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December 27, 2016, 02:43:31 PM |
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Everything is privatized. What happens with those who cant pay for the service? Lets take the PH as an example because you live there. What does happen with them?
They end up on street selling their body, organs and kids.
Am i wrong or right?
They rely on extended family. You know something that is entirely gone from the culture of Europe where you send your parents off to die while you are in Southern Europe on a tanning vacation with your 2 months of mandated paid vacation and too busy to return home for their funeral. The Frankenstein Babylon that socialism has built.
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December 27, 2016, 02:52:54 PM |
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Everything is privatized. What happens with those who cant pay for the service? Lets take the PH as an example because you live there. What does happen with them?
They end up on street selling their body, organs and kids.
Am i wrong or right?
They rely on extended family. You know something that is entirely gone from the culture of Europe where you send your parents off to die while you are in Southern Europe on a tanning vacation with your 2 months of mandated paid vacation and too busy to return home for their funeral. The Babylon that socialization has built. They rely on extended family. Dont you think society is nothing else then your extended family at large or should be? A group of people helping each other creating a peaceful society? The 2nd part is just your opinion - that kind of people exist everywhere and i dont think it is an european problem. Additionaly isnt that the total opposite of leftism?
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December 27, 2016, 02:59:03 PM |
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My gf reminds me that the locals also rely on herbal medicines and natural remedies as much as possible to avoid extra costs when not absolutely necessary. I think you also have to factor that when filipinos are allowed to work, they do exceptionally well and are able to take care of their families quite adequately. The poverty is to a large extent due to the restrictions on free migration of people and on the subjugation of masses by the aristocracy in the country. They had a captive market of slaves who could not freely trade their labor in the global market. But this is rapidly improving now because for example of the Internet, the youth can see what is going on around the world and refuse to be corralled. Dont you think society is nothing else then your extended family at large or should be?
A group of people helping each other creating a peaceful society?
You are not helping each other. Your religion uses nice sounding words and concepts, but the reality is you steal production and give it to those who don't produce. This is a recipe for megadeath, because it becomes a violent idealistic delusion that knows no bounds such as your lunatic statement equating eugenics with self-responsibility. Taxing carbon in a lunatic error about climate change. Etc. You must regulate everything, tax everything that moves, destroy everything. There is no such thing as taxation without massive corruption. Flies are attracted to honey.
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December 27, 2016, 03:40:54 PM |
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Dont you think society is nothing else then your extended family at large or should be?
A group of people helping each other creating a peaceful society?
You are not helping each other. Your religion uses nice sounding words and concepts, but the reality is you steal production and give it to those who don't produce. This is a recipe for megadeath, because it becomes a violent idealistic delusion that knows no bounds such as your lunatic statement equating eugenics with self-responsibility. Taxing carbon in a lunatic error about climate change. Etc. You must regulate everything, tax everything that moves, destroy everything. There is no such thing as taxation without massive corruption. Flies are attracted to honey. Think again about my eugenics statement. What happens with people who have no extended family? Do you think the weakest people in our society have something like a family helping them? You are letting this people die and dont give a shit about them. You just dont want to admit it. Your problem is indeed not leftism but corruption even though you dont realize it. Btw. Majority of the greatest scientist the world ever saw were... no wonder.. leftist. Also why does it always sounds like leftims created corruption, agw and all evil existing in the world if you talk about it?
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December 27, 2016, 03:46:47 PM |
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Think again about my eugenics statement. What happens with people who have no extended family? Do you think the weakest people in our society have something like a family helping them? You are letting this people die and dont give a shit about them. You just dont want to admit it.
What a cold, dark, humanity if those who have lost all their extended family are not adopted and cared for by some family. The leftist religion is all about replacing humanity (and love) with collective indebtedness, corruption, and rewarding non-production while penalizing production. Btw. Majority of the greatest scientist the world ever saw were... no wonder.. leftist.
Incorrect. You must be referring to the corrupt ClimateGate "scientist" frauds.
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December 27, 2016, 04:09:23 PM |
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Leftist replacing humanity and love: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newmandala.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fcache%2F2016%2F07%2Fstreet-children-Philippines%2F1476539697.jpg&t=665&c=gJqCbXL1bBQRhQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhronlineph.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F04%2F2810251276_ffb0662a2c.jpg%3Fw%3D700&t=665&c=9joZlDX-rPKl1A) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fphilippineslifestyle.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fstreet-kids-2-960x540.jpg&t=665&c=qkjo0mkFoG05Ow) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifyouonlynews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fstreetchildren.png&t=665&c=_WSnd08-eBjd0A) All made in the philippines without help of leftism. What is your excuse for that?
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January 01, 2017, 01:33:41 AM Last edit: January 01, 2017, 02:30:30 AM by iamnotback |
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Leftists Europe stealing from 91 year old women: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/91-year-old-woman-court-sides-with-bank-her-cash-saving-illegal/Leftist replacing humanity and love: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newmandala.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fcache%2F2016%2F07%2Fstreet-children-Philippines%2F1476539697.jpg&t=665&c=gJqCbXL1bBQRhQ) All made in the philippines without help of leftism. What is your excuse for that? Typical leftist propaganda which argues that in order to end poverty, we must steal from 91 year old women. Totally illogical idiots that need to be shot in the head. Which they will do to each other. The leftists feel no shame for their megadeath philosophy. Repeating every time throughout human history, yet they are so proud of it. Socialism made you westerners think that human nature is actually not selfish. This works for a short time because the government borrows money to give you everything you want. But throughout history of mankind, this always collapses back to the reality of human nature and megadeath. Humans leverage the system they are in to get the maximum they can for themselves and their love ones. When there is abundance, humans are more sharing, because sharing becomes a gift culture wherein status is gained by giving. But this only works in a capitalistic society that rewards production. A socialist/communist society destroys production. In fact one of the reasons the Philippines is poverty stricken is because of the communist family structure, where one person works and everyone else is lazy and parasites on those who work. The filipinos are also lazy because the aristocracy had enslaved them as captured oversupply of labor. This is changing now that filipinos can go abroad to work. The culture is changing, but not entirely and slowly.
Often those who are pictured in the Philippines these sob stories pitched by Children's International, are Bajao (sea people). They refuse education, they refuse to be properly settled. They roam around begging instead of pursuing their former life of being sea nomads, because they find it more lucrative to beg than to live off the sea as they had done for centuries. The necklace on the little girl makes it almost certain she is a Bajao. Typically the filipinos are farmers and have very strong extended family networks for their sustenance.
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January 01, 2017, 02:50:59 AM |
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Leftists Europe stealing from 91 year old women: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/91-year-old-woman-court-sides-with-bank-her-cash-saving-illegal/Leftist replacing humanity and love: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newmandala.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fcache%2F2016%2F07%2Fstreet-children-Philippines%2F1476539697.jpg&t=665&c=gJqCbXL1bBQRhQ) All made in the philippines without help of leftism. What is your excuse for that? Typical leftist propaganda which argues that in order to end poverty, we must steal from 91 year old women. Totally illogical idiots that need to be shot in the head. Which they will do to each other. The leftists feel no shame for their megadeath philosophy. Repeating every time throughout human history, yet they are so proud of it. Socialism made you westerners think that human nature is actually not selfish. This works for a short time because the government borrows money to give you everything you want. But throughout history of mankind, this always collapses back to the reality of human nature and megadeath. Humans leverage the system they are in to get the maximum they can for themselves and their love ones. When there is abundance, humans are more sharing, because sharing becomes a gift culture wherein status is gained by giving. But this only works in a capitalistic society that rewards production. A socialist/communist society destroys production. In fact one of the reasons the Philippines is poverty stricken is because of the communist family structure, where one person works and everyone else is lazy and parasites on those who work. The filipinos are also lazy because the aristocracy had enslaved them as captured oversupply of labor. This is changing now that filipinos can go abroad to work. The culture is changing, but not entirely and slowly.
Often those who are pictured in the Philippines these sob stories pitched by Children's International, are Bajao (sea people). They refuse education, they refuse to be properly settled. They roam around begging instead of pursuing their former life of being sea nomads, because they find it more lucrative to beg than to live off the sea as they had done for centuries. The necklace on the little girl makes it almost certain she is a Bajao. Typically the filipinos are farmers and have very strong extended family networks for their sustenance. Oh boy. So you say that all the homeless people are bajao and they choose for themself and their kids to live worst then garbage? And you could say that because that kid on the last pic has a necklace? You are beyond help. It is pretty comical that people sent you money when you were fucked in the Philippines and asked for it. What irony. You know what? In germany we dont have starving kids on the street, have one of the best economies and even universal healthcare since 50+ years. And we lost two world wars that we started. Btw. What link does the story with poor grandma in the usa have with starving filipino kids on the street? I though there is no crazy human eating leftism in PH?
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January 01, 2017, 02:56:52 AM |
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Oh boy. So you say that all the homeless people are bajao and they choose for themself and their kids to live worst then garbage? And you could say that because that kid on the last pic has a necklace?
I didn't write "all". Btw, my gf is a (poverty stricken) filipina and she said 100% sure the kid with the necklace is Bajao. And she concurred with what I wrote. You know what? In germany we dont have starving kids on the street, have one of the best economies and even universal healthcare since 50+ years.
Instead you have rapefugees in your streets and you steal the savings of 91 year old frugal women. And the megadeath is coming again to Europe because you leftist white fuckers never learn from your mistakes. You will reap what you sow. You've been warned many times, but you are hard-headed. The leftist religion is all about replacing humanity (and love) with collective indebtedness, corruption, and rewarding non-production while penalizing production.
I think you'll find that you are talking about Goldman Sachs' religion there - not those that want an equitable share of wealth, power and opportunity. The "equitable share" aspect is the evil of your religion. The Bible even speaks to that in numerous places such as the Ten Commandments thou shall not covet your neighbor's... and else where it says not to gang up to steal. And in 1 Samuel 8 the Lord warns, and then fulfills in 1 Samuel 15 what happens to those who organize themselves in collectivism. Scientifically we can prove that a uniform distribution is non-existence. It can't be. It violates the laws of nature. You have throughout all the annals of history the repeating failure and megadeath from humans attempting to enforce equality and nature always winning the battle. P.S. I agree with CoinCube that in order to have freedom, we must grant freedom to others. This is the fundamental teaching of the Bible (and I guess Islam) that we must have self-restraint when it comes to violating the freedom of others, otherwise we destroy our own freedom. The collectivists prefer the religion of Satan which deceives them into thinking that man is more powerful than Physics. The differences between CoinCube and I are on the extent of organization into a social structure which requires a lot of superfluous rules in order to protect that social structure from defection and dilution. For an effective K strategy, you need this social superstructure. I am leaning more R strategy, but I haven't worked this all out in my mind yet as to whether it is possible to pursue an R strategy and not violate the freedom of others thus destroying my own freedom. I haven't fully evaluated yet all the ramifications ranging from those within my life and on my evolutionary legacy. I do note that I was not organized at all in my life strategy and this is has played out chaotically as would be expected. CoinCube points out that governance structures may be evolving towards more mutual freedoms. I haven't thought about that yet. And that evolution may be much too slow to concern me.
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January 01, 2017, 03:09:11 AM |
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Well you wrote often and i translated that as most/ nearly all. Sorry for being a bit hyperbolic there.
Ok let us just say that you people are right with rapefugees. They are here since 2014. This is 2 years. The Bundesrepublik Deutschland exist for a bit longer then that. If you see it logically it could be just a failure of merkel and her cabinet.
We still have 50+ minus two years as one of the best nations of the world.
Btw. There was once a uniform distribution of matter in the universe. The CMB is evidence for it.
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January 01, 2017, 03:11:25 AM |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend.
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January 01, 2017, 03:13:11 AM |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL
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January 01, 2017, 03:16:12 AM Last edit: January 01, 2017, 03:28:24 AM by iamnotback |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL Of course it was. Even though they indoctrinate you otherwise of course in your fascist country Germany. You do realize that the strong Euro was a fascist plot of Germany to enslave the rest of Europe having them borrow in Euros and then have to pay back in Euros when Germany manufacturers everything there. Before the Euro, the other countries could default on their debt by printing more local currency. Hilter was socialist. He printed money and spent it on public works to put people to work (that is how the Autobahn was built). There was socialized health care (in which they needed to kill all the medically handicapped in order to keep the system from going bankrupt). You live in a horrible, evil country. We had to stop you fools once before in WW2 (actually CoinCube makes the argument that it was the bad weather that thwarted Hilter but he was overextended any way because he relied on stealing resources in order to keep his system running). Now you fools are doing it again. Dumb motherfuckers. I have some German ancestry but I don't think it is something to be proud of. But of course, you fools are proud and arrogant. Even more arrogant are the fuckers from Netherlands. I met a few Germans and Netherlands dudes over here in the Philippines. Arrogant motherfuckers. Think they are superior to Americans. So boastful about their social system. One Netherlands dude over here was talking shit about me behind my back yet he is married to prostitute who gets pregnant with her "cousin" every time he goes home. And he spends his days looking at porn on his computer. That doesn't mean I have any love for the leftists in the USA either. I suppose after Merkel, you'll lurch to Fascist again. Just another obfuscation of socialism/leftism/stealing from each other.
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January 01, 2017, 02:13:03 PM |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL Of course it was. Even though they indoctrinate you otherwise of course in your fascist country Germany. You do realize that the strong Euro was a fascist plot of Germany to enslave the rest of Europe having them borrow in Euros and then have to pay back in Euros when Germany manufacturers everything there. Before the Euro, the other countries could default on their debt by printing more local currency. Hilter was socialist. He printed money and spent it on public works to put people to work (that is how the Autobahn was built). There was socialized health care (in which they needed to kill all the medically handicapped in order to keep the system from going bankrupt). You live in a horrible, evil country. We had to stop you fools once before in WW2 (actually CoinCube makes the argument that it was the bad weather that thwarted Hilter but he was overextended any way because he relied on stealing resources in order to keep his system running). Now you fools are doing it again. Dumb motherfuckers. I have some German ancestry but I don't think it is something to be proud of. But of course, you fools are proud and arrogant. Even more arrogant are the fuckers from Netherlands. I met a few Germans and Netherlands dudes over here in the Philippines. Arrogant motherfuckers. Think they are superior to Americans. So boastful about their social system. One Netherlands dude over here was talking shit about me behind my back yet he is married to prostitute who gets pregnant with her "cousin" every time he goes home. And he spends his days looking at porn on his computer. That doesn't mean I have any love for the leftists in the USA either. I suppose after Merkel, you'll lurch to Fascist again. Just another obfuscation of socialism/leftism/stealing from each other. Every time someone qualifies 3rd Reich of "socialist", the average IQ of the world decreases. You still haven't answered how you pay for public services without taxes... How do you pay firefighters, roads, doctors...?
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January 01, 2017, 03:44:28 PM |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL Of course it was. Even though they indoctrinate you otherwise of course in your fascist country Germany. You do realize that the strong Euro was a fascist plot of Germany to enslave the rest of Europe having them borrow in Euros and then have to pay back in Euros when Germany manufacturers everything there. Before the Euro, the other countries could default on their debt by printing more local currency. Hilter was socialist. He printed money and spent it on public works to put people to work (that is how the Autobahn was built). There was socialized health care (in which they needed to kill all the medically handicapped in order to keep the system from going bankrupt). You live in a horrible, evil country. We had to stop you fools once before in WW2 (actually CoinCube makes the argument that it was the bad weather that thwarted Hilter but he was overextended any way because he relied on stealing resources in order to keep his system running). Now you fools are doing it again. Dumb motherfuckers. I have some German ancestry but I don't think it is something to be proud of. But of course, you fools are proud and arrogant. Even more arrogant are the fuckers from Netherlands. I met a few Germans and Netherlands dudes over here in the Philippines. Arrogant motherfuckers. Think they are superior to Americans. So boastful about their social system. One Netherlands dude over here was talking shit about me behind my back yet he is married to prostitute who gets pregnant with her "cousin" every time he goes home. And he spends his days looking at porn on his computer. That doesn't mean I have any love for the leftists in the USA either. I suppose after Merkel, you'll lurch to Fascist again. Just another obfuscation of socialism/leftism/stealing from each other. Every time someone qualifies 3rd Reich of "socialist", the average IQ of the world decreases. You still haven't answered how you pay for public services without taxes... How do you pay firefighters, roads, doctors...? What you mean, is that you'd prefer to not hear those arguments. So you ridicule them. Actually, the form of socialism in the 3rd Reich is quite interesting. https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
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January 01, 2017, 03:56:54 PM |
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL Of course it was. Even though they indoctrinate you otherwise of course in your fascist country Germany. You do realize that the strong Euro was a fascist plot of Germany to enslave the rest of Europe having them borrow in Euros and then have to pay back in Euros when Germany manufacturers everything there. Before the Euro, the other countries could default on their debt by printing more local currency. Hilter was socialist. He printed money and spent it on public works to put people to work (that is how the Autobahn was built). There was socialized health care (in which they needed to kill all the medically handicapped in order to keep the system from going bankrupt). You live in a horrible, evil country. We had to stop you fools once before in WW2 (actually CoinCube makes the argument that it was the bad weather that thwarted Hilter but he was overextended any way because he relied on stealing resources in order to keep his system running). Now you fools are doing it again. Dumb motherfuckers. I have some German ancestry but I don't think it is something to be proud of. But of course, you fools are proud and arrogant. Even more arrogant are the fuckers from Netherlands. I met a few Germans and Netherlands dudes over here in the Philippines. Arrogant motherfuckers. Think they are superior to Americans. So boastful about their social system. One Netherlands dude over here was talking shit about me behind my back yet he is married to prostitute who gets pregnant with her "cousin" every time he goes home. And he spends his days looking at porn on his computer. That doesn't mean I have any love for the leftists in the USA either. I suppose after Merkel, you'll lurch to Fascist again. Just another obfuscation of socialism/leftism/stealing from each other. Every time someone qualifies 3rd Reich of "socialist", the average IQ of the world decreases. You still haven't answered how you pay for public services without taxes... How do you pay firefighters, roads, doctors...? What you mean, is that you'd prefer to not hear those arguments. So you ridicule them. Actually, the form of socialism in the 3rd Reich is quite interesting. https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarianWhat I mean is that he ignored the questions en started comparing current Germany with 3rd Reich. I can't ridicule an argument that was not stated. Thank you for the link to the article, it was interesting. But the thing that the article misses is that it was totalitarianism, not socialism. What the article says is: "What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners." So... The only thing that they prove is that socialism totalitarianism = capitalist totalitarianism. Because in the end government has all powers, including legislative and economic, and people have 0 powers.
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We still have 50+ minus two years of one the best nations of the world.
Seem the proponents of man-made climate change, are also incapable of looking at repeating history further back then a 50 year myopia. Back tested, statistical confidence intervals doesn't seem to be a math concept they comprehend. Please dont start with the bullshit that nazi-germany was socialist LoL Of course it was. Even though they indoctrinate you otherwise of course in your fascist country Germany. You do realize that the strong Euro was a fascist plot of Germany to enslave the rest of Europe having them borrow in Euros and then have to pay back in Euros when Germany manufacturers everything there. Before the Euro, the other countries could default on their debt by printing more local currency. Hilter was socialist. He printed money and spent it on public works to put people to work (that is how the Autobahn was built). There was socialized health care (in which they needed to kill all the medically handicapped in order to keep the system from going bankrupt). You live in a horrible, evil country. We had to stop you fools once before in WW2 (actually CoinCube makes the argument that it was the bad weather that thwarted Hilter but he was overextended any way because he relied on stealing resources in order to keep his system running). Now you fools are doing it again. Dumb motherfuckers. I have some German ancestry but I don't think it is something to be proud of. But of course, you fools are proud and arrogant. Even more arrogant are the fuckers from Netherlands. I met a few Germans and Netherlands dudes over here in the Philippines. Arrogant motherfuckers. Think they are superior to Americans. So boastful about their social system. One Netherlands dude over here was talking shit about me behind my back yet he is married to prostitute who gets pregnant with her "cousin" every time he goes home. And he spends his days looking at porn on his computer. That doesn't mean I have any love for the leftists in the USA either. I suppose after Merkel, you'll lurch to Fascist again. Just another obfuscation of socialism/leftism/stealing from each other. Every time someone qualifies 3rd Reich of "socialist", the average IQ of the world decreases. You still haven't answered how you pay for public services without taxes... How do you pay firefighters, roads, doctors...? What you mean, is that you'd prefer to not hear those arguments. So you ridicule them. Actually, the form of socialism in the 3rd Reich is quite interesting. https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarianWhat I mean is that he ignored the questions en started comparing current Germany with 3rd Reich. I can't ridicule an argument that was not stated. Thank you for the link to the article, it was interesting. But the thing that the article misses is that it was totalitarianism, not socialism. What the article says is: "What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners." So... The only thing that they prove is that socialism totalitarianism = capitalist totalitarianism. Because in the end government has all powers, including legislative and economic, and people have 0 powers. I can't altogether disagree with this method of analysizing the situation. I do disagree to a point, but yes, the article is interesting.
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Hey, saw your bullshit about socialism and private sectors and all. Here is a link about Health care industry around the world and their share of GDP of countries: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZSAs you can see, when an industry is privately managed it costs 17% of GDP (USA) When it's publicly managed it's around the 11% or above (France, Sweden...) Funny how the socialists manage an industry with an average similar performance but for 6% of GDP less Could it be that the "freedom of market" leads to huge monopolies and companies agreeing all together to raise prices in order to win more? Could it be that capitalism is all about making riches richer? Nah, that couldn't be. Socialism is definitely evil. Look at those governments taxing 11% of GDP for equal health care benefits while our good private companies tax only 17% of GDP for unequal health care benefits! Definitely much better!
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January 04, 2017, 04:35:39 PM |
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As you can see, when an industry is privately managed it costs 17% of GDP (USA) When it's publicly managed it's around the 11% or above (France, Sweden...)
Funny how the socialists manage an industry with an average similar performance but for 6% of GDP less
Rationing. That is why rich Canadians used to go to the USA so they wouldn't have to be on a waiting list for surgery. Just because I don't refute every idiot in this thread, doesn't mean they aren't idiots. I simply am not paid enough to justify wasting my time on a bunch of fools.
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January 04, 2017, 04:47:44 PM Last edit: January 05, 2017, 04:47:13 AM by iamnotback |
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What I mean is that he ignored the questions en started comparing current Germany with 3rd Reich. I can't ridicule an argument that was not stated.
Thank you for the link to the article, it was interesting. But the thing that the article misses is that it was totalitarianism, not socialism. What the article says is: "What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."
So... The only thing that they prove is that socialism totalitarianism = capitalist totalitarianism. Because in the end government has all powers, including legislative and economic, and people have 0 powers.
Socialism is a totalitarianism endgame in sheepskin every time in human history. There are no exceptions. Capitalism as in industrial or agricultural capitalism requires totalitarianism: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg17396067#msg17396067Click the above link to broaden your mind a bit and understand what I mean by Libertarian free markets. Germany is headed in the same repeating direction as it has in the past. The Euro was created to prevent currency risk for German industrial capitalists and also it enslaved the PIIGS by not allowing them to devalue their currency when they denominated their loans in Euros. Germans just can't stop top-down micromanaging everything. They are "perfectionists". And a perfect slavery hell is what they create every time.
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