no dev work in 7 months  

they have just recently hired part-time nav coin / sherlockcoin dev (most likely this person: soopy452000 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158610).

XPY will have a fixed value of 8 to 1.
Customers who hold XPY will be able to purchase ION stakers at a ratio of 8 XPY to 1 ION.

All XPY used to purchase ION stakers in the ISO will be burned.

ref: http://archive.is/tuWVB#selection-987.0-991.90

they failed / lied and burned only part of them (5.5 mil burned - https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#@inflation). the shills are saying its more important they work on their new shitcoin than fulfill their obligations

they also gifted cryptsy a hyper inflating wallet. what a move.

The Paycoin Core Development Corporation announced that Cryptsy will be joining the Prime Node Management group with their acquisition of a Prime Controller on April 16, 2015

ref: http://web.archive.org/web/20150511104217/http://talk.paycoin.com/discussion/830/cryptsy-received-a-prime-node/

[altheshort]

maybe you have seen some of these names before or maybe not. adam matlack was garzas childhood friend. there were 3 hyper inflating wallets called prime controllers that garza sold and 1 of them was matlacks

Just curious, do you have a source you could point to for Matlack being Garza's childhood friend? I've seen that insinuated on bitcointalk a few times and I've never seen any evidence that was the case. I'm just trying to be balanced here, and from what I can see Matlack was simply another naive investor duped by Garza for a bunch of money who appears to have made some baffling decisions since then as the de facto community leader. I don't think he was ever friends per se with Garza -- but I'm open to being proven wrong, of course.

they also gifted cryptsy a hyper inflating wallet. what a move.

The Paycoin Core Development Corporation announced that Cryptsy will be joining the Prime Node Management group with their acquisition of a Prime Controller on April 16, 2015

ref: http://web.archive.org/web/20150511104217/http://talk.paycoin.com/discussion/830/cryptsy-received-a-prime-node/

Again, I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that 'Team Paycoin', which later became XPY.io and then eventually Ionomy were (supposedly) a completely separate entity to 'The Paycoin Core Development Corporation'. The lack of action from the Core Dev team was cited as a reason for XPY.io to split off and form Ionomy, in fact. However, I notice that 'Grav' posted in that thread with a some vague insight into what the 'Core Dev' team were doing at the time, and I believe he's most likely the Singapore contact and owner of Graval PTE -- so that shows that there was at least at one point some co operation and communication between the groups.

Regardless, Ion apologists will point to the fact that 'Team Paycoin' i.e. Matlack and co technically didn't gift cryptsy the Prime. I'm by no means their biggest fan, but I think its important to stick to the heaps of issues they genuinely don't have easy retorts to, as you've already stated, like the frankly ridiculous ongoing problem with the company registration, or the fact that they're essentially shitting out free coins and offloading them through 'promotions' to their enraptured tens of fans for BTC they can easily cash out. I don't necessarily think they're corrupt, but it's abundantly obvious that neither the team running the project nor the main user base have learnt any lessons from XPY either under Garza or, more latterly, under the vague development offered by XPY.io.

[kken01]

il try to find the evidence later today about matlack & garza. its possible that you are correct and the only connection is that they were both from texas (originally). its been so long since the stuff was posted in the huge gaw thread. i have a tingling that i saw an old picture of garzas grilling party with a bunch of friends and one of them looked identical to matlack except younger + short hair

thats what they claimed indeed. just as they claimed xpy/ionomy pte totally existed. from a legal point of view its certainly true as the core dev was for profit and the other non-profit. its highly unlikely they didnt agree on it as a group. heck the foundation ran the main github and matlack/foundation ended up owning 1 more pc than the xpy core devs. lets not forget that the pcs had voting power for the future of the coin. cryptsy pc and non-verified ones were non-voting


but yeah its not that important compared to all the current issues stated in suchmoons post + faq

the biggest concern is that none of the ionites saw anything wrong with the halloween 200% staker pngs. they actually celebrated it. what if the team decides the sale numbers were not good enough and they need additional funding by xmas. new pngs are born with an even higher rate or lower price to entice more sales. all the previous ion holders are losing value faster than they can say: what?

and whats up with this weird idea that 3rd party game devs will incorporate ions/electrons just to leverage the ion community of <100 people and pay a huge premium on every iap.... if they can even get around google / apple tos

[altheshort]

and whats up with this weird idea that 3rd party game devs will incorporate ions/electrons just to leverage the ion community of <100 people and pay a huge premium on every iap.... if they can even get around google / apple tos

Without sounding like a nitpicking arse, and with the greatest respect to you, I'm sure you realise that their business plan hinges on them getting enough users in to expand that currently rather threadbare community and make it desirable enough for 3rd party game devs to accept those terms. If they don't get the users into the community (and as I've said before, I just don't think they will -- the whole concept just seems a bit too clunky in my opinion for casual mobile gamers to truly engage in the ecosystem), it won't work. For all of their grandstanding and bravado, I'm sure MrCoins et al are aware of that.

With regards to the app stores -- they seem fairly confident that they've found a way around the TOS, so I guess we'll see what happens when they finally get round to making a first release.

[suchmoon]

getting enough users

That's probably the most ridiculously underestimated part of ionomy "business plan". I've seen some shills enthusiastic posters mention numbers like 10k beta users for Gravity but no actual plan to get there or any reasonable estimate of ARPU. It looks like they're hoping the game will go "viral" on its own and all their problems will be solved.

Basically it's the Paycoin "business plan", except Google and Apple replaced Amazon and Target.

[WildShark]

In addition to that, the main "features" of ION have been "borrowed" from XPY:

- 100% premine
- 100% inflation
- massive push to use a web wallet with "PNGs" and "skins"
- no real-life use 6+ months after the ICO
- militant shills
- "walled garden" communication methods
- refusal to provide any kind of transparency regarding ICO

Could you please provide some facts to support justification for your list of "borrowed features". Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

ION is an innovative technology based on Masternodes and Gaming!!!

[altheshort]

getting enough users

That's probably the most ridiculously underestimated part of ionomy "business plan". I've seen some shills enthusiastic posters mention numbers like 10k beta users for Gravity but no actual plan to get there or any reasonable estimate of ARPU. It looks like they're hoping the game will go "viral" on its own and all their problems will be solved.

Basically it's the Paycoin "business plan", except Google and Apple replaced Amazon and Target.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. To be honest I find it difficult to believe that there will be any 'external' users from outside the group who chat on slack (other than the kids of MrCoins and others) who would even have the faintest interest in beta testing the game. I certainly don't get the impression there is a large user group champing at the bit to get on the game.

To be honest, its like the majority of crypto projects in that it's half baked and appears poorly run, poorly communicated and overall poorly thought out.

[suchmoon]

In addition to that, the main "features" of ION have been "borrowed" from XPY:

- 100% premine
- 100% inflation
- massive push to use a web wallet with "PNGs" and "skins"
- no real-life use 6+ months after the ICO
- militant shills
- "walled garden" communication methods
- refusal to provide any kind of transparency regarding ICO

Could you please provide some facts to support justification for your list of "borrowed features". Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

ION is an innovative technology based on Masternodes and Gaming!!!

Masternodes were "borrowed" from XPY Prime Controllers. Gaming doesn't exist yet - the first game that was supposed to be released in June is currently still in alpha testing.

Which of my statements are not true?

100% premine is in the whitepaper.
100% inflation is in the whitepaper.

https://github.com/ionomy/ion/wiki/ION-Technical-Whitepaper

Example of a push to used "PNGs" has been posted above by kken01.
No real-life use - since I can't prove a negative it's up to you to provide a proof of real-life use.
Militant shills - this way: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.msg14764422#msg14764422
"walled garden" - the "team" is communicating only in the echo chamber that is their slack channel
ICO transparency - millions of coins unaccounted for: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.msg16554577#msg16554577

[WildShark]

Gaming doesn't exist yet - the first game that was supposed to be released in June is currently still in alpha testing.

Only in your world does gaming not exists... I've been playing Gravity for over a month now and the MAJOR features of ION is Masternodes and Gaming...

Neither of these ION features came from XPY!!! and are off-topic in accordance to your thread title...

Garza has nothing to do with the implementation of these major functions and probability doesn't give a shit about ION or Ionomy

I will give you credit that both ION and XPY is a POS coin and that's about the only similarity...

[suchmoon]

Gaming doesn't exist yet - the first game that was supposed to be released in June is currently still in alpha testing.

Only in your world does gaming not exists... I've been playing Gravity for over a month now and the MAJOR features of ION is Masternodes and Gaming...

Neither of these ION features came from XPY!!! and are off-topic in accordance to your thread title...

Garza has nothing to do with the implementation of these major functions and probability doesn't give a shit about ION or Ionomy

I will give you credit that both ION and XPY is a POS coin and that's about the only similarity...

Where can I download Gravity? Your access to an alpha version of the game doesn't invalidate the fact that the game doesn't exist for anyone outside of the small group of large bagholders.

XPY had hyperinflating wallets too, called Prime Controllers. Get your facts straight sharkie.

Edit: you still haven't substantiated your ridiculous claim:

Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

Which of my statements are not true?

The fact that you can make up some "features" that are slightly different from XPY doesn't make the other facts false. Garza "had" Amazon and Target and credit cards, ionomy "has" Google and Apple and mobile gaming... same shit, different buzzwords.

[WildShark]

Gaming doesn't exist yet - the first game that was supposed to be released in June is currently still in alpha testing.

Only in your world does gaming not exists... I've been playing Gravity for over a month now and the MAJOR features of ION is Masternodes and Gaming...

Neither of these ION features came from XPY!!! and are off-topic in accordance to your thread title...

Garza has nothing to do with the implementation of these major functions and probability doesn't give a shit about ION or Ionomy

I will give you credit that both ION and XPY is a POS coin and that's about the only similarity...

Where can I download Gravity? Your access to an alpha version of the game doesn't invalidate the fact that the game doesn't exist for anyone outside of the small group of large bagholders.

XPY had hyperinflating wallets too, called Prime Controllers. Get your facts straight sharkie.

Edit: you still haven't substantiated your ridiculous claim:

Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

Which of my statements are not true?

XPY evolved from Peercoin

ION evolved from DASH / Blackcoin

Long answer = read the whitepaper

What bit of XPY is in ION don't ignore this question answer it I'd really like to know

[suchmoon]

Sharkie, quoting some unrelated post is not an answer. You claimed my statements are not true. Which statements in particular are not true? Use your own words.

[o0o0]

In addition to that, the main "features" of ION have been "borrowed" from XPY:

- 100% premine
- 100% inflation
- massive push to use a web wallet with "PNGs" and "skins"
- no real-life use 6+ months after the ICO
- militant shills
- "walled garden" communication methods
- refusal to provide any kind of transparency regarding ICO

Could you please provide some facts to support justification for your list of "borrowed features". Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

ION is an innovative technology based on Masternodes and Gaming!!!

can you please provide some "facts" as to why one should invest when you said any sane investor would check quarterly and yearly financials of which ionomy/graval have none. you dont have a right to ask for facts when you wont back your statements up. answer this please.

[WildShark]

Hello ionomy,

 The U.S. election is looming over the earth like a giant meteor. So why not have some fun?

ionomy votes starts now!

 Starting today, ionomy will be offering limited edition skins featuring the two candidates for the United States Presidency. Purchase one (or both) and receive a Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump skin to boost your stake rates.

 The skin will apply a boost of 7.5% on top of the base rate of your staker. (a 40% staker will become a 47.5% staker). The WINNER of the election will see their skin boost to a 15% bonus, which means an additional 30% stake rate when electrons are applied!

More PNGs... Gara style!!!!

[suchmoon]

Hello ionomy,

 The U.S. election is looming over the earth like a giant meteor. So why not have some fun?

ionomy votes starts now!

 Starting today, ionomy will be offering limited edition skins featuring the two candidates for the United States Presidency. Purchase one (or both) and receive a Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump skin to boost your stake rates.

 The skin will apply a boost of 7.5% on top of the base rate of your staker. (a 40% staker will become a 47.5% staker). The WINNER of the election will see their skin boost to a 15% bonus, which means an additional 30% stake rate when electrons are applied!

More PNGs... Gara style!!!!

You forgot to mention... BTC only (or some "points", which apparently don't exist yet). The team must be really desperate for cash. "Promotions" every other day.


Edited 2020-11-29 to fix a broken image

Edit: and yes, Shark can't count to three. A prime example of the type of bagholder Garza cultivated and ionomy inherited.

[Rick_James]

Gaming doesn't exist yet - the first game that was supposed to be released in June is currently still in alpha testing.

Only in your world does gaming not exists... I've been playing Gravity for over a month now and the MAJOR features of ION is Masternodes and Gaming...

Neither of these ION features came from XPY!!! and are off-topic in accordance to your thread title...

Garza has nothing to do with the implementation of these major functions and probability doesn't give a shit about ION or Ionomy

I will give you credit that both ION and XPY is a POS coin and that's about the only similarity...

Where can I download Gravity? Your access to an alpha version of the game doesn't invalidate the fact that the game doesn't exist for anyone outside of the small group of large bagholders.

XPY had hyperinflating wallets too, called Prime Controllers. Get your facts straight sharkie.

Edit: you still haven't substantiated your ridiculous claim:

Your list is just some random thoughts/statements that are not true...

Which of my statements are not true?

The fact that you can make up some "features" that are slightly different from XPY doesn't make the other facts false. Garza "had" Amazon and Target and credit cards, ionomy "has" Google and Apple and mobile gaming... same shit, different buzzwords.

So Garzas "buzzwords" were imagination. Ionomys is far from it. I downloaded the game on ios. Just because you cannot download the game does not mean it does not exist. That statement works both ways,im also pretty sure that does invalidate your statement.

Lots of coins have Masternodes running on their chain (Diamond,Dash,and Paycoin) Again why is it only a problem when a coin you dont like implements it? All Proof of stake coins have the same "features" as XPY so proving otherwise would obviously be a waste of time.

[suchmoon]

So Garzas "buzzwords" were imagination. Ionomys is far from it. I downloaded the game on ios. Just because you cannot download the game does not mean it does not exist. That statement works both ways,im also pretty sure that does invalidate your statement.

Lots of coins have Masternodes running on their chain (Diamond,Dash,and Paycoin) Again why is it only a problem when a coin you dont like implements it? All Proof of stake coins have the same "features" as XPY so proving otherwise would obviously be a waste of time.

Yeah right. "Gaming" that can only be used by a small group of bagholders is pointless as an example of "innovation". Not "all proof of stake coins" have hyperinflating "nodes" that do nothing of value but poop out worthless coins.

But that's not even the subject here. Sharkie brought up "masternodes" and "gaming", not me. I listed "features" that are clearly similar to XPY's "features" and equally useless as well. Anything on that subject? Thought so.

[criptix]

This is a joke right?

You literally would need a negative iq to buy into this shit... :3

[o0o0]

So Garzas "buzzwords" were imagination. Ionomys is far from it. I downloaded the game on ios. Just because you cannot download the game does not mean it does not exist. That statement works both ways,im also pretty sure that does invalidate your statement.

Lots of coins have Masternodes running on their chain (Diamond,Dash,and Paycoin) Again why is it only a problem when a coin you dont like implements it? All Proof of stake coins have the same "features" as XPY so proving otherwise would obviously be a waste of time.

Yeah right. "Gaming" that can only be used by a small group of bagholders is pointless as an example of "innovation". Not "all proof of stake coins" have hyperinflating "nodes" that do nothing of value but poop out worthless coins.

But that's not even the subject here. Sharkie brought up "masternodes" and "gaming", not me. I listed "features" that are clearly similar to XPY's "features" and equally useless as well. Anything on that subject? Thought so.

sounds like mentioning diamond when xpy and ion here are the topic right?

seems sharkies advertisement is also off topic... maybe korvas will agree as the rules apply to all dont they?

[kken01]

altheshort: oh yes but how can they compete with google or apple store userbase? if you need to sell 3x more when you put it on ionomy platform it makes no sense at all. any sane dev would rather buy ads / downloads to boost their store rank with less money. unless its standalone and you can sell it separately in stores but im quite sure thats not the case. they need the stores to be fiat processors hence buying electrons with ions will never be allowed (the stores wont get their cut)

standalone would solve the next issue tho:
most people are not tech-savvy and if you ask a random sampling what bitcoin is they would say internet funny money but at least they know the word bitcoin + that it has some value based on something they dont understand. its complex enough already and ionomy adds another layer of complexity: ions (internet), electrons (in-app / website), staker (website). electrons boost stakers which hold ions and generate more ions that you can use at their shop or sell for btc? is this a winning pitch for ~50% of the gamers that fit the 18-35 age range. obviously people need to shell out btc to even begin the process on top of the fiat to get electrons

this is why they will have to have a way to get ions without actually using btc. tadaa leaderboards / tournaments etc are born and everyone not qualifying for the free ions will never take a second look unless they are crypto people to begin with. it all seems very far-fetched to me


another promotion already well as we see its not an issue for the fake company because they can keep draining btc from their loyal followers and stay afloat. at some point you cant get blood from a stone. i was really hoping they were only pumping out xmas png and it would be a stretch to sell new years right after. blows my mind
so whats next: veterans day pngs in few days? then off to thanksgiving and because matlack is a devoutly religious person first sunday of advent

oh and notice that the png has a conditional effect. who wants to bet when the halloween png expires it has some kind of aftereffect as well? maybe those points in the picture. they wont be giving out %apr all the time. skins and other accessory crap sell well in games... but you do see them inside the game


badholders are in for a rough ride

[Lord Of The Internet]

This is a joke right?

You literally would need a negative iq to buy into this shit... :3

i think the target demographic is mentally retarded teenagers ... like wildshark.  the problem is that these retarded teenagers usually don't have any money and probably can't convince their parents about great "investments".

the first thing mommy would say is "that company doesn't even exist".

[o0o0]

This is a joke right?

You literally would need a negative iq to buy into this shit... :3

i think the target demographic is mentally retarded teenagers ... like wildshark.  the problem is that these retarded teenagers usually don't have any money and probably can't convince their parents about great "investments".

the first thing mommy would say is "that company doesn't even exist".

wildsharks actually a full grown man....

parents would check quarterly and yearly company finacial reports right wildshark? i take it you're feeling sheepish on that comment through your lack or reply

[spartak_t]

I think this says it all?

[altheshort]

this is why they will have to have a way to get ions without actually using btc. tadaa leaderboards / tournaments etc are born and everyone not qualifying for the free ions will never take a second look unless they are crypto people to begin with. it all seems very far-fetched to me

Again, totally agree. I can't see non-crypto people being particularly interested in the ecosystem, and in my opinion given the way they've engaged so far with the wider crypto community and the divisions that already exist between cryptos anyway, I can't see there being many crypto folks who will engage either. If they deliver an absolutely cracking game that then somehow goes viral then they might stand a chance of getting things off the ground for a bit, but realistically I just don't think this team can deliver that based on their performance with XPY.io.

[WildShark]

Here's a video of Garza tactics being used in Ionomy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mq07XlsNLg

Garza would be proud!!!

Purchase Lives & Electrons and pickup some Ionomy points today!!!

[Lord Of The Internet]

This is a joke right?

You literally would need a negative iq to buy into this shit... :3

i think the target demographic is mentally retarded teenagers ... like wildshark.  the problem is that these retarded teenagers usually don't have any money and probably can't convince their parents about great "investments".

the first thing mommy would say is "that company doesn't even exist".

wildsharks actually a full grown man....

huwhattttt?     that just blew my mind

does he have down's syndrome?  he's definitely "special" in some sort of way.

[suchmoon]

Here's a video of Garza tactics being used in Ionomy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mq07XlsNLg

Garza would be proud!!!

Purchase Lives & Electrons and pickup some Ionomy points today!!!

... except no one except large bagholders could do that because the game is not even in beta yet. And the only way to spend the "points" is some hashlet "skins". But good job wasting your shilling on a completely pointless (pun intended) "feature".

[cakravothy]

xpy not good coin
xpy dev, is same owner cloud mining zeminer and scam
i think if your promote new coin and branding use xpy coin is not good promote
because xpy branding is not good

[suchmoon]

xpy not good coin
xpy dev, is same owner cloud mining zeminer and scam
i think if your promote new coin and branding use xpy coin is not good promote
because xpy branding is not good

Actually XPY branding is good for ION. It explains very well what ION is and how it works. Anyone familiar with XPY would know right away what the deal is with ION and ionomy. Those who adored Homero and his floor can spend their life savings on ION. Those with a brain can stay away. No lengthy explanation needed, just say "ION is like XPY with differently colored PNGs" and everything falls into place.

[WildShark]

Here's some skins that you should of bought from Ionomy's Presidential Elections PNG sale:



]I'm a big winner of  5,000+ "free" IONs for purchasing my Trump skin and boosting it with Electrons on my 6 month staker from the XPY conversion...

@suchmoon Is it really free coins if I paid BTC for the skin and Atoms to produce the Electron boost???

@CryptoBuds I think I made one Whale of a smart investment/profit...

Garza would be proud!!!

[suchmoon]

Here's some skins that you should of bought from Ionomy's Presidential Elections PNG sale:



]I'm a big winner of  5,000+ "free" IONs for purchasing my Trump skin and boosting it with Electrons on my 6 month staker from the XPY conversion...

@suchmoon Is it really free coins if I paid BTC for the skin and Atoms to produce the Electron boost???

@CryptoBuds I think I made one Whale of a smart investment/profit...

Garza would be proud!!!

WildShark, how much did the "team" pay for the coins that they're giving to you and how much did you pay for your XPY that you converted?

If you could honestly answer those two questions you might get a clue as to how it works.

[WildShark]

Here's some skins that you should of bought from Ionomy's Presidential Elections PNG sale:



]I'm a big winner of  5,000+ "free" IONs for purchasing my Trump skin and boosting it with Electrons on my 6 month staker from the XPY conversion...

@suchmoon Is it really free coins if I paid BTC for the skin and Atoms to produce the Electron boost???

@CryptoBuds I think I made one Whale of a smart investment/profit...

Garza would be proud!!!

WildShark, how much did the "team" pay for the coins that they're giving to you and how much did you pay for your XPY that you converted?

If you could honestly answer those two questions you might get a clue as to how it works.

Josh would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5,000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the Atoms used to boost the investment...

$15K dollars is a nice chunk of "free" money for one pretty PNG...

[suchmoon]

Josh would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the Atoms used to boost the investment...

So much fail in such a short post...

First of all, your staker shows 50% so you are not making 5000 IONs in 6 months from your 10000 ION deposit. Unless the staker rate display is broken, which wouldn't be too surprising given how meticulously the ionomy team tries to replicate Garza's failures.

Second, 1 ION is not $1, assuming you're talking about USD.

And third, you didn't answer the question - how much did the "team" pay for the coins that they're giving to you and how much did you pay for your XPY that you converted? (and for the atoms now that you mentioned them).

I have a feeling you don't want to admit how much you sank into this swamp.

[WildShark]

Josh would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the Atoms used to boost the investment...

So much fail in such a short post...

First of all, your staker shows 50% so you are not making 5000 IONs in 6 months from your 10000 ION deposit. Unless the staker rate display is broken, which wouldn't be too surprising given how meticulously the ionomy team tries to replicate Garza's failures.

Please note that the PNG is being Electron boosted so the rate is twice the 50% at 100% APR... the only thing broken is your analysis of the profit..

Garza would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY Stakers, Atoms & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5,000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION staker investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the 2.4K Atoms (2400 Atoms X 2 dollars = $4,800 dollars) used to boost the investment...

80,000 PayCoin (XPY) at current price of $0.002860 on the blockchain = $228.8 dollars




@Suchmoon $19.8K dollars is a nice chunk of "free" money for one pretty PNG & Atoms that are not on the blockchain...

[suchmoon]

Please note that the PNG is being Electron boosted so the rate is twice the 50% at 100% APR... the only thing broken is your analysis of the profit..

Sure, showing 50% and claiming it actually means 100% is the way ionomy works

Garza would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY Stakers, Atoms & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5,000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION staker investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the 2.4K Atoms (2400 Atoms X 2 dollars = $4,800 dollars) used to boost the investment...

80,000 PayCoin (XPY) at current price of $0.002860 on the blockchain = $228.8 dollars




@Suchmoon $19.8K dollars is a nice chunk of "free" money for one pretty PNG & Atoms that are not on the blockchain...

Ok, I tried. You don't want to answer so it's probably safe to say that you paid far more than $228 for your paycoins and atoms and other assorted shit that the "team" sold to you.

And no, ION is still not $1. What did I tell you about lying? It's not nice. Please do less of it.

[WildShark]

Please note that the PNG is being Electron boosted so the rate is twice the 50% at 100% APR... the only thing broken is your analysis of the profit..

Sure, showing 50% and claiming it actually means 100% is the way ionomy works

Garza would be proud cause I'm making a profit off of XPY Stakers, Atoms & PNGs (5000 IONs X 1 dollar = $5,000 dollars) ... and I get to keep the initial 10K ION staker investment (10000 IONs x 1 dollar = $10,000 dollars) when the staker/skin expires and still own the 2.4K Atoms (2400 Atoms X 2 dollars = $4,800 dollars) used to boost the investment...

80,000 PayCoin (XPY) at current price of $0.002860 on the blockchain = $228.8 dollars




@Suchmoon $19.8K dollars is a nice chunk of "free" money for one pretty PNG & Atoms that are not on the blockchain...

Ok, I tried. You don't want to answer so it's probably safe to say that you paid far more than $228 for your paycoins and atoms and other assorted shit that the "team" sold to you.

And no, ION is still not $1.

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

[suchmoon]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

[WildShark]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

And you haven't figured in that I have had the 10K staker for 6 months and getting 70% APR on it. So that's another 3500 "free" coins I have received for a PNG... brings the total "free" coins to 18,500 IONs...

Note: This doesn't include another 10K of stakers that I'm earning 60% APR or the other 14K stakers I am earning 30 -40% APR on... All this "free" coin from stupid PNGs... lol

Note2: This doesn't include the "free" coins I got from XPYBits conversion that are invested in Shark Masternodes that are earning more "free" coins daily...

I like the BCT troll tactics that it's just a pretty picture made from Garza that is not on the blockchain and therefore has no value... lol  Sure wish it was PayCoin!!!

Garza would be proud of my PNGs and Prime Controllers!!!

[suchmoon]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

And you haven't figured in that I have had the 10K staker for 6 months and getting 70% APR on it. So that's another 3500 "free" coins I have received for a PNG... brings the total "free" coins to 18,500 IONs...

Note: This doesn't include another 10K of stakers that I'm earning 60% APR or the other 14K stakers I am earning 30 -40% APR on... All this "free" coin from stupid PNGs... lol

Note2: This doesn't include the "free" coins I got from XPYBits conversion that are invested in Shark Masternodes that are earning more "free" coins daily...

I like the BCT troll tactics that it's just a pretty picture made from Garza that is not on the blockchain and therefore has no value... lol  Sure wish it was PayCoin!!!

Garza would be proud of my PNGs and Prime Controllers!!!

Still completely meaningless without knowing your cost basis. You have thousands of tokens that likely cost you far more than they're worth, seeing how you're avoiding to answer that simple question.

Horrible "investment" no matter how hard you shill it.

[suchmoon]

As we start a new page lets not forget boki15's post..... suchmoon any comment or can I assume everything boki15 wrote is true...

You can assume all you want. If you can't be bothered to fact-check at least some of the most ridiculous shit and see for yourself if it's true, are you really going to believe anything I say? It probably fits your preconceived notion and you'll take it.

I had a discussion on a similar topic with buckrogers on ionomy slack a couple weeks ago. Even spent 15 minutes typing up a fairly long story for those who are too lazy to look up my old posts and other "proof" themselves. The lesson learned was that ION/ionomy people are not quite the demographic that would care about facts or proof or anything of that sort.

I can't be bothered to read all of boki's hallucinations but a quick skim shows a massive conspiracy theory dating back 3 years or more... all against ION that didn't even exist until ~6 months ago. Sounds totally legit.

I did fact a check..... remember I signed up to BCT sep 29 2013 so I've lived through the timelines boki outlines. The big difference being unlike Garza  I got my jupiters from KNC. Probably it's because I paid them for them upfront and he probably hit them with a ton of bullshit before KNC took his money. 

What bit of Boki's post is the most ridiculous shit you've every seen. If it's rubbish say so

By chance I was on slack when you had this discussion with Buck. My recollection of the conversation was you became a GAW customer because no GAW customer was asking difficult questions and you bought some hashlets because you were doing a mining comparison. This don't make sense unless you had invested a shitload of money otherwise why would Garza give you the time of day and spin you a yarn.

All these months you've been distancing yourself from a GAW relationship, why ? What do you have to hide and why transfer the hate across to ION and why mock other people that were screwed by Garza, i don't understand

Don't twist Boki's post, he's not saying it's a mass conspiracy he's just sharing a timeline with some commentary. Don't agree then challenge him. This is what you would do if the tables were turned plus this is a forum don't agree discuss.

My personnal opinion is your lies are starting to unravel and all your doing now is digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.

First of all, I have wasted enough time with boki to realize that he's a mentally disturbed individual and I want no part in exacerbating his condition. If you want to do that - go ahead, it's on you.

I was never distancing myself from my "GAW relationship", which is that yes, I've bought some stuff from them. Mostly hardware and later some hashlets. You don't want to believe the reasons why I bought hashlets - that's fine. I have no way of changing your opinion so no point in arguing that. Everything is in my post history though. You can find the exact points in time when I bought stuff and how much of it etc. And no, Garza never gave me any consideration as a "customer", actually he threatened me with legal and "sub-legal" action as early as August 2014 and it only escalated since then. Suggesting that I would have invested "a shitload of money" with such a buffoon is just plain absurd.

You're welcome to have your opinion. It's wrong and has nothing to do with ION but then again, none of what paycoiners do made sense to me so - whatever.

[o0o0]

I think you're all forgetting the important thing. Who's going to buy all those generated ions when there is no bittrex, no poloniex and no increasing buyer base.

Coins that generate interest only work well enough when the use base expands faster than the interest rate inflates.

Sharkie if by miracle sold his ions for what price he says (that magical $1 per ion) would commend ion even if it then went to shit and all the others lost $1000 each. Its only a failure if wildshark loses money.

The community is waking up to premined coins and new icos and coins are slowly fading. Its more about the actual utility and using established known continually updated coins.

[WildShark]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

And you haven't figured in that I have had the 10K staker for 6 months and getting 70% APR on it. So that's another 3500 "free" coins I have received for a PNG... brings the total "free" coins to 18,500 IONs...

Note: This doesn't include another 10K of stakers that I'm earning 60% APR or the other 14K stakers I am earning 30 -40% APR on... All this "free" coin from stupid PNGs... lol

Note2: This doesn't include the "free" coins I got from XPYBits conversion that are invested in Shark Masternodes that are earning more "free" coins daily...

I like the BCT troll tactics that it's just a pretty picture made from Garza that is not on the blockchain and therefore has no value... lol  Sure wish it was PayCoin!!!

Garza would be proud of my PNGs and Prime Controllers!!!

Still completely meaningless without knowing your cost basis. You have thousands of tokens that likely cost you far more than they're worth, seeing how you're avoiding to answer that simple question.

Horrible "investment" no matter how hard you shill it.

The success to the ION investment is using Electrons produced by the Atoms you are holding. Smart investors will slowly acquire the off blockchain resource of Atoms... When the Ionomy games are available to the public, you will clearly see how a limited supply of Atoms plays heavily into the investment...

Garza has nothing to do with Atoms or Electrons...

Buy your Atoms today while they are cheap/available at the Ionomy Live Auction @ https://ionomy.com/auction/atoms

[o0o0]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

And you haven't figured in that I have had the 10K staker for 6 months and getting 70% APR on it. So that's another 3500 "free" coins I have received for a PNG... brings the total "free" coins to 18,500 IONs...

Note: This doesn't include another 10K of stakers that I'm earning 60% APR or the other 14K stakers I am earning 30 -40% APR on... All this "free" coin from stupid PNGs... lol

Note2: This doesn't include the "free" coins I got from XPYBits conversion that are invested in Shark Masternodes that are earning more "free" coins daily...

I like the BCT troll tactics that it's just a pretty picture made from Garza that is not on the blockchain and therefore has no value... lol  Sure wish it was PayCoin!!!

Garza would be proud of my PNGs and Prime Controllers!!!

Still completely meaningless without knowing your cost basis. You have thousands of tokens that likely cost you far more than they're worth, seeing how you're avoiding to answer that simple question.

Horrible "investment" no matter how hard you shill it.

The success to the ION investment is using Electrons produced by the Atoms you are holding. Smart investors will slowly acquire the off blockchain resource of Atoms... When the Ionomy games are available to the public, you will clearly see how a limited supply of Atoms plays heavily into the investment...

Garza has nothing to do with Atoms or Electrons...

Buy your Atoms today while they are cheap/available at the Ionomy Live Auction @ https://ionomy.com/auction/atoms

you also said that any sane investor would read quarterly and yearly financials of companies. how should anyone take your comments seriously when you wont comment on that comment of yours?

[suchmoon]

The success to the ION investment is using Electrons produced by the Atoms you are holding. Smart investors will slowly acquire the off blockchain resource of Atoms... When the Ionomy games are available to the public, you will clearly see how a limited supply of Atoms plays heavily into the investment...

Garza has nothing to do with Atoms or Electrons...

Buy your Atoms today while they are cheap/available at the Ionomy Live Auction @ https://ionomy.com/auction/atoms

This is where a "smart investor" would provide some math to substantiate the statements but of course it's all bullshit like your "1 ION == $1" thing, so you won't.

Garza had red rockets, boosts, hashpoints, and other crap, so again - you're lying too much sharkie. Please try to ease up, maybe at least towards the end of the day. You've done plenty of lying today already. Leave some for tomorrow.

[CryptoBuds]

If we were using PayCoin economics like Garza did, it would be $20 dollars a coin and the value would be 304.8K dollars for one stupid PNG....

JOSH WOULD BE VERY PROUD...

Yet you're claiming one stupid PNG is worth nearly $20k while the actual value is closer to ~$1k.

So how about we use BTC or USD "economics". Still not willing to say how much BTC or USD you put into those PNGs?

Even at the time of the ICO 80k XPY would have been ~$1600 and I bet you paid far more than $0.02 per XPY, not to mention XPYBits aka Atoms and all the other PNGs. If not for your egregious shilling I could almost feel sorry for you.

And you haven't figured in that I have had the 10K staker for 6 months and getting 70% APR on it. So that's another 3500 "free" coins I have received for a PNG... brings the total "free" coins to 18,500 IONs...

Note: This doesn't include another 10K of stakers that I'm earning 60% APR or the other 14K stakers I am earning 30 -40% APR on... All this "free" coin from stupid PNGs... lol

Note2: This doesn't include the "free" coins I got from XPYBits conversion that are invested in Shark Masternodes that are earning more "free" coins daily...

I like the BCT troll tactics that it's just a pretty picture made from Garza that is not on the blockchain and therefore has no value... lol  Sure wish it was PayCoin!!!

Garza would be proud of my PNGs and Prime Controllers!!!

Still completely meaningless without knowing your cost basis. You have thousands of tokens that likely cost you far more than they're worth, seeing how you're avoiding to answer that simple question.

Horrible "investment" no matter how hard you shill it.

The success to the ION investment is using Electrons produced by the Atoms you are holding. Smart investors will slowly acquire the off blockchain resource of Atoms... When the Ionomy games are available to the public, you will clearly see how a limited supply of Atoms plays heavily into the investment...

Garza has nothing to do with Atoms or Electrons...

Buy your Atoms today while they are cheap/available at the Ionomy Live Auction @ https://ionomy.com/auction/atoms

Why the coin then?

[Spoetnik]

Agreed sounds like a big ole fat load of scammy bullshit to me.
..it should be popular then 

[kken01]

Agreed sounds like a big ole fat load of scammy bullshit to me.
..it should be popular then  

so true. there are more than enough people who are ready to drop btc into 100% scams if there is a slight chance of winning money (then fast exit). who the hell cares if the money is coming from new victims, right? sad state of affairs



im bad with faces. does this look like the same person just younger? left and right are confirmed to be the exact same person


left pic is from matlacks ion/paycoin hangout and the right pic is from his clearpoint church

[suchmoon]

Sharkie, please stop crossposting your crap. Post once in whichever thread is more suitable.

I'd say that your shilling for atoms is pointless in this thread or even in this forum but it's up to you how you choose to waste your time.

[altheshort]

im bad with faces. does this look like the same person just younger? left and right are confirmed to be the exact same person


left pic is from matlacks ion/paycoin hangout and the right pic is from his clearpoint church

Thanks for dredging that up! You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I don't think that centre pic is the same person as left and right. Thanks anyway again.

[kken01]

im having doubts as well. the information was not contested back then but if you look at it with fresh eyes it just doesnt match that well. at this point its safe to assume they just lived in the same state and that other guy has blue eyes

here is an interesting post i totally forgot about grav

This article mentions a "Mark Gravina" as the founder of Ionomy. Has this name been mentioned up until this point? I don't recognize it.

https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-gaming-ionomy-full-crypto/

So this dude, presumably?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-957102

And this Gravina dude has a Singapore address associated with several other domain names. And of course he's from Boston, so he's probably a pal of Homero's and that's how he got mixed up in this scheme.

Here's his email in case anyone wants to drop him a line directly with the litany of unanswered questions about this "project".

mrkgrav@gmail.com

[suchmoon]

Ionomy privacy policy and parts of TOS (specifically "tokens are not money or investment securities" etc) sound very similar to Neucoin's:

Neucoin privacy policy: https://web.archive.org/web/20161113062032/https://www.myneucoin.com/en/privacypolicy
Ionomy privacy policy: http://archive.is/iwdjM

Neucoin TOS: http://archive.is/FXQCW#selection-369.4-369.228
Ionomy TOS: http://archive.is/IxsVs#selection-849.0-851.216

Not sure if there is any relation or just simple plagiarism.

[Spoetnik]

No idea why the pictures are being talked about on this topic..
But i would bet no.. all 3 are likely different people is my guess.
I think the eyebrows between pic 1 and 2 are very different.

[altheshort]

im having doubts as well. the information was not contested back then but if you look at it with fresh eyes it just doesnt match that well. at this point its safe to assume they just lived in the same state and that other guy has blue eyes

here is an interesting post i totally forgot about grav

This article mentions a "Mark Gravina" as the founder of Ionomy. Has this name been mentioned up until this point? I don't recognize it.

https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-gaming-ionomy-full-crypto/

So this dude, presumably?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-957102

And this Gravina dude has a Singapore address associated with several other domain names. And of course he's from Boston, so he's probably a pal of Homero's and that's how he got mixed up in this scheme.

Here's his email in case anyone wants to drop him a line directly with the litany of unanswered questions about this "project".

mrkgrav@gmail.com

There's a different Gravina on LinkedIn listed as being in Singapore as an accountant. That seems a more likely candidate if any, surely? Honestly the Boston link above seems like a big leap and an attempt to somehow tie this guy to Garza, which is a bit unfair.

[kken01]

garza thing is probably a joke from ladrx

do you mean this profile? https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-274633ab

this is from the press release:

Ionomy founder, Mark Gravina, said about the Stakers product:

im quite sure ive seen this person in one of the paycoin hangouts https://www.facebook.com/mark.gravina he seems to be in australia tho


found matlack in his friends list


The Managing Member of 3RE, LLC is Kenneth Rogers. . Kenneth has other corporate interests including Paycoin Foundation, Inc.
also in his list


funnily enough 3RE llc which matlack is the CEO of has hired all the ion people: krumz, ceforce, sleak, jason. according to their linkedin pages

[altheshort]

garza thing is probably a joke from ladrx

do you mean this profile? https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-274633ab

this is from the press release:

Ionomy founder, Mark Gravina, said about the Stakers product:

im quite sure ive seen this person in one of the paycoin hangouts https://www.facebook.com/mark.gravina he seems to be in australia tho


found matlack in his friends list


The Managing Member of 3RE, LLC is Kenneth Rogers. . Kenneth has other corporate interests including Paycoin Foundation, Inc.
also in his list


funnily enough 3RE llc which matlack is the CEO of has hired all the ion people: krumz, ceforce, sleak, jason. according to their linkedin pages

I'll give ladrx the benefit of the doubt for that comment, but it's worth remembering that this is exactly the kind of thing that the ionites love to criticise bitcointalk for -- the constant (alleged) obsession with trying to link ion back to Garza. It seems redundant to be continually flogging what seems to be a very dead horse when there are far more legitimate avenues of questioning clearly available.

The 3RE thing is interesting, but (and I'm playing devils advocate here) I'm unclear of its relevance to ion other than that it shows that most of the main Ion 'team' are 'working' formally together.

[suchmoon]

The 3RE thing is interesting, but (and I'm playing devils advocate here) I'm unclear of its relevance to ion other than that it shows that most of the main Ion 'team' are 'working' formally together.

It looks like 3RE is the actual "team" instead of the fake "Ionomy PTE". Matlack said he has 5-10 full-time employees in the ionomy team. ceforce confirmed on slack that he speaks for the team and the only job he lists on LinkedIn is "Chief Communications Officer 3re Technologies LLC" so it stands to reason that 3RE is the ionomy team.

[WildShark]

Buy IONs using Alt. coins or Mine your Alt. coin directly to Ionomy wallet and get IONs!!!

https://ionomy.com/buy/ion

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The buying part I get.

How do you mine an alt coin using the Ionomy wallet?

Set your payout addy for the mining to the corresponding coin address generated on your Ionomy account.

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One of the good programs to mine alt. coins with is Minergate
https://minergate.com/downloads/gui

Does this only accept the respective alt coin to convert to ION or is each alt an actual wallet that can provide outgoing transactions and well as accept them?

It is only a deposit wallet used for converting to IONs for each of the supported coin types

What exchange are they using for the exchange rate?

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or you can use suchmoon's unbiased "right" answer cause the "team" is not transparent:

Where are those IONs coming from? Sharkie still pretending no to be concerned at all that the "team" is dumping the premine in increasingly elaborate ways?

My apologies, let me rephrase my question. First off, I never mentioned or brought up suchmoon in this dialogue, so please don't drag him in as an argument aid. Anyway, what I really meant was what exchange is being used to give the alt coins their value? Why is 1 ETH worth 80 ION? Where did that value for ETH come from? That's what I meant initially, could have worded it better. My apologies again.

The value of the alt coin is determined from shapeshift. The value for the ION is determined by above procedure described by Huey...

i see shapeshift also adjust the min amount too

@suchmoon Your proof for your question can be "notice the small buy orders in the Ionomy exchange that have been appearing since yesterday". When the email goes out, the process will be explained. This buy support will build and over time it could be a significant dampener on potential future dumps on the Ionomy exchange...

Isn't this just a way they can dump their endless ION supply for currencies that they can convert into btc then cash out, can't believe anyone is stupid enough to think this is a good thing

The smart person would see that this is a service provided by Ionomy to put "buy pressure" on the exchange for ION... This also is another option to crypto users to convert their alt coin to IONs without the bothers of using a "direct" exchange...

What happens if there isn't enough ION coins for sale on the internal exchange? Does the transfer get put in hold until those coins become available? Or do those coins come from some other source?

i'm guessing that Ionomy has a pool of IONs that they are using to fill the order immediately and the buy order sits on the exchange... I will get a "real" answer when Huey wakes up...

Now the question is: where did that pool of IONs come from? If the IONs are coming from the "team", then this just got real shady as the "team" controls the premine.

I got to laugh at this one and say the pool comes from your account so this Ionomy service is NOT shady!!!

Why are you laughing? Seriously, where will this pool of IONs come from? If they are not enough on the exchange, where do the extra come from?

I thought it was a good laugh saying the pool would be created from Cryptobuds account and theirfore it wouldn't be shady. Don't you remember that Cryptobuds bought enough IONs to run a Masternode??? and would gladly use them to prime the ION purchasing pool... lol

The "real" answer is there is a pool of IONs being maintained by Ionomy (ION purchasing pool), that are being used to "buy the IONs" for instant transaction. The bid is placed on the Ionomy market and when that trade occurs, the IONs are added back into the pool to replenish it for consecutive ION purchases...

The email from Ionomy describing the new "ION Buy" service will be out soom!!!

Garza would be proud to implement this new coin service if PayCoin was still around!!!

[suchmoon]

Shark, have you fucking gone completely mad? Feel free to shill but stop wall-quoting yourself. Some people have better things to do than scroll through your shit.

[lowbander80]

Always wondered what happened to the Bitcoin mining,did it just stop completely?

[Franz_Huber]

Always wondered what happened to the Bitcoin mining,did it just stop completely?

Do you mean the never obsolete Hashlets? PNGs are still there! http://bit.ly/2gTSuDA

[lowbander80]

no Ionomy allowed you to buy hash to mine Bitcoin but after a few months it disappeared I think

[suchmoon]

no Ionomy allowed you to buy hash to mine Bitcoin but after a few months it disappeared I think

I think they used Genesis Mining or some other shitty place like that.

At least that was the case with xpy.io, not sure if the same stupidity carried over to ionomy since the old forums are down and slack doesn't archive.

Here is a bit of a discussion on the subject:

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/xpy-paycoin-teamxpy-xpy-io-linked-to-teamion-and-ionomy/1559/4119

[CryptoBuds]

no Ionomy allowed you to buy hash to mine Bitcoin but after a few months it disappeared I think

I think they used Genesis Mining or some other shitty place like that.

At least that was the case with xpy.io, not sure if the same stupidity carried over to ionomy since the old forums are down and slack doesn't archive.

Here is a bit of a discussion on the subject:

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/xpy-paycoin-teamxpy-xpy-io-linked-to-teamion-and-ionomy/1559/4119

The fucked up Genesis twice. 1st fuck up was thinking they were a good mining operation to run with. All you had to do was do a bit of research and they would have discovered that Genesis Mining was the worst possible mining solution, next to LTCgear and scrypt.cc. And those idiots still sang its praises. 2nd fuck up was the actual genesis block of their never before seen, game changing crypto coin. Which the Ionites still can't explain its purpose after being on the market for 9+ months.

[lowbander80]

I had over 5 THs Sha 256 you think it would have created a small bit of Bitcoin but when I asked they said no they only get a small drop every so often,well I have seen none in 6 months

[sv.alyona]

Rumble Arena Partnership - ION Tournaments in Multiplayer Fighting Game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGLvPkL5kjo

ionomy is excited to announce a partnership with Rekall Games, creators of the popular game, Rumble Arena. Rumble Arena is being redesigned from the ground up to include multiplayer and tournaments with rewards being payed out through the Lightning PWR-GRD service.  The redesigned Rumble Arena is expected to debut this summer and offer ion prizes in game and cross platform.  This is the first third party game ionomy has partnered with to bring PWR-GRD services and the power of the ion blockchain to more gamers.

[suchmoon]

Time to refresh this. Here is what happened in the last ~2 years.

• ionomy released a clunky iOS/Android game called Gravity, which had ~40 players with top 10 getting paid ION prizes
• eventually Gravity leaderboard was exploited and the game was removed
• there is a new game called To the Moon or Bust, which has 20-ish players with top 10 getting paid ION prizes
• the coin went through several hardforks, mostly because of bugs, such as a difficulty adjustment exploit
• ION price has gone down to ~15k sat (from 45-55k sat ICO price range)
• ionomy moved through a few forum sites and chat sites, and still has a couple of shills here on Bitcointalk