Believers are 100% successful gamblers.

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and by the way i'm not a gambler im a muslim.

 

1) OP's topic header states believers are 100% successful gamblers.
2) OP states he's not a gambler but a muslim.

Thus OP must be stating he isn't a believer because he's not a gambler because all believers are gamblers which he just said he isn't.

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

His words... not mine. 

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[Foxpup]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

[manswter]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

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The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Oh right, isn't this Dr Zakir character the one who recommended the death penalty for homosexuals and for apostasy?
Think I'll give the links a miss. Don't fancy being radicalized.

[Betwrong]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Good question. I'd also ask are they(who act harmful to others) really believers? Aren't the believers should leave vengeance to God and only do good to others? I don't know, I thought every religion tells about that. I may be wrong of course, I'm not a religious scholar, but I've always thought that every religion encourages good deeds.

[merchantofzeny]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

[Tyrantt]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

[bararily]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Hogwash!!

I actually listen to the "scientific proof" of the existence of the creator clip.

Two claims he is making, both of them are pure lies BTW.   He said that Quran says that:

1. Earth is round
2. Light of the moon is a reflected light

Both are pure fabrications used to convince people that are too lazy to check.

Quran says that Allah "spread out Earth like a carpet".  Nowhere it says that Earth is round.

Regarding reflected light: Quran says "the light of the Sun and the light of the moon" . Nowhere in Quran it says that the light of the moon is a reflected light.

Both descriptions are consistent with what a person with no education would observe in the middle of Saudi Arabia in the 6th century.

Why did Allah not mention Internet, bitcoin or cure for cancer in the Quran?

Fuck, you guys should buy a clue.

Where the fuck you get all this shit ? LOL 

Here:

[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic يُكَوِّرُ] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

The Arabic word "Kura" means ball; its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" means: to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere). Here also the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.


More Quran miracls:

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

Anyways i dont care if you dont wanna believe in god your problem and Just Byebye!

[Tyrantt]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Hogwash!!

I actually listen to the "scientific proof" of the existence of the creator clip.

Two claims he is making, both of them are pure lies BTW.   He said that Quran says that:

1. Earth is round
2. Light of the moon is a reflected light

Both are pure fabrications used to convince people that are too lazy to check.

Quran says that Allah "spread out Earth like a carpet".  Nowhere it says that Earth is round.

Regarding reflected light: Quran says "the light of the Sun and the light of the moon" . Nowhere in Quran it says that the light of the moon is a reflected light.

Both descriptions are consistent with what a person with no education would observe in the middle of Saudi Arabia in the 6th century.

Why did Allah not mention Internet, bitcoin or cure for cancer in the Quran?

Fuck, you guys should buy a clue.

Where the fuck you get all this shit ? LOL 

Here:

[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic يُكَوِّرُ] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

The Arabic word "Kura" means ball; its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" means: to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere). Here also the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.


More Quran miracls:

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

Anyways i dont care if you dont wanna believe in god your problem and Just Byebye!

I thought you've gone from this forum.

See, your explanation couldn't be more legit than any other religions. From that first text "He overlaps the night over the day and overlaps  the day over the night," and previous statement "spread out Earth like a carpet" can both be true. The night and day can be in spherical motion
but not the earth, and that can also be drawn out of your post. Look, I've even drawn you a picture. So that verse can be molded to suit your needs and argument.

[protokol]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

Haha yeah, this whole thread is stupid. Partly because of what you just said, you'd have to believe in ALL of the religions to have a good chance of getting on the right side of god. Also you can't just pretend to believe in all the gods (because the true god would know if you were lying or not, because he/she is an all-knowing god).

So the only people that 100% get to go to heaven are the absolute madmen that literally believe in every single god ever known.

But some gods might find it blasphemous that you believed in all the other gods too, so I don't know, I guess mathematically everyone's pretty fucked whatever they believe  

[protokol]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

Haha yeah, this whole thread is stupid. Partly because of what you just said, you'd have to believe in ALL of the religions to have a good chance of getting on the right side of god. Also you can't just pretend to believe in all the gods (because the true god would know if you were lying or not, because he/she is an all-knowing god).

So the only people that 100% get to go to heaven are the absolute madmen that literally believe in every single god ever known.

But some gods might find it blasphemous that you believed in all the other gods too, so I don't know, I guess mathematically everyone's pretty fucked whatever they believe  

You are assuming that one of the religions got it right.   What if they all are wrong?

God would only take hardcore atheists to heaven.

That would be ironic.  We would probably establish democracy, put God on the government pension, bring equal rights to all fallen angels etc.  Now, there is your Broadway musical!!!

Haha, yeah that crossed my mind literally 2 seconds after I posted!

Of course another option would be that the actual god is so obscure, that it's not part of any religion but just believed in by a single person who happened by chance to believe in the right god. He goes to heaven, and it's just him and god there, no-one else.

The Broadway musical could be about this god who's really annoying, and keeps trying to get the only guy in heaven to play stupid games with him and shit. And all the while, the guy is really pissed off that he happened to believe in the one true god, and he keeps hoping that some more people on Earth will believe in the "correct" god to end his perpetual boredom and torment so he can have some company...  

[manbitcoinlover]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: in reality just death.
Believers: in reality just death.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

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What you said is based on Christian/Islam/Judaism beliefs. You have to broaden your mind up to some philosophical topics about god and energy. I believe there is a god and that god is energy. The spirit is the breath that you take, the soul is you, the body is for you to use. The topics get deep, to deep for me to write on a bitcoin forum. Also, I have more learning to do before I can start educating peeps on spirituality.

[Xester]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

[audaciousbeing]

Every decision we take in our daily life is gambling as we are not sure of the of the outcome of such decision just a level of certainty. I agree that its gambling in the sense that every religion believes its own way is the right way to go and its either one of us is wrong, or we are both wrong but for those of us who are religious, I believe we dont have the answers to everything thereby we live by Faith that our course of action is the right way to go.

[moriskarlov]

Why do you (author) allow yourself to use such bad language ? You really clog up your mind with negative.

[igorokavg13]

Every decision we take in our daily life is gambling as we are not sure of the of the outcome of such decision just a level of certainty. I agree that its gambling in the sense that every religion believes its own way is the right way to go and its either one of us is wrong, or we are both wrong but for those of us who are religious, I believe we dont have the answers to everything thereby we live by Faith that our course of action is the right way to go.

To gambling not good. I doubt that God can help players. I don't believe in God, but I am sure that gambling is a very bad thing. How many people because of them ruined their lives and even lost their lives.

[protokol]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

You are referring to "Pascal's Wager", an interesting thought experiment in terms of game theory, but it has been torn apart by philosophers for a number of reasons.

Just one reason would be you would have to be believing in the one, true god (Which Pascal was implying was the Judeo-Christian god). It would actually make more sense to believe in many deities, as this gives you more chance of winning the wager.

More about Pascal's Wager here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager

[Mersedes]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

You are referring to "Pascal's Wager", an interesting thought experiment in terms of game theory, but it has been torn apart by philosophers for a number of reasons.

Just one reason would be you would have to be believing in the one, true god (Which Pascal was implying was the Judeo-Christian god). It would actually make more sense to believe in many deities, as this gives you more chance of winning the wager.

More about Pascal's Wager here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager

Don't know what you're talking about. My grandmother always taught me that gambling is entertainment of the devil. How can you talk about God when talking about what is claimed and maimed many lives.

[Buffer Overflow]

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

Not at all.
God may exist and send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven.

[Karloff]

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

Not at all.
God may exist and send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven.

I am sure that there is no God no heaven no hell. The preachers chose a very comfortable position. If the person won he God will help and if not won then God is not heard. Absolutely a win-win position.