Fuck your vaccines

[kodoll]

Without the vaccines, we would have never eradicated contagious diseases such as polio and smallpox. For every death or injury which resulted from vaccination, tens of thousands of lives were saved. It is stupid as well as extremely harmful to spread negative propaganda against vaccination.

I think that if the company applies such ideas, it is useful for someone. Most likely pharmaceutical companies are keen to capitalise on medicines. People do not understand and support the delusion that they impose. Look at the ongoing epidemic in Africa. Do you want it?

[Tyrantt]

Without the vaccines, we would have never eradicated contagious diseases such as polio and smallpox. For every death or injury which resulted from vaccination, tens of thousands of lives were saved. It is stupid as well as extremely harmful to spread negative propaganda against vaccination.

I think that if the company applies such ideas, it is useful for someone. Most likely pharmaceutical companies are keen to capitalise on medicines. People do not understand and support the delusion that they impose. Look at the ongoing epidemic in Africa. Do you want it?

lol what? Go back to the book or internet and take a look at what was happening with diseases and illnesses back in the time where there were no vaccines and than after they were invented and put in a regular use, than come back here.

[Momus]

Why the vaccines didnt stop the epidemic in Africa?

[manbitcoinlover]

I heard stories that the epidemic in Africa was a plan, made to poison the people there. I heard there were sprays from the sky and in the food that had poison in them, which is why they were so sick. Obviously, vaccines are a very poor way to manage illnesses in my opinion, there should be a more efficient way to solve diseases . Vaccines are so outdated, its so 20th century.

[philipma1957]

We are merely human not gods or demigods.

So if we are to believe science vaccines are a form of Russian roulette .

And if you take the vaccine you have about 1500 pistols with 6 chambers  total of 9000 chambers and 1 bullet.

So a vaccine has a 1/9000 chance of really killing you.

 But the disease is like 15 pistols 6 chambers  1 bullet or a 1/90 chance of death.

This is a crude example but. Let's use it.  If it is true normal rational people will pick the 9000 to 1 shot not the 90 to 1 shot.

All things said I usually go vaccine yes.  Other then the flu shots.

I am 59 so far I guessed right  

At the op you could be right in that if 95% of the world said no to vaccines .  World population would shrink due to death rate from desease.   If the worlds population slowly shrinks the risk of a major war killing us all off should lower.

But personally I take my shots.

[tvbcof]

Without the vaccines, we would have never eradicated contagious diseases such as polio and smallpox. For every death or injury which resulted from vaccination, tens of thousands of lives were saved. It is stupid as well as extremely harmful to spread negative propaganda against vaccination.

That is not necessarily perfectly true.  In fact, one could be forgiven for wondering if maybe vaccines are not largely snake-oil when perusing charts such as the following.

Then there are diseases for which a vaccine was never developed and which had been quite problematic yet are now every bit as rare as the 'eradicated' ones for which a vaccines have been marketed.  Scarlet fever for instance.

Some would suggest that sanitation, enough food, etc, probably play the largest role, and perhaps the only role in some cases.

[kodoll]

Why the vaccines didnt stop the epidemic in Africa?

In fact, vaccination stops some epidemiological phenomena, but in Africa it is difficult to do. Many tribes live in isolation. In addition, poverty exacerbates disease.

[Sithara007]

Why the vaccines didnt stop the epidemic in Africa?

Which epidemic are you talking about? Small-pox was eradicated from Africa with the help of vaccination. Polio has been almost eradicated using similar means. Ebola and HIV are serious threats, but that is because vaccines are yet to be developed for those diseases. 

[Tyrantt]

Why the vaccines didnt stop the epidemic in Africa?

The only thing that can stop the diseases in Africa is purifying the whole continent with fire, juat burn it all down. Well major reasons why that didnt happen, the diseass stopping, was because of the poverty, still tribes there,etc...

[Tyrantt]

I heard stories that the epidemic in Africa was a plan, made to poison the people there. I heard there were sprays from the sky and in the food that had poison in them, which is why they were so sick. Obviously, vaccines are a very poor way to manage illnesses in my opinion, there should be a more efficient way to solve diseases . Vaccines are so outdated, its so 20th century.

That was the Russia spreading the propaganda around to destroy the influence of US during the cold war mostly.

[audaciousbeing]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. In my opinion, no one should be forced to receive medical treatment of any kind, especially not if it's something as controversial as prophylactic vaccination. It clearly stands against free will.

However there seems to be a majority of people advocating for an extension of vaccination programs, actually believing that these are desirable for the public good. These people must be considered henchmen of the medical industry and the ever growing socialist oppression by government.

I will want to disagree with you that no one should be forced to use medical treatment. I don't know what is applicable over there but over here government should even do more to jail parents who refuse to allow their children be vaccinated against some permanent disease especially polio because they end up turning into social menace begging on the street because of no fault of theirs. This issue I am talking about is a fundamental one over here and its painful to see talents waste away because of parent disobedience.

[Momus]

guillain barre syndrome in Greece after vaccinated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2i4GckcvB4

[Tyrantt]

guillain barre syndrome in Greece after vaccinated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2i4GckcvB4

Some old woman screaming in a language which i am unable to follow, uploaded in 2009.
I'm going to call it a Hoax.
 if this would've been real, all big media's would've posted about it.

Even if it was true, let's say that, that's the only one case? Yes, let's risk the epidemic because one person got goofd from vaccine.. yeah, sure.

[Tyrantt]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. In my opinion, no one should be forced to receive medical treatment of any kind, especially not if it's something as controversial as prophylactic vaccination. It clearly stands against free will.

However there seems to be a majority of people advocating for an extension of vaccination programs, actually believing that these are desirable for the public good. These people must be considered henchmen of the medical industry and the ever growing socialist oppression by government.

I will want to disagree with you that no one should be forced to use medical treatment. I don't know what is applicable over there but over here government should even do more to jail parents who refuse to allow their children be vaccinated against some permanent disease especially polio because they end up turning into social menace begging on the street because of no fault of theirs. This issue I am talking about is a fundamental one over here and its painful to see talents waste away because of parent disobedience.

No, maybe it should be selective, just like drugs should be legal and thus the natural selection occurs in it's modern way. lol

[Sithara007]

Even if it was true, let's say that, that's the only one case? Yes, let's risk the epidemic because one person got goofd from vaccine.. yeah, sure.

That's the whole point. No one is saying that the vaccines are 100% risk-free. There may be a few hundred deaths and complications from vaccine usage every year. But when you compare that to the millions of deaths, which were avoided as a result of vaccination, this figure seems minuscule.

[Momus]

Vaccines have been based on medical fraud for over a hundred years


The concept of vaccinating to immunize began in 1796, when British apothecary (pharmacist) Edward Jenner inserted cowpox pus under the skin of an eight year old boy. Jenner based his experiment on an unsubstantiated rumor that anyone who had experienced cowpox would be immune to smallpox.

England's incidents of smallpox after vaccination rose steadily from five percent in the beginning to 95% by 1895. There was even a serious epidemic around 1872, one year after smallpox vaccinations were decreed mandatory in the UK. The mortality rate among smallpox victims also shot up five fold around that time.

Despite intelligent protests with obvious facts and figures disproving efficacy, and proving harm from toxic materials and viruses contained in vaccines that endanger natural immunity, the inoculation for immunization premise has been maintained.

Protecting the industry against truth by attacking reasonable dissenters viciously has resulted in vaccine industry revenue of $17 billion annually today. This doesn't include revenue from doctors' visits for vaccinations and resulting ill health from them.

The vaccinators' tactics of suppressing scientific data from concerned professionals has become more mafia like. Sincere medical professionals who register health concerns over vaccines are severely punished and slandered by the medical mafia owned mainstream media.


http://www.naturalnews.com/035715_vaccines_history_fraud.html#ixzz25WOWKVBT

[tvbcof]

Vaccines have been based on medical fraud for over a hundred years

The concept of vaccinating to immunize began in 1796, ...


http://www.naturalnews.com/035715_vaccines_history_fraud.html#ixzz25WOWKVBT

I do believe that some kinds of vaccines can be 'effective' (and to a lesser degree 'safe') in certain situations such as a pandemic or biological warfare environment.  In such situations the risk/reward ratio is well outside the norm.  In 'normal' circumstances it makes little sense to me to vaccinate for non-problems when a vaccination regime could be implemented if/when needed.

One of the justifications for giving vaccine manufacturers immunity in the legal system was that they would then maintain production capacity to a point where it could conceivably meet unusual challenges as above described.

If should have been anticipated that they would use their own legal immunity to make tons of money with which to capture the regulatory system.  When they did just that, it should have been the case that the abuse was ended.  Clearly this has not happened either, and I attributed it to being the case that the same parties who implemented the regulatory capture (by buying/intimidating politicians) have done the same with many other sectors including, most importantly, academia and the press.

Another factor which I'm increasingly convinced is involved is outlined in the following quote.  I've not yet transcribed it to this particular thread.  For well over a century since science came into it's own, a class of elites have recognized the utility of biology, endocrinology, etc.  Just as a people can change their leadership, the leadership can change their people:

Diet, injections and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.

Another formation of the quote an others from the author who was in the upper ranks of elite philosophy at his time:  http://www.whale.to/b/russell_h.html  I think it more than fair to suspect that Russell's ideas were in part a transcript of the programs underway by his peers and also formed at least a rough map which has been followed since by the same.

[DooMAD]

Bottom line is, you're putting others at risk by turning yourself into an incubator and carrier by not vaccinating yourself.  This seems like yet another one of those things where hardcore libertarians somehow think they can still live and function within a society but only give a shit about themselves.  Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.  Go live in a cave somewhere or find a deserted island if you're that desperate to remove yourself from the rest of civilisation.  You don't get to take all the benefits but none of the accompanying responsibility. 

But I suppose you couldn't remove yourself from society, because you'll still be expecting a doctor to cure you when you manage to infect yourself with the plague or some horrific ailment that could have easily been avoided.   

[tvbcof]

Bottom line is, you're putting others at risk by turning yourself into an incubator and carrier by not vaccinating yourself.  This seems like yet another one of those things where hardcore libertarians somehow think they can still live and function within a society but only give a shit about themselves.  Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.  Go live in a cave somewhere or find a deserted island if you're that desperate to remove yourself from the rest of civilisation.  You don't get to take all the benefits but none of the accompanying responsibility. 

But I suppose you couldn't remove yourself from society, because you'll still be expecting a doctor to cure you when you manage to infect yourself with the plague or some horrific ailment that could have easily been avoided.   

Seems that in the case of whooping cough, for instance, being vaccinated can turn one into a permanent asymptomatic carrier of the wild strain.  And therefore should go live on a desert island for the benefit of the rest of us.

Mumps is another interesting case.  Get this no-big-deal bug as a child as I did and you have life-long immunity.  Get vaccinated (which is less and less effective requiring Merck to engage in outright fraud in order to maintain their monopoly on MMR) and you get mumps after puberty when it can cause infertility in males.  Search 'mumps outbreak university'.

Of course infertility among the peeps is not at all a bad thing to many in leadership positions (like our current science czar, Holdren, under Obama.)

[Momus]

Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe (2016)

https://torrentz2.eu/search?f=vaxxed