I have a list of users to DT tag if anyone have time...

[Gunthar]

I tagged some users that defaulted a loan on my lending service (with references). It would be appreciated if any DT would confirm the tags (even neutral). This is to assure those accounts dont get sold/recovered and to confirm my lending policy to not sell collateral accounts to not feed account farming/market on the forum.
Thank you.
~Gun

EDIT (last update 3 feb 2017):

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
jrpatking	0.0275BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	jrpatking_alt
chr_sty	0.037BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	christinalorine
Slowturtleinc	0.0144BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	Milkduds (profile)
Dormund	0.01BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	JYPE
jermwerty	0.108BTC	Link/Link2	Yes	Yes	jermwerty2
Vasco**	0.8BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	unknown
maduchen	0.0088BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	madu_alt
Kevinrasf	0.033BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	kevinrasffoo/issie81
Jog4444	0.028BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	unkown
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	Yes	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.

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[Quickseller]

Open scam accusations

[brituspol]

I think Reputation suits this kind of thread. So I guess you should move it there

Also can you just put links in OP. It would be much easier to leave neg rating

As said here, make a thread* publishing the list along with all the proof. That and/or PM some of the active DT members, for example Vod, shorena, Lutpin , mexxer-2 and EquaMobi.

*Scam accusations would suit it better

[Gunthar]

ok moving in rep. Will update with the complete list in OP
Thanks!

[Lauda]

ok moving in rep. Will update with the complete list in OP
Thanks!

Watching. Thank you for the transparency.

Why did you take accounts as collateral in the first place ?

This practice needs to stop since nothing good can come out of it. In most cases, a defaulted account gets sold to either a spammer or someone with a intent to scam.

[Joel_Jantsen]

This is to assure those accounts dont get sold/recovered and to confirm my lending policy to not sell collateral accounts to not feed account farming/market on the forum.
Thank you.
~Gun

Why did you take accounts as collateral in the first place ? Nevermind.Just a random comment passing by.

[Gunthar]

This is to assure those accounts dont get sold/recovered and to confirm my lending policy to not sell collateral accounts to not feed account farming/market on the forum.
Thank you.
~Gun

Why did you take accounts as collateral in the first place ? Nevermind.Just a random comment passing by.

Oh dont worry, you gotta love the way i'm handling those collaterals: it's time to cleanup a bit this forum and force the lender to stop supporting account farming.
~Gun

[Gunthar]

updated OP with complete list and references.
Thanks!
~Gun

[mexxer-2]

Well I can't see why you would want to tag accounts which now (if you have the necessary proof) rightfully belong to you. At any rate, would you prefer a neg tag or a neutral?

[Gunthar]

Well I can't see why you would want to tag accounts which now (if you have the necessary proof) rightfully belong to you. At any rate, would you prefer a neg tag or a neutral?

• They can come up whenever they want to theymos with a signed message and claim back their account aand continue to scam?
• They can be tied to their alts and continue to scam? (the more informations we have the easier we can find their alts)
• With DT tag they become useless so none will attempt to sell those accounts (hackers, original owners, DA LENDER(S)) aka let's help stopping account farming

i can continue the list but i'd need some more coffee this morning...
Thanks!

[Fortify]

It's good of you to share the list and stop them from spreading any further, but have you also stopped taking any new accounts as collateral for loans? I doubt this will change much, as someone else is always willing to accept these "dirty" trades and perpetuate this underground economy. BTCTalk needs to take a stand against it

[Gunthar]

It's good of you to share the list and stop them from spreading any further, but have you also stopped taking any new accounts as collateral for loans? I doubt this will change much, as someone else is always willing to accept these "dirty" trades and perpetuate this underground economy. BTCTalk needs to take a stand against it

Yes i have as you can read in my lending policy of May 2016 (reference) and i have invited other lenders to do the same. Some of them promised to do so and then regret so, my business got broken and they continued to grow. For now, my lending policy updates to "i am not selling collaterals account that defaulted loans" but believe it: i will do a mess with them and all their alts.
Of course my responsability is to not accept accounts that would ruin their reputation for a bunch of dollar cents. The most trusted are already taking loans without collatera: see yahoo, avirunes, ranochigo and others...
It's not easy tho uh...
~Gun

[devthedev]

I have flagged all of the listed users and alts with negative trust. Please contact me if any of them repay their loans.

[Gunthar]

I have flagged all of the listed users and alts with negative trust. Please contact me if any of them repay their loans.

Thank you.
~Gun

[zazarb]

sorry, Gunthar but this alleged fight more like a Don Quixote fighting windmills...
if the policy do not want to sell account's can understand, and evaluate the positive.
That a desire marked  "self" in in red, in my opinion is illogical, (of course only with exceptions that you took accounts without proof that account belongs to original user). Theymos certainly does not return account to real owner if you have agreement with signed message that  original owner gave this account as collateral. If all accounts under your control, and you yourself positioned itself as honest, so community should not be afraid new attempt to scam.
Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...
P.S.
I'm sorry that my guess for donator comes true..

[Gunthar]

Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...

mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....

[zazarb]

Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...

mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....

I'm sorry that my language is incomprehensible,  but you or miss the first part of post, or understood everything vice versa.
Or maybe you think that advertising  under tagged as scamer account looks alluring?

[Gunthar]

Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...

mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....

I'm sorry that my language is incomprehensible,  but you or miss the first part of post, or understood everything vice versa.

Lol is ok i love you too zaza  
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun

PS: what is your native language tho?

[zazarb]

Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...

mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....

I'm sorry that my language is incomprehensible,  but you or miss the first part of post, or understood everything vice versa.

Lol is ok i love you too zaza  
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun

PS: what is your native language tho?

my post essence, that everything was fine until you  advertised own service with accounts not marked in red.
Now people even are afraid to click link with your advertise, ,that did not get any virus or whatever,
summing it works as  anti advertising.

[Gunthar]

Now even your service advertise  in signature of these accounts  it looks like shady...

mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....

I'm sorry that my language is incomprehensible,  but you or miss the first part of post, or understood everything vice versa.

Lol is ok i love you too zaza  
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun

PS: what is your native language tho?

my post essence, that everything was fine until you  advertised own service with accounts not marked in red.
Now people even are afraid to click link with your advertise, ,that did not get any virus or whatever,
summing it works as  anti advertising.

Oh i see your point now

[Lauda]

I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.

[Milkduds]

Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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[Gunthar]

I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.

I quote 100%: this is why i started this path. There are a lot of people (see the list on my lending thread) that do really need a loan and they repay. But there are a lot that are looking at lending section as an alternative to sell their account.

And for this to:

Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Thanks for letting us know.
~Gun

[Quickseller]

Vasco**   0.8BTC   Link   Yes   Yes   unknown
** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.

Did you get a signed message from this guy?

Also, what is the txid for this loan?

[Gunthar]

Vasco**   0.8BTC   Link   Yes   Yes   unknown
** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.

Did you get a signed message from this guy?

Also, what is the txid for this loan?

No he did proof he wasnt hacked account by PM with some old stuff from BitcoinExchange (that's the real name of that account)

This is the log of the transaction id: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448684.msg16812886#msg16812886

[Gunthar]

Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Will post in the thread on Tuesday once I repay the total amount,just wanted to make sure I have the correct amount including all interest before I send.
Unless you want me to just state that I am intending to repay on that date in the thread,I will just leave it till then.

coughs....it's wednesday!!!...coughs

[eddie13]

I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.

Or maybe a good reason not to be red tagging legit sold accounts and legit account sellers..

[Gunthar]

I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.

Or maybe a good reason not to be red tagging legit sold accounts and legit account sellers..

We are not talkign about sold accounts here: those in the list are all scammers that defaulted a loan. FYI: sold accounts are not being tagged with red, but with neutral. The only one i have seen tagging red is Shield.

[Gunthar]

I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	No	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

[mexxer-2]

I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	No	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

Uh, the reference you included shows a post where he is claiming that he repaid the loan and you are confirming that it is repaid. Wrong post?

[Gunthar]

I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	No	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

Uh, the reference you included shows a post where he is claiming that he repaid the loan and you are confirming that it is repaid. Wrong post?

My bad! He took 3 loans from me, this is the last one that has been defaulted. Gave him enough time (over one month) and messaged him and his alt HEPHAISTOS: this is the defaulted one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448684.msg17287872#msg17287872

THanks!
~Gun

[HEPHAISTOS]

I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	No	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

Uh, the reference you included shows a post where he is claiming that he repaid the loan and you are confirming that it is repaid. Wrong post?

My bad! He took 3 loans from me, this is the last one that has been defaulted. Gave him enough time (over one month) and messaged him and his alt HEPHAISTOS: this is the defaulted one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448684.msg17287872#msg17287872

THanks!
~Gun

I do my best to repay my loans, and I will do it sooner or later because I always did it.

[Gunthar]

I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!

Borrower	Defaulted amount	Reference	DT tag	Lender tag	Alts reference
ghost15	0.045BTC	Link	No	Yes	HEPHAISTOS (Reference)

Uh, the reference you included shows a post where he is claiming that he repaid the loan and you are confirming that it is repaid. Wrong post?

My bad! He took 3 loans from me, this is the last one that has been defaulted. Gave him enough time (over one month) and messaged him and his alt HEPHAISTOS: this is the defaulted one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448684.msg17287872#msg17287872

THanks!
~Gun

I do my best to repay my loans, and I will do it sooner or later because I always did it.

Ty looking forward to yoru repayment

[HEPHAISTOS]

Thank you Vod to tag my alt account in red, now I have no reason to pay my loans.

[Gunthar]

Thank you Vod to tag my alt account in red, now I have no reason to pay my loans.

You blaming Vod for a service he is doing to the community tagging someone that defaulted a loan? Why you dont think about how to repay your loan instead? That would surely incentivate Vod to remove his tag....

[HEPHAISTOS]

Thank you Vod to tag my alt account in red, now I have no reason to pay my loans.

You blaming Vod for a service he is doing to the community tagging someone that defaulted a loan? Why you dont think about how to repay your loan instead? That would surely incentivate Vod to remove his tag....

i'm thinking about it, and i'm not blaming Vod .... news coming soon

°^° ghost of Hepahistos °^°

[Milkduds]

Having been involved in this tactic to receive payment I will make a suggestion or two.

Contact the party before requesting them to be flagged,sure this will increase the percentages of successful payments.
The other is not suggest that you are able to get the red trust removed from random members you request to flag said accounts.

This strong arm or ploy cost the signature for this account which would have been able to pay the loan off.
So two red flagged accounts,one in your hands that could cover loan and the other of no use to me now.

I suggest a different tact as this superior stance you are taking over other lenders is really a bad look and divides what should be united group of lenders.
You can not pretend to be better when you are involved in one of the most predatory businesses with a long history of exploitation through out history.

If you could prove that you can remove red flagged trust I would be tempted to pay you but as the situation stands I do not believe you are capable of such a move.
End of the day its how you want to operate,just some feedback and how the other side sees this.

[Gunthar]

some feedback and how the other side sees this.

I do prefer the term "scammer" rather than "other side"

I dont need to contact anyone indeed: you know you have to repay yoru loan Milk and if you talking about HEPAISTOS, god knows how many patience i have had with him.

Nice try tho.
~Gun

[HEPHAISTOS]

Your patience will be paid, I am not a scammer as you say, big countries such as the Greek it finds currently in crisis because of the debts and I am not ashamed to say that at the moment I am in financial crisis and if My intention was not good I would not answer in this thread, it is not because of this shit that man created and become his slave that I would become a shit.

[Vod]

Your patience will be paid, I am not a scammer as you say, big countries such as the Greek it finds currently in crisis because of the debts and I am not ashamed to say that at the moment I am in financial crisis and if My intention was not good I would not answer in this thread, it is not because of this shit that man created and become his slave that I would become a shit.

The red trust is just there to make sure you don't try for another loan.  Repay your debt and I will be happy to remove it. 

[Gunthar]

Your patience will be paid, I am not a scammer as you say, big countries such as the Greek it finds currently in crisis because of the debts and I am not ashamed to say that at the moment I am in financial crisis and if My intention was not good I would not answer in this thread, it is not because of this shit that man created and become his slave that I would become a shit.

The red trust is just there to make sure you don't try for another loan.  Repay your debt and I will be happy to remove it. 

Correct and thank you: it is the main reason why i contacted DT members to tag these accounts. Also: if i dont tag accounts that defaulted a loan, especially the ones that are held as collateral, someone could try to recover them from Theymos/Cyrus with a signed message from their staked address, in the future.
@HEPHAISTOS @Milkduds: some DT members might see it as a shady behaviour a user that comes out "only" when a scam accusation is open...

Hope if economic crisis is eating someone's money, it will be sorted out quickly and fairly for everyone, doesnt matter if from Greek or elsewhere. Just a suggestion for both @HEPHAISTOS and @Milkduds: stop gambling...
~Gun

[rizzlarolla]

Gunthar, not sure this is the place to post this, so i will move it if you want.
(hey you never replied to me in known alts!)

Rinder started a new BS thread tonight in meta. I checked his history. He is farmed. (but not yet published on my lists)
So i checked the surrounding accounts, these are obviously all part of that days farm. (there may be more to come, i only had a quick look)
10 accounts registered one after the other. (i will show the farmed connection in my farmer thread in due course)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772157  eco-ice
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772159  techalt
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772161  keketex144
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772164  Dormund
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772165  jayhawk1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772167  krisnt80
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772169  Rinder
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772170  toolbox
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772172  dragonchopper9
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=772175  celic95

I noticed many loan's among these accounts.
Dormund has defaulted to you.

But there are /defaults/loans/applications to -
yogg's micro loans (eco-ice),
Knight and day loans (edit keketex144 techalt and celtic),
Darkstar loans (jayhalk1)

Most interesting though was Toolbox, another lender, is also on that list.
Any interest on the matter here?

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I have posted in Toolbox's lending thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1788446.msg17898558#msg17898558
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vvv that post is bottom p30, in reply to your post p25. not important. bit off topic there. maybe reply in my farmer thread, if you so wish  

[Gunthar]

~snip

Hey
Interesting head up! Sure we can analyze those accounts here, this is a scam accusation thread so we should be fine and if we find those connections, it woudl be useful to tag their alts and not let them go around scamming others (main reasons why i publish here accounts that default on my lending service).

Uhm...can you point me at your questiong to me in the known alts thread? I must have missed it...

THanks!
~Gun

[btvGainer]

Cant believe a member with Donator status gave you his account as collateral that too for only 0.8BTC .I think this practice should stop.The whole lending thing

[Gunthar]

Cant believe a member with Donator status gave you his account as collateral that too for only 0.8BTC .I think this practice should stop.The whole lending thing

I dunno when they became donators. Consider some years ago 10BTC didnt worth like today. And yes, many lenders and myself did stop to accept accounts as collaterals. I think that woudl be enough.

[rizzlarolla]

Rinder started a new BS thread tonight in meta. I checked his history. He is farmed. (but not yet published on my lists)
So i checked the surrounding accounts, these are obviously all part of that days farm. (there may be more to come, i only had a quick look)
10 accounts registered one after the other. (i will show the farmed connection in my farmer thread in due course)

There are more accounts connected, i will list them as soon as i can.
I got sidetracked when checking these earlier. I found 50 more alphabet farmed accounts in the same search!
(that list posted just now, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1597201.msg17905355#msg17905355 )

[HEPHAISTOS]

I'm still alive
This red color next to my profile makes me want to flee this forum but my conscience keeps me from going without paying my debts,
I'm really sorry, I just want you to know that I'm still looking for a way to repay my loans 

[HEPHAISTOS]

Here I am back with less financial hardship and new ambitions, started by paying my loan after a long delays that completely changed the look of my account, things that did not stop me from repaying my loan by conviction.
I would like to thank Gunthar for having trusted me and being patient with regard to my loan, and all those who have left feedback in my trust, and will thank you more if you review your feedback.

https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/b4b8103ae7c2dc134a7c3214840c13718656c0465c2ab250fbd46e1ee2eff529

thanks

[Gunthar]

This user paid his loan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=818947

sent you 0.05btc
thank you and i'm really sorry for the delay 
https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/b4b8103ae7c2dc134a7c3214840c13718656c0465c2ab250fbd46e1ee2eff529

I will change -rep to neutral. Please notice DT members may/may not remove/change their rep at their own discretion due to the fact that the loan was repaid after a long time and only after an open scam accusation.
~Gun