stex2009 scammed me $161.75

[john38474]

What happened:: stex2009 bought kohls cash from me worth 647$ for 25% but did not pay me. The cards have been used already.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=123884

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1696866.msg17023124#msg17023124
Amount Scammed: $161.75 or 0.2209699 BTC
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
PM/Chat Logs: http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
Additional Notes: stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed. Even if it was hacked its not my mistake and stex2009 should pay the amount that his account owes or it should be flagged as a scammer. If stex2009 is allowed to get away with this it would essentially mean that every old and trusted member can do this to a newer account atleast once and get away with it without issues. That would be a huge scam. I hope the community can get him to pay his due or red flag him. Thanks!

PS: I tired to solve it directly with him but he won't agree to do anything. I even offered him to settle at 20% so that I recover something atleast. But he refused and now I would like the community to make him pay the entire 25% amount please. Thanks!

[Joel_Jantsen]

It's obvious he's lying.I feel sorry for your loss and positive trust rating fails yet again.I've repeated it over 100 times to use escrow against whoever you're dealing with.Not a sign of email or password change has been found.Ive left him a negative feedback,hope someone from DT does it before he pulls out another scam.

[Chevas Regal]

Where are vod, shorena?
Haven't I told them before? More to come believe me or take action.

[john38474]

Yes please DT members mark him or get him to pay

[devthedev]

stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed.

Could you please provide screenshots of these messages between yourself and stex?

[john38474]

stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed.

Could you please provide screenshots of these messages between yourself and stex?

Sure,

http://imgur.com/M8KkP3l
http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
http://imgur.com/84MphXf
http://imgur.com/0esgnmE
http://imgur.com/4H2EQkm
http://imgur.com/7VgEmbJ

And he kept going on that his account was hacked.....let me know if more screenshots are needed. Thanks!

[devthedev]

stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed.

Could you please provide screenshots of these messages between yourself and stex?

Sure,

http://imgur.com/M8KkP3l
http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
http://imgur.com/84MphXf
http://imgur.com/0esgnmE
http://imgur.com/4H2EQkm
http://imgur.com/7VgEmbJ

And he kept going on that his account was hacked.....let me know if more screenshots are needed. Thanks!

"Please take back your cards" lol. I have negative rated him, use this as a learning experience to use escrow always!

[Zepher]

stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed.

Could you please provide screenshots of these messages between yourself and stex?

Sure,

http://imgur.com/M8KkP3l
http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
http://imgur.com/84MphXf
http://imgur.com/0esgnmE
http://imgur.com/4H2EQkm
http://imgur.com/7VgEmbJ

And he kept going on that his account was hacked.....let me know if more screenshots are needed. Thanks!

"Please take back your cards" lol. I have negative rated him, use this as a learning experience to use escrow always!

After reviewing the evidence, I have done the same.

As devthedev has stated, USE ESCROW.

[BTC909]

Thank god sorry for loss but i was going to go first with him

[stex2009]

It's obvious he's lying.I feel sorry for your loss and positive trust rating fails yet again.I've repeated it over 100 times to use escrow against whoever you're dealing with.Not a sign of email or password change has been found.Ive left him a negative feedback,hope someone from DT does it before he pulls out another scam.

How is it obvious! Just saw this thread and will do my best to respond here.

[stex2009]

"Please take back your cards" lol. I have negative rated him, use this as a learning experience to use escrow always!

How stupid is it to trade huge amounts without escrow. I did not get his cards, my account was hacked. I woke up in the morning, saw the email exchanges and realized right away something's going on. When I logged in I saw a few Amazon codes (that's what i thought because the hacker was trading Amazon with a few more people). I told him right away to use the cards and somehow take whatever he can.

[stex2009]

After reviewing the evidence, I have done the same.
As devthedev has stated, USE ESCROW.

First of all, that's not a great evidence. He is not lying, I am not lying. I understand he lost money, but it wasn't my fault at all. Half of the conversation is the scammer, and not me. The scammer was also trading with other people here, I am not sure how that will help to bring them here or not. Wish there was a way to check ip logs for any bitcointalk accounts, I don't care if mine is exposed. Is there a way?

What would you do in such a case?

I have traded with many people here. There's a good number of people that have trusted me and I have trusted so many and have been honest. I have not scammed anyone, not even close. That's not what I am.
The best part is, I do not shop at kohl's. I will never purchase any Kohl's GC here

[Zepher]

After reviewing the evidence, I have done the same.
As devthedev has stated, USE ESCROW.

First of all, that's not a great evidence. He is not lying, I am not lying. I understand he lost money, but it wasn't my fault at all. Half of the conversation is the scammer, and not me. The scammer was also trading with other people here, I am not sure how that will help to bring them here or not. Wish there was a way to check ip logs for any bitcointalk accounts, I don't care if mine is exposed. Is there a way?

What would you do in such a case?

I have traded with many people here. There's a good number of people that have trusted me and I have trusted so many and have been honest. I have not scammed anyone, not even close. That's not what I am.
The best part is, I do not shop at kohl's. I will never purchase any Kohl's GC here

Here's some evidence.

So at 3:39:09PM this transaction is taking place. At 03:43:54PM - 5 whole minutes later of the OP sending the codes, your account is suddenly hacked? Hmmm. Okay.

You clearly state at 03:49:42PM that your password had been changed. There is no evidence of this on your trust page. Seclog does indeed show: November 29, 2016, 03:42:11 PM - stex2009 - password changed though.

I call BS for the time being. The 5 minute difference just seems off. It would appear that you scammed this dude from my angle. You are responsible for any damage your account does, whether it was indeed you, or not. Own up - pay the OP the BTC he is owed, and then we will look at the situation further.

[john38474]

stex2009 please pay the BTC you owe me for the cards.... there's no way to know if your account was actually hacked and even if it was it is not my fault. In PM you said its been hacked before as well so you should have been more careful and kept your password safe and difficult. You are liable for your account. Please don't scam me and pay up. Thanks.

[Investigation]

i m sorry for you man

[ChrisLandin]

What happened:: stex2009 bought kohls cash from me worth 647$ for 25% but did not pay me. The cards have been used already.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=123884

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1696866.msg17023124#msg17023124
Amount Scammed: $161.75 or 0.2209699 BTC
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
PM/Chat Logs: http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
Additional Notes: stex2009 then sent me a message saying his account was hacked and I should stop everything. This was after I had already sent the cards. It is almost impossible for me to believe that the account was hacked and it was miraculously unhacked as soon as I sent the cards. Also there is no proof of this except stex2009's statement which cant be believed. Even if it was hacked its not my mistake and stex2009 should pay the amount that his account owes or it should be flagged as a scammer. If stex2009 is allowed to get away with this it would essentially mean that every old and trusted member can do this to a newer account atleast once and get away with it without issues. That would be a huge scam. I hope the community can get him to pay his due or red flag him. Thanks!

PS: I tired to solve it directly with him but he won't agree to do anything. I even offered him to settle at 20% so that I recover something atleast. But he refused and now I would like the community to make him pay the entire 25% amount please. Thanks!

I'm so curious about this.
OP can you provide proof he DID use them? I had a similar situation on another forum and I was able to call customer service to get proof.

[stex2009]

Here's some evidence.
So at 3:39:09PM this transaction is taking place. At 03:43:54PM - 5 whole minutes later of the OP sending the codes, your account is suddenly hacked? Hmmm. Okay.
You clearly state at 03:49:42PM that your password had been changed. There is no evidence of this on your trust page. Seclog does indeed show: November 29, 2016, 03:42:11 PM - stex2009 - password changed though.
I call BS for the time being. The 5 minute difference just seems off. It would appear that you scammed this dude from my angle. You are responsible for any damage your account does, whether it was indeed you, or not. Own up - pay the OP the BTC he is owed, and then we will look at the situation further.

Yes, that is exactly what happened, Mr Sherlock Holmes. I saw some codes in the email communication (there were many emails , some with other members here, luckily they never traded) and instead of getting ready for work and getting my kids to school i came to him and started sending him messages to somehow use the cards. It ws only 5 mins, and john could have used a few of them and saved some headache! I have dealt with so many people here, never even accused of stealing a penny, forget about hundreds of dollars. I am not that kind of a person.
I changed the password right away after i came to know, so the scammer does not deal with anyone else while i am away for a few hours in the morning.

The 5 whole minutes later thing, you think i should have waited for 50 mins, so someone else could have been scammed too?

I really wish someone scams your account and see what you do in that case.

I will also ask some people here to start reviewing this too, who have known me for years. i just do not want this to be a bloodbath of red color everywhere on this forums profiles.

[stex2009]

I'm so curious about this.
OP can you provide proof he DID use them? I had a similar situation on another forum and I was able to call customer service to get proof.

Let's try this too. john, what do you think?
I want this to be fair for you too, John, I understand you lost money, and that i did not steal your money. I try to step back every time i write something here instead of trying to dismiss in anger. can you get some more proof of this? Is there a way to check?

[Zepher]

I really wish someone scams your account and see what you do in that case.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1706465.0

Guess you got your wish. Just not in the way you intended it.

Anyway, I am out of this. If you can conclusively prove that you did not scam this person, I will remove my neg.


@john38474 - hope you get your money back man. Don't hold your breath though. I was a victim of a $650 scam today as well. It can happen to us all.

All the best

[stex2009]

Guess you got your wish. Just not in the way you intended it.
Anyway, I am out of this. If you can conclusively prove that you did not scam this person, I will remove my neg.
@john38474 - hope you get your money back man. Don't hold your breath though. I was a victim of a $650 scam today as well. It can happen to us all.
All the best

I didn't hack into yours, lol. Sorry, it happened to you, but my situation is slightly different as you see it.

I am not paying $161 or whatever he is asking for as I did not scam him. Hope you understand my situation too.