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December 04, 2016, 03:36:48 AM
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Rothschilds + Rockefeller are running the show:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/22/donald-trump-paris-climate-deal-change-open-mind

Human caused climate change is ABSOLUTELY impossible. Human caused environmental degradation happens often, but environment is not climate.

Even a nuclear winter would not be a permanent climate change. After some years or decades, the earth would resume the climate that is dictated and controlled by the Sun and the internal heat of the Earth.

We are just but little specks of dust crawling on the surface of the earth and have no where near enough impact to the thermodynamics to have any meaningful impact on the climate.


Please spread this message to the spoiled-brat Millennials

I know politics is not your interest. But you are smart enough to understand why "everything equal" is always horrific failure that leads to war and megadeath. Please read this quote and understand why you must stop teaching your friends and kids the bullshit about "the rich are evil and everything must be equal". The Ten Commandments tell us not to covet what our neighbor has (and that includes accusing every rich person of being corrupt when in fact many people get rich by hard work!). The "99% versus 1%" movement is Satan whoreship!

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.


I had a conversation in a hotel with someone who was very much a believer in man created global warming. I began to notice a pattern to their thinking. When you test anything, you must see how it is connected to other reasoning. What emerged was a fundamental belief that government is good and there to take care of you until you die. This notion appears to be linked to those who just want to be taken care of, but not to the point that they are on welfare. They will pretend to be independent thinking individuals, but there is a core surrender of independence because they do not want to think no one is in charge. They voted for Hillary as well, and this all seems linked to this desire not to be responsible for the future in a subtle way. Perhaps it is linked to childhood when you did not have to work or cook. They just took care of you. It seems that those who believe in global warming are more likely to trust government. What happens when they wake up and discover nothing is as they thought it would be?


I am becoming deeply concerned that the United States is headed into its version of a communist revolution under the label “progressive” and the bankers, who Larry Summers has always supported, will be used as the scapegoat for Wall Street and the “rich” who have to be stripped of their liberty and their money for the “good of the people” as they always say. The United States does not look like it will be a country we can recognize by 2032 if we can even make it past 2024. The United States will most likely break apart by 2036. There are separatist movements rising in many areas from Vermont and Texas to California, who reasons they voted for Hillary not Trump justifying their departure.

The entire purpose of eliminating cash is to strip us of our assets, liberty, and to prevent bank runs. The youth, who have been brainwashed by Bernie Sanders and people like Elizabeth Warren, will turn against the older generation and enslave them if at all possible. This threatens our future with outright civil war. They will not be satisfied until they destroy the freedom of their opposition. It is starting to appear that 2036 is our date with destiny.

I saw NBA legend Kevin Garnett using the term "not progressive enough" on national TV in his condemnation of coaching great Phil Jackson (when Jackson referred to Lebron's "posse").
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December 04, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
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There is no other path but to start to kill them. I am sorry. They are like Bagdad bob



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For those who need more convincing:

http://print-humanbeingsfirst.blogspot.ca/2016/11/global-warming-climate-change-whats-it.html



    “I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
    “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
    Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
    “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
    “So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.
    “Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.
    “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
    “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
    “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
    “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
    “The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.
    “I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken...Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.” - Award Winning Physicist Dr. Will Happer, Professor at the Department of Physics at Princeton University and Former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy, who has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the National Academy of Sciences.
    “Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.
    “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
    “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
    “The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.
    “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
    “All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)
    “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
    “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
    “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
    “Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.
    “But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.
    “The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.
    “Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.
    “I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO (The full quotes of the scientists are later in this report)

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December 11, 2016, 06:15:48 AM
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Perhaps the best explanation I have ever heard:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/left-and-right-differences/how-do-we-make-society-better-left-vs-right-5

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Edit: btw, I agree with the following, except the problem is that divorce has destroyed the benefit for men:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/life-studies/be-man-get-married

http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-false-life-plan/
http://blog.jim.com/economics/the-future-belongs-to-those-that-show-up/
http://blog.jim.com/culture/fertility/
http://blog.jim.com/culture/on-what-used-to-be-called-marriage/
http://blog.jim.com/politics/the-reason-that-women-need-to-be-subordinated-for-successful-reproduction/

Note I am not a misogynist. Actually the reason women are not given more testosterone is because their eggs are more valuable than male sperm. We must protect the women, because if a tribe only had one woman remaining, it would be in danger of extinction, but one man could easily impregnate a plurality of woman.

I also dreamed at one point of working with female programmers and that a female would be both my career peer as well as my peer in romance. But I have since learned that there is a reason that women and men are physiologically different. Women have similar average IQ but their outliers are much more rare on the upper end of the IQ curve. Females are very smart at consensus building and nurturing. Men are very smart at economics (and technology as a function in economics).

http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-ancestral-environment-of-females/#comment-183149
http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-ancestral-environment-of-females/#comment-183156

As the 160 IQ Eric S. Raymond points out in numerous blogs, these are the "damned facts" that don't feel good to admit, but are in fact reality.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5220
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238

Relate this phenomenon of wanting to ignore "damned facts" to following video:

https://www.prageru.com/courses/left-and-right-differences/does-it-feel-good-or-does-it-do-good-left-vs-right-2

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Edit#2: the liberal socialism Dark Age proceeds as these brainless retards continue to foam at the mouth:

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/internet-week-99/
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December 12, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
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iamnotback:

Rather than writing ridiculous "gish gallops" why don't you give coherent, concise answers to posts?

For example, can you explain why the 10 warmest years in 136 years (excepting 1998) have occured since the year 2000?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

This gif is enlightening:


http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/climate-lab-book/files/2016/05/spiral_optimized.gif

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December 12, 2016, 07:41:54 PM
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Global COOLING: World temperature DROPS as spikes NOT caused by man, scientists claim

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/742289/El-Nino-La-Nina-temperature-drop-global-warming-climate-change

Truth is we will never know the truth and only time will tell, both sides of the argument have an agenda and are making cash from it.
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Global COOLING: World temperature DROPS as spikes NOT caused by man, scientists claim

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/742289/El-Nino-La-Nina-temperature-drop-global-warming-climate-change

Truth is we will never know the truth and only time will tell, both sides of the argument have an agenda and are making cash from it.

The Express is a British tabloid, highly biased both politically and socially, it is not a great source for this sort of thing. I haven't read the article (I will now and edit accordingly), but this sounds very suspiciously like a rehash of the recent Breitbart story (which was totally debunked). I will read the article and comment again.

I would say that although we will never know the 100% truth, there is a difference between one side having exponentially more evidence for their hypothesis than the other. We don't know the 100% truth about gravity or quantum physics effects, but they are universally accepted. The same could be for climate science, in fact the evidence so far is verging on "certain".

However I do agree that both sides are "making cash" from their opinion, but this is mainly related to the media. I believe there are many people in the petrochemical industry making billions, even though they believe that what they are doing is wrong and could damage the planet. But they wont be around to experience it, so it doesn't matter. Likewise, there are people in climate science funded by petrochemical companies who are willing to make false assumptions about research, as there are honest climate scientists who would refuse such funding to attempt unbiased research.

It's a complicated problem

EDIT: Yeah, that trashy express article is using an erroneous measurement:
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Met Office Hadcrut4 data has shown about a 0.5C drop in average surface temperatures between the spring and the end of October.
- comparing the global temp in a period of less than 6 months to imply that the planet isn't warming. Any scientist will tell you that this is a far too small sample of data to predict an overlying trend. For instance take a look at this graph:



See how el nino/la nina seem to be irrelevant when you increase the sample size to an approriate amount?

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December 12, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
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When you are taking about global climate cycles is the 29 years of the above graph an appropriate sample size?

I would say not.
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December 12, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
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When you are taking about global climate cycles is the 29 years of the above graph an appropriate sample size?

I would say not.

Well it's 54 years in fact, as far as I can see. And no, it's not an ideal sample size but it beats the ~6 months sample that was in the article that you yourself just posted. So how can you possibly criticise my sample when yours is less than 1% of the length of my sample?

In fact there are temp and CO2 records going back to the mid to late 1800s, but the graph I chose has the records of El Nino/La Nina in too, which may not have existed that early on.

Still don't see how you think your 1/2 year sample trumps my 54 year one, can you elaborate on that?

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December 12, 2016, 10:05:49 PM
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Global temperature changes and even wild fluctuations are a completely normal thing if you look at the history of Earth. Such effects are caused by various cosmic (ecliptic, sun activity, cosmic radiation) and earthly factors (land mass distribution, sea currents, mountains -> wind changes). The global temperature was a lot higher than today during hundreds of million years. We are currently living within a temporarily warm period within an overarching ice age.

Drawing conclusions based on temperature changes of a few decades or even centuries of modern history is not convincing at all.
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Global temperature changes and even wild fluctuations are a completely normal thing if you look at the history of Earth. Such effects are caused by various cosmic (ecliptic, sun activity, cosmic radiation) and earthly factors (land mass distribution, sea currents, mountains -> wind changes). The global temperature was a lot higher than today during hundreds of million years. We are currently living within a temporarily warm period within an overarching ice age.

Drawing conclusions based on temperature changes of a few decades or even centuries of modern history is not convincing at all.

Your first part is true, global temp changes are normal when we look at the history of the Earth, but these changes happened over a huge timescale. What isn't normal is the incredible speed of the current warming trend, coupled with the spectacular increase in CO2 ppm during the last 150 years. That's what's worrying.

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Global Warming issues would always be a good topic to discuss as it is affecting us and the future generations. The problem with this issue is that though definitely changes of the weather are now appearing in many parts of the globe, the science behind this whole thing can sometimes be compromised and many advocates are getting selective of the facts they want their audience to be convinced of. One thing for sure, in the coming years we would see validation -- actual validation -- as to who is telling the whole truth on Global Warming.
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Global temperature changes and even wild fluctuations are a completely normal thing if you look at the history of Earth. Such effects are caused by various cosmic (ecliptic, sun activity, cosmic radiation) and earthly factors (land mass distribution, sea currents, mountains -> wind changes). The global temperature was a lot higher than today during hundreds of million years. We are currently living within a temporarily warm period within an overarching ice age.

Drawing conclusions based on temperature changes of a few decades or even centuries of modern history is not convincing at all.

Your first part is true, global temp changes are normal when we look at the history of the Earth, but these changes happened over a huge timescale. What isn't normal is the incredible speed of the current warming trend, coupled with the spectacular increase in CO2 ppm during the last 150 years. That's what's worrying.

No, your assessment is not correct. There's evidence that temperature changes occurred very rapidly in ancient times as well. This is also quite logical if you consider factors such as land mass movements which ultimately lead to the closure of sea passages and hence sudden changes in sea currents (for example the merging of the North and South American Continent). Changes in Earth ecliptic and sun activity also occur within short time spans.

In addition there are no measurement methods for assessing temperature changes on a micro timescale in the past. Research is limited to determining mean temperatures over extended periods of time. Therefore it's well possible that wild swings and rapid increases/decreases in temperature occurred in the past as well.
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December 13, 2016, 02:50:34 PM
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When you are taking about global climate cycles is the 29 years of the above graph an appropriate sample size?

I would say not.

During the past 50 years, the global temperatures have increased by more than one degree Celsius. At no point of time in the past, did the temperature increased by this much in such a short a short duration. Still believe that this global warming is a hoax?


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December 13, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
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It's almost funny that every other day, according to anonymint at least, the sky is falling in cryptoland and the end times are always nigh.  There's always a fatal flaw in the fundamental concept of crypto that only he knows how to fix, or a hostile takeover from rogue elements that only his mighty logic can save us from.  But when it comes to something real, credible and tangible, like climate change, suddenly it's all a big conspiracy and he's here to tell us we shouldn't take it seriously.   Roll Eyes

I say almost funny, but on a serious note, we should be concerned about his mental health.  I don't know if it's too many meds, or not enough, but something isn't right there.  Literally every thread amounts to "Hey everyone I've been pondering this issue and finally have a solution that no one will find fault with because I'll just talk over them and post more links supporting my entirely myopic viewpoint so don't even try to argue because I'm always right and it's the fault of communists blah blah blah".  

Post, rinse, repeat.

Sure, the earth undoubtedly goes through cycles of perfectly natural climate change, but to seriously believe human beings have had zero influence on that is just unconstrained denial of reality and consequence.  Maybe it's not just anonymint losing the plot, but hardcore libertarians in general.  This thread sound much like the anti-vaxxer thread, in that people genuinely believe they can continue to act like selfish and greedy egomaniacs by pretending that cause and effect isn't a real thing.  News flash, your choices affect others.  

Bottom line is, you're putting others at risk by turning yourself into an incubator and carrier by not vaccinating yourself.  This seems like yet another one of those things where hardcore libertarians somehow think they can still live and function within a society but only give a shit about themselves.  Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.  Go live in a cave somewhere or find a deserted island if you're that desperate to remove yourself from the rest of civilisation.  You don't get to take all the benefits but none of the accompanying responsibility.

Same thing applies to climate change.  Things keep going the way they are, coastal towns end up underwater, unexpected heatwaves kill, freak storms increase in intensity to more dangerous levels.  People's lives are destroyed.  Libertarianism means everyone is free to make their own choices, provided those choices aren't forcing other people to lose their freedoms.  It seems some people are very quick to forget that last part.  Libertarianism doesn't mean you have permission to be a self obsessed lunatic and completely disregard society as a whole.

The simple fact is, you're too busy thinking about your own freedom to care about anyone else's.

And you think it's the millenials who are the spoiled brats?   Roll Eyes

I'm not saying for a second that government can be trusted for all things, but someone has to keep you crackpots in check, so until someone comes up with a better solution, I'm happy for the government to take care of you (when they put you in a padded cell).

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December 13, 2016, 11:27:51 PM
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Global temperature changes and even wild fluctuations are a completely normal thing if you look at the history of Earth. Such effects are caused by various cosmic (ecliptic, sun activity, cosmic radiation) and earthly factors (land mass distribution, sea currents, mountains -> wind changes). The global temperature was a lot higher than today during hundreds of million years. We are currently living within a temporarily warm period within an overarching ice age.

Drawing conclusions based on temperature changes of a few decades or even centuries of modern history is not convincing at all.

Your first part is true, global temp changes are normal when we look at the history of the Earth, but these changes happened over a huge timescale. What isn't normal is the incredible speed of the current warming trend, coupled with the spectacular increase in CO2 ppm during the last 150 years. That's what's worrying.

No, your assessment is not correct. There's evidence that temperature changes occurred very rapidly in ancient times as well. This is also quite logical if you consider factors such as land mass movements which ultimately lead to the closure of sea passages and hence sudden changes in sea currents (for example the merging of the North and South American Continent). Changes in Earth ecliptic and sun activity also occur within short time spans.

In addition there are no measurement methods for assessing temperature changes on a micro timescale in the past. Research is limited to determining mean temperatures over extended periods of time. Therefore it's well possible that wild swings and rapid increases/decreases in temperature occurred in the past as well.

OK, first show me evidence that temperature changes in ancient times occurred as rapidly as they are now. Bonus points if you can tell me the CO2 ppm at the time.

Your second point doesn't make sense because you seem to have contradicted your first point. How can there be evidence for such rapid changes, if there are no measurement methods for the changes?

Pick one, and we'll discuss it.

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December 14, 2016, 02:55:23 AM
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Mammoth steak. Preserved in the ice from 39,000 years ago. Readily edible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2358695/Woolly-mammoth-frozen-Siberia-39-000-YEARS-goes-display-Tokyo-woolly.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/611035/Scientists-bring-woolly-mammoth-back-LIFE-discovery
https://www.rt.com/news/200215-mammoth-moscow-yuka-lion/

That's gotta be a fast freeze to freeze something as big as a mammoth so that you could eat it after 39,000 years.

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December 14, 2016, 07:58:20 PM
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Just put another CO2 releasing log on the fire. It's cold tonight.

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