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January 24, 2020, 03:07:01 AM
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If my BSV investment goes 10x 500$ price i will go holiday to Philippines to check it out, i was thinking el Nido and Coron, do you recommend other places my friend nutildah?
And for how long i should i stay?
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January 24, 2020, 06:32:17 AM
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English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English.


That's not been my experience.  So far everyone I've met seems to be able to communicate satisfactorily with other Filipinos in Tagalog.  I don't speak Tagalog so I only say this judging by the interactions between people who have two different mother languages.   I've met a lot of people who are not able (or at least willing) to communicate in English.

Even the people who are quite fluent in English will almost never recognize or appreciate linguistic nuances and things which make communications fun and interesting.  It's a little to much to ask though, especially since I've been unable to make myself even try to learn Tagalog.

Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.

The city I'm in now (which I won't name) has reasonable traffic.  Also a ton of decent school options which was a selling point.  Clean air as well.  I've not been through a years worth of weather, and I'm getting used to the climate now also, but it quite tolerable so far and down-right pleasant at times.  I'm from the Pacific Northwest and am more comfortable in much cooler weather.  I'm also comfortable getting hit by raindrops which to many Filipinos is a terrifying experience.  It's the weirdest thing.  Really annoying to sometimes as people struggle with an umbrella to cross the street.  I mean literally!

I have come to the point where I genuinely enjoy driving when I'm actually doing it.  The rules of the road are very much different.  Since I had an undergrad course in transportation engineering and have an idea of the various mathematical formulas which dictate traffic flow rates it's fascinating to see how the 'other way' works, and I believe that it's actually somewhat more efficient than orderly stop-lights and so on.  One has to have laser-like focus when driving here, though, because of the various hazards and the ever-present danger of hitting someone.  After an hour or two of driving I'm very much ready to do something else.

Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.

The politics is definitely and interesting study.  There are related events which nobody I've talked to and no reporting that I've heard even attempt to tie together.  The Duterte presidency has made some shock waves and I sense that it has thrown almost everyone off-balance (and put a fair number of people 6 feet under as well.)


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January 24, 2020, 07:06:54 AM
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Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.

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January 24, 2020, 09:38:03 AM
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Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.

Of what 'amenities' do you speak specifically?

'Top of the world' means next to nothing for Joe Sixpack these days.  Worse than nothing actually since it paints a big 'milk me' sign on the his back.  Extracting maximum production out of a herd (e.g., mainlining them with hormones) can be harmful to individual health, and the average life expectancy in the U.S. has already peaked and is on the way down.  For 'white males' currently but I expect most other major cohorts to follow.

World suicide rate rank:

  U.S.:  #34
  Philippines: #159

That should tell something about life in a society.

To say the truth, I find Filipinos to be more 'normal' as humans go compared to large swaths of the middle/upper-middle class in the more 'developed western liberal democracies'.  That's not necessarily a good or bad thing, and it can be plenty aggravating, but it's probably better than the alternative.


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January 26, 2020, 05:35:17 AM
Last edit: June 24, 2022, 01:21:28 PM by nutildah
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In the places I used to live in America there were so many senseless quarrels about nothing which I can't help but think only arise from the lack of having real problems. Most such problems aren't even fathomable for much of the American middle class.

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January 31, 2020, 12:00:35 AM
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The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

They don't get it unless you tell them what the average wage is. I will tell you the avg wage in mine, so you can jump of joy of the richness you are living in: 5 USD a month. Only a decade ago, i used to earn 250 USD a month. Same job, in the same company, is paying right now about 5 USD. I had to quit when it was around 10 USD, was paying more in public transport.

I found that committing myself to an internet job was the only choice, and here i am. We are survivors, except the select Elite close to the guys in power.

In 2010 i didn't think i would ever suffer such poverty, i should have committed all my savings from that job into bitcoin. Too late... If we had seasons, most of us would die in winter. I have an acquaintance with the theory that is the very reason poverty reigns in the tropics, we are just too lazy. When your country goes down the poverty drain, all the others close the doors. Americans and Europeans don't understand this, they just can't imagine how people are forced to ask for a visa and pay a fortune for the permission to visit a country a week or two. And how do you meet people that might employ you overseas when you are not even allowed to enter in the first place? and how are you going to ever afford the ticket when you are also forbidden to work the time you stay there?

When 9a-5p 5-6 days a week job nets you 5 USD a month, how exactly do you think someone can afford things like cars or such?

And i think i'm better than the average, at least i inherited a place to live (parents still living there too). Internet stopped working 2 years ago, i still miss the days when i could leisure watch youtube videos, i'm forced to use a capped mobile that cannot be expanded, people are forced to use 600mb a month and then pay A LOT more per byte. But to me no internet = no food (literally).

In this distorted economy where competition is rare and State power overreaching, the few that import goods charge at least twice of what you would pay in your rich countries. So not only do we earn a misery, to buy your products we would need to pay 2 or 3 times more. Oh you people don't really know how a gov can ruin a country, no no no, in your lifetimes you never will, probably.

"Because of politics i wish to leave a 3rd world country" Or actually i wish the politicians would leave the country.

Incidentally you could live here A MONTH with 10 USD, hey that's TWICE the average wage... I think Filipinos should send us aid, you guys are so rich Tongue

We DO have something else in common: we also used to be a Spanish colony. Maybe that left something bad in our culture, since the former British colonies next door seem to be faring MUCH better... Or the Westminster system is truly superior to our "President" is the absolute ruler nonsense. Who knows?

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February 01, 2020, 01:27:57 PM
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MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!



third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.

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third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.

People are, you know, like people 'n shit.

One does either need to have money to burn down here or be on their toes.  Some combination of both is good.  I find the difference in the people, such as it is, to be refreshing in a way.

Nobody has yet threatened me with violence or any such thing, but I always expect that possibility and take appropriate measures.  People do absolutely try to overcharge me for stuff.  Normally I just pay it because the cost is still absurdly cheap by my standards.  Normally they lose money because I would have given them a tip which is higher than to overcharge anyway.  A vast majority of people do NOT try to cheat me or overcharge me.

The funniest thing is that when someone does some sort of a blatant over-charge or other attempt to get a little extra money they seem to feel so good about how clever they are for 'fooling the dumb foreigner' even when it is blatantly obvious and ham-handed.  They seem to assume that I won't or don't notice.  It's so pathetic that it's almost 'cute' in a funny way.  My means and the scope of my life experiences is radically beyond what most of the people can really conceptualize that it's sort of feels like I'm in a different world.

I can only speak for myself and my own situation, but I find it fine down here.  I'm planning to stay (here in The Philippines or in some equally 'third-world' country if I have to move) until there is some light at the end of the tunnel for my home country (the U.S.).  That probably means I'll not go back sadly enough.

It helps that I spend a great deal of time in the Bitcoin ecosystem as it has evolved.  The Bitcoin ecosystem makes The Philippines seem like Japan when it comes to flakiness and dishonesty.


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February 02, 2020, 06:40:47 AM
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I had never considered Zambia.  If this guy is representative then I probably should.


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