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[nutildah]

sold my booklet of stamps

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Good luck.

[olubams]

Your arguments are valid but I want you to understand before taking that decision so you wont be frustrated afterall in the sense that what you are running away from is even staring at you in the face and there is nothing you can do about it. Oppression by the rich over the poor is the same in all climes of the society and because irrespective of where we find ourselves, people will always be people. So I will suggest you stop fighting to change the system why not try to be yourself and influence the little you can and stop worrying about the rest. By this you have peace with yourself.

[clickerz]

Well, that is a good choice if you are settling in th Philippines. First contact or join a group of expats living in Philippines for community support. You can have a job in BPO, as most of this are American companies having their offices in Philippines serving the US and European markets. Remember, Philippines is having a War on Drugs now, be very informed about this.

[Jordan23]

Another crybaby, excuse making social justice warrior down the drain. See ya!

[nutildah]

sold an acorn

[BADecker]

Generally speaking, moving to the Philippines is a step in the direction of slavery. Why? Their government is a civil law government. This means that it is formally a government that is a dictator by government.

A far better choice would be Belize, if you like Philippines-like climate. It is common law, where the basic rule of law is the 12-person jury, like the United States or Great Britain or Canada.

Rather than moving, why not seek to spread the knowledge of the power of the 12-person jury in the United States, and help to convert America back into the common law nation that it really is?

[dx5]

It's really not that bad. Corruption is everywhere.

[Spendulus]

MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

Like you mention, it costs a lot more in the USA.  I have to stay here and live and work.  Can you donate to me?  I need the money more than you do?

[iamTom123]

Welcome to my country named Philippines! I am hoping that soon many people -- like veterans and even young ones looking for other opportunities --  to look at the Philippines as a very viable place to live in. We offer a good climate and of course a very friendly culture that can accommodate foreigners well. Not to mention that we can understand English well. People who have the money can easily find someone here as their partners for a thriving business.

[Tyrantt]

If you like to eat good, drink good and socialize, you'd love it in Serbia or any near country. Don't know what you've heard about Serbia but if you have finished some school or have some money saved, you'll love it.

[sergeyzol]

One of the most attractive countries to live is Ukraine. It's all very cheap, good climate and beautiful girl. Only make money in it is problematic. If you have income in their country, and to live in Ukraine, then you will like it.

[Marma Kalari]

One of the most attractive countries to live is Ukraine. It's all very cheap, good climate and beautiful girl. Only make money in it is problematic. If you have income in their country, and to live in Ukraine, then you will like it.

Good to know about Ukraine,the only thing i knew was the Chernobyl disaster, i knew there are beautiful girls but being former USSR i thought the crime rates are high.
Good luck with your migration.I didnt know that people do migrate to live in third world countries because it is less expensive.Is it that hard to find a good job in America ?

[darkangel11]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

[Actualiteit]

You should try some drug dealing there. Heard it's THE upcoming market right now!

[varyspro]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

In Australia is not very favorable climate for people accustomed to a temperate climate. Moving to a country with a different climate can adversely affect health. Before moving think 100 times, will you be able to live there.

[TaunSew]

Limiting your options because of a Girlfriend sounds like a bad move, overall.  There's billions of women in Asia.

There's plenty of bilaterial Holiday Visa agreements between USA and foreign countries, and the age cut off is 30 and sometimes age 35.  Americans can go to Australia and make $33,000 from an ordinary minimum wage job.


There's opportunities to make $1,000 to $2,500 USD a month teaching English in a number of Asian countries.  Granted in Bitcointalk's case, where half the posters are dropouts who somehow stumbled onto a help desk position in the early 2000s, most of you would probably be limited to teaching illegally in China but the underemployed university graduates should look into this option.

[TaunSew]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

Australia has fairly high wages and arguably low cost of living.  You can get a roommate situation for as low as $600 AUD a month and yet make $2,880 a month. 

[v1ryspro]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

Australia has fairly high wages and arguably low cost of living.  You can get a roommate situation for as low as $600 AUD a month and yet make $2,880 a month. 

You speak as if to go to Australia is easy. You tried to live at 40 degrees and 100% humidity? Besides, there are very many poisonous snakes, crocodiles and spiders. In the ocean, sharks and poisonous sea animals, and jellyfish.

[nutildah]

sold a silver dollar

[daiyuba1971]

Generally speaking, moving to the Philippines is a step in the direction of slavery. Why? Their government is a civil law government. This means that it is formally a government that is a dictator by government.

Mmm no, they actually have elections. They genuinely seem sick of their of their drug problem, they don't have capital punishment, so the president told the police force that he would basically look the other way if they had to kill a drug "pusher" in a shootout. No doubt innocent people are among the 6,000+ killed by police and vigilantes since Duterte took office. There's also the strong probability that police are extorting people by saying they are drug dealers when they really aren't, yet Duterte seems to be anti-police corruption as well. All I know is I'm not a drug dealer and I don't look like one. I'm also not hanging around the slums of Manila.

You should try some drug dealing there. Heard it's THE upcoming market right now!

Lol. Ironically, the president is pro-medical marijuana, so maybe I can open a dispensary. Though probably not.

Like you mention, it costs a lot more in the USA.  I have to stay here and live and work.  Can you donate to me?  I need the money more than you do?

The solution is that you move to a cheaper place within the U.S. so that way you can still donate money to me. Problem solved.

Thanks everybody else for your suggestions. Keep em coming! I genuinely like learning about international life experiences. I really should be more of a world traveler but I am already comfortable with the Philippines.

Who let you in the US? Trump has made clear that immigration policy will be tightened. And it is probably correct. In his place I would have invited everyone and settled in the abandoned city.

[BADecker]

Generally speaking, moving to the Philippines is a step in the direction of slavery. Why? Their government is a civil law government. This means that it is formally a government that is a dictator by government.

Mmm no, they actually have elections. They genuinely seem sick of their of their drug problem, they don't have capital punishment, so the president told the police force that he would basically look the other way if they had to kill a drug "pusher" in a shootout. No doubt innocent people are among the 6,000+ killed by police and vigilantes since Duterte took office. There's also the strong probability that police are extorting people by saying they are drug dealers when they really aren't, yet Duterte seems to be anti-police corruption as well. All I know is I'm not a drug dealer and I don't look like one. I'm also not hanging around the slums of Manila.

You should try some drug dealing there. Heard it's THE upcoming market right now!

Lol. Ironically, the president is pro-medical marijuana, so maybe I can open a dispensary. Though probably not.

Like you mention, it costs a lot more in the USA.  I have to stay here and live and work.  Can you donate to me?  I need the money more than you do?

The solution is that you move to a cheaper place within the U.S. so that way you can still donate money to me. Problem solved.

Thanks everybody else for your suggestions. Keep em coming! I genuinely like learning about international life experiences. I really should be more of a world traveler but I am already comfortable with the Philippines.

Who let you in the US? Trump has made clear that immigration policy will be tightened. And it is probably correct. In his place I would have invited everyone and settled in the abandoned city.

Anybody who is fluent in English and understands common law and its usage in the courts, can move to America. He can live and get various jobs all over the place that don't require any Social Security Number. If he is found out, common law will let him beat the system in the courts, and remain in America.

[darkangel11]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

Australia has fairly high wages and arguably low cost of living.  You can get a roommate situation for as low as $600 AUD a month and yet make $2,880 a month. 

You speak as if to go to Australia is easy. You tried to live at 40 degrees and 100% humidity? Besides, there are very many poisonous snakes, crocodiles and spiders. In the ocean, sharks and poisonous sea animals, and jellyfish.

And you're speaking like it's easy to live in cold climate. I had a chance to live in a house heated by a coal furnace with temperatures close to -10*C outside and it's no fun either. Wild boars wolves and foxes sneaking by your house at night, you have to spend a lot of money to heat the house, buy warm clothes, good shoes for winter. Somebody from Australia would probably say "fuck that I prefer my spiders and snakes". As for the humidity I'm in Europe and it's 89% outside (just checked).

[Spendulus]

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Like you mention, it costs a lot more in the USA.  I have to stay here and live and work.  Can you donate to me?  I need the money more than you do?

The solution is that you move to a cheaper place within the U.S. so that way you can still donate money to me. ....

Okay, I see your point.  But you are moving to a cheaper place for good.

How about if I just try living on your money for just a year?  You'll still have all your money for all the other years.  I'll just do one year on your money, then I'll go back to slaving away at stupid jobs. 

Even if wages are lower and cost of living is lower, I am certain you can see your way clear to help me out.  It's just for one year.

If that's too difficult what about six months?

[BADecker]

When they finally get some nations on Mars, these will be the 3rd world nations.

Earth = world 1.
Moon = world 2.
Mars = world 3.

Third-world nations.

[Perle]

I doubt that any private individual wishing to sponsor a whole year of your stay in another country. Look for the state program for migration. It is certainly difficult, but there is a chance.

[Momus]

I'm very happy that i don't live in the "vaccinated" US.

[nutildah]

How about if I just try living on your money for just a year?  You'll still have all your money for all the other years.  I'll just do one year on your money, then I'll go back to slaving away at stupid jobs. 

Even if wages are lower and cost of living is lower, I am certain you can see your way clear to help me out.  It's just for one year.

If that's too difficult what about six months?

LOL. You wouldn't want to live on my money for a year. It's barely a living.

Yeah see that's the thing, I don't think anybody should have to slave away at a stupid job. I feel like we've just been conditioned to accept the life of a worker bee like it's not a problem. Like its natural to bathe in phosphorescent light for 8 hours a day, sitting on your butt, eating fast food, becoming greasy and unhealthy in order to further enrich those who already have a lot of money.

It's not easy to break free of the modern cycle. It's been embarrassing, costly and kind of sad that I'm going to leave all my friends and family behind. But where I live the cost of living is particularly expensive so it makes the decision all the easier. I still have to part with a lot of CDs and DVDs from a lifelong collection. Probably the hardest part.

[Spendulus]

How about if I just try living on your money for just a year?  You'll still have all your money for all the other years.  I'll just do one year on your money, then I'll go back to slaving away at stupid jobs. 

Even if wages are lower and cost of living is lower, I am certain you can see your way clear to help me out.  It's just for one year.

If that's too difficult what about six months?

LOL. You wouldn't want to live on my money for a year. It's barely a living.

Yeah see that's the thing, I don't think anybody should have to slave away at a stupid job. I feel like we've just been conditioned to accept the life of a worker bee like it's not a problem. Like its natural to bathe in phosphorescent light for 8 hours a day, sitting on your butt, eating fast food, becoming greasy and unhealthy in order to further enrich those who already have a lot of money.

It's not easy to break free of the modern cycle. It's been embarrassing, costly and kind of sad that I'm going to leave all my friends and family behind. But where I live the cost of living is particularly expensive so it makes the decision all the easier. I still have to part with a lot of CDs and DVDs from a lifelong collection. Probably the hardest part.

Sure, but look .... I could take a year of your money and spend it in a week, living high, man!  It'd be like a choice.  Then I'd go  bak to the stupid job.  Think of how good you would feel knowing how much fun I had with your money. 

Anyway, like, what?  Your really going to leave all the CDs and DVDs?  Really?

[protokol]

I feel you man, I'm in the UK at the moment, but the monumental fuck up that is Brexit and the Conservatives in power with none other than some fucking cyborg we call Theresa May in charge, has really made me question my place in this country. Sure, we are relatively "safe" here, but the rent/living expenses in the UK are ridiculous, and I'm not a fan of the over-regulation we have in the UK. eg, "Don't walk on the grass, don't drink in the street, no camping here!, if you protest you're now on our "anti-government" list etc.

I'm seriously thinking about moving to SE Asia to teach English or get a job related to my field in music production/DJing or printing. Probably Vietnam, seems like a cool place with nice, cheap food! Either that or maybe somewhere in South America, Peru/Ecuador/Colombia maybe.

Yeah, I get that these sort of countries can be dangerous, and are definitely corrupt. But what's better, corruption at the top of the pyramid (like we have in the UK and USA) where no normal person can influence it? or corruption through the whole system (where you can at least bribe a local police officer to get out of trouble). It seems like the corruption of the poorer countries is fairer on the whole population haha!

[protokol]

It's not easy to break free of the modern cycle. It's been embarrassing, costly and kind of sad that I'm going to leave all my friends and family behind. But where I live the cost of living is particularly expensive so it makes the decision all the easier. I still have to part with a lot of CDs and DVDs from a lifelong collection. Probably the hardest part.

You don't need to part with the content of those CDs and DVDs, just get a few hard drives/SSDs and copy all the media on to them. You can even get software that will compress your DVDs into much smaller video files, and your music into much smaller FLAC or mp3 files. Windows Media Player or VLC will do the CD-MP3 conversion (and to FLAC I think, which is optimum quality), you can download other software to compress and save your DVDs. All you need is a PC or laptop with a DVD drive (and to download DVD compression software from the Internet).

You could even send your discs to a third party to do all of that for you, but they will charge a hefty premium, easy enough to do it yourself IMO (although depending on the size of your collection it could take a few weeks to convert all the media). In my experience, a full CD takes 5-10 minutes, a DVD more like 1/4 hour to 1 hour.

But the beauty is, when you're done you have your whole music and film collection on hard drives, searchable and available within seconds. It's a worthwhile mission IMO. A compressed DVD film should take up no more than 1 GB, a FLAC music album should take up 3-500MB. That means with a couple of 1TB drives you should be able to get at least 1000 movies and 2000 albums. If you have HD films, or want to save the films uncompressed you'd be looking at a bit more storage, but not a lot more.

[The-Accountant]

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

[protokol]

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

[The-Accountant]

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

Go cry a river elsewhere you emotional bitch. OOOOooo really expensive to rent, then get a decent job and stop doping all your money away.

[Sundark]

So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

[protokol]

Good riddance, if that is enough for you to do a runner then run and hope you don't get worse in your next country and that the grass is actually greener on the other side.

"Good riddance" haha you don't even know the guy, no need to disrespect him you fucking dunce. If you've actually travelled to some other countries you'd know that there are some excellent opportunities available for work, quite often with reasonable pay.

Like OP explained, a big problem with many "western"/"developed" countries right now is that rent/houses/living expenses are really expensive compared to wages. Although the wages in underdeveloped countries are generally less, with some good skills and experience you could easily be earning $1-2k a month, and living expenses are a fraction of what they cost in places like the USA and UK. This means you could be getting a better quality of life living somewhere like SE Asia than in the USA, and be saving money to buy a house or similar in the future.

Go cry a river elsewhere you emotional bitch. OOOOooo really expensive to rent, then get a decent job and stop doping all your money away.

Haha, yeah right don't even attempt to intelligently discuss the points I bring up, that would be too much effort am I right?

Just chuck some immasculating ad hominem in there, some capital 'O's and an unsubstantiated accusation of drug use, and you're good to go right?

If you can't formulate any valid rebuttals to what either me or the OP are saying, do us both a favour and fuck off.

[protokol]

So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

I know someone living/working in NZ atm, they really like it there. Beautiful place, I'm hopefully going to see them out there next year.

However the entry requirements for a NZ visa are very strict, like many of the more "developed" countries of the world eg USA/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan/South Korea (basically all the 5 eyes countries, plus the most developed Asian countries. You basically NEED at least a Batchelors degree to get a visa unless you know someone.

Entry requirements for certain SE asian and South American countries are less strict, eg Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam/Taiwan/Mexico/Peru/Colombia and many more. Plus cost of living is incredibly cheap, and wages can be reasonable if you have certain skills. My plan is to do some english teaching in SE Asia, as it pays quite well and you don't need to know the native language.

[fiserman]

Panama is an easy country to get into. I have lived here on a tourist visa for 5 years now. for those of you interested: http://expatriate.space/2016/11/09/residency-options-for-panama/

[darkangel11]

So Philippines is so great compared to all other places you can travel and live? Why not pick New Zealand, because it is more expensive and not 3rd world country?
I still think that US is not that bad place to live even today, wait a bit what will happen under Trump's presidency.

I know someone living/working in NZ atm, they really like it there. Beautiful place, I'm hopefully going to see them out there next year.

However the entry requirements for a NZ visa are very strict, like many of the more "developed" countries of the world eg USA/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan/South Korea (basically all the 5 eyes countries, plus the most developed Asian countries. You basically NEED at least a Batchelors degree to get a visa unless you know someone.

Entry requirements for certain SE asian and South American countries are less strict, eg Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam/Taiwan/Mexico/Peru/Colombia and many more. Plus cost of living is incredibly cheap, and wages can be reasonable if you have certain skills. My plan is to do some english teaching in SE Asia, as it pays quite well and you don't need to know the native language.

I'd recommend you learn some before going there. You may not need to know it at work, but you will have to in the street, unless you're planning to go straight home after work and stay there until morning.

[Gibbar]

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[npredtorch]

Op has a point.  This country does seem to have a huge problem with jackasses.  Some people are jealous of anyone smarter, better looking or happier than them.  These garbage like to harass others, at any rate some of us are not surprised by the huge number of mass shootings.  And to be honest some of this garbage deserves to die.  Why should op be basically run out of his country in pursuit of happiness.

It is not just in America who have jackasses. All places in the world have it, all places that is populated by people. They are everywhere

@OP Since you have already traveled in the Philippines, looks like you also know the things that you might face right after moving out. There is no real problem about it have time to explore, just don't leave all behind and be sure to have a backup plan just in case things weren't met.

[Sithara007]

Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

[TaunSew]

It's the same in the UK. I have a friend, who left the UK because of growing costs of living and moved to Australia. Not really a third world country, but he's really happy there. He used to have a business in the UK and couldn't afford anything besides a typical daily life, so if you're thinking of moving to Europe from the US, think twice.
As for the Philippines I also have a friend who lives there and he spends most of his year working abroad in Australia and Germany as a salesman. He said to me once that it's very hard to live and work in his country and people usually live in poverty or work abroad.

Australia has fairly high wages and arguably low cost of living.  You can get a roommate situation for as low as $600 AUD a month and yet make $2,880 a month.  

You speak as if to go to Australia is easy. You tried to live at 40 degrees and 100% humidity? Besides, there are very many poisonous snakes, crocodiles and spiders. In the ocean, sharks and poisonous sea animals, and jellyfish.

And you're speaking like it's easy to live in cold climate. I had a chance to live in a house heated by a coal furnace with temperatures close to -10*C outside and it's no fun either.

-10*C is warm

I had been waking up to -30*C for the last days.  The urban legend of everything past -5 feels the same isn't true at all.  I can crack open the window and my hair will freeze.

You can go to sleep with 4 blankets on and still wake up freezing, because almost no building is insulated for this extreme weather.

I don't bother with winter jackets but thermal underwear and thermal undershirts can be very expensive.

In addition to heating, a big cost people in warmer climates don't know about is vehicle.  You need 2 sets of tires, 1 being winter tires and they go up to $1,000.  Almost everyone also has been rear-ended or trashed their car because of driving conditions.

[TaunSew]

Panama is an easy country to get into. I have lived here on a tourist visa for 5 years now. for those of you interested: http://expatriate.space/2016/11/09/residency-options-for-panama/

I was interested when I found out you could work towards a permanent residency.  Then I thought about it and thought maybe it's not realistic.  What's the odds for maintaining a work visa, although there is a 30 day window, for 4 years?  That means you cannot ever get fired or, if you get fired, then you get 30 days to lineup a job but most English teaching positions only hire twice a year.

Seems the easiest way, so long as you have money laying around, is to stay on a student visa studying some fluff or investing $150,000.

[bryant.coleman]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

[Klima]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

[TaunSew]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

You exaggerate

This is the era of Slacktivism.  Most of the effort you can get out of millenials is a like on Facebook.  Even at those Dakota Access protests, not counting the locals who had an actual incentive to do something, all the protesters were professional protesters (some were Canadian / European) and middle-aged university academia who took vacation time.

Only time millenials went out in droves was those Occupy Wall Street protesters and they were predominately white millenials too.  Those young white people will be Trump's support base if he does deliver on jobs.

[TaunSew]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

The irony is there is NOT a single celebrity who can't afford a country like Mexico.  Mexico only wants something like $130,000 USD to get an investor visa, which grants you permanent residency and citizenship after 5 years - IIRC.

I'm sure there could be 1000s and 10,000s of Americans who left America just because of Trump, but how many get naturalized or born each year?  How many unemployed college graduates get churned out every semester?  Ditto.

[Tyrantt]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I've never heard any celebrity saying that they'l move to mexico



So are we going to start a fundraiser to get them one way tickets or...?

[TaunSew]

What's that island that Roger Ver tried to get his citizenship?  St. Kitts?  They have a Hilton and a KFC - the 2 things a celebrity in exile needs. 

[protokol]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I've never heard any celebrity saying that they'l move to mexico



So are we going to start a fundraiser to get them one way tickets or...?

A person doesn't neccesarily need to renounce their US passport to emigrate to another country, they can gain dual citizenship in many (but not all) cases.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

[nutildah]

sold a dime

[TaunSew]

Nutildah

All my reading so far has implied there's plenty of work for illegal english gigs.  Pretty sure you won't go destitute unless you're lazy or in an area with no one willing to learn English. 

Still teaching English is a dead end.  I would focus on technology or some other lucrative side gig.

[malcovixeffect]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

I doubt that anyone would agree to surrender his American passport, but that's not it. The fact that a very large number of people do not support policies Trump will bring more tension in the society.

It already has, by quite a bit. We really screwed up this time. Yet Hillary and her people have no one to blame but themselves.

First 6 days, booked! I'll be hitting up Angeles and Subic Bay first as I hear they have large expat communities and are relatively modernized. Any other suggestions of where to go on Luzon would be greatly appreciated.

If you dont like the warm climate, try going to Tagaytay and Baguio.

[jhony99]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

noone will never leave ...all these celebrities can only live is usa..they will never leave usa...

[TaunSew]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

noone will never leave ...all these celebrities can only live is usa..they will never leave usa...

Yeah USA is the worse place on earth
until you go to any other country.


Interestingly - I saw a list of countries with the most America expats and Italy was #1 on the list.  Italy is where the American elites like going, I think, although not all Americans there are rich (Amanda Knox today is living in a trailer park).


I have been to countless countries around the world and I can tell you a lot of the universal problems.  Nice hotels isn't the problem - it's usually just the plain lack of good services.  I would be surprised if anyone can offer better services than Socal.  I can get good sushi on the west coast but what kind can I get in Budapest or Tallinn?  Ditto

[kodoll]

Before the election results came out, a lot of celebrities had declared that they will be immigrating to other countries (especially Canada and Mexico), if Trump becomes the President of the United States. Almost one month has passed since he won the elections, and none of the celebrities have renounced their American passports.

noone will never leave ...all these celebrities can only live is usa..they will never leave usa...

It's all PR. Some stars have received Russian citizenship. They're prostitutes and sold to Putin for the money, but none of them lives in Russia. USA is one of the best countries in the world and therefore nobody's going anywhere.

[Sithara007]

Yeah USA is the worse place on earth
until you go to any other country.

Interestingly - I saw a list of countries with the most America expats and Italy was #1 on the list.  Italy is where the American elites like going, I think, although not all Americans there are rich (Amanda Knox today is living in a trailer park).

Italy is almost broke now, and the tax rates are over the roof. The income tax is at least 100% more than that in the United States, and gasoline costs almost 200% higher. I will be very surprised if these people opt for Italy.

[nutildah]

sold a rolex

[malcovixeffect]

I liked Baguio a lot the first time I went there; the climate is much more manageable. The people didn't like me so much in Baguio for whatever reason. On my trip I was treated anywhere from being John Mayer to a poor black man in the south in the 1950s. I might try to stop at Tagaytay, heard it has a large expat community as well.

they have a different view from the people in the lowlands , up there they would treat you as a normal person thats why famous local artist doesnt visit Baguio often.
If you do visit again expect to bumped into some Koreans and blacks

[Sithara007]

It's all PR. Some stars have received Russian citizenship. They're prostitutes and sold to Putin for the money, but none of them lives in Russia. USA is one of the best countries in the world and therefore nobody's going anywhere.

You are Ukrainian right? I can see why you are so butt-hurt? Every month, I see a number of Westerners, applying for the Russian passport. But never heard anyone ever preferring an Ukrainian passport.

That said, the Ukrainians are dreaming that very soon the EU will grant them right to work. Keep dreaming... as it is never going to happen. The EU wants only Syrians and Iraqis.

[RobertDeNiro]

Goodbye and good riddance.

[bryant.coleman]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

[RobertDeNiro]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

[BADecker]

I'm really thinking about it (the thread title). One problem. I'd have to be in the U.S. to do it. Things might appear that I am in the U.S., and people in their simple understanding might think that I and they are in the U.S., but you are only in the U.S. if you work for Government, and maybe not even then. Otherwise you are a free man or woman on the land. After all, the Basic Law of the U.S., the constitution states that Government land is the 10 square miles of D.C.

[merchantofzeny]

...
A far better choice would be Belize, if you like Philippines-like climate. It is common law, where the basic rule of law is the 12-person jury, like the United States or Great Britain or Canada.

...

Belize?  I thought there is an open hunting season on gringos, you know like Guatemalans crossing the border etc...
Belize has the third highest murder rate in the world in 2016!!!

http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2016/02/belize-ranks-3-of-10-countries-with-worlds-highest-murder-rates/

Better choice is Costa Rica.  Lots of gringos.  Nice climate.  Plenty of gated communities para todos que no hablar español.

I guess if he's moving there, he better learn Spanish.

[merchantofzeny]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

[RobertDeNiro]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

How warm are the summers you're talking about?

[malcovixeffect]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

How warm are the summers you're talking about?

during summer 34 - 40 degrees Celsius

[dawnpot]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

[RobertDeNiro]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

How warm are the summers you're talking about?

during summer 34 - 40 degrees Celsius

That's crazy hot. Anyway like I said in my first post on this thread Id never move to the Philippines.

[BADecker]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

How warm are the summers you're talking about?

during summer 34 - 40 degrees Celsius

That's crazy hot. Anyway like I said in my first post on this thread Id never move to the Philippines.

And take your own military with you, in case you are accused of participating in the drug traffic.

[RobertDeNiro]

him being happy is what counts but it's in no way cheaper. have you seen australian property prices? and groceries cost a ton more too. 

He is going to the Philippines, and the expenses are quite low there. English is also widely spoken, although the crime rate is quite high when compared to the western nations. That said, he will be quite surprised once he lands in that country. He is escaping from one populist politician (Trump) and now he has to live under the rule of Duterte, who is even more populist and outspoken.

Life is very tough out there.. Id never move to the Philippines


NSFW


http://www.bestgore.com/?s=Philippines

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

How warm are the summers you're talking about?

during summer 34 - 40 degrees Celsius

That's crazy hot. Anyway like I said in my first post on this thread Id never move to the Philippines.

And take your own military with you, in case you are accused of participating in the drug traffic.

That's true. I never even took that into account but their president is killing drug dealers on the spot, no trial, no jury, just a few grains of lead. Even more reason why I wont be ever even visiting the Philippians let alone moving there.

[Sithara007]

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

The Abu Sayyaf and the other Muslim extremists are concentrated in Western Mindanao and the smaller islands nearby. Central Mindanao and Eastern part is safe, although crime rate should be a problem. Also avoid the island of Samar, as it is a hotbed of Maoist insurgency.

[merchantofzeny]

It depends where you live. Avoid settling in Mindanao (or at least the SW parts) that's where most of the Islamist activities are. Luzon is the safest bet for people moving here though there are also plenty of good cities in the Visayas, especially Cebu (they tend to speak English even with other Filipinos).

I'm not sure about jobs though. My mom's cousin is married to an American and they moved back to Guam just this year. Not exactly sure what he does for a living but I heard he's not making enough here. It would be far easier if you just build your own business.

A word of warning to anyone planning to move here. Summer IS HOT. And no, I'm not talking just about Pinoys on the beach. If you plan to move, do it on the cooler months to allow your body to acclimatize. Even OFWs on vacation find the heat oppressive. You wouldn't want a stroke ruining your housewarming.

The Abu Sayyaf and the other Muslim extremists are concentrated in Western Mindanao and the smaller islands nearby. Central Mindanao and Eastern part is safe, although crime rate should be a problem. Also avoid the island of Samar, as it is a hotbed of Maoist insurgency.

Oh yes, I almost forgot about the commies!

[audaciousbeing]

When alot of people will want to leave the third world country to come over there by all means just because there is a more functional government responsive to the citizens need better than theirs which politics cannot be eliminated from that what youre running from but thats your choice and if you are ready to face insecurity, kidnapping, high-level corruption, power failure etc. at the expense of politics then you are most welcome to join the party.

[Sithara007]

Oh yes, I almost forgot about the commies!

The commies have been weakened recently. They are no longer a capable fighting force. The Battle of Macalangit was the last straw. Anyway... Duterte is now trying to enforce a ceasefire with them.

[petsae]

Good luck and best wishes. I live in Europe but I wish to do the same, to move somewhere else just like that. But maybe some day 

[merchantofzeny]

Good luck and best wishes. I live in Europe but I wish to do the same, to move somewhere else just like that. But maybe some day 

Where you at? I've heard about what happened in Berlin. The details are not clear yet in the news though.

[Chin Cheng]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

[malcovixeffect]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

[Sithara007]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

But what about the taxes? A citizen of the United States needs to pay tax on his income, regardless of his residency status. So if he is earning some money in the Philippines, then he will be paying taxes to both the Philippine and US governments.

[criptix]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

It is the $$ what makes you hot in the 3rd world.

[TaunSew]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

It is the $$ what makes you hot in the 3rd world.

Only for the Pay 4 Play (prostitution) scene.

RooshV forums is full of guys who goto places like Colombia and Ukraine, and in almost all circumstances they would had been better off staying home.  Language barrier is usually too strong for local women to care.  

Besides you overestimate the power of being white.  There's been at least 2 decades of "Fat Ugly Americans" and "obnoxious drunk Brits" to make white people look shit.

[v1ryspro]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree with you. To live in a third country with a US passport is not bad. Only to earn money we need in America, and spend their life in third countries. The quality of life and health services will also be worse.

[Sithara007]

Besides you overestimate the power of being white.  There's been at least 2 decades of "Fat Ugly Americans" and "obnoxious drunk Brits" to make white people look shit.

Being white does have privileges, especially in the South-east Asian nations such as Thailand and Philippines. In these places, white people are assumed to be rich, and this can be both advantageous and disadvantageous. 

[criptix]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

It is the $$ what makes you hot in the 3rd world.

Only for the Pay 4 Play (prostitution) scene.

RooshV forums is full of guys who goto places like Colombia and Ukraine, and in almost all circumstances they would had been better off staying home.  Language barrier is usually too strong for local women to care. 

Besides you overestimate the power of being white.  There's been at least 2 decades of "Fat Ugly Americans" and "obnoxious drunk Brits" to make white people look shit.

I dont think the users of rooshv have much $$ at all. It seems to me more like a forum for 20-25 year boys who are just out of school and want to experience something...?

Also i dont think you realizy how many fat ugly americans or brits with 150-200+k $ a year have (foreign) model wifes at home.

[nutildah]

sold a bean

[RobertDeNiro]

Thanks for all the suggestions and input guys, its appreciated. So far I'm going to check out the possibility of living in these places:

 - Makati
 - Angeles City (Clark AFB)
 - Subic Bay
 - Tagaytay

The latest on Duterte is he says he wants to retire when "the drug war is over." If he would have said that in the U.S., he'd never retire. But over there they _really_ are having a war on drugs, and the people on drugs are losing.

PS: Fuck Donald Trump

Donald is not the problem and neither is Duterte. It's you.

[Sithara007]

Donald is not the problem and neither is Duterte. It's you.

Doesn't matter now. He has the means to immigrate to Philippines, and he has already outlined his plans. I just hope that everything works out for him pretty well. There are hundreds of millions out there in the world, who don't have the means to immigrate to another country. It is his life, so let him enjoy it while he is young.

[BitcoinPicasso]

Philippines is a third world shit hole full of corruption and crime. Better not flaunt that your rich otherwise you'll get kidnapped.

[iamnotback]

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet.

I did this in 1991 at age 26. The Philippines was much more poverty stricken at that time. There were literally piles of garbage burning along Manila Bay at that time.

You have a different politics than I do. I don't believe the government should take care of the people. I believe doing so always results in megadeath in every instance in human history. I have an entire thread dedicated to you dumb fuck westernized (socialist) Millennials:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1703293.0

My son is age 20, half-filipino and a USA citizen. He recently decided to move back over here even though he was earning up to $500 a day on tips working at a casino in Wala-Wala, Washington State. He returned because he prefers (actually loves) living in the poverty and being close with all his filipino friends. He loves that he is never alone and is always busy doing social activities, which includes a lot of basketball, billiards, etc.. He is thinking about putting up a coin operated netcafe in that poverty stricken squalor area where he prefers to live.

One thing you may not be ready for is that you are an ATM machine because you are white. Everyone will try to extract money from you. Every 5th cousin will come out of the ground and pressuring your gf to extract money from you.

The culture is very different. It is tribal and selfish. You won't find that families want to help other families unless they are already close over a long period of time. They don't help strangers except for token donations for 5 pesos to street beggars. They view you as an asset and they don't want you expending your resources on any other family. You may find exceptions to this but it is very rare. If you think you are going to teach them, you will learn the hard way that we can't change the culture, attitudes, and system of other people. I can't change your philosophy from being a dumb fuck socialist. You can't change the filipinos. The Spanish tried for 400 years to change them and could not.

You are entering a tribal country. Your nationalistic idealism is sort of what Durterte is trying to instill, but the filipinos remain fundamentally very opportunist. They take what they can get from any system for themselves and their family. The nationalistic idealism is (mostly) a facade they game.

You are in for a big reality check in terms of human nature, economics, and politics. You will either become much more realistic about reality or you will get fed up and go back to the USA with your tail between your legs.

We laugh at you virgins. You have to learn by experience.

You are a cow for milking.

Socialism made you westerners think that human nature is actually not selfish. This works for a short time because the government borrows money to give you everything you want. But throughout history of mankind, this always collapses back to the reality of human nature and megadeath. Humans leverage the system they are in to get the maximum they can for themselves and their love ones. When there is abundance, humans are more sharing, because sharing becomes a gift culture wherein status is gained by giving. But this only works in a capitalistic society that rewards production. A socialist/communist society destroys production. In fact one of the reasons the Philippines is poverty stricken is because of the communist family structure, where one person works and everyone else is lazy and parasites on those who work. The filipinos are also lazy because the aristocracy had enslaved them as captured oversupply of labor. This is changing now that filipinos can go abroad to work. The culture is changing, but not entirely and slowly.

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

And catching strange infections and ending up fucked up incurable chronic illness as what happened to me.

Many if not most people here are mostly all carrying tuberculosis, STDs, skin mites (enjoy it when they shake your hand and you itch like hell), etc.. Enjoy. It will be "fun" in the beginning.

You well fed, fattened western body will be delicious to all the parasites here. You will feel you are in paradise for a few days, while all the parasites are incubating and then wham! You'll feel like shit.

Don't walk barefoot, the tropical worms enter your body through the soles of your feet.

Don't get bitten by mosquitoes, because Dengue is very widespread and it can fuck up your health for life (as is my case).

Philippines is a third world shit hole full of corruption and crime. Better not flaunt that your rich otherwise you'll get kidnapped.

It is better than it was in some areas now. But the corruption and shithole aspects are still prevalent in most areas.

For example, last night my gf's brother got stabbed in the arm by neighbor in Pagadian (her home town). The police did not arrest the perpetrator, so my gf's family is planning to kill that guy today. That other family will of course make a revenge and kill some member(s) of their family. And this will go back and forth until most of both families are dead.

Some of the police are corrupt as hell.

I lost my right eye to a gang attack in Luzon.

This place is raw and reality. You had better be ready for dealing with human nature in its raw form.

Btw, if anyone wants you dead, the cost is only $400 or less. If someone asks you for money and help, and you refuse and otherwise act "humbog" (high pride), they might resent you enough to kill you. My former maid's father had killed numerous guys (in the mountain area) he didn't like the way they walked with their head too high and cocky attitude.

You'll find a lot of loving and caring people in the Philippines, but lurking underneath are these other aspects which will eventually become an issue. At the beginning, you might feel you landed in paradise. Then problems will find you.

[Sithara007]

Good luck and best wishes. I live in Europe but I wish to do the same, to move somewhere else just like that. But maybe some day 

Why don't you consider New Zealand? In my opinion, New Zealand is the most beautiful place on the earth. It is English speaking, and the crime rate is extremely low. Also, the climate is very similar to that in Europe.

[16StgbZAVBMELZjy6MX55dUmf]

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

You do not have the liberty to emigrate. As an American you can only become an expat. You'll have to pay taxes to the IRS regardless of where you live. Your children (if any) have to pay too. Refusing to do so will get you in deep shit.

p.s. throw away account  )

[BADecker]

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

You do not have the liberty to emigrate. As an American you can only become an expat. You'll have to pay taxes to the IRS regardless of where you live. Your children (if any) have to pay too. Refusing to do so will get you in deep shit.

p.s. throw away account  )

Wrong. Form a tax-free church under IRS Code 26 508(c)(1)(A), and donate all your earnings to "your" church. The IRS doesn't even look at a 508(c)(1)(A) church if you do it right. See http://www.theultimateinassetprotection.com/?ref=SWC and particularly http://www.theultimateinassetprotection.com/taxlaw/.

[Cxfan]

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

It is the $$ what makes you hot in the 3rd world.

That is only true for old farts looking for sex. Young white guys are highly desired by brown women in many countries because they want beautiful looking children.

[dippididodaday]

I've heard it said "the grass is always greener on the other side". I would omit the word "always" since this is not necessarily true for each individual case.

[BADecker]

I've heard it said "the grass is always greener on the other side". I would omit the word "always" since this is not necessarily true for each individual case.

But, it would be fun anyway, just for taking a look at other parts of the world. Wanna meet in Belize?

[Sithara007]

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

You do not have the liberty to emigrate. As an American you can only become an expat. You'll have to pay taxes to the IRS regardless of where you live. Your children (if any) have to pay too. Refusing to do so will get you in deep shit.

p.s. throw away account  )

You have the liberty of renouncing your American passport, which is a very simple process (if you don't have any pending tax payments). The IRS is not going to tax the non-citizens.

[BADecker]

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

You do not have the liberty to emigrate. As an American you can only become an expat. You'll have to pay taxes to the IRS regardless of where you live. Your children (if any) have to pay too. Refusing to do so will get you in deep shit.

p.s. throw away account  )

You have the liberty of renouncing your American passport, which is a very simple process (if you don't have any pending tax payments). The IRS is not going to tax the non-citizens.

You don't have to renounce your passport. Your passport isn't you. The "person" of your passport is one of your persons. This person isn't you, because you breathe and have flesh and bones; it doesn't. The person of your passport is a tiny representation of you. It isn't you.

Answer truthfully if asked if that is you on your passport. But answer wisely. The passport is only a representation of you, and not a very good one.

[dippididodaday]

I've heard it said "the grass is always greener on the other side". I would omit the word "always" since this is not necessarily true for each individual case.

But, it would be fun anyway, just for taking a look at other parts of the world. Wanna meet in Belize?

Anytime!

[Sithara007]

You don't have to renounce your passport. Your passport isn't you. The "person" of your passport is one of your persons. This person isn't you, because you breathe and have flesh and bones; it doesn't. The person of your passport is a tiny representation of you. It isn't you.

Doesn't matter much. If you don't renounce your passport, then the IRS will come after you and take away all your savings. Why risk that, when you can renounce your citizenship in a matter of few days?

[psychosis7]

Oh you're looking for donations to get out of the US. That's strange. After you break up with your GF and get sick of living in a shitty 3rd world country we'll welcome you back. No matter how bad America may seem the Philippines is much worse.

[sergeyzol]

You don't have to renounce your passport. Your passport isn't you. The "person" of your passport is one of your persons. This person isn't you, because you breathe and have flesh and bones; it doesn't. The person of your passport is a tiny representation of you. It isn't you.

Doesn't matter much. If you don't renounce your passport, then the IRS will come after you and take away all your savings. Why risk that, when you can renounce your citizenship in a matter of few days?

Stop to amuse people! Who in their right mind would refuse a us passport? People will remain in the country and will live a normal life and work. If Trump is not like you need to enter the rallies and adjust his actions. Better to let it leave the States!

[bra4our]

It will be better to stay in the USA than go any where else because of politics. The hatred and animosity will eventually die down.

[RobertDeNiro]

Whered the op go?

[Slow death]

Oh you're looking for donations to get out of the US. That's strange. After you break up with your GF and get sick of living in a shitty 3rd world country we'll welcome you back.

Do not take it back. Leave him in the Philippines that until the end of his life

 No matter how bad America may seem the Philippines is much worse.

I've never been to the Philippines, but I see some documentaries on the Philippines on TV, so I can not say it's too bad to live there, but I can say that living in very poor countries is a real nightmare...

Better reconsider dude because politics is everywhere including your own home.

he might not be moving from US because of political reasons alone ,he would have found that it is more cheap and inexpensive to live in a third world country and being a US citizen have its perks in a third world country i guess. Good luck

I agree, being white increases the chance to get laid with hot young women. LMAO

It is the $$ what makes you hot in the 3rd world.

That is only true for old farts looking for sex. Young white guys are highly desired by brown women in many countries because they want beautiful looking children.

I did not know that.

[iamnotback]

I've never been to the Philippines, but I see some documentaries on the Philippines on TV, so I can not say it's too bad to live there, but I can say that living in very poor countries is a real nightmare...

It is a different culture and value system, unless you isolate yourself. So in that sense it is a nightmare if you aren't able to totally abandon your own culture and value system. Which is very difficult if not impossible to do.

I live here with a combination of isolating myself, cherry picking the best advantages, and to some extent my western culture was eviscerated by being here in the Philippines for half of my life (I will be age 52 in June). For example, I no longer use toilet paper. I always use my hand, water, and soap instead.

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

You can hook up with a pretty lady here, but most likely she is going to give you a health gift that keeps on giving even after you've left the country.

You can find a good girl who won't give you an STD, but she will drive you nuts with her weird culture and her entire family out to the 5th cousin who will expect everything from you, such as never brushing her teeth. This beautiful lady in the mall started to speak and I forgot about her beauty.

On the positive side, filipinos are happy go lucky and want to have fun all the time. The downside of this is don't expect your gf to help you accomplish much of anything, other than consume your resources on fun all the time. Responsibility and attention to details are not concepts that are practiced here.

You can make some minor tweaks here and there, and perhaps there are some exceptions but what I have written is accurate enough to represent the average reality here.

[malcovixeffect]

I've never been to the Philippines, but I see some documentaries on the Philippines on TV, so I can not say it's too bad to live there, but I can say that living in very poor countries is a real nightmare...

It is a different culture and value system, unless you isolate yourself. So in that sense it is a nightmare if you aren't able to totally abandon your own culture and value system. Which is very difficult if not impossible to do.

I live here with a combination of isolating myself, cherry picking the best advantages, and to some extent my western culture was eviscerated by being here in the Philippines for half of my life (I will be age 52 in June). For example, I no longer use toilet paper. I always use my hand, water, and soap instead.

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

You can hook up with a pretty lady here, but most likely she is going to give you a health gift that keeps on giving even after you've left the country.

You can find a good girl who won't give you an STD, but she will drive you nuts with her weird culture and her entire family out to the 5th cousin who will expect everything from you, such as never brushing her teeth. This beautiful lady in the mall started to speak and I forgot about her beauty.

On the positive side, filipinos are happy go lucky and want to have fun all the time. The downside of this is don't expect your gf to help you accomplish much of anything, other than consume your resources on fun all the time. Responsibility and attention to details are not concepts that are practiced here.

You can make some minor tweaks here and there, and perhaps there are some exceptions but what I have written is accurate enough to represent the average reality here.

Im curious what part of the Philippines are you referring?

[gredisgold88]

MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

scram O imperialism minded people, you go around saying that the tribe and the ingenuity of the people can govern the people dinegaramu the 3rd world, if only you are a little smarter then you will be frightened to move to a third country

[Sithara007]

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

Don't forget that the Philippines is one of the top destination for foreign pedophiles, especially those from the Western nations. And one advantage over Thailand is that in Philippines you will get real women. In Thailand you don't know whether the lady is a biological female, or a shemale.

[igorokavg13]

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

Don't forget that the Philippines is one of the top destination for foreign pedophiles, especially those from the Western nations. And one advantage over Thailand is that in Philippines you will get real women. In Thailand you don't know whether the lady is a biological female, or a shemale.

I was in Thailand and I can tell you what to tell a girl from a shemale very easily. Natural girls they are very ugly, and transsexuals Vice versa. Philippines attract tourists because there is a beautiful nature and its sexual liberation.

[bitcoinboy12]

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

Don't forget that the Philippines is one of the top destination for foreign pedophiles, especially those from the Western nations. And one advantage over Thailand is that in Philippines you will get real women. In Thailand you don't know whether the lady is a biological female, or a shemale.

I was in Thailand and I can tell you what to tell a girl from a shemale very easily. Natural girls they are very ugly, and transsexuals Vice versa. Philippines attract tourists because there is a beautiful nature and its sexual liberation.

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

[daiyuba1971]

This is an artificial issue. Who will leave America? Trump really is a shame for the country, but that is no reason to leave the country. Especially since I doubt that many countries in the world whose life can be compared with America.

[Sithara007]

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

People speak English well... but at the same time, the expats must be cautious. There are quite a few guys out there, who would attempt to trick the expats with various ponzi schemes and offers.

[BADecker]

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

People speak English well... but at the same time, the expats must be cautious. There are quite a few guys out there, who would attempt to trick the expats with various ponzi schemes and offers.

You better believe it. If you decide to buy land in Central or South America, you need to find a lawyer. There isn't any Title Agency, in any of these lands. It is very difficult to determine who really owns a chunk of land being sold.

[Xester]

Dont leave your country the United States of America just because of politics but do it for love. Problem in politics is everywhere and is also present in the Philippines. You are not living in the Philippines and so you cannot see the real life situations of how corrupt and dirty the political scenery is. I am a Filipino and my father was a local politician and I saw how dirty politics is, vote buying is rampant and when they win they will stole and use government funds for their own benefits. Though corruption and drugs has lessened with the new president and his call for change but sad to say that it will take him more than his term of six years to really annihilate corruption and drugs that has been existent even before I was born.

[kryptqnick]

For a person from a developed country it is very easy to say that USA is total shit, I'm moving to a developing country. For people from the 3rd world it is different. Yes, the political situation in your country might be not in the best state. Yet if you think everything is better in countries like mine - you're wrong. You have to pay everybody just if you want them to do their job. And there is no trustworthy system of building a career here. You can be dumb or smart - it doesn't matter. What matters is who your parents and their friends are.
I hope you find your happiness in Philippines.
And maybe you better do a funding for some exchanges, at least. I mean, help people from the US to get to 3rd world countries and people from the 3rd world to the US.

[tracktorr]

Dont leave your country the United States of America just because of politics but do it for love. Problem in politics is everywhere and is also present in the Philippines. You are not living in the Philippines and so you cannot see the real life situations of how corrupt and dirty the political scenery is. I am a Filipino and my father was a local politician and I saw how dirty politics is, vote buying is rampant and when they win they will stole and use government funds for their own benefits. Though corruption and drugs has lessened with the new president and his call for change but sad to say that it will take him more than his term of six years to really annihilate corruption and drugs that has been existent even before I was born.

And why do you think that he will win the drug abuse and corruption? I'm not sure. All bloody methods good deeds are not done! Besides, to do big changes need support and he has none.

[iamnotback]

I've never been to the Philippines, but I see some documentaries on the Philippines on TV, so I can not say it's too bad to live there, but I can say that living in very poor countries is a real nightmare...

It is a different culture and value system, unless you isolate yourself. So in that sense it is a nightmare if you aren't able to totally abandon your own culture and value system. Which is very difficult if not impossible to do.

I live here with a combination of isolating myself, cherry picking the best advantages, and to some extent my western culture was eviscerated by being here in the Philippines for half of my life (I will be age 52 in June). For example, I no longer use toilet paper. I always use my hand, water, and soap instead.

Many westerners just come for a vacation and sex tour (but more go to Thailand for that since Philippines is a Catholic country), but the infrastructure is sub-par and the disease welcoming you doesn't discriminate against white people.

You can hook up with a pretty lady here, but most likely she is going to give you a health gift that keeps on giving even after you've left the country.

You can find a good girl who won't give you an STD, but she will drive you nuts with her weird culture and her entire family out to the 5th cousin who will expect everything from you, such as never brushing her teeth. This beautiful lady in the mall started to speak and I forgot about her beauty.

On the positive side, filipinos are happy go lucky and want to have fun all the time. The downside of this is don't expect your gf to help you accomplish much of anything, other than consume your resources on fun all the time. Responsibility and attention to details are not concepts that are practiced here.

You can make some minor tweaks here and there, and perhaps there are some exceptions but what I have written is accurate enough to represent the average reality here.

Im curious what part of the Philippines are you referring?

I've spent more time in the Visayas and especially a lot of time in Mindanao, which is one of the least developed regions (excepting Cebu City and Davao City which are developed).

But I have also traveled in Luzon as well.

I think my statements are reasonably accurate for the entire country. Of course you can find exceptions and the conditions have improved a lot in the past 10 years. But yet you still have to be very cautious about disease in a tropical country. Dengue is a significant threat for example. Do you know that Dengue can give you permanent genetic mutation and then you spend the rest of your life fucked up sick (which is my condition for the past 4 years at least).

Filipinos love noise. The more noise the better. They hate silent places. You as a foreigner trying to get any quiet time will need to isolate yourself in an expensive hotel. A cheaper lodging will be so noisy. Many cultural issues like this. A continuously barking dog is normal for them. You don't tell the dog to stop barking.

[Sithara007]

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

People speak English well... but at the same time, the expats must be cautious. There are quite a few guys out there, who would attempt to trick the expats with various ponzi schemes and offers.

You better believe it. If you decide to buy land in Central or South America, you need to find a lawyer. There isn't any Title Agency, in any of these lands. It is very difficult to determine who really owns a chunk of land being sold.

I don't have much knowledge about the Philippine laws, but in India foreigners can't purchase land. If you want to buy land, then either you must take the Indian citizenship (which require 12 years of residency, plus a fluency in one of the local languages), or you should create a private company and register it with the authorities.

[BADecker]

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

People speak English well... but at the same time, the expats must be cautious. There are quite a few guys out there, who would attempt to trick the expats with various ponzi schemes and offers.

You better believe it. If you decide to buy land in Central or South America, you need to find a lawyer. There isn't any Title Agency, in any of these lands. It is very difficult to determine who really owns a chunk of land being sold.

I don't have much knowledge about the Philippine laws, but in India foreigners can't purchase land. If you want to buy land, then either you must take the Indian citizenship (which require 12 years of residency, plus a fluency in one of the local languages), or you should create a private company and register it with the authorities.

When India was governed by the British, common law was the basic law of the land, although few Indians realized it or understood it. Within the last few years, the changes in India from common law to customary law have overridden common law. Probably there is enough influence of common law, still, so that anybody could use it if he wanted.

What is common law? Common law is essentially jury rule, where one man/woman has a claim of injury done by another man/woman. The jury decides who is right and who must pay. Probably, the jury in India would be free to decide, if the people pushed it. But they don't know this, so they submit to customary law, if there even is a jury invoked.

The updated (within the last 3 years, or so) Wikipedia map below shows that Pakistan and Bangladesh have common law governments, while India has moved away from common law to customary law. Since this map has only been updated in the last 3 years (or less), it might not show the true, underlying, legal law.

Click the map to open it to a larger size.

Legal Systems of the World

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Map_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png

[Kvazimoda]

Well personally I really don't think this is a bad idea. Thailand and Philippines is easier for western guys because people there can understand and talk English very well.

People speak English well... but at the same time, the expats must be cautious. There are quite a few guys out there, who would attempt to trick the expats with various ponzi schemes and offers.

You better believe it. If you decide to buy land in Central or South America, you need to find a lawyer. There isn't any Title Agency, in any of these lands. It is very difficult to determine who really owns a chunk of land being sold.

I don't have much knowledge about the Philippine laws, but in India foreigners can't purchase land. If you want to buy land, then either you must take the Indian citizenship (which require 12 years of residency, plus a fluency in one of the local languages), or you should create a private company and register it with the authorities.

What intelligent person wants to go from America to the Philippines? This is a poor country with a primitive way of life. In addition now the President of the Philippines is trying to be friends with Russia. This means that the President of the Philippines start to get out of the crisis.

[Sithara007]

What intelligent person wants to go from America to the Philippines? This is a poor country with a primitive way of life. In addition now the President of the Philippines is trying to be friends with Russia. This means that the President of the Philippines start to get out of the crisis.

The living expenses are much lower in the Philippines, when compared to the United States. There is a large American expat community in the Philippines, and it is regarded as a good option for the retirees.

[iamnotback]

Many if not most people here are mostly all carrying tuberculosis, STDs, skin mites (enjoy it when they shake your hand and you itch like hell), etc.. Enjoy. It will be "fun" in the beginning.

80% of the people in the Philippines have Tuberculosis which is a very serious illness spread by coughing. You will catch this. I did. You will then need 6 months of medicines and you will never be guaranteed to be cured. You can relapse later in life.

If the TB is multi-drug resistant, you are in big trouble.

http://www.philstar.com/health-and-family/763897/tuberculosis-philippines-10-things-you-should-know

[iamnotback]

It is sad to know how messed up the public health is in these 3rd world countries. They couldn't even treat all their TB cases if they wanted to. Impossible. Very difficult to get compliance with a 6 month drug regimen and even just statistically, they are going to end up with many multi-drug resistant carriers even with good compliance, not to mention the poor compliance they would get.

The realization is that my gf has an 80% chance of being infected (all filipinos do), and if she is treated, she can't come back here, because she will get infected again. It is a very problematic because I know she won't be contented if she can't visit her family and culture. It really puts a pause on the concept of having a relationship with a filipina.

Frankly I am ready to get out of this country asap.

[Okurkabinladin]

Any updates on OP? Is he dead already or did he chicken out like majority of Hollywood celebrities "migrating" to Canada?

Holding my breath in anticipation.

Seriously, though, you autists need to grow a pair. Third world countries have politics too. If you cant handle it, try meds and turn off you tv for once.

[Sithara007]

80% of the people in the Philippines have Tuberculosis which is a very serious illness spread by coughing. You will catch this. I did. You will then need 6 months of medicines and you will never be guaranteed to be cured. You can relapse later in life.

Incidence of Tuberculosis in Philippines is 322 per 100,000 or 0.3% according to the World Bank.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.TBS.INCD?name_desc=true

And healthy people usually don't get tuberculosis from coughing. If that was the case, then the American authorities might have put up a health warning on the travel advisories.

[iamnotback]

The idiot Marxist from the global warming thread comes over here to try his luck at putting his foot in his mouth some more...

80% of the people in the Philippines have Tuberculosis which is a very serious illness spread by coughing. You will catch this. I did. You will then need 6 months of medicines and you will never be guaranteed to be cured. You can relapse later in life.

If the TB is multi-drug resistant, you are in big trouble.

http://www.philstar.com/health-and-family/763897/tuberculosis-philippines-10-things-you-should-know

Incidence of Tuberculosis in Philippines is 322 per 100,000 or 0.3% according to the World Bank.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.TBS.INCD?name_desc=true

Those are active symptomatic TB disease admitted to a hospital for treatment on an annual basis.

It appears to be difficult to get the LTBI rate online, probably because the government does not warn to alarm you idiots about how bad the problem really is. But the doctors have all told me the rate of LTBI is 70 - 80%.

The incidence of latent TB infection is 70 - 80%. Here is one resource that documents the infection rate is 8 to 12 times higher than the smear positive incidence rate:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18235886

Even amongst healthcare workers in the Philippines the LTBI (latent TB) rate was measured at 27%:

http://www.ejbronchology.eg.net/article.asp?issn=1687-8426;year=2015;volume=9;issue=2;spage=183;epage=187;aulast=Abdelghaffar

The following resource says 2.33 billion people have LTBI:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4024230/

Here is a 46% LTBI incidence in a village in China:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4440671/

And healthy people usually don't get tuberculosis from coughing. If that was the case, then the American authorities might have put up a health warning on the travel advisories.

STFU idiot:

When people with TB in their lungs or throat cough, laugh, sneeze, sing, or even talk, the germs that cause TB may be spread into the air. If another person breathes in these germs there is a chance that they will become infected.

[Sithara007]

Before GWB was elected as the POTUS for the second time in 2004, some idiots were saying that they will immigrate to Canada if he wins. But after his win, none of them made the journey.

The idiot Marxist from the global warming thread comes over here to try his luck at putting his foot in his mouth some more...

STFU idiot:

Yeah... another loser added to my ignore list. Name calling occurs when someone is losing the argument. Since you have no answer, I am adding you to my ignore list.

[grenade launcher]

Before GWB was elected as the POTUS for the second time in 2004, some idiots were saying that they will immigrate to Canada if he wins. But after his win, none of them made the journey.

The idiot Marxist from the global warming thread comes over here to try his luck at putting his foot in his mouth some more...

STFU idiot:

Yeah... another loser added to my ignore list. Name calling occurs when someone is losing the argument. Since you have no answer, I am adding you to my ignore list.

To add to the ignore list the opponent is not the way out. There is a forum for litters. I also see that you are from Russia. I do not support this barbaric policy of the country, but this does not mean that you can't have an opinion. On the contrary I interested.

[iamnotback]

I am experiencing nearly constant nausea, which is an expected side-effect of the strong anti-Tuberculosis medicines.  This nausea also produces a delirium effect. So don't expect too much of me until this nausea subsides. The 4 different medicines continue for 8 weeks (1 week already completed). They say sometimes the nausea subsides after 2 weeks, but not in all cases. After the 8 weeks, I have 16 weeks of a 2 drug regimen. It is also possible that regimen could make me nauseous, but less likely. My body does seem to be producing the necessary chemistry for me to sleep unlike before I started treatment when I was experiencing debilitating insomnia. Now it is debilitating sleepiness, nausea, and something like a delirium from that combination. I presume I will come back to normal health eventually.

Again this presumes I don't have a multi-drug resistant strain which is resistant to all 4 of the drugs I am taking. The incidence of 4 drug resistance in the Philippines is quite high at ~0.5% - 1%. And I might be under greater risk, because most likely I was infected numerous times with TB, probably dozens of times.

Unfortunately my doctor here did not collect a sample and culture it to test for multi-drug resistance and thus I can't know if I am wasting my time with these medications. Additionally my doctor in 2012 for my acute peptic ulcer had prescribed ofloxacin without first testing me for TB, thus if I already had TB then (which is very likely as I think it caused my ulcer) then he made my TB resistant to the only second line drug treatment for multi-drug resistant TB.

So in short, the doctors in the Philippines are incredibly dangerous for your health. They also destroyed my right eye (my USA surgeon said if I had gone directly to the USA, he could have very likely saved 90% of my vision in my right eye).

Stay away from the third world if you value your health! I hope I don't have to say this again! 70 - 80% of the filipinos are carrying a latent TB infection. The WHO hides this data from you! If I had known that, I wouldn't have gone here!

[pearlmen]

I am experiencing nearly constant nausea, which is an expected side-effect of the strong anti-Tuberculosis medicines.  This nausea also produces a delirium effect. So don't expect too much of me until this nausea subsides. The 4 different medicines continue for 8 weeks (1 week already completed). They say sometimes the nausea subsides after 2 weeks, but not in all cases. After the 8 weeks, I have 16 weeks of a 2 drug regimen. It is also possible that regimen could make me nauseous, but less likely. My body does seem to be producing the necessary chemistry for me to sleep unlike before I started treatment when I was experiencing debilitating insomnia. Now it is debilitating sleepiness, nausea, and something like a delirium from that combination. I presume I will come back to normal health eventually.

Again this presumes I don't have a multi-drug resistant strain which is resistant to all 4 of the drugs I am taking. The incidence of 4 drug resistance in the Philippines is quite high at ~0.5% - 1%. And I might be under greater risk, because most likely I was infected numerous times with TB, probably dozens of times.

Unfortunately my doctor here did not collect a sample and culture it to test for multi-drug resistance and thus I can't know if I am wasting my time with these medications. Additionally my doctor in 2012 for my acute peptic ulcer had prescribed ofloxacin without first testing me for TB, thus if I already had TB then (which is very likely as I think it caused my ulcer) then he made my TB resistant to the only second line drug treatment for multi-drug resistant TB.

So in short, the doctors in the Philippines are incredibly dangerous for your health. They also destroyed my right eye (my USA surgeon said if I had gone directly to the USA, he could have very likely saved 90% of my vision in my right eye).

Stay away from the third world if you value your health! I hope I don't have to say this again! 70 - 80% of the filipinos are carrying a latent TB infection. The WHO hides this data from you! If I had known that, I wouldn't have gone here!

Its unfortunate what you had to go through in the area of your health in a third world country but at the same time that does not still mean that doctors in USA have not been sued for negligence or error. OP is saying he wants to to there because of politics but for me I will tstill tell him to stay back if he still needs his life because in those country they dont wait for court to decide, you are taken care of easily without the issue of insecurity then your death is even easier.

[The One]

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

Another scammer... oh please is anyone falling for this?

[The One]

I feel you man, I'm in the UK at the moment, but the monumental fuck up that is Brexit.

Sore loser... leave then. The EU and immigration policies has been a disaster and bankrupting the UK.

[BartS]

The reason for leaving is up the each one of us, but leaving without an established source of income I think it is a mistake, if you want to leave then the first thing to do is to find ways to earn money on that other country or online, if you don’t have that then stay in your country until you do.

[Sithara007]

I feel you man, I'm in the UK at the moment, but the monumental fuck up that is Brexit.

Sore loser... leave then. The EU and immigration policies has been a disaster and bankrupting the UK.

Exactly. The UK was not gaining anything from the EU. The European Union is essentially a hidden version of the Viertes Reich, designed to provide supremacy for Germany in the European continent. The UK did the right thing by leaving the Union.

[techgeeks8]

The reason for leaving is up the each one of us, but leaving without an established source of income I think it is a mistake, if you want to leave then the first thing to do is to find ways to earn money on that other country or online, if you don’t have that then stay in your country until you do.

Yes, There is no formal plan to identify the risks and benefits in exiting EU.

[iamnotback]

It is ridiculous that I could go so long without knowing I had TB.

Since you were living in the Philippines last year, and you have children who are half-Filipino........ridiculous indeed.

Dude, I've apparently had Tuberculosis for several years. I've been living in the Philippines continuously since 2005, and greater than 50% of time from 1991 to 2004.

What is ridiculous is how fucking stupid the doctors are here.

Additionally my doctor in 2012 for my acute peptic ulcer had prescribed levofloxacin without first testing me for TB, thus if I already had TB then (which is very likely as I think it caused my ulcer) then he made my TB resistant to the only second line drug treatment for multi-drug resistant TB.

A competent doctor should not prescribe the main second line drug for curing TB to someone in a country with 70 - 80% incidence of latent TB where up to 1% of the active cases are resistant to all 4 of the first line drugs!!

If I have a strain of TB resistant to the main 4 drugs, then if that idiot doctor made my TB resistant also to levofloxacin, then basically there are no drug remaining to cure the TB!!

He was treating me for h.pylori and I had a very toxic olfactory reaction to clarithromycin so he decided to prescribe me levofloxacin, but he should know that he must test for TB before giving me levofloxacin, because it can make my TB resistant to levofloxacin, thus meaning I could become incurable. When taking levofloxacin for curing TB, you take much higher doses and for much longer prior of time, than for treating h.pylori.

That is insane. If he had tested me for TB, I wouldn't have been sick for 4 fucking years, which caused me to go bankrupt.

That is fucking ridiculous. In a foreign country, you would sue the doctor for malpractice.

I am simply giving a warning to foreigners to be very careful when visiting the third world. I don't think most foreigners realize that LTBI (latent tuberculosis infection) has a 70 - 80% incidence in the Philippines. The WHO hides that statistic by only displaying the annual rate of active disease at 0.3% who actually bother to go to a hospital (many poor people don't bother to go), but that is very misleading. Actually nearly all the people have LTBI that can become active at any moment so the likelihood of infection is very great. Also one can be active and not even realize it is TB, as in my case. I think sharing that information to my fellow foreigners is helpful.

[Idrisu]

It's really not that bad. Corruption is everywhere.

there is no were that is  safe or without corruption under the heavens currently.Trump is try to rebuild America and repositioning it again. Others nation should follow suit. America soil is being treating by many nations this day because of what the past leader did. If trump will bring sanity to the financial, political, security and emigration he has my support.

[chixka000]

Philippine citizen are very hospitable in terms of welcoming foreign beings like you. However there were also a lot of problems that you can encountered back here. People beside you thinks that you are a very rich person even if not then they would just keep on asking you for money especially on your girlfriends relatives trust me that's the reality back here

[teeneffigy]

Philippine citizen are very hospitable in terms of welcoming foreign beings like you. However there were also a lot of problems that you can encountered back here. People beside you thinks that you are a very rich person even if not then they would just keep on asking you for money especially on your girlfriends relatives trust me that's the reality back here

That sounds like the philippines is hurting bad. Maybe Duetre can kill all of the unemployed to fix the unemployment rate.

[darkseid1199]

It would be better if you stayed in the US  than go anywhere else. You will not get the freedom to the things you are doing now in the USA. Bear with the politics everything will die down eventually.

[iamnotback]

Philippine citizen are very hospitable in terms of welcoming foreign beings like you. However there were also a lot of problems that you can encountered back here. People beside you thinks that you are a very rich person even if not then they would just keep on asking you for money especially on your girlfriends relatives trust me that's the reality back here

That is correct. I highly suggest foreigners watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ6_NZDBnvA

Even the middle class girls don't want you, as they have plenty of pretty boy filipinos to choose from and they prefer their own culture especially at the young age. At any older age, the pretty ones are taken (kids, abroad, etc). If a younger middle class lady is giving you any attention, it is because she is a gold digger but she also has a younger filipino besides you (that isn't her male cousin!).

You will end up with a girl from a poor family and all her relatives (including her 5th cousins) will be pressuring her to extract money from you. She will feel compelled to do it.

And they will give you some fantastic infections and diseases over here also.

And they have no discipline at all and stuff their mouths with junk food continuously. And they are drama queens.

And you will literally have nothing to talk about with each other.

You will get so tired of their smelly food smoldering in your kitchen and the smell throughout your house.

Also they are more jealous than ringworms. Once they think you are theirs, they won't let your breathe. They will investigate your mobile phone, all your social media accounts, and keep track of you every minute of the day.

You are an ATM machine for milking and they own you. You as a person, have no meaning. They don't give a fuck about what you want, think, or your interests.

(they guy in the video did not find out about all these aspects once in a relationship, because he never found a relationship)

They are not on your level in any way, other than sex and smiles.

Philippines is for losers who want prostitutes or are want to pay for a poor girl to be their companion.

[Sithara007]

It would be better if you stayed in the US  than go anywhere else. You will not get the freedom to the things you are doing now in the USA. Bear with the politics everything will die down eventually.

There are quite a few libertarian countries out there, such as Switzerland. But then, if you have the money you can do whatever you want in most of the world nations. For example, in the Saudi Arabia, the ruling family members regularly engage in homosexual orgies and drug use, although such activities are punishable by death.

[chixka000]

Philippine citizen are very hospitable in terms of welcoming foreign beings like you. However there were also a lot of problems that you can encountered back here. People beside you thinks that you are a very rich person even if not then they would just keep on asking you for money especially on your girlfriends relatives trust me that's the reality back here

That is correct. I highly suggest foreigners watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ6_NZDBnvA

Even the middle class girls don't want you, as they have plenty of pretty boy filipinos to choose from and they prefer their own culture especially at the young age. At any older age, the pretty ones are taken (kids, abroad, etc). If a younger middle class lady is giving you any attention, it is because she is a gold digger but she also has a younger filipino besides you (that isn't her male cousin!).

You will end up with a girl from a poor family and all her relatives (including her 5th cousins) will be pressuring her to extract money from you. She will feel compelled to do it.

And they will give you some fantastic infections and diseases over here also.

And they have no discipline at all and stuff their mouths with junk food continuously. And they are drama queens.

And you will literally have nothing to talk about with each other.

You will get so tired of their smelly food smoldering in your kitchen and the smell throughout your house.

Also they are more jealous than ringworms. Once they think you are theirs, they won't let your breathe. They will investigate your mobile phone, all your social media accounts, and keep track of you every minute of the day.

You are an ATM machine for milking and they own you. You as a person, have no meaning. They don't give a fuck about what you want, think, or your interests.

(they guy in the video did not find out about all these aspects once in a relationship, because he never found a relationship)

They are not on your level in any way, other than sex and smiles.

Philippines is for losers who want prostitutes or are want to pay for a poor girl to be their companion.

Yes but of course this does not happens all the time most of the time. That is why some of the foreigners after marrying their filipina girlfriend they will directly bring them back to the states or whatsoever.

[Sithara007]

Yes but of course this does not happens all the time most of the time. That is why some of the foreigners after marrying their filipina girlfriend they will directly bring them back to the states or whatsoever.

At least these marriages are for real. In the UK, every year there are thousands of sham marriages occurring. Pakistanis and Arabs marry women from Latvia and Lithuania by giving $4,000 or $5,000 to the women. They automatically get EU work permits. There is a huge risk though, as in most of the cases the women also undergo sexual harassment from these people.

[chixka000]

Yes but of course this does not happens all the time most of the time. That is why some of the foreigners after marrying their filipina girlfriend they will directly bring them back to the states or whatsoever.

At least these marriages are for real. In the UK, every year there are thousands of sham marriages occurring. Pakistanis and Arabs marry women from Latvia and Lithuania by giving $4,000 or $5,000 to the women. They automatically get EU work permits. There is a huge risk though, as in most of the cases the women also undergo sexual harassment from these people.

Well in most cases yes but still there were some cases that they would also do this thing their relatives ask money for that certian foreigner in return they will allow their girl to marry him

[darkseid1199]

It would be better if you stayed in the US  than go anywhere else. You will not get the freedom to the things you are doing now in the USA. Bear with the politics everything will die down eventually.

There are quite a few libertarian countries out there, such as Switzerland. But then, if you have the money you can do whatever you want in most of the world nations. For example, in the Saudi Arabia, the ruling family members regularly engage in homosexual orgies and drug use, although such activities are punishable by death.

Wow if this is really true then it clearly shows that the upper classes live in a world far behind our own, Where the law is applied only when its favorable to them. They have the highest number of executions and its mainly those who speak against them.

[Sithara007]

It would be better if you stayed in the US  than go anywhere else. You will not get the freedom to the things you are doing now in the USA. Bear with the politics everything will die down eventually.

There are quite a few libertarian countries out there, such as Switzerland. But then, if you have the money you can do whatever you want in most of the world nations. For example, in the Saudi Arabia, the ruling family members regularly engage in homosexual orgies and drug use, although such activities are punishable by death.

Wow if this is really true then it clearly shows that the upper classes live in a world far behind our own, Where the law is applied only when its favorable to them. They have the highest number of executions and its mainly those who speak against them.

Recently, a Saudi Royal family member was caught while trying to smuggle 3 tons of methamphetamine from Jordan, using his personal helicopter. He was let off after powerful members called the border officials. But if you are a commoner, then even carrying 1 gram of meth can get you a death sentence.

[sergeyzol]

It would be better if you stayed in the US  than go anywhere else. You will not get the freedom to the things you are doing now in the USA. Bear with the politics everything will die down eventually.

There are quite a few libertarian countries out there, such as Switzerland. But then, if you have the money you can do whatever you want in most of the world nations. For example, in the Saudi Arabia, the ruling family members regularly engage in homosexual orgies and drug use, although such activities are punishable by death.

Wow if this is really true then it clearly shows that the upper classes live in a world far behind our own, Where the law is applied only when its favorable to them. They have the highest number of executions and its mainly those who speak against them.

Recently, a Saudi Royal family member was caught while trying to smuggle 3 tons of methamphetamine from Jordan, using his personal helicopter. He was let off after powerful members called the border officials. But if you are a commoner, then even carrying 1 gram of meth can get you a death sentence.

You're wrong. Only recently was executed, two members of the Royal family of Saudi Arabia. They killed people. And one of them has committed murder in a brawl. You are in Russia can you give me one such example?

[Sithara007]

You're wrong. Only recently was executed, two members of the Royal family of Saudi Arabia. They killed people. And one of them has committed murder in a brawl. You are in Russia can you give me one such example?

It is a different thing when they are killing someone or attempting a coup. Check this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3290143/Saudi-prince-arrested-two-tonnes-amphetamines-loaded-private-jet-Lebanese-officials-foil-biggest-drug-smuggling-attempt-history.html

Prince Abdel Mohsen Bin Walid Bin Abdulaziz was among those arrested. He was deported to Saudi Arabia, and he was let off with a warning. Apparently, the drugs were ordered by the crown prince.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950221000235

[trollercoaster]

Philippine citizen are very hospitable in terms of welcoming foreign beings like you. However there were also a lot of problems that you can encountered back here. People beside you thinks that you are a very rich person even if not then they would just keep on asking you for money especially on your girlfriends relatives trust me that's the reality back here

That is correct. I highly suggest foreigners watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ6_NZDBnvA

Even the middle class girls don't want you, as they have plenty of pretty boy filipinos to choose from and they prefer their own culture especially at the young age. At any older age, the pretty ones are taken (kids, abroad, etc). If a younger middle class lady is giving you any attention, it is because she is a gold digger but she also has a younger filipino besides you (that isn't her male cousin!).

You will end up with a girl from a poor family and all her relatives (including her 5th cousins) will be pressuring her to extract money from you. She will feel compelled to do it.

And they will give you some fantastic infections and diseases over here also.

And they have no discipline at all and stuff their mouths with junk food continuously. And they are drama queens.

And you will literally have nothing to talk about with each other.

You will get so tired of their smelly food smoldering in your kitchen and the smell throughout your house.

Also they are more jealous than ringworms. Once they think you are theirs, they won't let your breathe. They will investigate your mobile phone, all your social media accounts, and keep track of you every minute of the day.

You are an ATM machine for milking and they own you. You as a person, have no meaning. They don't give a fuck about what you want, think, or your interests.

(they guy in the video did not find out about all these aspects once in a relationship, because he never found a relationship)

They are not on your level in any way, other than sex and smiles.

Philippines is for losers who want prostitutes or are want to pay for a poor girl to be their companion.

Lmao this is true, seen it more often than not, be careful

[Leprikon]

You're wrong. Only recently was executed, two members of the Royal family of Saudi Arabia. They killed people. And one of them has committed murder in a brawl. You are in Russia can you give me one such example?

It is a different thing when they are killing someone or attempting a coup. Check this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3290143/Saudi-prince-arrested-two-tonnes-amphetamines-loaded-private-jet-Lebanese-officials-foil-biggest-drug-smuggling-attempt-history.html

Prince Abdel Mohsen Bin Walid Bin Abdulaziz was among those arrested. He was deported to Saudi Arabia, and he was let off with a warning. Apparently, the drugs were ordered by the crown prince.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950221000235

Can you show an example of even worse. Kadyrov. He killed Russian soldiers and fought on the side of vakhabites against Russia. Then he was pardoned and received the title of hero of Russia! What country are heroes!!!

[Sithara007]

Can you show an example of even worse. Kadyrov. He killed Russian soldiers and fought on the side of vakhabites against Russia. Then he was pardoned and received the title of hero of Russia! What country are heroes!!!

There are no permanent enemies in war. For example, during the WW2, 60,000 Italian women (including girls under the age of 10) were raped by Muslim mercenaries from Morocco (employed by the Americans). Ever heard of the term Marocchinate? But that is old story. Morocco and Italy are the best of the friends now.

[igorokavg13]

Can you show an example of even worse. Kadyrov. He killed Russian soldiers and fought on the side of vakhabites against Russia. Then he was pardoned and received the title of hero of Russia! What country are heroes!!!

There are no permanent enemies in war. For example, during the WW2, 60,000 Italian women (including girls under the age of 10) were raped by Muslim mercenaries from Morocco (employed by the Americans). Ever heard of the term Marocchinate? But that is old story. Morocco and Italy are the best of the friends now.

And I know many stories when Russian soldiers raped and pillaged the Germans during world war 2. Or Russian soldiers robbed and raped now in Ukraine? What a Russian General even jailed for the rape of a girl in Chechnya!

[Sithara007]

And I know many stories when Russian soldiers raped and pillaged the Germans during world war 2. Or Russian soldiers robbed and raped now in Ukraine? What a Russian General even jailed for the rape of a girl in Chechnya!

There were no Russian soldiers participating in the WW2. There were "Soviet" soldiers. The term "Soviet" includes your country as well (Ukraine). A large part of the rapists were from the Ukrainian SSR.

But the WW2 history is a bit complex. When Nazi Germany invaded the USSR, the Nazis raped millions of Soviet children and women (especially in Belorussian SSR and Ukrainian SSR). Most of the women who were raped by the Nazis were killed soon after. It was ordered by Hitler, and none of the perpetrators were tried fr their crimes (even after the war). When the USSR conquered Germany in 1945, some of the Soviet soldiers went for revenge, raping German women (unfortunately most of them didn't had any connection with the Nazi party). Many of these soldiers were immediately arrested, and executed.

[ovvidiy]

And I know many stories when Russian soldiers raped and pillaged the Germans during world war 2. Or Russian soldiers robbed and raped now in Ukraine? What a Russian General even jailed for the rape of a girl in Chechnya!

There were no Russian soldiers participating in the WW2. There were "Soviet" soldiers. The term "Soviet" includes your country as well (Ukraine). A large part of the rapists were from the Ukrainian SSR.

But the WW2 history is a bit complex. When Nazi Germany invaded the USSR, the Nazis raped millions of Soviet children and women (especially in Belorussian SSR and Ukrainian SSR). Most of the women who were raped by the Nazis were killed soon after. It was ordered by Hitler, and none of the perpetrators were tried fr their crimes (even after the war). When the USSR conquered Germany in 1945, some of the Soviet soldiers went for revenge, raping German women (unfortunately most of them didn't had any connection with the Nazi party). Many of these soldiers were immediately arrested, and executed.

Weird. For some reason I thought you were smarter than that. I like your opinions on this forum, but to write such nonsense... You have disappointed me. Where did you get such statistics? Is not afford even RT.

[iamnotback]

Wear a well fitted mask over your mouth and nose while traveling and being exposed to people, especially if you traveling even in South Korea, Asia in general, Russia, Eastern Europe and pretty much any where other than very white affluent areas of the world:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg17927248#msg17927248
https://drtbnetwork.org/17-using-xpert-mtbrif-diagnose-mdr-tb

[Sithara007]

And I know many stories when Russian soldiers raped and pillaged the Germans during world war 2. Or Russian soldiers robbed and raped now in Ukraine? What a Russian General even jailed for the rape of a girl in Chechnya!

There were no Russian soldiers participating in the WW2. There were "Soviet" soldiers. The term "Soviet" includes your country as well (Ukraine). A large part of the rapists were from the Ukrainian SSR.

But the WW2 history is a bit complex. When Nazi Germany invaded the USSR, the Nazis raped millions of Soviet children and women (especially in Belorussian SSR and Ukrainian SSR). Most of the women who were raped by the Nazis were killed soon after. It was ordered by Hitler, and none of the perpetrators were tried fr their crimes (even after the war). When the USSR conquered Germany in 1945, some of the Soviet soldiers went for revenge, raping German women (unfortunately most of them didn't had any connection with the Nazi party). Many of these soldiers were immediately arrested, and executed.

Weird. For some reason I thought you were smarter than that. I like your opinions on this forum, but to write such nonsense... You have disappointed me. Where did you get such statistics? Is not afford even RT.

What I had posted is 100% true. But the mainstream media and the western historians usually ignore these facts. Check these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rapes_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rapes

[HabBear]

You're leaving the US for the wrong reason. You should be leaving the US because you can earn more money in the US and things are cheaper in the 3rd world country.

The income-spend arbitrage is huge! And it's a great reason to leave the US.

I'm not kidding, but I also understand the other reasons to leave the US. Politics or whatever, do as you will and don't look back. You're much better than those that threaten to leave and then do not.

[Sithara007]

You're leaving the US for the wrong reason. You should be leaving the US because you can earn more money in the US and things are cheaper in the 3rd world country.

If you have the right skills, then you can earn decent amounts of money in the third world nations also. And it is also possible to earn revenues from the US, while residing in a third world nation such as the Philippines or Thailand.

[iamnotback]

The idiot Marxist from the global warming thread comes over here to try his luck at putting his foot in his mouth some more...

80% of the people in the Philippines have Tuberculosis which is a very serious illness spread by coughing. You will catch this. I did. You will then need 6 months of medicines and you will never be guaranteed to be cured. You can relapse later in life.

If the TB is multi-drug resistant, you are in big trouble.

http://www.philstar.com/health-and-family/763897/tuberculosis-philippines-10-things-you-should-know

Incidence of Tuberculosis in Philippines is 322 per 100,000 or 0.3% according to the World Bank.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.TBS.INCD?name_desc=true

Those are active symptomatic TB disease admitted to a hospital for treatment on an annual basis.

It appears to be difficult to get the LTBI rate online, probably because the government does not warn to alarm you idiots about how bad the problem really is. But the doctors have all told me the rate of LTBI is 70 - 80%.

The incidence of latent TB infection is 70 - 80%. Here is one resource that documents the infection rate is 8 to 12 times higher than the smear positive incidence rate:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18235886

Even amongst healthcare workers in the Philippines the LTBI (latent TB) rate was measured at 27%:

http://www.ejbronchology.eg.net/article.asp?issn=1687-8426;year=2015;volume=9;issue=2;spage=183;epage=187;aulast=Abdelghaffar

The following resource says 2.33 billion people have LTBI:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4024230/

Here is a 46% LTBI incidence in a village in China:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4440671/

The 0.3% active annual TB incidence is not unreported active TB prevalence, which is at least double of that and much more likely given how filipino culture favors suffering and not going to hospitals (more so than northern peoples such as those in Laos) that I suspect prevalence much higher probably > 1% a year.

So that means in any given year, the risk of TB infection is greater than 1.2% and relatively speaking it looks like it must be about 3 - 5% on average. Given I have been in the Philippines culmulatively for ~26 years, so my risk of TB infection is virtually the same as the general population thus 70 - 80% incidence of TB infection (not necessary active disease, just infection). And given I did not shield myself from the ~100% endemic TB infection incidence squalor population, my risk of TB infection is about 100% (and I do have TB).

So I hope you see how the 0.3% active annual TB incidence figure from the WHO is so misleading.

In other words in the Philippines, from the pool of an estimated 70 - 80% who are TB positive, roughly 3 - 5% become active and contagious with each year.

Risk of infection from living with a TB patient is greater than 38%. Contact with people from increased poverty increases risk of infection.

The incidence of MDR (multi-drug resistant) TB is very high in the Philippines. This is nasty shit:

MDR-TB IN THE PHILIPPINES: ONE WOMAN’S FIGHT
Mildred Fernando was diagnosed with tuberculosis in her native Philippines nearly 12 years ago, at age 19. We caught up with Mildred after she spoke at a RESULTS event for World TB Day 2013, eager to hear more about her experience with a multidrug-resistant strain of the disease, the help she received from the Global Fund and her courageous, decade-long fight back to health.

Friends: So why don’t we start with a little bit of the history behind your experience with multidrug-resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB).

Mildred: I was diagnosed to have TB in the year 2001; I was at my last semester in college during that time. I got it from my father. I went to a private doctor for treatment and diagnosis was through x-rays only. So the doctor gave me first line drugs, and then I took them every day. After six months, I wasn’t cured. And then another cycle took place with the same doctor, still using x-rays. My father already had resistance to drugs, but I don’t know why the doctor didn’t intend for me to undergo certain tests.

After five years, the last doctor said that she didn’t have any drugs that she could give to me. So she referred me to the Global Fund-financed Tropical Disease Foundation (TDF). I went there, they had me screened, and then I underwent sputum collection. I finished my treatment after 18 months. During that period I suffered from electrolyte imbalance and drug-induced hepatitis. I had profound hearing loss, especially in my right ear.

In August 2008, I was declared cured. After six months, I went back to TDF for my first post-treatment check-up. And I found out that I relapsed.

Friends: [Oh my God.]

Yeah, it was actually a decade of TB. So I relapsed, and I had to undergo another treatment for 24 months, which was covered by a clinical trial. I was confined in the hospital for six months. I lived in the hospital for six months. I underwent an operation and they put a catheter in my right arm, where one of the injectable drugs is administered twice a day for six months. After six months, I had lung surgery. So part of my right lung was cut out, and after my surgery I continued to do my treatment until I finished my 24 months of treatment.

Click here for a world map of MDR-TB incidence amongst previously treated patients.

Apparently I was mistaken, and the 14% is for MDR in previously treated patients. For new patients, it is 2 - 4%.  Apparently no worse than the USA:

http://openres.ersjournals.com/content/1/1/00010-2015

[Sithara007]

^^^^^ Normal healthy people don't catch MDR-TB from short-duration atmospheric exposure. But if you are living in a slum and has to inhale contaminated air 24x7, then it is a different case. That said, I don't think that the American expats will have to live in slum areas.

[iamnotback]

^^^^^ Normal healthy people don't catch MDR-TB from short-duration atmospheric exposure. But if you are living in a slum and has to inhale contaminated air 24x7, then it is a different case. That said, I don't think that the American expats will have to live in slum areas.

I am not sure if that is correct or not.

Although living next to a slum where there is likely a high incidence of infection likely means a higher risk of infection, I don't know if that implies higher risk of MDR-TB strain (as a percentage of infected cases).

The MDR-TB strains are created by those who medicate. Since many people in the slums didn't medicate then maybe you are incorrect.

But seems that in recent decade, the people in the slums are medicating and even not completing their meds, so in that case I think you are correct.

But the fact remains that every year you as a foreigner stay in the Philippines and interact with the people, even if you are not in a slum, you multiply your risk of TB infection by roughly 1.03 - 1.05. So compound that by the number of years you stay here.

E.g. 3 years in the Philippines gives you roughly a 1.03³ = 1.093 = 9% risk.

Of course if you get close with people who are coughing, you probably increase your risk significantly.

So you are correct that if you have your own car and don't use taxis, public transportation, live by yourself in upscale apartment or house, and don't hang out in crowded enclosed places such as the mall, then you probably reduce your risk significantly. Taxi drivers are often coughing.

[Slow death]

If you have the right skills, then you can earn decent amounts of money in the third world nations also.

You can even earn a considerable amount per month, but the problems that these third world countries have makes their money become nothing,

In my country has bumpy roads, has water problems, energy problems and poor quality health system, lack equipment for everything.

Why the hell would someone living in the US come out and live in a country like mine? I would honestly call that person crazy.

I see some American citizens coming to live here and I can not understand why?

[ValeryBark]

It seems to me that to live in third world countries good only when to make money going in America. Moving of America is more of a PR move. I doubt very much that someone to decide on it.

[Sithara007]

It seems to me that to live in third world countries good only when to make money going in America. Moving of America is more of a PR move. I doubt very much that someone to decide on it.

It is not a PR move. In 2016, more than 5,000 people had their American citizenship revoked, and almost all of them gave up their passport voluntarily. In 2015, this number was only around 1,000.

[Maximilian_333]

It seems to me that to live in third world countries good only when to make money going in America. Moving of America is more of a PR move. I doubt very much that someone to decide on it.

It is not a PR move. In 2016, more than 5,000 people had their American citizenship revoked, and almost all of them gave up their passport voluntarily. In 2015, this number was only around 1,000.

What's the reason that they surrendered their passports? Maybe they like Snowden? I think you need to be a complete idiot to take an American passport. In General, where we have good. We used to see only the America that is shown in movies. We do not see abandoned towns and cities from the trailers.

[Sithara007]

What's the reason that they surrendered their passports? Maybe they like Snowden? I think you need to be a complete idiot to take an American passport. In General, where we have good. We used to see only the America that is shown in movies. We do not see abandoned towns and cities from the trailers.

You should remember that all the American citizens need to pay income tax irrespective of their residential status. So if someone is working in Ireland or Germany, first he needs to pay the local income tax, and then the American federal income tax. This double taxation is creating a lot of problems for the American citizens, and a lot of them are opting to surrender their citizenship.

[iamnotback]

You should remember that all the American citizens need to pay income tax irrespective of their residential status. So if someone is working in Ireland or Germany, first he needs to pay the local income tax, and then the American federal income tax. This double taxation is creating a lot of problems for the American citizens, and a lot of them are opting to surrender their citizenship.

Incorrect. Income taxation treaties prevent double-taxation. Besides an expat (meeting the foreign residency test, e.g. 335 days of the year outside the USA) doesn't pay federal income taxes on the first $100,000 of foreign earned income.

[Sithara007]

If you have the right skills, then you can earn decent amounts of money in the third world nations also.

You can even earn a considerable amount per month, but the problems that these third world countries have makes their money become nothing,

In my country has bumpy roads, has water problems, energy problems and poor quality health system, lack equipment for everything.

Why the hell would someone living in the US come out and live in a country like mine? I would honestly call that person crazy.

I see some American citizens coming to live here and I can not understand why?

Actually, it is not that hard to comprehend. In the US, if you are living in a metro city such as New York or Los Angeles, even if you are earning around $5,000 per month, that may not be enough to cover the expenses. On the other hand, if you are living in a developed nation such as Thailand or Costa Rica, your monthly expenses will rarely cross $2,000. The remainder can be saved for future use.

[Casanova18]

If you have the right skills, then you can earn decent amounts of money in the third world nations also.

You can even earn a considerable amount per month, but the problems that these third world countries have makes their money become nothing,

In my country has bumpy roads, has water problems, energy problems and poor quality health system, lack equipment for everything.

Why the hell would someone living in the US come out and live in a country like mine? I would honestly call that person crazy.

I see some American citizens coming to live here and I can not understand why?

Actually, it is not that hard to comprehend. In the US, if you are living in a metro city such as New York or Los Angeles, even if you are earning around $5,000 per month, that may not be enough to cover the expenses. On the other hand, if you are living in a developed nation such as Thailand or Costa Rica, your monthly expenses will rarely cross $2,000. The remainder can be saved for future use.

The idea of course is good, but how do you imagine to live in Costa Rica, and receive a salary from new York? This is possible only among the IT companies but the competition in this market is large and therefore cannot be considered as a mass example.

[Sithara007]

The idea of course is good, but how do you imagine to live in Costa Rica, and receive a salary from new York? This is possible only among the IT companies but the competition in this market is large and therefore cannot be considered as a mass example.

If you are working in web designing or coding, then you can get similar jobs from New York or Miami, even while residing in Costa Rica or Mexico. That is the advantage of freelancing. It is mutually beneficial for the employee, as well as the employer.

[iamnotback]

Fools go live in developing countries:

http://global-diseases.healthgrove.com/stories/20689/diseases-developing-countries#35-Tuberculosis

... [detailed history]...

In short, I've been through 10 - 11 years of hell (or 22 years if you include the mistake of finding my ex in the Philippines), mostly because I decided to travel and live in a 3rd world country and also took pride/solace in being like Jesus and living amongst some of the most indigent people on earth. Big mistake!

Liver pain (which also causes the back of my head to itch and ache and chronic fatigue) is preventing me from doing any productive work. Just sleeping always (not always comfortably). 12 (to 15) more days on the 4 drug regimen. The meds are toxic to the liver (as was the disseminated TB infection before I started the meds). But there is no guarantee that the liver pain won't continue for the additional 16 weeks (minus 3 days) on the 2 drug regimen.    

...

There is a much better new PaMZ treatment for TB coming from the http://TBalliance.org in a couple of years. In Phase 3 trials now. Will also be effective against MDR-TB.

The current treatment for MDR-TB is horrific:

TB is the world's deadliest infectious disease, killing 1.8 million people each year.

TB patients urgently need new and better antibiotics. Treatment for drug-resistant TB is long, toxic, complicated, and expensive. It can consist of more than two years of a dozen or more pills per day, along with six months of daily injections. And for those unfortunate enough to have extensively resistant TB, even if they take every one of those 20,000 toxic pills and hundreds of injections, they will still have less than a one in three chance of survival.

I don't know if I have MDR-TB or not. I suppose my risk of having it is greater than 4%. I am not treating for MDR-TB...

Btw, most of those over age 60 here the Philippines don't survive the medicines...

Just in case, I saw the antibiotic ofloxacine (fluoroquinolons class) in your thread. Worst antibiotic used, the nuclear bomb of meds, which side effects are very well known and documented after ruining many lives, especially healthy athlets. Similar to your diseases.

It is true that my condition worsened after taking that antibiotic for 24 days in 2012.

That is another reason if I do have MDR-TB, I'd prefer to wait for the experimental PaMZ treatment to become approved than to go with the 20,000 pills and 100s of injections currently employed to attempt to cure it.

I doubt most readers appreciate (the gravity of) how toxic these antibiotics I am taking could be. Any way, I am optimistic, because I am somewhat superman especially with my willpower to push myself on athletics in spite of the ailments. I am already getting strong sprinting results (age 52 in June!) and only 9 - 12 more days to go on the 4-drug intensive phase (of the non-MDR-TB treatment). My feces and digestion is consistently back to normal for the first time in years. Still battling sometimes the liver pain and fatigue, but not yesterday and today (probably need to just maintain strict diet until I complete the liver toxic meds so as to not add extra stress on my liver).

Past years have been an ordeal. And I am ready to put it behind me and get on...

...let's please put the health discussion to rest (unless there is some important unexpected outcome) and get back focused on what we have to do.

I worked 17 hours yesterday. And I was awake 2am and already 6 more hours worked thus far today.


I can't emphasize enough to avoid these infections and the developing countries.

(Apologies to those in the developing countries, but get your culture more organized such as the persistent laziness, theft from your employer as a form of extra income, lack of word of honor and responsibility, horrendous education system where teachers go on seminar every week, cancel classes, and extort money from their students, etc, etc).

[anticolay26]

Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

[Sithara007]

Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

Renouncing the American citizenship is a very simple and straight-forward process. But gaining one can take as much as 15 or 20 years. These guys will understand the value of their American passports, once they renounce them.

[Okurkabinladin]

Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

Renouncing the American citizenship is a very simple and straight-forward process. But gaining one can take as much as 15 or 20 years. These guys will understand the value of their American passports, once they renounce them.

Exactly.

And where is OP? Does the "new life" in Philliphines utopia work out for him? Did he get a cold feet just before revoking his citizenship?

Questions, questions...

As a side note, contaginous diseases should play only very small part in decision of adult man to emigrate or not. As should momental result of elections.

If you emigrate only and solely, because you disagree with some part of ongoing trend in politics - you will never stop running.

[signature200]

Congrats! America will be a better place to live without brain-dead liberals like you. Also, you must renounce the American citizenship as soon as possible, else you have to pay income tax on your earnings in Philippines.

Renouncing the American citizenship is a very simple and straight-forward process. But gaining one can take as much as 15 or 20 years. These guys will understand the value of their American passports, once they renounce them.

No one will ever give up my American passport. It was a PR campaign which does not carry meaning. If you don't agree with the policy Trump stay and fight. What is the point to leave? Besides, try to find a decent replacement for American citizenship.

[solitare]

I hope you did actually leave.

Maybe if you didn't want to be controlled by a boss, you should have started your own business.
As long as you are an employee you will always be controlled by a boss, no matter where you live.

[crypto.classroom]

I hope you did actually leave.

Maybe if you didn't want to be controlled by a boss, you should have started your own business.
As long as you are an employee you will always be controlled by a boss, no matter where you live.

I am in agreement about starting your own business.  Got to be free and stand on our own to have a real chance of ever getting anywhere

[nutildah]

sold a toyota

[BADecker]

Try https://internationalliving.com/ and https://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/.

[darklus123]

That's a good thing lol. I am actually a poor person here on pH but I also am living my life the hell I want. Traveling was my main priority always considering the fact that I don't have a job currently lol.

What do you think by the way of the current president? Trust me there are a lot of good things that are currently happening in the Philippines government so it might be somehow worth it moving here for awhile.

[BADecker]

Rather, leave the US for a 1st world country... the State you are residing in. Become a State Citizen rather than a US citizen. http://coppermoonshinestills.com/id71.html

[Darker45]

And since you've been here for more than a year now, can you say that you are not jumping from the political frying pan into the political fire? LOL!

[TimeBits]

You made the right decision, I am proud of you. You will not be killed in the next war. You still fund war machines, but at least those war machines you fund are in defense of the Philippines, not aggro like the USA.

[nutildah]

sold a pea

[darklus123]

Well, Duterte is controversial, no doubt about that. Most people seem to like him and respect what he's trying to accomplish. The only people who don't like him are businessmen from Manila. His job is not an easy one, that's for sure.

I'm thinking about leaving Mindanao later this month for somewhere else. Any suggestions? I'm currently looking at:

- Cebu
- Bohol
- El Nido

I could go back to Manila, but... the traffic there is killer and its a bit too much of a madhouse for me. I really enjoy Angeles and Subic but I've been there, done that.

I just want to ask you a question. Are you doing a home based job as of now? what kind of environment are you actually looking for. But since you have stated that traffic is completely making you crazy. Cebu is not a very good option for you because as of the moment if  how toxic can the traffic congestion in Manila, you should expect the same thing here in the mainland Cebu.

But if you are going to try considering the better parts of Cebu. You can try checking out Bantayan Island where you can feel a bitch vibe and camotes main island. El nido is also good but I think there is a 3 or 6 months shut down as well for cleaning up their beaches. Lesser traffic as well but I think even you are a foreign, the prices their is somehow closer to Manila prices.


Bohol is good if you love a county vibe and the prices their are pretty good when it comes to a mid class person. Panglao tho, for me is pretty toxic even if the place it self is really good. The prices their are too much for an average Filipino. The locals somehow increases more the prices when they deal with a foreign like you.

Siargao can also be a good place for you. I am not sure about the prices their but this island is pretty good.

[Darker45]

And since you've been here for more than a year now, can you say that you are not jumping from the political frying pan into the political fire? LOL!

Well, Duterte is controversial, no doubt about that. Most people seem to like him and respect what he's trying to accomplish. The only people who don't like him are businessmen from Manila. His job is not an easy one, that's for sure.

I'm thinking about leaving Mindanao later this month for somewhere else. Any suggestions? I'm currently looking at:

- Cebu
- Bohol
- El Nido

I could go back to Manila, but... the traffic there is killer and its a bit too much of a madhouse for me. I really enjoy Angeles and Subic but I've been there, done that.

Duterte is not your conventional man. He's stirring the pot and the oligarchs in the gateway to hell* which is Manila is reacting. But he can easily command respect. I have been living here in Davao City for more than a decade and I can say that people here are more disciplined than the rest.

All right, let's talk about these three places you've mentioned.

Cebu- Beautiful province with a lot to offer. Avoid the city. It is almost like Manila*. I can recommend canyoneering in Badian, swimming in Bantayan, snorkeling in Moalboal. And if you decide to drop by Malapascua, we might be bumping each other there.  

Bohol- I grew up here. Again, the island has much to offer. Almost every town has a tourist attraction. But of course, the beach is the banner spot. The downside is that it is really expensive there to the point of being overpriced. I don't know if this matters to you though.

El Nido- A beautiful place. Islands and beaches mostly, and some simply nice bars. Avoid the season though. It makes the place overcrowded. Might wanna proceed to Linapacan, i.e., if you want serenity. The islands there will be yours alone.

Cebu and El Nido got my vote. It's a tie. A toss of a coin maybe? Make no mistake, Bohol is really beautiful but I have a little ironic bias as it is my hometown.

And if you're fond of tattoos, the gateway to hell will be the place come Sept. 20-21. It's Dutdutan, the country's tattoo festival.

Siargao can also be a good place for you. I am not sure about the prices their but this island is pretty good.

Thanks, darklus123 for this suggestion.

Nutildah should seriously consider this. A peaceful island, very accommodating resorts and locals, and with other attractions besides the beach. I've been there 3 or 4 years ago. I cannot remember complaining about prices.

[TimeBits]

And since you've been here for more than a year now, can you say that you are not jumping from the political frying pan into the political fire? LOL!

Well, Duterte is controversial, no doubt about that. Most people seem to like him and respect what he's trying to accomplish. The only people who don't like him are businessmen from Manila. His job is not an easy one, that's for sure.

I'm thinking about leaving Mindanao later this month for somewhere else. Any suggestions? I'm currently looking at:

- Cebu
- Bohol
- El Nido

I could go back to Manila, but... the traffic there is killer and its a bit too much of a madhouse for me. I really enjoy Angeles and Subic but I've been there, done that.

Come live on my Farm in Ontario Canada (now BITCOIN LAND), As a native I have claimed my land back and have separated from the rest of Canada, I own my own country now, and we only use bitcoin atm no fiat here. The first country to only use bitcoin.

We don`t need any other countries imports, we are a self sustaining country.

We plan to move to international waters next, where we will anchor down our islands and become new found land, and not even have to abide by international water laws, because we will be new land masses.

Soon we will have more land than all of the U.N combined.  

The bitcoin society coming to a $lave world near you!

We are all also members of the "church or wahtever you want to call it of bitcoin" we don`t pay tax on any of our bitcoins and the goverment cannot take our bitcoins away! as it is our non religious religious belief !

[af_newbie]

MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

You have no idea what you are getting yourself into.  Travelling might be very educational for you.
You will be back in 2-3 years, with your tail between your legs.  Only then you'll know that North America, Europe are the best places to live and raise your family. 

You can find good, safe, cheap places to live right here in the US.  You have not looked hard enough.

BTW, it is not just your girlfriend you'll be supporting, all her extended family and their families will be on your "payroll". LOL.

Go on an extended vacation, for a few months, that is about it.  Never relocate permanently or give up your US citizenship.  That is just plain stupid.

How are you going to support yourself, teaching English?  What is the average net worth of English teachers abroad?

[nutildah]

sold a walnut

[ArchSaint]

The community voted... Not sure why thats an issue on who won

Also, its a pretty bold statement outlining facts and myths... But I understand that its all perspective

3rd world isnt all what its cracked up to be... but you have to take the blinders off

[KingScorpio]

MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

it is not going to get better, once trump goes and with him the bankers, usa will fall appart into an urban ghetto society with decayin infrastructure, leftists will be much much worse. usa will become like venezuela.

[darklus123]

Yes, I work from my computer, so all I really need is a decent internet connection. If no WiFi, then there has to be a Smart or Globe signal around. I don't have a car, but I just remember it being such a pain in the ass to even go a couple of miles in Manila. Maybe I'll look for a place a little outside of Cebu.

There is actually a small island that very closed to cebu mainland. It is called as Lapu Lapu City, thats the place where the Iron Man sports is being held every year. You will also not be having huge issues about your internet connection cause its pretty urbanized place.

The only thing in there is that there are a lot of koreans lol. Probably the best thing you can consider there is that it is where the airport of cebu located. But then again it can be a pain in the ass if you will decide to go for a ride in the mainland.


The last place you can consider in cebu is the place they called Balamban. I've been there only twice even tho that place is not known for good beaches the place is really peaceful. Far from the congisted cebu city traffic. And as far as I know they also have a decent internet connection there

[Darker45]

Cebu- Beautiful province with a lot to offer. Avoid the city. It is almost like Manila*. I can recommend canyoneering in Badian, swimming in Bantayan, snorkeling in Moalboal. And if you decide to drop by Malapascua, we might be bumping each other there. 

I'm really leaning toward Cebu. Its probably safer than Mindanao, so that's a step up. I'll also be more likely to find an American bar or two where I can watch the NFL games as the season is fast approaching. Its a great excuse for drinking in the early afternoon, or morning if one was so inclined.

Ugh! Who needs an excuse, anyway? Not a digital nomad for sure. 

Here's a tip for a rolling stone like you, if you can't find a nice American sports bar somewhere in your spot in Cebu, Dumaguete City is just a boat away. There's definitely one there.

[BADecker]

Canada or Belize.     

[nutildah]

Bought my plane tickets for Cebu today!

There is actually a small island that very closed to cebu mainland. It is called as Lapu Lapu City, thats the place where the Iron Man sports is being held every year. You will also not be having huge issues about your internet connection cause its pretty urbanized place.

Mactan, Lapu Lapu looks quite nice, but a bit expensive. It seems there's a lot of Americans around there. Perhaps once I get settled I can find a better deal around there.

The only thing in there is that there are a lot of koreans lol.

Yeah thats OK, I don't mind Koreans so much. There were a lot that lived in Angeles City. At least they add some decent restaurants to the mix, wherever they are. I kind of miss kimchi.

[GreatArkansas]

I did move, and I haven't been back for a year and a half!  

Since you already a year and a half and I think you are still using your working visa right?
I want to ask if now, you can live permanently here in the Philippines without needing some documents to process time to time or need some renewal?

And, where is much strict for staying in some country which you are not a citizen there; like when you are from the Philippines and decided to stay and become a citizen of United States or, you are from the United States and decided to stay and become a citizen of the Philippines?

[nutildah]

sold a rat

[tvbcof]

...
A few things I miss for sure about the U.S.:

- cheese! I miss all the different selections of cheese, and milk, like real, actual cold milk... impossible to find.
...

Found some real blue cheese at Centrio today, but it's pretty marginal.  About 1/3 times I've gotten Bukidnon milk at SM it's pretty good.

[pimchanbuabueng]

and everyone should blame Trump LOL

[nutildah]

sold a sprout

[tvbcof]

Ah, whattayaknow, another CDO guy.  ...

My suspicion is that Mindanao can and does grow/raise high quality foodstuffs, but nearly 100% of it is exported to places where there is more money.

One of my few mis-estimations and disappointments about the so-called 'developing world' was it not being as common as I thought to trot down to the local market and pick up food items straight from local farms and gardens.  Probably that does happen more in other environments which I am not exposed to.  When I'm in CDO I stay up on the hill with all the other 'rich' people.  Franky speaking, the alternatives put me at higher levels of risk than I desire here in Mindanao, or at least that is my perception.

Looks to me like what happened in The Philippines was that the earlier 1970's vintage plans to make the country safe for U.S. corporations by limiting population proved impractical.  (See. National Security Study Memorandum 200.)  You cannot make people so stupid fast enough that they don't notice you killing/sterilizing 50% of them or whatever figure you need for 'sustainability'.  But it turns out that you really don't need to kill people.  You can have a 'safe' population of nearly any density if the peeps have the appropriate 'character'.  Methods to achieve such a thing were recognized by earlier scientism-ists:

In his 1952 book, “The Impact of Science on Society”, Bertrand Russell gave us forewarning about the plans for the use of vaccination, education and other practices to control the populace. And Russell was a well-recognised NWO insider.

On pp49-50, he says:

Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy.

It may be worthwhile to spend a few moments in speculating as to possible future developments of those that are oligarchies. It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: what he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx. In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. (My emphasis)

I shared the essence of this with you previously, but it is just so clear and so important in our time, as we live with the reality of these plans. It also overlaps with the content of this Aldous Huxley speech from 1962. The two Huxley brothers were also key NWO insiders.

The parts of The Philippines I have seen are heavily contaminated with processed foods, and certain potentially genocidal multi-national corporations pretty much own vast swaths of the markets (e.g., Nestle.)  They also use bargain-basement vaccinations not authorized for use in the country of manufacture.  So, they've got the 'diet' and 'injection' part covered.

In order to radically draw down the mean IQ and get rid of potential troublemakers one can give the statistical outliers who, by accident of fate or physiology elude the engineered idiocracy, 6-figure jobs outside of the country.  I met a number of such people when I was working in Silicon Valley.

My belief is that the Americans peeps are targeted in exactly the same way as 'developing world' people are, but vastly more resources and vastly 'higher technology' is used against this threat.  Americans are a fatter chicken to pluck both individually and as the reward for winning the nation.  And the results show.  Americans are overloaded with expensive prescription drugs.  Their suicide rate is 4 or 5 times that of Filipinos.  Filipinos can stay alive and in some ways thrive on a resource allotment which most Americans cannot imagine.  Physically the average Filipino man looks like a different species than the average American...and a lot more fit one.  The women might look overweight sometimes but on closer examination it is mostly a matter of ratios of subcutaneous fat and that is an ethnic thing.

I made a conscious decision to get out of the United States before having a family.  I consider the environment in the United States to be fraught with health risks which most people cannot recognize and truly frightful ones heading our way like a freight train (see. 'Healthy People 2020'.)  I consider the environment in places like The Philippines with it's germs, half rotten street food, etc to be significantly more prone to produce strong and healthy people than 'sterile environments like the developed parts of the U.S., and that's not even factoring in the more 'conspiratorial' threats to health.

Another philosophical reason I had for voting with my feet:  I consider that anything I add economical to the United States goes directly to the creation of misery and death _all around the world_.  Morally we are plumbing the depths of depravity on a political level.  I blame our monetary system (with it's privately owned central bank) as the driving force for this, but it's complicated.  One problem that The Philippines does NOT have is exporting terror and death...outside of their borders...  Maybe if they were a richer nation they would, but they are not and it will be a long while before they are even in a position to have that option.

At the end of the day, I've spent considerable time in The Philippines now.  I like the people and the culture even though I find it frustrating at times.  At this point I figure it was one of the best decisions I've made in my life, but we'll see if that remains the case as time goes by.  I left a lot behind in the U.S. and I had a nearly ideal life there.  I just see storm clouds gathering and wanted to do some things which I didn't consider compatible with life in the West.  There were no real big surprises about The Philippines to me so apparently I did my research and analysis reasonable well.

I would strongly advise people to 'make their fortune' in the West FIRST before seeking to enjoy the benefits of an alternate way of life.  Filipinos have a strong desire to work overseas for a reason.  Also, have some sort of a support system 'back home' and maintain and exit strategy.  Lastly, be prepared to play hardball if/when necessary, or at the very least, understand how those games are played.  If you are not that kind of a person then think twice about inserting yourself into an environment where bad things happen.

[tvbcof]

Come to Switzerland! 

Pffft.  'The belly of the beast'?  Been their, done that...about three generations ago.

[tvbcof]

Still better and safer than go to the Philippines of Rodrigo Duterte. While Switzerland is not cheap here you can be truly free. If you leave the United States because of the political situation you should not choose a dictatorship over the only country where is direct democracy.

See more: https://houseofswitzerland.org/swissstories/history/way-modern-direct-democracy-switzerland

The Philippines is about the last place anyone should go for 'safety' in the way that most people consider it.  One needs to pay particularly close attention to physical security and develop some relationships and strategies to at least partially mitigate the risks.

I've got respect for Switzerland's internal political system.  My beef with them is that they foster and facilitate entities which do damage outside of their borders.  It's the same with the United States.  They also seem creepy as fuck judging by the tunnel opening ceremony.  My gut sense is that there is no way there are not a lot of Luciferians creeping around that place.  Even as an athiest I don't want to be around them when the chickens come home to roost.

---

As for Duterte, I'm basically of the opinion that he is kind of like a real version of the nationalist that Trump played during the election and basically NOT the fraudulent puppet that Trump is.  I figured he might be 'for real' when the world-wide press was universally shitting on the guy.  So far most of what I've seen validates my suspicions.  I think he really is fucking up the NWO plans (infusing the country with drugs (legal and illegal), planting corrupt corporate cronies throughout the government, codling 'religious' pervs, etc, etc.)

I do mostly buy Duterte's argument that the nation really doesn't have the time or resources to successfully fight some of these problems in the ideal way and the end of the nation was closer than some people might think.  Basically conversion into a complete narco-state by the likes of the CIA just like they are wont to do in the Americas.  But he's also a leader in the real world and he has to make compromises and concessions.

I very well could be wrong about the guy.  If he is backed by the same 'talent' that put Trump forward it's good enough to fool me for some time and I don't spend my life studying the guy.  At the end of the day I'm not a Filipino so I'm not under any ethical obligation to call a spade a spade when it comes to Filipino politics.  To a fair degree these are simply not my problems, and that's one of the reasons I got the hell out of Dodge...for now.

[GreatArkansas]

Its kind of a pain in the ass, especially in CDO -- the immigration office workers aren't very friendly
[.......]
I had an American friend who lives in Manila and really tried to become a Philippines citizen. He shelled out like 25,000 or more to make it happen, but it kept on getting delayed, and I don't think his paperwork ever went through. Doesn't sound like its worth it...

Ohh I see, I thought that Philippines is not so strict like that especially on some nationality, it's much better then   and for sure it has still something to do with your safety in the Philippines.

Since you have been in Mindanao, and maybe you are aware of the recent announcement of the Philippines' goverment for implementing the Martial Law on Mindanao only..
For you, it is alarming for you as living in mindanao?

Since most of the people who are hardly complaining are those not affected on Martial Law, especially those from Luzon areas.

[tvbcof]

...
Since you have been in Mindanao, and maybe you are aware of the recent announcement of the Philippines' goverment for implementing the Martial Law on Mindanao only..
For you, it is alarming for you as living in mindanao?

Since most of the people who are hardly complaining are those not affected on Martial Law, especially those from Luzon areas.

You are full of shit.

The people in Mindanao want 'martial law'.  The government would rather be done with it because it's expensive and a lot of the military is tied up in Mindanao (and thus less able to deal with the communist insurgency which is all over the country.)

The people who are bitching are the so-called 'liberals' who are, in my opinion, largely funded and animated by the NWO crowd (that is, the global corporatists) and in favor all all the standard NWO methods (trans-gender fagotry, fake-ass 'environmental' issues, etc, etc.)  They largely _don't_ live in Mindanao.  Unsurprisingly what passes for 'liberals' tend to be unusually corrupt and they lost the last election big-time in part for this reason.  That is my analysis anyway.

I've spent significant time in Mindanao over the last year and even more time studying the security situation.  I have been through checkpoints numerous times.  The soldiers running them are professional and respectful.  At least to me.  This isn't (American puppet) Marco's 'martial law' where you stop at a checkpoint and they rape your wife.

[nutildah]

sold a dancing flea

[GreatArkansas]

...

~....
The people who are bitching are the so-called 'liberals' who are, in my opinion, largely funded and animated by the NWO crowd (that is, the global corporatists) and in favor all all the standard NWO methods (trans-gender fagotry, fake-ass 'environmental' issues, etc, etc.)  They largely _don't_ live in Mindanao.
~...

That's what I want to say, those people who are not from Mindanao are those people who got the balls to protest and do some shitty rally in the Luzon area, which US are easily enjoying our daily lives, even me which I grew up in the south south south of Mindanao and even some random riffle shots at nights became normal on us.

The martial law now are like 'normal' for us, we don't even complain about it. (It also depends on different area here in Mindanao, I visited some cities here which have curfew at 11pm)
Maybe those protesting in Luzon areas about Martial Law in Mindanao are comparing it to the Martial Law before Marcos time (which I don't even experience it).

[bill gator]

Thank you for sharing your story, thoughts, plans and day-to-day. I'm reading along, inspired, hopeful and conflicted.
Good luck on your journey, I wish I was able to support you with more than just words.

[tvbcof]

Another philosophical reason I had for voting with my feet:  I consider that anything I add economical to the United States goes directly to the creation of misery and death _all around the world_.  Morally we are plumbing the depths of depravity on a political level.  

I used to work in the health insurance industry so I know exactly what you're talking about, even if it only applies 100% domestically. I used to combat insurance fraud via high-volume data analysis, but the system was so fouled by people who had been taking such hardcore advantage of it for so long, eventually it drove me nuts, and I got fired. I forgot what the exact reason was, but something along the lines of refusing to close a case tangentially involving one of our medical directors. It was an ophthalmologist who would issue botox injections for other doctors, covering it under the insurance as treatment for "blepharospasm" (which has an incidence rate of 1 in 10,000 where botox can be effective in alleviating it).

That and the marking up of lifesaving drugs of thousands of percent, passing the full charge on to poor people when their medicaid had expired, writing collections letters to them for hundreds of thousands of dollars... It was disgusting. Fuck that.

I had limited experience with the American health care system, thank God, but even the tiny bit I did shocked the hell out of me.  Your description of fraud and theft is something that everyone who is involved sees even if most people keep their mouths shut and let it ride...or often enough themselves step up to the trough.

If it were just internal corruption that might be something to stay home and fight.  It's vastly more than that though.  Running mercenary forces with names like ISIS to destroy and ethno-religiously cleanse entire regions (Libya, Syria, Iraq, etc) is a whole step down the ladder.  Same with testing out new weapons on civilians.  It may well be that 'we' do it (or tolerate it) in our capacity as a Talmudic golem, but that's no excuse and even more reason to worry for the future.

Looks to me like we U.S. citizens as people are being wrung out financially before being rendered into sausage.  The medical system is just one of the ways in which this is happening, but one of the bigger ones to be sure.  The thing is that if our 'leaders' will tolerate the kinds of internal corruption that harms so many Americans, and external evil that we see all around if we open our eyes, there is simply no reason to hope that they would not be willing participants in a controlled demolition of the U.S. as a nation state.  I'm expecting that the U.S. will be parted out and handed over in payment for debts already incurred.  Pretty similar in some ways to what happened to the Soviet Union.  And, interestingly, some of the beneficiaries (the so-called 'Russian' Oligarchs) will likely be some of the very same people.

[darklus123]

You are full of shit.

The people in Mindanao want 'martial law'.  The government would rather be done with it because it's expensive and a lot of the military is tied up in Mindanao (and thus less able to deal with the communist insurgency which is all over the country.)

The people who are bitching are the so-called 'liberals' who are, in my opinion, largely funded and animated by the NWO crowd (that is, the global corporatists) and in favor all all the standard NWO methods (trans-gender fagotry, fake-ass 'environmental' issues, etc, etc.)  They largely _don't_ live in Mindanao.  Unsurprisingly what passes for 'liberals' tend to be unusually corrupt and they lost the last election big-time in part for this reason.  That is my analysis anyway.

I've spent significant time in Mindanao over the last year and even more time studying the security situation.  I have been through checkpoints numerous times.  The soldiers running them are professional and respectful.  At least to me.  This isn't (American puppet) Marco's 'martial law' where you stop at a checkpoint and they rape your wife.

That is actually true, the only threat you might want to consider being in the Mindanao area is if you will encounter some terrorist groups. It is actually a lot safer being watched by Army (most of them are actually more loyal,respectful and polite officials) rather than being in the urban places of the Philippines where there are more "Police" Officials who are abusing their powers which are called "police scalawag".

[Fedice]

Now, you have moved to a country where politics does not exist?

Simply say you wants to explore new environments and try new cultures. Never blame your relocation on politics because politics is everywhere. And even worse in some of those countries in Asia. It's just a matter of time before you begin to miss America.

Good luck in your quests for happiness!

[tvbcof]

Now, you have moved to a country where politics does not exist?

Simply say you wants to explore new environments and try new cultures. Never blame your relocation on politics because politics is everywhere. And even worse in some of those countries in Asia. It's just a matter of time before you begin to miss America.

Good luck in your quests for happiness!

I already miss America.  All of my family and friends are there.  I've got a ton of property and a lifetime build up of toys that I left behind (buildings, excavators, rare motorcycles, etc, etc.)  I could easily run out the clock there in perfect contentment...for as long as things remain more-or-less as they are now at least.  Indeed I very much hope to be able to come back.

I'm not seeking 'happiness'.  In fact it is said that being stupid is a key to being happy.  "ignorant, stupid people can deny the HORRIBLE TRUTH of this terrible world of suffering and live happily."  There are not very many happy 'truthers' and being one is probably at least 50% a hard-wired thing.  But you play the hand that you were dealt.

[rjbtc2017]

I only read the first post, My Take: Philippines is a good choice for living, if you have a work with a work from home set up , you can live $50 daily for a food. Electricity Rate and Both Water Rate is not that expensive tho yearly they have an outage problem. If your girlfriend is a Philippine Citizen, you can also have to apply for a rent to own house which is i think have an easy paying scheme.

Having a decent job with a decent pay you can really survive here in the Philippines. One Major Problem here is the Government, They continue to lick Chinese Government Asses, Duterte's Government is not only "extra judicial killings", Senators, Mayors, Much of them are stupid ass-lickers of Duterte, While Duterte is a stupid ass licker of China. News for this Government's stupidity is not only happening once, it happens everyday and I'm sick of it, Much of the Filipinos are poor, uneducated and uninformed who uses free facebook (a place where idiots shares fake news and continue to support this hellish Government) which made them a fan and a supporter of this Shitty Government. Anyway, Good Luck, I hope you find a comfort and peace living here in the Philippines with your Girlfriend.
 

[nutildah]

I only read the first post, My Take: Philippines is a good choice for living, if you have a work with a work from home set up , you can live $50 daily for a food.

$50? That would be terrific! I actually have become accustomed to living on somewhere between $10 and $30 a day for food. Some days 300 pesos lasts the whole day, mainly because my girlfriend is a great cook. She makes a mean pork adobo. One other thing I never had before that I found out is quite delicious is flayed eggplant battered with egg.

Electricity Rate and Both Water Rate is not that expensive tho yearly they have an outage problem. If your girlfriend is a Philippine Citizen, you can also have to apply for a rent to own house which is i think have an easy paying scheme.

We did rent for about 7 months, and yes it was a lot cheaper, however I never got around to buying an aircon or a decent bed, and after a while, everyone knows where you live and just shows up at your door randomly... I didn't like that part, and prefer to be on the move.

One night the Barangay Tanod told me I should move because there was a known robber who would come visit my next door neighbors. Apparently he was a real bad apple, and they actually feared for my and my girlfriend's safety. They told me, "some day we're gonna have to kill him." So, when the police tell you you should move, its time to move.

Since then I've been living in a combination of cheap hotels and AirBnBs.

Having a decent job with a decent pay you can really survive here in the Philippines. One Major Problem here is the Government, They continue to lick Chinese Government Asses, Duterte's Government is not only "extra judicial killings", Senators, Mayors, Much of them are stupid ass-lickers of Duterte, While Duterte is a stupid ass licker of China. News for this Government's stupidity is not only happening once, it happens everyday and I'm sick of it, Much of the Filipinos are poor, uneducated and uninformed who uses free facebook (a place where idiots shares fake news and continue to support this hellish Government) which made them a fan and a supporter of this Shitty Government.

LOL. Your comment started off so positive. I stay out of politics. I was here in 2016 during the presidential debates, and I remember watching on TV when Rody said they should bring him out to the Spratly Islands on a speedboat, and he will plant the Philippines flag there, and let the Chinese to do him "what they wish." He's pretty much done a 180 degree turnaround on his stance toward China since then, which just goes to show he's also just another politician, to a certain degree.

[rjbtc2017]

I only read the first post, My Take: Philippines is a good choice for living, if you have a work with a work from home set up , you can live $50 daily for a food.

$50? That would be terrific! I actually have become accustomed to living on somewhere between $10 and $30 a day for food. Some days 300 pesos lasts the whole day, mainly because my girlfriend is a great cook. She makes a mean pork adobo. One other thing I never had before that I found out is quite delicious is flayed eggplant battered with egg.

Electricity Rate and Both Water Rate is not that expensive tho yearly they have an outage problem. If your girlfriend is a Philippine Citizen, you can also have to apply for a rent to own house which is i think have an easy paying scheme.

We did rent for about 7 months, and yes it was a lot cheaper, however I never got around to buying an aircon or a decent bed, and after a while, everyone knows where you live and just shows up at your door randomly... I didn't like that part, and prefer to be on the move.

One night the Barangay Tanod told me I should move because there was a known robber who would come visit my next door neighbors. Apparently he was a real bad apple, and they actually feared for my and my girlfriend's safety. They told me, "some day we're gonna have to kill him." So, when the police tell you you should move, its time to move.

Since then I've been living in a combination of cheap hotels and AirBnBs.

Having a decent job with a decent pay you can really survive here in the Philippines. One Major Problem here is the Government, They continue to lick Chinese Government Asses, Duterte's Government is not only "extra judicial killings", Senators, Mayors, Much of them are stupid ass-lickers of Duterte, While Duterte is a stupid ass licker of China. News for this Government's stupidity is not only happening once, it happens everyday and I'm sick of it, Much of the Filipinos are poor, uneducated and uninformed who uses free facebook (a place where idiots shares fake news and continue to support this hellish Government) which made them a fan and a supporter of this Shitty Government.

LOL. Your comment started off so positive. I stay out of politics. I was here in 2016 during the presidential debates, and I remember watching on TV when Rody said they should bring him out to the Spratly Islands on a speedboat, and he will plant the Philippines flag there, and let the Chinese to do him "what they wish." He's pretty much done a 180 degree turnaround on his stance toward China since then, which just goes to show he's also just another politician, to a certain degree.

Canned sardines with egg, Canned Sardines with soy sauce and vinegar, Cheap vegetables that you can ask for a cheaper price, Noodles etc. There also a lot of carienderias everywhere which you can have a decent food, with rice free soup and unlimited water (lol)  for only Php 60.00 = $1.5 +- , For dresses there are also thrift shops everwhere, cheap but decent dresses. Ask her to cook you some "dilis" or "tuyo", I think you would love it.

Robbery or Akyat Bahay, is an inevitable "entity" specially in crowded places or squatter areas.

I mean, That is what Philippines can offer,decent job means decent life but what it makes difficult to live here is the Shitty Government, and that's the reality, this Government is Anti-Poor and that's part of living here, taking all the shit and also i forgot to add the Traffic, Inconvenience in Commuting, Guess you experienced the hell of commuting.

[kspro]

We did rent for about 7 months, and yes it was a lot cheaper, however I never got around to buying an aircon or a decent bed, and after a while, everyone knows where you live and just shows up at your door randomly... I didn't like that part, and prefer to be on the move.

One night the Barangay Tanod told me I should move because there was a known robber who would come visit my next door neighbors. Apparently he was a real bad apple, and they actually feared for my and my girlfriend's safety. They told me, "some day we're gonna have to kill him." So, when the police tell you you should move, its time to move.

Since then I've been living in a combination of cheap hotels and AirBnBs.

I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.

[Darker45]

Canned sardines with egg, Canned Sardines with soy sauce and vinegar, Cheap vegetables that you can ask for a cheaper price, Noodles etc. There also a lot of carienderias everywhere which you can have a decent food, with rice free soup and unlimited water (lol)  for only Php 60.00 = $1.5 +- , For dresses there are also thrift shops everwhere, cheap but decent dresses. Ask her to cook you some "dilis" or "tuyo", I think you would love it.

Robbery or Akyat Bahay, is an inevitable "entity" specially in crowded places or squatter areas.

I mean, That is what Philippines can offer,decent job means decent life but what it makes difficult to live here is the Shitty Government, and that's the reality, this Government is Anti-Poor and that's part of living here, taking all the shit and also i forgot to add the Traffic, Inconvenience in Commuting, Guess you experienced the hell of commuting.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.   

[BADecker]

I read a news article the other day that talked about a woman in the States who needed a knee replacement. She, her doctor, and Social Security all agreed on performing the operation in Mexico, at a medically approve facility. The cost was less than half of what it would have cost her in the States, and that included transportation costs for both, herself and her doctor.

[tvbcof]

I read a news article the other day that talked about a woman in the States who needed a knee replacement. She, her doctor, and Social Security all agreed on performing the operation in Mexico, at a medically approve facility. The cost was less than half of what it would have cost her in the States, and that included transportation costs for both, herself and her doctor.

Only a 50% savings?  I'd say the woman is getting totally screwed.  Seems like medical cost 1/10th U.S. prices in The Philippines, and often much less than that.

Anyway, fixing this bug seems like the only purpose for Trump's 'wall' between the U.S. and Mexico.  I've said all along that the 'wall' is mostly a 'virtual' thing involving trade and political agreements.

When it comes to moving peeps back and forth I have no reason to believe other than that peep inflows will progress as (((certain people))) consider necessary for their goals.  Indigent low skilled people who will go on welfare are more than welcome.  Read Clowerd-Piven.

As for peep outflows, increased individual monitoring ('real-ID' to cross state lines and such) will stop-loss for the medical/industrial complex.  I predict that you will be welcome to go to Mexico for treatment as long as you reimburse the U.S. healthcare system for their losses through taxes and surcharges and the like, and as long as the Mexican treatment regimes are as disastrous for your health as the U.S. one is.  Probably it will have to be overseen by the same (((group of planners))) ultimately.

To paraphrase the Trix commercial from my generation:

  Silly pleb; labor spreads are for the wealthy globalists!

[BADecker]

As for peep outflows, increased individual monitoring ('real-ID' to cross state lines and such) will stop-loss for the medical/industrial complex.  I predict that you will be welcome to go to Mexico for treatment as long as you reimburse the U.S. healthcare system for their losses through taxes and surcharges and the like, and as long as the Mexican treatment regimes are as disastrous for your health as the U.S. one is.  Probably it will have to be overseen by the same (((group of planners))) ultimately.

Until a few hearty Americans take the Real-ID perpetrators to court, man-to-man, for right to travel infringement.

[nutildah]

sold a skittle

[moonhub]

I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.

Well, parts of anywhere, especially the U.S., can be pretty dangerous. The same situation could have happened if I was living in a bad part of a hundred different cities in America.

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women. After the first time I really experienced Angeles City, woow, I was hooked! There's absolutely nothing like that in America. Here's a video if you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about (I didn't really watch it but it will give you the basic idea of what's up):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEn9fkA7gg

Then after I lived there for almost a year, I was just like, ehh... I'm over it. So I moved on. Basically, just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. You have to really be open to changing your attitude about things as well. Its good to be a "go with the flow" kind of person and not expect to have your way all the time, or you'll be extremely disappointed.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

Yes, the gap between the layers of society is a real scourge of people. But how to deal with it? Some countries seem to have dealt with this, but I do not understand enough how they dealt with it.

[tvbcof]

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women.
...

I chose The Philippines because I met a woman who I thought could help me with some things I wanted to do.  I didn't know initially that she was Filipino because she was working elsewhere.  Only when I found out did I start to study the place and decided that it had a lot of positives for me.

I'm not sure why I didn't consider The Philippines more strongly earlier.  I think that there is a dedicated effort world-wide to shit-talk The Philippines and I was partially a victim of it.  It is especially strong in the country itself.  I suspect that the reason for this is related to the 'demoralization' that Yuri Bezmenov talks about as one phase in destabilizing and overthrowing a country.  Unfortunately it has worked pretty well.  Lots of Filipinos consider their country hopeless.  I'm more and more convinced that it is not.  Obviously it's got some problems, but so does every country.

My hope is that Duterte and future presidents increase the concept of nationalism among the people and address some of the main problems that the nation has.  I'm quite convinced that many of the problems are artificially inserted, and the drug problems specifically.  Probably the communist problems and the radical Islamic issues as well.

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

I left the U.S. in part because I wanted to try to make a positive contribution and wanted my money to NOT go toward causing worldwide misery and death.  These things and general depravity are, in my opinion, about the only exports that the U.S. does any more.  In a place like The Philippines where there is so much need one can make a tiny positive contribution in peoples lives about a dozen times per day just being alive.  I like the feeling of living this way.

Another reason I set up for a '2nd option' is that I do think there is a certain well-more-than-zero percent chance of some real problems in the U.S. of the type that few people can really imagine, and it could realistically happen within my lifetime.  I think that my country has sunk so low because our leadership has been captured by some real scumbags.  Worse, I don't think that these people have any more care for the U.S. than they have for any of the other nations which we are in the process of imploding.  We are just a useful tool for now.  When our usefulness is over it will be our turn in the barrel, and we may get it even worse than, say, Libya because that will be the most useful and 'safest' outcome for our tormentors.  'Controlled Demolition', bitches.

[af_newbie]

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women.
...

I chose The Philippines because I met a woman who I thought could help me with some things I wanted to do.  I didn't know initially that she was Filipino because she was working elsewhere.  Only when I found out did I start to study the place and decided that it had a lot of positives for me.

I'm not sure why I didn't consider The Philippines more strongly earlier.  I think that there is a dedicated effort world-wide to shit-talk The Philippines and I was partially a victim of it.  It is especially strong in the country itself.  I suspect that the reason for this is related to the 'demoralization' that Yuri Bezmenov talks about as one phase in destabilizing and overthrowing a country.  Unfortunately it has worked pretty well.  Lots of Filipinos consider their country hopeless.  I'm more and more convinced that it is not.  Obviously it's got some problems, but so does every country.

My hope is that Duterte and future presidents increase the concept of nationalism among the people and address some of the main problems that the nation has.  I'm quite convinced that many of the problems are artificially inserted, and the drug problems specifically.  Probably the communist problems and the radical Islamic issues as well.

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

I left the U.S. in part because I wanted to try to make a positive contribution and wanted my money to NOT go toward causing worldwide misery and death.  These things and general depravity are, in my opinion, about the only exports that the U.S. does any more.  In a place like The Philippines where there is so much need one can make a tiny positive contribution in peoples lives about a dozen times per day just being alive.  I like the feeling of living this way.

Another reason I set up for a '2nd option' is that I do think there is a certain well-more-than-zero percent chance of some real problems in the U.S. of the type that few people can really imagine, and it could realistically happen within my lifetime.  I think that my country has sunk so low because our leadership has been captured by some real scumbags.  Worse, I don't think that these people have any more care for the U.S. than they have for any of the other nations which we are in the process of imploding.  We are just a useful tool for now.  When our usefulness is over it will be our turn in the barrel, and we may get it even worse than, say, Libya because that will be the most useful and 'safest' outcome for our tormentors.  'Controlled Demolition', bitches.

If the US will have problems, the rest of the world will have "problems squared".  North America will always be the mecca to go to, in good times and in bad times.

People who bitch about the US don't have any idea what they are bitching about.  The US has the best universities, the best hospitals, best high-tech companies, the best financial system, it is the place where the smartest people on the planet want to go to live and study.

[tvbcof]

...

If the US will have problems, the rest of the world will have "problems squared".  North America will always be the mecca to go to, in good times and in bad times.

'Always' is a long time.  I'm sure that the people of Babel and the people of Sodom thought the same thing.  I myself drank the Koolaid for most of my life and believed about as you describe more-or-less.  I'm currently of the opinion that A) it's 'more fun' to live in a place with is improving than one which is disintegrating even if the curves have yet to meet, and B) a population which has grown up living closer to the edge will be much more capable of coping with hard times.  Some might not even notice!

People who bitch about the US don't have any idea what they are bitching about.  The US has the best universities, the best hospitals, best high-tech companies, the best financial system, it is the place where the smartest people on the planet want to go to live and study.

I think I have an idea of what I'm bitching about since I've lived in both and I currently live surprisingly happily in The Philippines.  My level of enjoyment and contentment have so far vastly exceeded my expectations.  Ceasing my participation in the decadence and debauchery of the United States is like having a great stone that I only vaguely realized was there lifted from my chest.

I would highly encourage anyone who can to go to the U.S. to milk it.  For instance, if one can get a medical degree, by all means go to the U.S..  Something (cough...vaccines...cough...) has made it so a vast majority of 'mericans are sick with chronic illnesses so as a doctor one doesn't even need to 'cure' them.  They've been conditioned to not even expect it!  Just hand out some meds and make millions.  Even if a particular peep doesn't have the money to pay you 50x what you could get in most countries, the health care system so socialized that someone else will pay the bill.

That's just one way of many to get rich.  I suggest that a person keeps their foot in the door and be ready to bail at a moments notice though.  When the U.S. falls it's going to be 'biblical' so to speak.

[BADecker]

I have talked about leaving here and there, as well. But I haven't done it, yet. Does this make me only a B-leaver?

 

[kspro]

I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.

Well, parts of anywhere, especially the U.S., can be pretty dangerous. The same situation could have happened if I was living in a bad part of a hundred different cities in America.

I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women. After the first time I really experienced Angeles City, woow, I was hooked! There's absolutely nothing like that in America. Here's a video if you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about (I didn't really watch it but it will give you the basic idea of what's up):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEn9fkA7gg

Then after I lived there for almost a year, I was just like, ehh... I'm over it. So I moved on. Basically, just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. You have to really be open to changing your attitude about things as well. Its good to be a "go with the flow" kind of person and not expect to have your way all the time, or you'll be extremely disappointed.

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

[nutildah]

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.

I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.

Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."

[BADecker]

This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen

Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.

I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.

Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."

Smiles without miles is only the "S" in bullshit.     

[nutildah]

sold silly string

[Gyfts]

In retrospect, my exit from the U.S. was a bit overly dramatic. I just had enough of a lot of b.s. plaguing my life at the time and am now free from all of it. What helps is not being at a soul-sucking desk job and being able to set my own hours. I enjoy significant freedoms here I could not afford in the U.S.; one of the most important of which is being able to wake up when I damn well please!

....

I'm open to conducting an AMA session about being a westerner expat in the far east, so, feel free to ask me anything and I will respond as honestly as possible.

So do you feel, looking back on all of it, that the reason you moved to the Philippines was because Trump got elected or because things were not going well in your personal life to the point where you needed/wanted a fresh start? Nothing really wrong with that, everyone gets to that point of stagnation in their life where something needs to change. I could see Trump's election as being the final straw but it seems like many people that promised moving out of the country if Hillary Clinton lost never followed through and this post is one of the first accounts I've seen of a person actually following through. Elections come and go. Moving countries over the result of an election seems like a permanent solution to a temporary administration. Of course you could move back, but it isn't easy. This would lead me to believe that they're had to have been other significant factors in your decision that exceed politics.


I spent a prolong time in Indonesia for business and it was refreshing living in a new country. Not that I ever planned on moving permanently but I sure as hell have personally experienced the feeling of getting somewhat of a fresh start. It's thrilling when you think about it -- moving to a completely foreign place with boundless exploration capacity. I imagine you shared a similar experience with the Philippines.

[tvbcof]

Update from me also:  I've been in the Philippines for over half a year now solid.  I've put down roots and it looks like I'll be staying.  Now considering how to liquidate some of my substantial holdings in the U.S. just so they don't interfere with my 'new life.'

To re-cap, I decided to leave only after giving up on Trump who I never had a great deal of confidence in in the first place although I campaigned hard for him.  He's nearly 100% fraud and I see no hope for any workable outcome in the U.S..  Trump gave me a window to get the hell out of Dodge, but his actions are simply to set the stage for a deeper and more certain crater when they do give the 'pull it' command on the U.S..  In the mean time, being an active participant in the U.S. is giving my sanction to the activities of that country.  A huge weight was lifted when I realized that I was no longer a party to the depravity that the U.S. is engaged in all around the world.

I had a great life in the U.S. and I lament the loss, but it is what it is.  So yes, for me it was very nearly 100% about politics.  I shall not be returning in any likely scenario.  I have a great life abroad as well.  There is no reason that one cannot arrange for themselves a great life in any variety of scenarios.

Had I it to do over again I may not chose the Philippines.  Although it is a great place with many advantages, I think it is frail to the kinds of threats which will ultimately sink the U.S. (and arguably already have.)  The people have a lot of baggage left over from centuries of certain kinds of external influence and domination.  They simply don't have what it takes to avoid certain kinds of traps.  With what I know now I would look closely at Malaysia.  Probably still will; the Philippines was always a '2nd option' for me and I always planned to have a '3rd option' as well.

[Sadlife]

Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there. My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.

[tvbcof]

Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there.

I would say that Filipinos are to some significant degree victims of 'demoralization' meaning that the place is not as bad as you've been conditioned to think, or put another way, other places have significant problems as well.

Secondly, 'English'.

Thirdly, there tends to be certain romantic involvement in a lot of these things.

Fourthly, one can get a lot done in this country.  It's more practical to arrange very high level protection, though it can also be a somewhat dangerous and expensive game to play.

I would say that the corruption is mostly just pushed down to a lower level and more visible in this country.  The same thing exists everywhere to a degree, but it tends to be contained in the upper spheres where there is less visibility (and higher profits) in the more 'developed' countries.  It's probably an economic advantage for the peeps in this country to have it be closer to the street level.  That is to say, it doesn't have as far to 'trickle down.'

My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.

Hope so.  Just weed out the criminals please.  They are an embarrassment to me and others of my ilk.  I'm a guest in the country so I feel it a responsibility to be a good citizen.  America has a ton of good people who's company I do rather miss.  Hopefully some of them end up here, and if so are of net benefit to the nation.  It's also got a ton of creepers who might come here for bad reasons (though thankfully Patatya draws off many of this class.)

I would advise anyone who is thinking about expatriation to stockpile all the papers they may need just in case.  In particular, get a law enforcement clearance letter (and if you cannot, then this suggestion is not for you.)  Just have it ready in case it becomes harder to get one and harder to move around.  It looks to me as though the infrastructure is in place to track and restrict freedom of movement in the U.S..  If so, it's probably for a reason.  And that reason probably has to do with capital flight under certain economic events.

[nutildah]

sold a taco

[target]

English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English. Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.

Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.

[fratoshi]

If my BSV investment goes 10x 500$ price i will go holiday to Philippines to check it out, i was thinking el Nido and Coron, do you recommend other places my friend nutildah?
And for how long i should i stay?

[tvbcof]

English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English.

That's not been my experience.  So far everyone I've met seems to be able to communicate satisfactorily with other Filipinos in Tagalog.  I don't speak Tagalog so I only say this judging by the interactions between people who have two different mother languages.   I've met a lot of people who are not able (or at least willing) to communicate in English.

Even the people who are quite fluent in English will almost never recognize or appreciate linguistic nuances and things which make communications fun and interesting.  It's a little to much to ask though, especially since I've been unable to make myself even try to learn Tagalog.

Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.

The city I'm in now (which I won't name) has reasonable traffic.  Also a ton of decent school options which was a selling point.  Clean air as well.  I've not been through a years worth of weather, and I'm getting used to the climate now also, but it quite tolerable so far and down-right pleasant at times.  I'm from the Pacific Northwest and am more comfortable in much cooler weather.  I'm also comfortable getting hit by raindrops which to many Filipinos is a terrifying experience.  It's the weirdest thing.  Really annoying to sometimes as people struggle with an umbrella to cross the street.  I mean literally!

I have come to the point where I genuinely enjoy driving when I'm actually doing it.  The rules of the road are very much different.  Since I had an undergrad course in transportation engineering and have an idea of the various mathematical formulas which dictate traffic flow rates it's fascinating to see how the 'other way' works, and I believe that it's actually somewhat more efficient than orderly stop-lights and so on.  One has to have laser-like focus when driving here, though, because of the various hazards and the ever-present danger of hitting someone.  After an hour or two of driving I'm very much ready to do something else.

Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.

The politics is definitely and interesting study.  There are related events which nobody I've talked to and no reporting that I've heard even attempt to tie together.  The Duterte presidency has made some shock waves and I sense that it has thrown almost everyone off-balance (and put a fair number of people 6 feet under as well.)

[sovie]

Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.

[tvbcof]

Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.

Of what 'amenities' do you speak specifically?

'Top of the world' means next to nothing for Joe Sixpack these days.  Worse than nothing actually since it paints a big 'milk me' sign on the his back.  Extracting maximum production out of a herd (e.g., mainlining them with hormones) can be harmful to individual health, and the average life expectancy in the U.S. has already peaked and is on the way down.  For 'white males' currently but I expect most other major cohorts to follow.

World suicide rate rank:

  U.S.:  #34
  Philippines: #159

That should tell something about life in a society.

To say the truth, I find Filipinos to be more 'normal' as humans go compared to large swaths of the middle/upper-middle class in the more 'developed western liberal democracies'.  That's not necessarily a good or bad thing, and it can be plenty aggravating, but it's probably better than the alternative.

[nutildah]

In the places I used to live in America there were so many senseless quarrels about nothing which I can't help but think only arise from the lack of having real problems. Most such problems aren't even fathomable for much of the American middle class.

[Artemis3]

The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.

It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.

The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.  

They don't get it unless you tell them what the average wage is. I will tell you the avg wage in mine, so you can jump of joy of the richness you are living in: 5 USD a month. Only a decade ago, i used to earn 250 USD a month. Same job, in the same company, is paying right now about 5 USD. I had to quit when it was around 10 USD, was paying more in public transport.

I found that committing myself to an internet job was the only choice, and here i am. We are survivors, except the select Elite close to the guys in power.

In 2010 i didn't think i would ever suffer such poverty, i should have committed all my savings from that job into bitcoin. Too late... If we had seasons, most of us would die in winter. I have an acquaintance with the theory that is the very reason poverty reigns in the tropics, we are just too lazy. When your country goes down the poverty drain, all the others close the doors. Americans and Europeans don't understand this, they just can't imagine how people are forced to ask for a visa and pay a fortune for the permission to visit a country a week or two. And how do you meet people that might employ you overseas when you are not even allowed to enter in the first place? and how are you going to ever afford the ticket when you are also forbidden to work the time you stay there?

When 9a-5p 5-6 days a week job nets you 5 USD a month, how exactly do you think someone can afford things like cars or such?

And i think i'm better than the average, at least i inherited a place to live (parents still living there too). Internet stopped working 2 years ago, i still miss the days when i could leisure watch youtube videos, i'm forced to use a capped mobile that cannot be expanded, people are forced to use 600mb a month and then pay A LOT more per byte. But to me no internet = no food (literally).

In this distorted economy where competition is rare and State power overreaching, the few that import goods charge at least twice of what you would pay in your rich countries. So not only do we earn a misery, to buy your products we would need to pay 2 or 3 times more. Oh you people don't really know how a gov can ruin a country, no no no, in your lifetimes you never will, probably.

"Because of politics i wish to leave a 3rd world country" Or actually i wish the politicians would leave the country.

Incidentally you could live here A MONTH with 10 USD, hey that's TWICE the average wage... I think Filipinos should send us aid, you guys are so rich

We DO have something else in common: we also used to be a Spanish colony. Maybe that left something bad in our culture, since the former British colonies next door seem to be faring MUCH better... Or the Westminster system is truly superior to our "President" is the absolute ruler nonsense. Who knows?

[KingScorpio]

MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.

FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.

MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.

FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.

I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.

After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.

My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.

I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.

If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!

third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.

[tvbcof]

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third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.

People are, you know, like people 'n shit.

One does either need to have money to burn down here or be on their toes.  Some combination of both is good.  I find the difference in the people, such as it is, to be refreshing in a way.

Nobody has yet threatened me with violence or any such thing, but I always expect that possibility and take appropriate measures.  People do absolutely try to overcharge me for stuff.  Normally I just pay it because the cost is still absurdly cheap by my standards.  Normally they lose money because I would have given them a tip which is higher than to overcharge anyway.  A vast majority of people do NOT try to cheat me or overcharge me.

The funniest thing is that when someone does some sort of a blatant over-charge or other attempt to get a little extra money they seem to feel so good about how clever they are for 'fooling the dumb foreigner' even when it is blatantly obvious and ham-handed.  They seem to assume that I won't or don't notice.  It's so pathetic that it's almost 'cute' in a funny way.  My means and the scope of my life experiences is radically beyond what most of the people can really conceptualize that it's sort of feels like I'm in a different world.

I can only speak for myself and my own situation, but I find it fine down here.  I'm planning to stay (here in The Philippines or in some equally 'third-world' country if I have to move) until there is some light at the end of the tunnel for my home country (the U.S.).  That probably means I'll not go back sadly enough.

It helps that I spend a great deal of time in the Bitcoin ecosystem as it has evolved.  The Bitcoin ecosystem makes The Philippines seem like Japan when it comes to flakiness and dishonesty.

[nutildah]

meh

[tvbcof]

I had never considered Zambia.  If this guy is representative then I probably should.