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April 09, 2013, 12:04:29 AM
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I just read this interesting post about how Bitcoin being decentralised has these centralised weaknesses:
http://bitcoininsight.com/2013/04/08/bitcoins-emerging-weaknesses/

One thing I keep reading about, and seeing is this, 'Bitcoin Foundation'.

Everytime I see / read 'Bitcoin Foundation', I want to stab my own eyes out. Literally, I hate authority, and the idea of having this one over ruling 'Bitcoun Foundation', with 'Board Members', just makes me want to puke.


Anyone else feel the same way.. . please contribute.
If you like the idea of a monopolistic elite at the top, please add your comments also.

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April 09, 2013, 12:11:16 AM
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing about 5 minutes ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170864.0



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April 09, 2013, 12:45:35 AM
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing about 5 minutes ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170864.0

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Thanks for your comments. .  are you on twitter ?

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April 09, 2013, 12:55:12 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations). 

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

Hardfork aren't that hard.
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April 09, 2013, 12:57:07 AM
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If you like the idea of a monopolistic elite at the top, please add your comments also.
As long as they don't make any changes that I disagree with, I don't really care if a few people who know each other want to give themselves a fancy name and try to get others to donate money to their cause.

You are welcome to join together with a few of your own friends and create the "Bitcoin Institute" if you like.  You can create your own bitcoininstitute.org web page and fork your own copy of the reference client in git.  You can put out your own updates to the software and see if you can get donations to support the development work you are doing.

If changes are made that I disagree with, I'll probably find others with my point of view and do the same.

Fancy names don't give power to people.  People give power to people.

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April 09, 2013, 12:58:58 AM
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And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

Actually there are two other options.

One: don't donate.  Then you don't have to worry about how "your" money is being spent.

Two: Create your own organization.  Then you get to choose where your organization's money is spent.

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April 09, 2013, 12:59:35 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations).  

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

The foundation is a joke and it is sad that they have conned so many people into paying for something. Obviously Gavin's heart was never into bitcoin, cause if he is just looking for a pay check which is the main reason the foundation was setup, then he shouldn't be writing the code.

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April 09, 2013, 01:00:54 AM
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If you like the idea of a monopolistic elite at the top, please add your comments also.
As long as they don't make any changes that I disagree with, I don't really care if a few people who know each other want to give themselves a fancy name and try to get others to donate money to their cause.

You are welcome to join together with a few of your own friends and create the "Bitcoin Institute" if you like.  You can create your own bitcoininstitute.org web page and fork your own copy of the reference client in git.  You can put out your own updates to the software and see if you can get donations to support the development work you are doing.

If changes are made that I disagree with, I'll probably find others with my point of view and do the same.

Fancy names don't give power to people.  People give power to people.

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Good comments, but as the 'Bitcoin Foundation' entangles its roots deeper and deeper it becomes harder to knock off... although not impossible, as per the recommendations in your comments.

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April 09, 2013, 01:03:40 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations).  

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

The foundation is a joke and it is sad that they have conned so many people into paying for something. Obviously Gavin's heart was never into bitcoin, cause if he is just looking for a pay check which is the main reason the foundation was setup, then he shouldn't be writing the code.

Have you quit you job to work on Bitcoin? Did your wife approve? Did you worry about saving for your daughters college fund...her wedding...your retirement?

Real people with real lives and real talent need more than "heart" to make life happen.

Hardfork aren't that hard.
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April 09, 2013, 01:05:12 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations).  

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

The foundation is a joke and it is sad that they have conned so many people into paying for something. Obviously Gavin's heart was never into bitcoin, cause if he is just looking for a pay check which is the main reason the foundation was setup, then he shouldn't be writing the code.

Have you quit you job to work on Bitcoin? Did your wife approve? Did you worry about saving for your daughters college fund...her wedding...your retirement?

Real people with real lives and real talent need more than "heart" to make life happen.

Bitcoin is my career. I am only 23 so I don't have a family, but I own my own apartment because I work hard on bitcoin. I ask every company I use to accept bitcoin. I been contributing my share to the bitcoin community. If Gavin can't work on bitcoin then it isn't for him, he should move on, or get a paying gig, but to have the foundation pay for open source work is INSANE!!!!!!!!!

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April 09, 2013, 01:07:11 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

I disagree with you. As the 'Bitcoin Foundation' becomes to go-to for media outlets and other large companies, they establish themselves more and more as the authority figures on Bitcoin. Surely this is obvious.

With regards to, 'they get money so they can make bitcoin better', we'll I've invite you to watch the RSA  video on what motivates us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc.
I can work a 9-5 full work day, but come home and voluntarily, for free, work on the pc from 6pm to 2am every night, not because I'm motivated by money but because I'm motivated by passion.

If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations). 

No, I've never contributed to the Bitcoin code, but I have voluntarily contributed to other code..
This 'Bitcoin Foundation' is missing the very man/girl who actually put in the original work to make Bitcoin in the first place, and IMO, did the ultimate act, by distributing it freely, totally anonymously and without credit. A true hero.

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April 09, 2013, 01:07:20 AM
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When the foundation was in 'request for comment' phase only a minority of people were leery about it.  ~theymos and myself are two that I remember.  My argument was that it created a vector for attacks of one form or another.  I don't remember ~theymos's but it it's public record.

I'm not and never was virulently against the foundation and have come close (in some ways) to donating to it.  My belief is that the foundation is the PRIMARY reason we are enjoying the present spike in valuations for those who feel that that is important.  It would be a lie to pretend that I am not delighted about that myself.

My personal belief is that the foundation is forming a fortress and echo-chamber within which 'bad ideas' are being amplified, and I think that it will ultimately destroy Bitcoin if it has not already.  This was not my original concern about the construct though.  I must qualify 'destroy' as being in my own perception of it's potential, and also that I may well be wrong.

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April 09, 2013, 01:09:26 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations).  

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

The foundation is a joke and it is sad that they have conned so many people into paying for something. Obviously Gavin's heart was never into bitcoin, cause if he is just looking for a pay check which is the main reason the foundation was setup, then he shouldn't be writing the code.

Have you quit you job to work on Bitcoin? Did your wife approve? Did you worry about saving for your daughters college fund...her wedding...your retirement?

Real people with real lives and real talent need more than "heart" to make life happen.

Bitcoin is my career. I am only 23 so I don't have a family, but I own my own apartment because I work hard on bitcoin. I ask every company I use to accept bitcoin. I been contributing my share to the bitcoin community. If Gavin can't work on bitcoin then it isn't for him, he should move on, or get a paying gig, but to have the foundation pay for open source work is INSANE!!!!!!!!!

Open source programming isn't worth paying for?

Hardfork aren't that hard.
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April 09, 2013, 01:09:50 AM
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to have the foundation pay for open source work is INSANE!!!!!!!!!

It's not insane, it's capitalism.

There is no reason that someone shouldn't profit from their efforts if someone else is willing to pay them for those efforts.

Nobody is forcing anybody to donate the the foundation.  It is voluntary.  It might be insane for others to make donations, but as long as they are willing to I don't see anything insane about being willing to accept those donations.

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to have the foundation pay for open source work is INSANE!!!!!!!!!

It's not insane, it's capitalism.
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It's not 'insane', not 'capitalism', and not 'uncommon'.  The FreeBSD foundation comes to mind.


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April 09, 2013, 01:13:28 AM
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This sounds childish. The foundation has zero authority. Zero. As in none. The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

Supporting the foundation is supporting Bitcoin, not some authority. If you are like nearly everyone on this forum, you either never contributed code to Bitcoin or you were never paid for whatever it is you have done to advance Bitcoin. Consequently, very few people have dedicated their careers to the Bitcoin protocol Smiley We can't keep hoping that the important work on Bitcoin keeps getting done for free (or quickly...during someone else's nights, weekends, and vacations).  

And you worry about authority? Yes, board members decide how the donations are spent. If you don't like that, all you can do is to be a part of changing it. But you can't do that from the outside.

The foundation is a joke and it is sad that they have conned so many people into paying for something. Obviously Gavin's heart was never into bitcoin, cause if he is just looking for a pay check which is the main reason the foundation was setup, then he shouldn't be writing the code.

Have you quit you job to work on Bitcoin? Did your wife approve? Did you worry about saving for your daughters college fund...her wedding...your retirement?

Real people with real lives and real talent need more than "heart" to make life happen.

Bitcoin is my career. I am only 23 so I don't have a family, but I own my own apartment because I work hard on bitcoin. I ask every company I use to accept bitcoin. I been contributing my share to the bitcoin community. If Gavin can't work on bitcoin then it isn't for him, he should move on, or get a paying gig, but to have the foundation pay for open source work is INSANE!!!!!!!!!

Open source programming isn't worth paying for?

Not beta software, and software were features and request are shot down with no vote or looking into. As I said obviously Gavin can't handle it, not to mention the fork was easily detected in test, yet no one tested it.


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April 09, 2013, 01:32:48 AM
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The foundation exists to get money from lots of people and give it to few people so they can make Bitcoin better. It's rather simple.

This sums up our entire economic system tbh, I'm glad to see bitcoin settled in and feels at home.
And with asic there about to pull the plug on decentralized mining so hey it's win win for all.

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April 09, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
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Not beta software, and software were features and request are shot down with no vote or looking into. As I said obviously Gavin can't handle it, not to mention the fork was easily detected in test, yet no one tested it.

So start your own fork of the source.  That way you can make sure that features and requests are not shot down.  You can also make sure that changes are well tested before being released as an official update.  As far as I know there is nothing stopping you or anyone else from doing this.  The foundation only has as much power as we allow them to have.

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Not beta software, and software were features and request are shot down with no vote or looking into. As I said obviously Gavin can't handle it, not to mention the fork was easily detected in test, yet no one tested it.

So start your own fork of the source.  That way you can make sure that features and requests are not shot down.  You can also make sure that changes are well tested before being released as an official update.  As far as I know there is nothing stopping you or anyone else from doing this.  The foundation only has as much power as we allow them to have.

You do know that is impossible, I wish I could go make java client that would have all my features, but I want a full node. Right now that is impossible to have a full node that is a 100% aligned with the bitcoin-qt and there no documentation so it even harder. So I am locked into this fork.

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