Ballon d'Or discussion and odds

[FanEagle]

I do think that the majority of every football fan do believe that Haaland will get this but we should also remember that not every year the one that deserves it the most ended up getting it. Lets realize that Messi won the world cup and the world of football may want to give him the reward one last time.

Not that I would be bold enough to say that he deserved it more than Haaland, that dude was the core piece and the highest scorer of a team that won the premier league, fa cup and UCL all on the same season which could be one of the hardest things ever and not many teams has done it for a long time. But at the same time not everyone who deserves it gets it like I said, which means that we are going to see Messi having a possibility of winning this one as well and should be thought about when betting if you are betting on this.

[temple]

I do think that the majority of every football fan do believe that Haaland will get this but we should also remember that not every year the one that deserves it the most ended up getting it. Lets realize that Messi won the world cup and the world of football may want to give him the reward one last time.

Not that I would be bold enough to say that he deserved it more than Haaland, that dude was the core piece and the highest scorer of a team that won the premier league, fa cup and UCL all on the same season which could be one of the hardest things ever and not many teams has done it for a long time. But at the same time not everyone who deserves it gets it like I said, which means that we are going to see Messi having a possibility of winning this one as well and should be thought about when betting if you are betting on this.

I think you mentioned an important issue here and that is the lobby of Messi in the world is still bigger. But he also really won something and it has always been a pleasure to watch him play. I agree that Haaland rocked all competitions and it's a pity that Norway most likely won't make it very far in a World Cup in the foreseeable future. This puts him at a disadvantage every few years when this award is given. But I think I would be ok with any of these two guys to get the reward. I don't think it would feel like betrayal or anything as both have done incredible things in that season and Haaland deserves it a bit more, but Messi wouldn't be a bad winner.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yes I know what you mean and with all that can you still trust that FIFA, which is the biggest federation for football can always prioritize fairness in assessing the greatness of players who are entitled to this title?

We all believe Haaland will be superior and more worthy of the Ballon d'Or title for this year.

We all know how corrupt FIFA is and how they carry out massive corruption. But what can we do? Are there other World Football Federations besides FIFA? We don't believe it but in the end everything will be recorded in history. Maybe those of us who have seen the CR and LM era know about this but what about future generations? In the end, the most realistic possibility is that Messi will win the trophy again and it will be next year before players like Haaland or Osimhen have the opportunity to get the Ballon D'or.

The truth seems to me that these things are quite obvious, we all know that the undisputed winner must be Haaland, no matter who else, but we don't know if the plans will change from one moment to the next, let's remember that FIFA is as you say, It is very corrupt, it is still seen that corruption still exists, it is not worth saying too much, but what has been speculated in UEFA with Barcelona's victories, which are quite speculative, since many think that in fact they did cheat managers, some referees have already come out saying yes, they were bribed, then in this order of ideas we can think wrong, the FIFA World Cup was also highly criticized, where it is said that it had a lot of help from the president of FIFA, The Dutch soccer federation said it through Van Gaal, and even though that was for me the best match in the world, I think ARGENTINA won it based on its own effort and dedication, I didn't see any trap there, but later One of those games began with the controverse.

After all these things, now the VAR, which is one of the elements that is used to avoid cheating, I don't like the rule that if the main referee does not consider not seeing the VAR, it is not Reviewed, that seems very bad to me, because That lends itself to an act of Absolute performance , so There can be traps there, at least in the last World Cup qualifiers in South America, I felt that they robbed my country, so if they do it here, which is for a World Cup qualifier What can you expect for the major world trophies, in this case the gold medal? What would happen if Messi took it? and they give it to him so that he doesn't retire yet, but yes, it could happen because if they put Messi in and they took out CR7, then isn't this a preference on the part of FIFA? Although the Ballon d'Or is not so decisive, it should be taken seriously, because I still Remember that when they stole the Ballon d'Or from Lewa and precisely gave it to Messi.

[Rampagoe004]

After all these things, now the VAR, which is one of the elements that is used to avoid cheating, I don't like the rule that if the main referee does not consider not seeing the VAR, it is not Reviewed, that seems very bad to me, because That lends itself to an act of Absolute performance

I'm confused about that too. I mean why if the main referee doesn't consider looking at VAR then it won't be reviewed? I know that some of the reasons are that if the referee requires VAR to look every time a controversy occurs, then it is certain that the match will last longer than usual. But I think FIFA should also make definite rules about that. This is too vague. I'm not too familiar with VAR rules technically but I think this still leaves a bit of confusion in my head.

[Hirose UK]

Yes I know what you mean and with all that can you still trust that FIFA, which is the biggest federation for football can always prioritize fairness in assessing the greatness of players who are entitled to this title?

We all believe Haaland will be superior and more worthy of the Ballon d'Or title for this year.

We all know how corrupt FIFA is and how they carry out massive corruption. But what can we do? Are there other World Football Federations besides FIFA? We don't believe it but in the end everything will be recorded in history. Maybe those of us who have seen the CR and LM era know about this but what about future generations? In the end, the most realistic possibility is that Messi will win the trophy again and it will be next year before players like Haaland or Osimhen have the opportunity to get the Ballon D'or.

Hahaha, those who have power will always prioritize their own stomachs or in other words seek profit at any cost to always have certain amount of money from all available opportunities.
I don't know what actually happened in the parliament governing the world football association or FIFA so that there are so many people who are starting to distrust every FIFA decision but indeed so far FIFA is considered bad in any assessment one of which is the Ballon d'Or.

For the development of football there are several things that are quite good and supported by all football fans and there are also some decisions that are considered unfair so that in the future FIFA must be able to change the way they evaluate players who are entitled to Ballon d'Or.
Even last year when Messi became the holder of this title star player Ronaldo was not included in the list of 30 candidates for players who could have the opportunity to win the Ballon d'Or.

In the future it looks like there will be several new names that might be included in the list made by FIFA like last year with 15 new names for the candidate list.

[Xxmodded]

We all know how corrupt FIFA is and how they carry out massive corruption. But what can we do? Are there other World Football Federations besides FIFA? We don't believe it but in the end everything will be recorded in history. Maybe those of us who have seen the CR and LM era know about this but what about future generations? In the end, the most realistic possibility is that Messi will win the trophy again and it will be next year before players like Haaland or Osimhen have the opportunity to get the Ballon D'or.

FIFA have bad reputation exactly about corruption, they looks arrogant when making some competition change without looking aspect or agreement with players or not like move FIFA World Cup 2022 In Qatar about matches schedule from middle year to end year. For Lionel Messi adn Cristiano Ronaldo era we see many fact about bad or not fair about who have been the winner of Ballon D'or. As Cristiano Ronaldo fans many of them disagree when Lionel Messi winning Ballon D'or but have the same disagreement when Ronaldo become the winner of Ballon D'or.

[temple]

The truth seems to me that these things are quite obvious, we all know that the undisputed winner must be Haaland, no matter who else, but we don't know if the plans will change from one moment to the next, let's remember that FIFA is as you say, It is very corrupt, it is still seen that corruption still exists, it is not worth saying too much, but what has been speculated in UEFA with Barcelona's victories, which are quite speculative, since many think that in fact they did cheat managers, some referees have already come out saying yes, they were bribed, then in this order of ideas we can think wrong, the FIFA World Cup was also highly criticized, where it is said that it had a lot of help from the president of FIFA, The Dutch soccer federation said it through Van Gaal, and even though that was for me the best match in the world, I think ARGENTINA won it based on its own effort and dedication, I didn't see any trap there, but later One of those games began with the controverse.

After all these things, now the VAR, which is one of the elements that is used to avoid cheating, I don't like the rule that if the main referee does not consider not seeing the VAR, it is not Reviewed, that seems very bad to me, because That lends itself to an act of Absolute performance , so There can be traps there, at least in the last World Cup qualifiers in South America, I felt that they robbed my country, so if they do it here, which is for a World Cup qualifier What can you expect for the major world trophies, in this case the gold medal? What would happen if Messi took it? and they give it to him so that he doesn't retire yet, but yes, it could happen because if they put Messi in and they took out CR7, then isn't this a preference on the part of FIFA? Although the Ballon d'Or is not so decisive, it should be taken seriously, because I still Remember that when they stole the Ballon d'Or from Lewa and precisely gave it to Messi.

You are saying a lot of important things here, but if this is still valid, I would like to quote how the selection for the 2023 Ballon d'Or voting format works:

!The Ballon d'Or victor is decided by 100 journalists from FIFA's 100 top-ranked member nations. Each journalist makes their top five picks from the 30-man shortlist, with each ranking earning a different points value/number of votes.

First: Six points
Second: Four points
Third: Three points
Fourth: Two points
Fifth: One point
As you'd expect, the player who picks up the most points in voting is named that year's Ballon d'Or victor."

This means it is the journalists who make their picks and I think that once a player established so much prestige and influence in the world of football, and maybe the kids of those journalists are Messi fans, the chance for Messi to get voted over Haaland is quite big. Messi's style is unmatched whereas Haaland's scoring statistics at his age are unmatched. But when journalists can choose, it is almost safe to say that there is a highly subjective element involved in the process. It is also about likability and simply when people are fans of Messi and are in a position to cast a vote, it is normal that they will cast their vote for Messi. Maybe a more independent jury is needed.

[mamesso]

~Snip~

I think you mentioned an important issue here and that is the lobby of Messi in the world is still bigger. But he also really won something and it has always been a pleasure to watch him play. I agree that Haaland rocked all competitions and it's a pity that Norway most likely won't make it very far in a World Cup in the foreseeable future. This puts him at a disadvantage every few years when this award is given. But I think I would be ok with any of these two guys to get the reward. I don't think it would feel like betrayal or anything as both have done incredible things in that season and Haaland deserves it a bit more, but Messi wouldn't be a bad winner.

Haaland or Messi, both really deserve the Ballon D'or based on their contribution to the team they play for. Haaland played quite well for Manchester City, he was an important actor in Manchester City's success in winning the treble winner last season. Meanwhile, Messi did not help PSG much, but his role for the Argentine national team allowed him to extend the record for most wins to eight. Whoever wins the Ballon D'Or from these two names, there is nothing wrong in the process of determining the winner this time, because both of them have played a big role in the success of the team they played for in winning the prestigious title.

[DaNNy001]

This means it is the journalists who make their picks and I think that once a player established so much prestige and influence in the world of football, and maybe the kids of those journalists are Messi fans, the chance for Messi to get voted over Haaland is quite big. Messi's style is unmatched whereas Haaland's scoring statistics at his age are unmatched. But when journalists can choose, it is almost safe to say that there is a highly subjective element involved in the process. It is also about likability and simply when people are fans of Messi and are in a position to cast a vote, it is normal that they will cast their vote for Messi. Maybe a more independent jury is needed.

This is exactly my take and taught on this particular system of voting when it comes to the ballon Dior award, there is too much that point out that the whole system need to be trashed out or needs more independent jury. I don't know of this year award but I think it's fair to say that either Messi or halland deceive it because of the achievement that they have enquired for this year of their football career, but aside from this year competition,there are cases of players who deserved the award much more than the FAMOUS TWO but because of the cheap nature of the voting system the award was given to either RONALDO or MESSI

[temple]

~Snip~

I think you mentioned an important issue here and that is the lobby of Messi in the world is still bigger. But he also really won something and it has always been a pleasure to watch him play. I agree that Haaland rocked all competitions and it's a pity that Norway most likely won't make it very far in a World Cup in the foreseeable future. This puts him at a disadvantage every few years when this award is given. But I think I would be ok with any of these two guys to get the reward. I don't think it would feel like betrayal or anything as both have done incredible things in that season and Haaland deserves it a bit more, but Messi wouldn't be a bad winner.

Haaland or Messi, both really deserve the Ballon D'or based on their contribution to the team they play for. Haaland played quite well for Manchester City, he was an important actor in Manchester City's success in winning the treble winner last season. Meanwhile, Messi did not help PSG much, but his role for the Argentine national team allowed him to extend the record for most wins to eight. Whoever wins the Ballon D'Or from these two names, there is nothing wrong in the process of determining the winner this time, because both of them have played a big role in the success of the team they played for in winning the prestigious title.

You say that Messi did not help PSG much, but how do you explain that Messi was the second best scorer in Ligue 1 with I think 1 point behind Mbappe? Do you call that "not much of a help"? I think that is a huge exaggeration and Messi did contribute a lot to PSG's small successes, but they did not win the Champions League and this is what the fans blame him for, which is of course ridiculous.

I like them both Haaland and Messi and since I am a fan of Messi, I would still be happy for him if he wins it, but if Haaland is the chosen one, I would also say tha the right player received the award.

[Godday]

You say that Messi did not help PSG much, but how do you explain that Messi was the second best scorer in Ligue 1 with I think 1 point behind Mbappe? Do you call that "not much of a help"? I think that is a huge exaggeration and Messi did contribute a lot to PSG's small successes, but they did not win the Champions League and this is what the fans blame him for, which is of course ridiculous.

I like them both Haaland and Messi and since I am a fan of Messi, I would still be happy for him if he wins it, but if Haaland is the chosen one, I would also say tha the right player received the award.

Sometimes I'm surprised by the people who say bad things about Messi. What this means is that FIFA may appear to support Messi, but can Messi then be criticized and said that he is incompetent? I agree with some of the users' arguments about whether or not Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or this year. Messi is a great player. People don't like seeing Messi because he is a Ronaldo fan? Seriously, I love these two legends and I'm happy to be able to live in their era.

[cytpoway121]

I do think that the majority of every football fan do believe that Haaland will get this but we should also remember that not every year the one that deserves it the most ended up getting it. Lets realize that Messi won the world cup and the world of football may want to give him the reward one last time.
 

One thing about the Balon d'or is that it is a sentimental award; it doesnt necessarily satisfy and rewards based on activity on the football pitch; but rather on the sentiments of voters who are (country captains, club captains, journalists etc). Who ever wins between Haaland and Messi; just know they got the most votes

[Rampagoe004]

One thing about the Balon d'or is that it is a sentimental award; it doesnt necessarily satisfy and rewards based on activity on the football pitch; but rather on the sentiments of voters who are (country captains, club captains, journalists etc). Who ever wins between Haaland and Messi; just know they got the most votes

That's true. However, what makes the Ballon D'Or selection crucial is because those who win the Ballon D'Or will go down in history as the best players in the world that year. Elections may be sentimental but what happens after winning is what matters. Perhaps the Ballon D'Or is the only best player award that is very influential for a player to be known. I have rarely come across a best player award like the Ballon D'Or in other sports. Or maybe it's just me who doesn't know yet?

[Cookdata]

You say that Messi did not help PSG much, but how do you explain that Messi was the second best scorer in Ligue 1 with I think 1 point behind Mbappe? Do you call that "not much of a help"? I think that is a huge exaggeration and Messi did contribute a lot to PSG's small successes, but they did not win the Champions League and this is what the fans blame him for, which is of course ridiculous.

I like them both Haaland and Messi and since I am a fan of Messi, I would still be happy for him if he wins it, but if Haaland is the chosen one, I would also say tha the right player received the award.

Sometimes I'm surprised by the people who say bad things about Messi. What this means is that FIFA may appear to support Messi, but can Messi then be criticized and said that he is incompetent? I agree with some of the users' arguments about whether or not Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or this year. Messi is a great player. People don't like seeing Messi because he is a Ronaldo fan? Seriously, I love these two legends and I'm happy to be able to live in their era.

People will say anything they want about you if you are humble, don't talk much or brag about your position, this is the kind of person Messi is and that's why people say whatever they like about him, more often than not the negative aspect. Messi is the kind of player that don't say lots about himself whenever he is been asked about players of all time but if they should redirect that question to Ronaldo, he will be quick to say he is the best player ever had but man forgot that football doesn't start and end with goals, Messi had everything you need as a footballer and that is settled when he won the World Cup.

I'm not an oracle but this Ballon D'or is going home with Messi, Halaand deserve one but he wouldn't get hold of it, not this year maybe after this and probably there is going to be some kind of special reward they will give him the way they did to Mane after been ranked in the second place in the 2022 Ballon Dór award night. The world cup is the only thing that is giving Messi this advantage over Halaand and this could be his last because he is no longer focus on Europe any longer.

[temple]

You say that Messi did not help PSG much, but how do you explain that Messi was the second best scorer in Ligue 1 with I think 1 point behind Mbappe? Do you call that "not much of a help"? I think that is a huge exaggeration and Messi did contribute a lot to PSG's small successes, but they did not win the Champions League and this is what the fans blame him for, which is of course ridiculous.

I like them both Haaland and Messi and since I am a fan of Messi, I would still be happy for him if he wins it, but if Haaland is the chosen one, I would also say tha the right player received the award.

Sometimes I'm surprised by the people who say bad things about Messi. What this means is that FIFA may appear to support Messi, but can Messi then be criticized and said that he is incompetent? I agree with some of the users' arguments about whether or not Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or this year. Messi is a great player. People don't like seeing Messi because he is a Ronaldo fan? Seriously, I love these two legends and I'm happy to be able to live in their era.

Well said as there is nothing to complain about when Messi wins another FIFA award or Ballon D'Or. The point is that Messi has countless of fans around the world and also among journalists and football officials from the large associations. It is quite normal that at some point his reputation and recognition is set in stone and people love him for how he still played and how he has played in the past. Psychologically I understand when is hardcore fans feel that he should become it again and honestly, I think Messi is still the best player in the world who now lacks speed. But his skills as a player on the pitch are unmatched in my opinion.

[Rampagoe004]

The point is that Messi has countless of fans around the world and also among journalists and football officials from the large associations. It is quite normal that at some point his reputation and recognition is set in stone and people love him for how he still played and how he has played in the past. Psychologically I understand when is hardcore fans feel that he should become it again and honestly, I think Messi is still the best player in the world who now lacks speed. But his skills as a player on the pitch are unmatched in my opinion.

Regardless of FIFA playing a role here to help Messi or not, another factor that determines the Ballon D'Or is the voting of selected players, coaches, legends and sports journalists from around the world. If we talk about fans, maybe Ronaldo is number one because he has the most followers in the world on Instagram. However, it could be that more people who voted supported Messi than Ronaldo. Yes, whatever it is, I think Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or even though there is a bit of controversy there.

[Oluwa-btc]

The point is that Messi has countless of fans around the world and also among journalists and football officials from the large associations. It is quite normal that at some point his reputation and recognition is set in stone and people love him for how he still played and how he has played in the past. Psychologically I understand when is hardcore fans feel that he should become it again and honestly, I think Messi is still the best player in the world who now lacks speed. But his skills as a player on the pitch are unmatched in my opinion.

Regardless of FIFA playing a role here to help Messi or not, another factor that determines the Ballon D'Or is the voting of selected players, coaches, legends and sports journalists from around the world. If we talk about fans, maybe Ronaldo is number one because he has the most followers in the world on Instagram. However, it could be that more people who voted supported Messi than Ronaldo. Yes, whatever it is, I think Messi deserves the Ballon D'Or even though there is a bit of controversy there.

I do feel like it has to come from the number of goals scored and work rate in a single season but everything has changed to voting. If voting be the case then, Lionel Messi would have the upper hand in the case of voting. He won the FIFA World Cup Competition, won La Liga and had the best contribution in the World Cup.

Erling Haaland has scored too many goals, won all three Competitions broke so many records in his first season in the Premier League, it would be great to see someone finally meeting up with Cristiano Ronaldo being the only Ballon d'or award winner in the Premier League.
Anyways, Lionel Messi for me, he deserves it.

[LUCKMCFLY]

After all these things, now the VAR, which is one of the elements that is used to avoid cheating, I don't like the rule that if the main referee does not consider not seeing the VAR, it is not Reviewed, that seems very bad to me, because That lends itself to an act of Absolute performance

I'm confused about that too. I mean why if the main referee doesn't consider looking at VAR then it won't be reviewed? I know that some of the reasons are that if the referee requires VAR to look every time a controversy occurs, then it is certain that the match will last longer than usual. But I think FIFA should also make definite rules about that. This is too vague. I'm not too familiar with VAR rules technically but I think this still leaves a bit of confusion in my head.

The thing is that this is what they are considering now, in the World Cup qualifiers in South America things are being like this right now, which seems to me to be not the norm, I don't like it, and it lends itself to corruption, so on the one hand It hurts and on the other hand it harms, because if they invented and accepted the VAR they must use it, because that is what it is for, no human being has the accuracy of what they have, in this sense what we can do is that it can have more visibility, and Furthermore, the good thing about VAR is that it is shown to everyone, and you can see and be a participant that there is no type of trap, it is because things began to be shown a lot with so much transparency, because things can move if they don't. They were in favor of it, then they began to complain and unfortunately FIFA listened to them and they were able to take that step.

Now, things with the Ballon d'Or can move that way too, many speculate that the undisputed winner will be Haaland, but it is not ruled out that it could be Messi, although I think that could be a sign of great impudence, but we are accustomed to this in FIFA, I think that when things are treated how to do so that they can generate more negative comments, I hope that things improve, because the reputation they have is quite cruel, and well, we all know that the most The best thing he has done to receive the prize is the Viking, however we have to wait, I'm not sure, but another winner could come out there, which could leave us totally disconcerted regarding their opinions, and returning to the VAR Well , they should be a little more transparent, because obviously things are not very clear, this is just what I think , I know that many can think like that, or others can maybe hope that Messi is there , but I don't see it anymore like the first one, because obviously they are not there to do Things like that and tarnish the good path of fútbol.

[Rampagoe004]

Erling Haaland has scored too many goals, won all three Competitions broke so many records in his first season in the Premier League, it would be great to see someone finally meeting up with Cristiano Ronaldo being the only Ballon d'or award winner in the Premier League.
Anyways, Lionel Messi for me, he deserves it.

Wait, is it true that only Cristiano has ever won the Ballon D'Or from the Premier League? I haven't gotten any information like that. But if that is true then this will be biased because what is called the Best League in the world does not have many players who have won the Ballon D'Or. For me, Haaland deserves it, but Messi also had extraordinary achievements last season. So this will probably be our competition. Let's just wait for the voting results.
And it looks like the Ballon D'Or awards will be held on October 30 (CMIIW) and there are only a few days left to add to our discussion list here.

[Slow death]

A few minutes ago I saw this post by Fabrizio Romano on his Instagram:

𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆: Leo Messi, expected to win the 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝’𝐎𝐫 2023 — indications confirmed ✨

It will be the historical 𝟖𝐭𝐡 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝’𝐎𝐫 for Messi 🇦🇷

Official decision to be announced on Monday night in Paris at Théâtre du Châtelet for Ballon d’Or Gala.

source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy0xd86oQt9/

It seems that Messi will win once again, this will probably be his last victory, but it will be something to go down in history and I highly doubt that the next talented players who have at least the same level as Messi, will not be able to have as many 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝'𝐎𝐫 like Messi. It seems to me that it will take many, long years before we see a player like Messi, there was Ronaldinho Gaucho in the past, but he didn't manage to win many 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝'𝐎𝐫, he only managed to win just 1 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝'𝐎𝐫 and looking at the current players I would say that we will hardly see them winning the same player consecutively or having many 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝'𝐎𝐫

As soon as Messi and Ronaldo retire, then the game will be much more competitive because all the players will be at the same level, there will no longer be a player who is much superior to the rest of the players, and the attention of the news channels will also no longer be the same. Same as now that there's still Messi. That's why it will be something historic if Messi wins again against 𝐁𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐧 𝐝’𝐎𝐫