[Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion]

[Lauda]

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Your calculation shows a 5 vote difference, while sheets show a 3 vote difference. I don't think that you've factored in that some votes may or may not have been invalidated by achow. I will double check them later.

I saw many members are posting one vote. and i think it is better those votes are not counted or not valid..

The rule is in effect only after it has been posted. This means that existing votes that are singular are fine.

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[bitkilo]

I hadn't seen this thread till now but i would have voted gleb in, it would be just like Trump winning the US election 

[deisik]

I Think it is better to restart the votes because some voters there are not following the guidelines and now changing the votes into 2 votes..
I saw many members are posting one vote.
and i think it is better those votes are not counted or not valid..

It would be better to lock this as well as the other thread and stop this whole shebang since it does more harm than good. As I and others have pointed out already these so-called elections have nothing to do with choosing a moderator based entirely on their qualification and skills, as it should be. But that is not my point. If the winner of this contest won't be the one who theymos himself ultimately decides to appoint as a new global moderator, it would make him feel and look as if he had to discard or neglect the choice of the forum members. On the other hand, the outcome of this "contest" itself could negatively affect the impartiality of his own choice...

I'm curious whether whoever is behind this idea understands that, or was that their real intention?

[Foxpup]

Your calculation shows a 5 vote difference, while sheets show a 3 vote difference. I don't think that you've factored in that some votes may or may not have been invalidated by achow. I will double check them later.

Checking. There are currently only 105 votes instead of 107, and there were definitely 107 votes on the spreadsheet when I posted (I do some checking). I counted a vote for Mitchell from redsn0w since he was allowed to change it. I remember this distinctly because it caused me a great deal of confusion when I didn't notice it was changed and my results were off by one vote. That vote is no longer on the spreadsheet, and there's no explanation of where it went, as there was the previous times votes were deleted. Another vote has vanished, and I'm still trying to determine whose, though it must have been a vote for Mitchell (after preferences) since I checked my results when I posted and they matched the spreadsheet at the time. EDIT: After manually recounting all the votes, I've discovered that Docnaster's vote has vanished, and, although unrelated to original discrepancy, the post with Seansky's vote has been deleted from the thread, though his vote remains on the spreadsheet.

I hope achow101 can shed some light on this troubling development.

[Lauda]

I counted a vote for Mitchell from redsn0w since he was allowed to change it.

I do not think he was allowed to change it though. Nobody is allowed to change their vote excluding people that have voted prior to the addition to Hostfat, thus redsn0w's vote is now invalid if I'm correct.

I remember this distinctly because it caused me a great deal of confusion when I didn't notice it was changed and my results were off by one vote. That vote is no longer on the spreadsheet, and there's no explanation of where it went, as there was the previous times votes were deleted. Another vote has vanished, and I'm still trying to determine whose, though it must have been a vote for Mitchell (after preferences) since I checked my results when I posted and they matched the spreadsheet at the time.

I hope achow101 can shed some light on this troubling development.

I'll double check every existing vote from the thread, just hold up until I clear up some backlog. Maybe someone deleted theirs, since you are technically allowed to delete your vote but any follow up vote would be invalid.

[Foxpup]

EDIT: After manually recounting all the votes, I've discovered that Docnaster's vote has vanished,

Wait, that can't be right. Docnaster's vote isn't in my list of mprep preference flows. Neither of us were counting it in the first place. (Oops. ) Looking at the raw numbers, I see I have an extra primary vote for Mitchell that isn't on the spreadsheet (but it definitely was, because the numbers used to match). And I wasn't keeping track of the primary votes since I was relying on the spreadsheet for that. It must have been deleted from both the thread and the spreadsheet.

[Lauda]

Wait, that can't be right. Docnaster's vote isn't in my list of mprep preference flows. Neither of us were counting it in the first place. (Oops. ) Looking at the raw numbers, I see I have an extra primary vote for Mitchell that isn't on the spreadsheet (but it definitely was, because the numbers used to match). And I wasn't keeping track of the primary votes since I was relying on the spreadsheet for that. It must have been deleted from both the thread and the spreadsheet.

IMO deleting it from the spreadsheet is wrong. As long as votes get changed/removed they should be kept there with a comment (and obviously invalidated if appropriate). From my own findings, the following votes are invalid and can not be found in the voting sheet:
wazzap (negative rating)
Gunthar (electioneering?)
Docnaster (Unknown?)
Quickseller(negative rating)

This votes are present in the sheet but have been deleted (no post exists):

Yuuto   - Achow, Mitchell, Dabs
Seansky - Dabs, Achow, Mitchell

[Foxpup]

IMO deleting it from the spreadsheet is wrong. As long as votes get changed/removed they should be kept there with a comment (and obviously invalidated if appropriate).

Yes, and that used to be case, but it isn't now.

From my own findings, the following votes are invalid and can not be found in the voting sheet:
wazzap (negative rating)
Gunthar (electioneering?)
Docnaster (Unknown?)
Quickseller(negative rating)

Don't forget vindicare (electioneering).

This votes are present in the sheet but have been deleted (no post exists):

Yuuto   - Achow, Mitchell, Dabs
Seansky - Dabs, Achow, Mitchell

I could have sworn I saw Yuuto's post earlier. But it's gone now. What the Hell's going on here?

[Lauda]

Yes, and that used to be case, but it isn't now.

[1] I have updated the sheets and added everyone back with reasoning for vote invalidation. I'll wait for Achow to double-check.

I could have sworn I saw Yuuto's post earlier. But it's gone now. What the Hell's going on here?

No idea. Some people wanted to delete their votes
Updated post.

[achow101]

Foxpup, Lauda here is what happened.

I removed redsn0w, he was on there twice. Apparently he voted twice, so both were removed. He did edit his vote, and I let that slide since he only added someone to his vote and that was before I said that the multiple vote rule was not retroactive. However it was brought to my attention that he had deleted his original vote and voted again, so he was removed.

You can check the edit history of the spreadsheet.

[deisik]

No idea. Some people wanted to delete their votes

Because it cuts both ways

As I said above, theymos appointing someone as a new global moderator who is not proclaimed as such by the mob would be effectively neglecting the choice of the forum members (that's why I come to think that there will be no new global moderator, at least, for the time being). But people aren't quite happy when they are neglected, though they understand in general that their opinion should not have been asked at all in the first place. Obviously, folks don't want to get involved in this affair any more, and after giving it a second thought, they decided to remove their votes altogether

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Just made my vote, glad to participate in my own little way. Good luck to those in the reckoning.

[Foxpup]

Two candidate preferred vote:
|
   Lauda (47.9%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (52.1%) Mitchell
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Lauda: 45
Mitchell: 49
Exhausted: 18

Swing-o-meter:
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   Lauda (+0.7%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (-0.7%) Mitchell
|

The gap between Lauda and Mitchell continues to narrow, with just 4 votes separating them. But with only 3 days remaining in this election, will Lauda be able to catch up? It's worth noting that 4 of the exhausted ballots had all 3 preferences. These could have potentially changed the outcome had more than 3 preferences been allowed.

You can check the edit history of the spreadsheet.

No, I can't. It would have been easier if I could.

[BAGOBO]

Lauda receiving red trust, will it effect on global mod election ?

[bitkilo]

I got my vote in.

Lauda receiving red trust, will it effect on global mod election ?

I don't think that Lauda has any neg from a member in DT,.
In my opinion he is one of the most active staff members on the forum, sometimes maybe a little harsh in his comments but he just tells it how it is.
Its easy for others to judge but we all have different personalities and at the end of the day i always find Lauda's decisions fair
Mderating a forum is not as easy as some would think.

[minifrij]

Lauda receiving red trust, will it effect on global mod election ?

I can't imagine so. If Lauda had voted - which they didn't - their vote would have been invalidated, though receiving a negative trust doesn't change that they are a Staff member that is eligible to be promoted to Global.

I don't think that Lauda has any neg from a member in DT,.

Yes they do. Check their trust page for a rating by 'franky1'.

[Vod]

Yes they do. Check their trust page for a rating by 'franky1'.

I find it unnerving that one single negative rating can override many positive ratings.   

[Foxpup]

What's an idiot like franky1 even doing in DT anyway?

[shorena]

What's an idiot like franky1 even doing in DT anyway?

Thatd be a question for dserrano5. Seems to be unrelated to this "election" though. Im sure it will blow up somewhere else in meta or reputation soon.

Code:

$ cat trust.txt | grep franky1
dserrano5->franky1
Welsh->franky1
worthyou->franky1

[Lauda]

It is all fine now as we have internally solved the conflict in addition to dserrano's list wiping itself. There have been pretty much no more votes today.