What are you all - Sheep?

[unamis76]

Not much action required to update Bitcoin Core...

[DooMAD]

scaling:
the solution is not segwit or dynamic baseblocks.
it's both

Unfortunately, the most attractive dynamic blocksize proposal, i.e. BIP 106 has never been coded into any reference client.

I'd like to see a dynamic, albeit slightly curtailed BIP106 + Segwit too.  I say curtailed, as the doubling or halving aspect of the original proposal could easily become excessive.  A 12.5% (or if percentages prove to be a bit messy after a while, then just say plus or minus 0.125 MB) adjustment would prevent any sudden, drastic movements.  People still seem fixated on this strange notion that the blocksize limit should be a whole number, but there's no implicit reason why this should be the case.  The fees being collected by the miners, as detailed in BIP106's "Proposal 2", should also be factored in to help prevent gaming the system.

Although, if Segwit and Lightning require a certain minimum floor to function, as I'm led to believe it may, we'd have to ensure the code doesn't allow it to drop below that level.

Any coders up to the task?

[calkob]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Are you just here to shout at everyone else or do you have genuine solutions?

[Lauda]

Not another one of those politically biased threads. Stop feeding into the games played by Ver. The majority of the industry is standing behind the Core contributors and on-chain scaling solutions like Segwit. For example, Segwit has more hashrate after a few days than what the XT/Classic/BU takeovers have managed to gather in over a year.
The community is divided, and that is obvious. However, one side is constantly being toxic and is now trying to stall via political games. Yes, wanting to block Segwit because you dislike Core, Blockstream, Maxwell or whatever irrelevant reason you have, is stalling.

I'd like to see a dynamic, albeit slightly curtailed BIP106 + Segwit too.  I say curtailed, as the doubling or halving aspect of the original proposal could easily become excessive.  A 12.5% (or if percentages prove to be a bit messy after a while, then just say plus or minus 0.125 MB) adjustment would prevent any sudden, drastic movements.  People still seem fixated on this strange notion that the blocksize limit should be a whole number, but there's no implicit reason why this should be the case.  The fees being collected by the miners, as detailed in BIP106's "Proposal 2", should also be factored in to help prevent gaming the system.

I actually like your idea and would most likely support such a hard fork (if properly designed).

[DGulari]

2. Some member who knows about this can't do anything because they don't really understand what happens (also happens to me)

Oh, OK.  Sheep then. The answer to the question is 'yes'.  Yes, we are all a fucking bunch of sheep. 

[DGulari]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Are you just here to shout at everyone else or do you have genuine solutions?

I have a solution: kick fucking Greg Maxwell in the fucking head and set the block limit to 8MB right away.  Then, go work on Lightning in a non proprietary open source way for the next two years.  Dissolve Blockstream and never let a private entity take control of Core commit access again.

That is my solution. Glad you asked.

[DooMAD]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Are you just here to shout at everyone else or do you have genuine solutions?

I have a solution: kick fucking Greg Maxwell in the fucking head and set the block limit to 8MB right away.  Then, go work on Lightning in a non proprietary open source way for the next two years.  Dissolve Blockstream and never let a private entity take control of Core commit access again.

That is my solution. Glad you asked.

If that seriously is your "solution", I think you're going to be disappointed.  It only qualifies as a solution if you can make it happen.  In order to make that happen, you need the rest of the market behind you.  I doubt you'll find the support required to achieve that (impossible dissolving of a commercial entity you have no power over notwithstanding).  You'll need to make some significant compromises to your stance to make it more acceptable to others.

[tvbcof]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Is he?  I hadn't heard, but I've been paying attention to extra-bitcoin politics at the expense of all else lately.  To answer your question, however, this would be fantastic news to me because 'nullc / Blockstream / GMax'.

Unless the guy has done a 180 since last I looked I couldn't be happier to have him at the helm.  And I would not have held tight to my stash had he not maintained his significant input around the time of the blocksize wars.  I'll wager that the relatively steady and none-to-shabby value performance of Bitcoin over the last year has a lot to do with the confidence people have at the dominant development team.

[Holliday]

I have a solution: kick fucking Greg Maxwell in the fucking head and set the block limit to 8MB right away.

Then don't be a coward and fork today. I mean, I hear so much talking about how superior larger blocks will be, yet not a single one of the loud voices ever does anything except shout.

If large blocks are superior, as soon as you fork to a chain which is making large blocks, the market will follow you.

No risk, no reward.

I will tell you what isn't going to change anything, another thread whining about Core when it's clear to me that 13.1 is being adopted rather quickly. If the "majority" wants bigger blocks, they need to do something about it instead of making another new thread.

[Milkduds]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Was curious about the mindset to call people as a group "sheep" and not include ones self in the grouping.
Like any aspect of life people do not care till they care and little changes that aspect. Jumping up and down rarely gets attention or change in these respects as people go blind after seeing repetitive issues paraded like the sky is falling. Has it fallen yet?
Wake me up when it does,comfortably positioned in the middle of the flock.

[dontryjustdoit]

Who cares as long as it has a positive effect on the value. Which its seems to be doing, right. Too many cooks spoil the broth. Just get it done.

[yayayo]

Another FUD thread by the professional XT/Classic/Unlimited trolls. The disciples of Roger Ver are panicking that Ver might run out of funds to pay them, when SegWit activates and UnimitedCoin goes down the drain.

Everyone who has at least basic technological knowledge will agree that SegWit is great step forward in terms of security and scalability of Bitcoin. Ver is trying to manufacture dissent out of pure self-interest - he is heavily invested in altcoin ventures that will loose their value, once SegWit and LightningNetworks increase Bitcoin's capacity and flexibility. The whole blockstream-takeover and censorship propaganda is a joke - not even a good one.

The disciples of Andresen/Hearn/Ver are repeating the same nonsense over and over again. However development work for their stellar UnlimitedCoin client is very limited: Cloning an outdated Bitcoin codebase and doing a single change that will destroy Bitcoin's network decentralization.

ya.ya.yo!

[kiklo]

Your Chances to do something and not be sheep.

Everyone BoyCott BTC for 24 hours because of the Ignored Transaction Problems
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1690300.0



 

FYI:
Topic was censored. Boycott is still on for 24 hours for all that can.
At least we might clear the transactions log enough to unfreeze the people's money.
But Censorship is alive and well on BTCtalk.

[DGulari]

Another FUD thread by the professional XT/Classic/Unlimited trolls. The disciples of Roger Ver are panicking that Ver might run out of funds to pay them, when SegWit activates and UnimitedCoin goes down the drain.

Everyone who has at least basic technological knowledge will agree that SegWit is great step forward in terms of security and scalability of Bitcoin. Ver is trying to manufacture dissent out of pure self-interest - he is heavily invested in altcoin ventures that will loose their value, once SegWit and LightningNetworks increase Bitcoin's capacity and flexibility. The whole blockstream-takeover and censorship propaganda is a joke - not even a good one.

The disciples of Andresen/Hearn/Ver are repeating the same nonsense over and over again. However development work for their stellar UnlimitedCoin client is very limited: Cloning an outdated Bitcoin codebase and doing a single change that will destroy Bitcoin's network decentralization.

ya.ya.yo!

ya.ya.yo! = world class dumbass.

Everyone with tech knowledge does not think SegWit is a great step forward.  That claim is the same rubbish that nearly all your claims tend to be. 

Ver's self interest in alts has nothing at all to do with most of the anti SegWit.  I don't know Ver and don't hold any alt.  But I can tell you SegWit does nothing more than hijack Bitcoin to become the proprietary network of the Blockstream corporation. 

Core is also cloning Bitcoin to make their proposed alt.  SegWit is a fucking altcoin.  SegWit is not Bitcoin. 

Once GMax attached SegWit to Bitcoin, Blockstream is forever your daddy. 

Let's get back to the original Bitcoin which did not have 1MB limit.  That is Bitcoin.  That is what Satoshi invented.  Satoshi did not invent SegWit and the ridiculous LN.  Those are alt systems.  Go launch those on your own fork.  Taking over Bitcoin to launch your stupid alt is just wrong. 

'destroy Bitcoin decentralization' - This is precisely how you know Core is full of shit.  This argument is absurd.  On this point alone, people should resist SegWit.  SegWit doesn't serve a problem with Bitcoin.  SegWit only enables a Blockstream takeover of Bitcoin.

[Lauda]

But I can tell you SegWit does nothing more than hijack Bitcoin to become the proprietary network of the Blockstream corporation. 

Core is also cloning Bitcoin to make their proposed alt.  SegWit is a fucking altcoin.  SegWit is not Bitcoin. 

Please link me to the lines of code that do this. If you are unable to, then this makes you a lying manipulator. FYI segwit is not an altcoin as that would require it to have its own chain.

[kryptqnick]

I believe nothing is taking Bitcoin over. And it would be very hard for anything to even come close to overcoming Bitcoin. Comparing to usual money it is new and unstable. However, BTC already has years of history, many ups and downs on its way and some countries recognize it as money. I think BTC will only become stronger in future.

[Holliday]

Let's get back to the original Bitcoin which did not have 1MB limit.  That is Bitcoin.  That is what Satoshi invented.  Satoshi did not invent SegWit and the ridiculous LN.  Those are alt systems.  Go launch those on your own fork.

Do it. What are you waiting for? You don't need Blockstream's permission. Create a block bigger than 1mb today. As soon as you do that, you will separate yourselves from the Blockstream fork. Then everyone can go their separate ways and everyone will be happy!

[RodeoX]

Let's get back to the original Bitcoin which did not have 1MB limit.  That is Bitcoin.  That is what Satoshi invented.  Satoshi did not invent SegWit and the ridiculous LN.  Those are alt systems.  Go launch those on your own fork.

Do it. What are you waiting for? You don't need Blockstream's permission. Create a block bigger than 1mb today. As soon as you do that, you will separate yourselves from the Blockstream fork. Then everyone can go their separate ways and everyone will be happy!

Amen. this is an open source project and ANYONE is free to make their own fork. People are really complaining because the network does not agree with them and these forks just die. It's not that we're sheep, it's that we don't like the idea.

[streazight]

this thread is for general discussion about bitcoins, i mean, please no hybrid between bitcoins, litecoins, Trump's, and too much more, that's leads me feel that this thread comes to be off topic.

Yes that is right to say, we should be limited to bitcoin and try to avoid off topic I think we are here to promote bitcoin, therefore your discussion should also be limited to bitcoin and specially in this forum.

[pereira4]

The guys you mentioned are putting hard work and dedication into making bitcoin better and make it scale in a viable way that doesn't centralize nodes, unlike Roger Ver and the rest of idiots that don't even know how to code and act as if they know shit about how bitcoin works beyond shitposting on internet forums.