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December 12, 2016, 11:08:40 PM
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Article in smithandcrown.com about if you should (or not) invest in Chronobank:

https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/

What do you think about their guesstimates?

Best,

My second impression: Price/Earning Ratios are almost impossible to estimate for Chronobank. We can't predict the TIME token price after the ICO so we are not able to estimate the Chronobank capitalization even one month after the ICO. We can try to estimate the total funds raised in ICO but it won't actually be the Chronobank capitalization. It will depend on the TIME token market price.

Good comments SpacemanOne.

We ended up using a PE Ratio for a couple reasons. First, so we (and readers) could get access to benchmarks and comparisons in the broader market. Second, just modeling the stream of potential payments didn't seem sufficient, because it seemed to imply that it was only worth it if the stream of payments summed up to the initial investment. We had a similar approach with ICONOMI that was helpful as a framework. CoinFund had an excellent analysis of REP tokens that valued them as an annuity, but the majority of feedback was that they should have used P/E ratios.

You're right that we can't predict the TIME trade value at a future point in time. Since we can't predict the future price and since ChronoBank isn't giving out earnings now, we decided to use the price at the crowdsale and the potential earnings to capture a similar idea: how much am I willing to pay for the opportunity to get a payment in the future. The two values aren't exactly the same, and thanks to your comment, we added some language to that effect. If there's anything you'd suggest adding to further clarify, let me know. (also, you're right that the value shouldn't have been $8.25 - we lowered it to $6.82 under the assumption that the average bonus for crowdsale participants would be 10%)

You made a good point earlier about whether correlating the amount raised and the amount of LHT issued was necessary. It also seemed like raising more funds would make the project more likely to succeed in securing users and issuing more LHT. We definitely discussed having 9 scenarios but that seemed like overkill. If you want to take on the task though, we could include your work.
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December 12, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
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How will be released tokens (LH) as currency if even bitcoin didn't have stable legal worldwide description?

Our world is just trying to find the best way to regulate bitcoin. Bitcoin is treated differently in different jurisdictions. If you mean if LH tokens be legal, then yes, they will be legal. Chronobank team will launch LHAU first, Australian laws allow to pay for work in crypto tokens. Chronobank legal team will work with each jurisdiction individually to make sure everything is fine with regulation.
LH tokens are a bit different from bitcoin by their nature. LH tokens are backed with something that has a value in a real world. It means LH tokens can be regulated in a different way that bitcoin. It depends on the authorities understanding.
Earlier or later authorities will understand the advantages of the crypto-friendly laws. The jurisdictions with better crypto laws will have additional economic growth.
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December 12, 2016, 11:30:53 PM
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How will be released tokens (LH) as currency if even bitcoin didn't have stable legal worldwide description?

Our world is just trying to find the best way to regulate bitcoin. Bitcoin is treated differently in different jurisdictions. If you mean if LH tokens be legal, then yes, they will be legal. Chronobank team will launch LHAU first, Australian laws allow to pay for work in crypto tokens. Chronobank legal team will work with each jurisdiction individually to make sure everything is fine with regulation.
LH tokens are a bit different from bitcoin by their nature. LH tokens are backed with something that has a value in a real world. It means LH tokens can be regulated in a different way that bitcoin. It depends on the authorities understanding.
Earlier or later authorities will understand the advantages of the crypto-friendly laws. The jurisdictions with better crypto laws will have additional economic growth.
Thanks for fast answer.And  Do you have plan ( in future) to launch Labour-Hour in Russia, if russian government accept law about cryptocurrencies ?

EDIT: I am always interesting in projects that have  connections with real economy/ life
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December 13, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
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Article in smithandcrown.com about if you should (or not) invest in Chronobank:

https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/

What do you think about their guesstimates?

Best,

My second impression: Price/Earning Ratios are almost impossible to estimate for Chronobank. We can't predict the TIME token price after the ICO so we are not able to estimate the Chronobank capitalization even one month after the ICO. We can try to estimate the total funds raised in ICO but it won't actually be the Chronobank capitalization. It will depend on the TIME token market price.

Good comments SpacemanOne.

We ended up using a PE Ratio for a couple reasons. First, so we (and readers) could get access to benchmarks and comparisons in the broader market. Second, just modeling the stream of potential payments didn't seem sufficient, because it seemed to imply that it was only worth it if the stream of payments summed up to the initial investment. We had a similar approach with ICONOMI that was helpful as a framework. CoinFund had an excellent analysis of REP tokens that valued them as an annuity, but the majority of feedback was that they should have used P/E ratios.

You're right that we can't predict the TIME trade value at a future point in time. Since we can't predict the future price and since ChronoBank isn't giving out earnings now, we decided to use the price at the crowdsale and the potential earnings to capture a similar idea: how much am I willing to pay for the opportunity to get a payment in the future. The two values aren't exactly the same, and thanks to your comment, we added some language to that effect. If there's anything you'd suggest adding to further clarify, let me know. (also, you're right that the value shouldn't have been $8.25 - we lowered it to $6.82 under the assumption that the average bonus for crowdsale participants would be 10%)

You made a good point earlier about whether correlating the amount raised and the amount of LHT issued was necessary. It also seemed like raising more funds would make the project more likely to succeed in securing users and issuing more LHT. We definitely discussed having 9 scenarios but that seemed like overkill. If you want to take on the task though, we could include your work.

Your opinion is valuable for me, thanks. PE Ratio may be convenient for comparison, in the end it's a matter of taste.
However it should be also mentioned the TIME tokens price can be higher in future that can increase the investors gain in a certain sense. An investor can sell some of his TIME tokens (for a price of lowering his further yearly income in %) and receive a significant sum immediately (something like receiving future profits right now). This effect is not lost in PE ratio but it's like hidden and not so evident.
I also have a comment on the Low scenario. I had a conversation with Chronobank team and asked a question about the expected LHT market cap in the first year. Their lower estimation is AUD 40 mln and the top is AUD 120 mln. The lower estimation is based on their current agreements. I've included the above numbers in my recent post about Chronobank, the link is in my signature (the lower one).
Maybe it's worth taking into account these numbers in your work. Your estimations are based on Chronobank's data too, I don't think the research will become less objective.
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December 13, 2016, 12:27:37 AM
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How will be released tokens (LH) as currency if even bitcoin didn't have stable legal worldwide description?

Our world is just trying to find the best way to regulate bitcoin. Bitcoin is treated differently in different jurisdictions. If you mean if LH tokens be legal, then yes, they will be legal. Chronobank team will launch LHAU first, Australian laws allow to pay for work in crypto tokens. Chronobank legal team will work with each jurisdiction individually to make sure everything is fine with regulation.
LH tokens are a bit different from bitcoin by their nature. LH tokens are backed with something that has a value in a real world. It means LH tokens can be regulated in a different way that bitcoin. It depends on the authorities understanding.
Earlier or later authorities will understand the advantages of the crypto-friendly laws. The jurisdictions with better crypto laws will have additional economic growth.
Thanks for fast answer.And  Do you have plan ( in future) to launch Labour-Hour in Russia, if russian government accept law about cryptocurrencies ?

EDIT: I am always interesting in projects that have  connections with real economy/ life

I am not Chronobank official representative, I think they have more information on your question. I'm just interested in the projects like this. It took a long time to research and understand the project better but it's worth it.
In future TIME token holders will be able to vote for important Chronobank decisions. Maybe the one we are talking about will be voted too (LH issuance for Russia).

The projects connected to the real economy are stimulating faster blockchain technologies adoption in the traditional economy. They can change life for better for many people. That's why I like them too.
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December 13, 2016, 01:49:16 AM
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ICO is incoming, ready to invest it, will be the last and best project in 2016

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December 13, 2016, 02:10:32 AM
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ICO is incoming, ready to invest it, will be the last and best project in 2016

Not the last project of 2016, but the best is for you to decide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1713020.0
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December 13, 2016, 03:36:42 AM
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Please ban user Mefestofel_Mefis in your signature campaign. Reason: off topic, trolling.

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December 13, 2016, 03:42:34 AM
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Please ban user Mefestofel_Mefis in your signature campaign. Reason: off topic, trolling.

Thank you for the heads up, I will pass this along to the team ASAP.

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December 13, 2016, 05:28:21 AM
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For the ICO it says that 1 BTC = 100 TIME, but it doesn't say if there is a max supply of TIME or a max level of BTC investment for the ICO? Does that mean, in theory, there is unlimited supply?
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December 13, 2016, 05:56:42 AM
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ICO is incoming, ready to invest it, will be the last and best project in 2016
Just watch it for several days later, analyzing the first hype for the crowdsale.
I'm not rushing it. But just provided some amount for invest.  Cool

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December 13, 2016, 07:39:24 AM
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For the ICO it says that 1 BTC = 100 TIME, but it doesn't say if there is a max supply of TIME or a max level of BTC investment for the ICO? Does that mean, in theory, there is unlimited supply?

In theory, the supply is limited only by the amount of funding raised during the crowdsale.

We have development plan scenarios in case we raise: 500-2k btc, 2k-10k btc or 10k-20k btc: https://chronobank.io/files/dev_plan.pdf
All btcs over 20k will be transferred to security/guarantee fund in order to preserve the overall stability.

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December 13, 2016, 09:05:31 AM
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Where does this Chronobank request for funds fit in with ASIC requirements?

http://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/fundraising/raising-funds-in-australia/

Have you asked ASIC about this? Do you have an AFSL?

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When can you raise funds without a disclosure document?

In certain circumstances, you may not need to comply with the requirement to provide a disclosure document when fundraising. It is important that you get legal advice about whether this could apply to you. A general summary of these circumstances is provided here. For more information see Regulatory Guide 254 Offering securities under a disclosure document (RG 254).

In summary, a disclosure document is not required when:

an offer is a personal offer, and if:
offers or invitations have been made to fewer than 20 persons in the previous 12 months, and
the new offer will not result in more than $2 million being raised in that 12 months
(see sections 708(1)–(7));

Note: You must not advertise the offer when you rely on this exemption

the offers are made to specified people who are presumed not to need disclosure because of their financial capacity, experience, association
with the issuer or wholesale status (see sections 708 (8 )–(12));
the offers are made to current holders of the securities (see sections 708(13)–(14A));
no money or other form of payment is payable for the securities (see sections 708 (15)–(16));
other disclosure regimes under the Corporations Act apply (that is  schemes of arrangement and takeovers) (see sections 708(17) and (18));
the offers are made to creditors under a deed of company arrangement, if certain conditions are met (see section 708(17A));
the offer of debentures is made by certain types of financial institutions (see section 708(19)).

http://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/fundraising/raising-funds-in-australia/
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December 13, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
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hi guys, have couple of questions. is there will be cap in signature campaign or number of participants are not limited?
and how much is minimum for ico to be succesful and is there is a maximum?
thanks for answers, sorry if there already been that kind of questions  Smiley marry xmas



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December 13, 2016, 09:31:46 AM
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merry christmas too, but i can't answered your questions because i am newbie
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December 13, 2016, 09:37:10 AM
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Where does this Chronobank request for funds fit in with ASIC requirements?

Have you asked ASIC about this? Do you have an AFSL?

We do not offer securities.

TIME tokens are a software product.

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December 13, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
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Where does this Chronobank request for funds fit in with ASIC requirements?

http://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/fundraising/raising-funds-in-australia/

Have you asked ASIC about this? Do you have an AFSL?

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When can you raise funds without a disclosure document?

In certain circumstances, you may not need to comply with the requirement to provide a disclosure document when fundraising. It is important that you get legal advice about whether this could apply to you. A general summary of these circumstances is provided here. For more information see Regulatory Guide 254 Offering securities under a disclosure document (RG 254).

In summary, a disclosure document is not required when:

an offer is a personal offer, and if:
offers or invitations have been made to fewer than 20 persons in the previous 12 months, and
the new offer will not result in more than $2 million being raised in that 12 months
(see sections 708(1)–(7));

Note: You must not advertise the offer when you rely on this exemption

the offers are made to specified people who are presumed not to need disclosure because of their financial capacity, experience, association
with the issuer or wholesale status (see sections 708 (8 )–(12));
the offers are made to current holders of the securities (see sections 708(13)–(14A));
no money or other form of payment is payable for the securities (see sections 708 (15)–(16));
other disclosure regimes under the Corporations Act apply (that is  schemes of arrangement and takeovers) (see sections 708(17) and (18));
the offers are made to creditors under a deed of company arrangement, if certain conditions are met (see section 708(17A));
the offer of debentures is made by certain types of financial institutions (see section 708(19)).

http://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/fundraising/raising-funds-in-australia/


Hey! Transferred your question to the team.

hi guys, have couple of questions. is there will be cap in signature campaign or number of participants are not limited?
and how much is minimum for ico to be succesful and is there is a maximum?
thanks for answers, sorry if there already been that kind of questions  Smiley marry xmas

Hey! There's no limit in number of people, the whole rewards will be equal 0.3% of all TIME, but no less than 2000 TIME as seen in:


Signature & avatar campaign

We're happy to announce that you can now earn TIME tokens by participating into our Signature & avatar campaign!



Terms:

1) The whole bounty pool of 0.3% will be divided among the participants proportionally to the amount of their stakes. Minimal size of the bounty pool is 2000 TIME (equivalent of 20 BTC)
2) The stakes will be distributed weekly in the following ratio:

Legendary/Hero : 2 Stakes
Sr./Full : 1.5 stakes
Member: 1 Stake
Jr. Member: 0.5 Stake


3) Users wearing the official avatar will be eligible for a 0.5 stake increase in their weekly stakes.
4) The stakes will be distributed weekly to the participants
5) Users are not allowed to change their signature in the middle of the campaign
6) All members need to post at least 50 posts wearing the signature by the time the ICO ends to be eligible for a reward.
7) Spam is strictly prohibited. Users found spamming will be immediately and permanently disqualified, reported to the moderators, and banned from any other bounty campaign.



Minimum is 500 BTC, but there's artificial max cap.

In theory, the supply is limited only by the amount of funding raised during the crowdsale.

We have development plan scenarios in case we raise: 500-2k btc, 2k-10k btc or 10k-20k btc: https://chronobank.io/files/dev_plan.pdf
All btcs over 20k will be transferred to security/guarantee fund in order to preserve the overall stability.


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December 13, 2016, 09:50:37 AM
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hi, i know that im not eligeble for a now to participate in signature campaign, but maybe in future, so wanna ask question, do the current participants start to receive stakes in signature campaign when ico begins or already starting when thay joined the campaign?

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December 13, 2016, 10:38:45 AM
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Hello, you need to write in the British branch, or may be messages in other branches?

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