Believers are 100% successful gamblers.

[manswter]

I dont wanna talk shit but think about this (F*****k):

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

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SO WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFK Seriously?



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Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

(Search for more videos about DR Zakir Naik)

Good luck all.

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[Placid]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

[Oops]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

[manswter]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

Both of you please stay on topic! (I SAID --->IF<---), Also believers who hurt others that an other thread (Atleast they're believers) , AND I'm talking ONLY about TRUE believers and TRUE Atheists.

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

[manswter]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

Both of you please stay on topic! (I SAID --->IF<---), Also believers who hurt others that an other thing, I'm talking ONLY about TRUE believers and TRUE Atheists.

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

I'm on topic.   There is no IF.

I'm a "true" Atheist, whatever that means.  I will not go to heaven or hell, as both are imaginary constructs.

Your "IF", assumes that both hell and heaven exist.

The reality is:  When we die, we die.

Show me one case when someone died for a month and was revived.  One fucking case.

I WASN't TALKING TO YOU STUPID LOOK AT THE "QUOTES" WTF?

And now you're OFF topic!

"Your "IF", assumes that both hell and heaven exist." WAHT?

MY "IF" assumes that if atheists are right and if believers are right , you are  blind and stupid sorry kid. i cant talk to you. i need someone else!

Edit: You said: "The reality is:  When we die, we die."  I AGREE WITH YOU! but read my thread again you are off topic (Believers are smart cause they will win in both ways).

F******************************************k

[saddampbuh]

if atheists are right believers (you mean christians and muslims) missed out on doing all kinds of fun sins in this life so they are losing something when you look at it like that

[manswter]

if atheists are right believers (you mean christians and muslims) missed out on doing all kinds of fun sins in this life so they are losing something when you look at it like that

Are you telling me that i will go to HELL FOREVER after death if they are right, and all they are going to waste or lose is the fun of doing fun sins if we are right???

Shit, That's scary & i'm out!    

[canah17]

I dont wanna talk shit but think about this (F*****k):

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________


SO WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFK Seriously?

Well it depends on people who they will believe but really the Atheists well they don't know what will come to them if God will show up but they believed that heaven and hell doesn't exist but they believe on dying only and no emotions no regrets no feeling but dying is just dying to them they do sins for fun or they feel like it really they aren't afraid of anything even they don't afraid of God because they don't really believe but i really believe in God because he helped me in so much problems we solved together i don't really blame the atheists for not believing. What you believe is what you do so just believe in God if your a Believer if your not so be it don't believe but someday you will ^_^ you can't run from God for he is everything just saying :p

[BADecker]

I dont wanna talk shit but think about this (F*****k):

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________


SO WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFK Seriously?

Except there is no hell or heaven.  Small but important fact.

And the reason you know this is, ah, because you are the devil?   

[manswter]

More to the point, why did you join a bitcoin forum just to post this shit.

Assuming of course this isn't just another alt accounted you created and are now trying to increase post count for sig campaigns.

Seriously???, Well, i didn't expect this shitty answer from the well known atheist mr "markj113":

Did i just fucked up your atheist brain sir? STAY ON TOPIC, there is no sig campaigns! and even if it is you should tell us whats you think or please dont spam here, with all my respect to you brother...


Edit: "markj113" Just deleted his recent reply and i will delete this "quote" if he ask me to do so.

[BADecker]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

Both of you please stay on topic! (I SAID --->IF<---), Also believers who hurt others that an other thing, I'm talking ONLY about TRUE believers and TRUE Atheists.

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

I'm on topic.   There is no IF.

I'm a "true" Atheist, whatever that means.  I will not go to heaven or hell, as both are imaginary constructs.

Your "IF", assumes that both hell and heaven exist.

The reality is:  When we die, we die.

Show me one case when someone died for a month and was revived.  One fucking case.

So, you know everything in life, right? You know exactly what is going to happen tomorrow and next year, right? You know all the answers to all the mysteries in the universe, right? There is nothing that has ever come as a surprise to you, right?

Wake up and see that you have no basis for your faith. Your faith is blind faith. Blind faith has no basis, and is something that is predicated on the unknown. You might think that you believe. You might even be close to believing. But you don't know.

Sure, we might be living in some kind of subtle, unrecognizable matrix. But the things that we base our reality on remain rather constant. We can believe in these things. One of the basics of these is cause and effect. It is available everywhere, in all things. It almost proves that God exists, all by itself. Nothing contradicts cause and effect. If there is any cause and effect contradiction, we haven't found a hint of it. You are way off base with your silly idea that God doesn't exist.

To stay on topic... the point is, if God doesn't exist, nobody gets hurt more than he would otherwise, by death, for believing or for not believing. But if God DOES exist, and is truthful to the things He says, atheists will be living in great pain forever, following the resurrection.

Do you want to chance it? Is your knowledge that God doesn't exist so great that it covers every dimension of every millimeter of the universe? Is there absolutely no chance that you could be wrong? Is you faith in atheism so strong that it is greater than God's faith - God Who created the whole universe - if He DOES exist?

[BADecker]

More to the point, why did you join a bitcoin forum just to post this shit.

Assuming of course this isn't just another alt accounted you created and are now trying to increase post count for sig campaigns.

Seriously???, Well, i didn't expect this shitty answer from the well known atheist mr "markj113":

Did i just fucked up your atheist brain sir? STAY ON TOPIC, there is no sig campaigns! and even if it is you should tell us whats you think or please dont spam here, with all my respect to you brother...


Edit: "markj113" Just deleted his recent reply and i will delete this "quote" if he ask me to do so.

But I won't delete.

Besides, this is the Politics and Society section of the forum. It is very similar to the Off-topic section. It is for all kinds of stuff that might NOT be Bitcoin related.

In some ways the owner(s) of the forum have allowed lots of freedom to post the way we want.

[BADecker]

if atheists are right believers (you mean christians and muslims) missed out on doing all kinds of fun sins in this life so they are losing something when you look at it like that

Are you telling me that i will go to HELL FOREVER after death if they are right, and all they are going to waste or lose is the fun of doing fun sins if we are right???

Shit, That's scary & i'm out!    

What do you mean? Do you mean that you would rather lose the joys of Heaven and gain the pains of Hell, just so you don't miss out on a few illicit joys in this short life. If that's what you mean, you are a little nuts.

[manswter]

if atheists are right believers (you mean christians and muslims) missed out on doing all kinds of fun sins in this life so they are losing something when you look at it like that

Are you telling me that i will go to HELL FOREVER after death if they are right, and all they are going to waste or lose is the fun of doing fun sins if we are right???

Shit, That's scary & i'm out!    

What do you mean? Do you mean that you would rather lose the joys of Heaven and gain the pains of Hell, just so you don't miss out on a few illicit joys in this short life. If that's what you mean, you are a little nuts.

I'm not sure if you are talking to me brother but i'm not an atheist. anymore.

Thank you.

[Ankara]

If this, if that, religion this, atheist that. Like wtf is this thread? Just love a life how you want and then die, you will either go on or you won't but why does that matter now lol

[manswter]

If this, if that, religion this, atheist that. Like wtf is this thread? Just love a life how you want and then die, you will either go on or you won't but why does that matter now lol

So when i say :

IF you are a girl you're very sweet and IF you're a boy you're stupid as fuck.

Does it make IF a bullshit talk ?


Some more examples :

If bitcoin price goes up i will sell and IF goes down i will hold.

If your mom cheat on your father than she is a bitch and if she doesn't she is not.

IF you dont know who is your father you are a son of the bitch and IF you do you are NOt.

If its too cold i will wear more cloth and if not i will just stay in this t-shirt.

If your syster loves only black guys than she is a hard core bitch and if not than she is a sweet awesome normal girl.

If you die tomorrow noone will know where you hide your private bitcoin keys and if not than you should start telling everyone....

IF is everything, its used even on PHP, JS, C# C++ .... VB ... JAVA ...... andoid ...............


An other thing:

IF you cant take an IF than you will be fucked up by else or than.

[Placid]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

Anyway. To answer you question. Believers are not gamblers. They are believers. You can only be a gambler when you know for certain that there is a chance, how little it might be, something will happen or exists. For example winning the lottery. The chance is small, but the jackpot will definitely go to a person.
In this case, noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero.

[manswter]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

Anyway. To answer you question. Believers are not gamblers. They are believers. You can only be a gambler when you know for certain that there is a chance, how little it might be, something will happen or exists. For example winning the lottery. The chance is small, but the jackpot will definitely go to a person.
In this case, noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero.

"noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero. "


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

WOOW!

[Placid]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

Anyway. To answer you question. Believers are not gamblers. They are believers. You can only be a gambler when you know for certain that there is a chance, how little it might be, something will happen or exists. For example winning the lottery. The chance is small, but the jackpot will definitely go to a person.
In this case, noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero.

"noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero. "


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

WOOW!

Show me a scientific case please. Besides that, great response to a serious answer.

[manswter]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

Anyway. To answer you question. Believers are not gamblers. They are believers. You can only be a gambler when you know for certain that there is a chance, how little it might be, something will happen or exists. For example winning the lottery. The chance is small, but the jackpot will definitely go to a person.
In this case, noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero.

"noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero. "


------------- snip ------------------

WOOW!

Show me a scientific case please. Besides that, great response to a serious answer.

So i should give you a Scientific case or you will give a zero chance of god being existed?

[manswter]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Nobody goes to heaven.

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------snip----------

Why you are so angry?  Let me guess, you are fan of a blind war monger who flew to heaven on a winged horse, right?

Your first post does not makes any sense.  There is no god, so there is no IF.

Ask your Allah (or whatever your God's name is) to post here.  If he does not post, he does not exist.  Case closed. No IF.

Pascal wagers were discussed to death.  Move on.  Live your life.

Well!, If you cant make your mother come to my house than she doesn't exist.  Case closed. and No IF.

[Placid]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

Anyway. To answer you question. Believers are not gamblers. They are believers. You can only be a gambler when you know for certain that there is a chance, how little it might be, something will happen or exists. For example winning the lottery. The chance is small, but the jackpot will definitely go to a person.
In this case, noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero.

"noone ever saw heaven or hell, at least not scientifically confirmed. So the chance is zero. "


------------- snip ------------------

WOOW!

Show me a scientific case please. Besides that, great response to a serious answer.

So i should give you a Scientific case or you will give a zero chance of god being existed?

Show me proof. Real proof. Not made up Facebook crap.

[manswter]

Seriously. If you want a topic on going, you better show some manners. You are ragging like a Savage here.

------------- snip ------------------

Show me a scientific case please. Besides that, great response to a serious answer.

So i should give you a Scientific case or you will give a zero chance of god being existed?

Show me proof. Real proof. Not made up Facebook crap.

You didn't get the point, Good luck!

[MisO69]

All these threads end the same way. You can't argue logic with a believer. As belief is illogical to begin with..

[manswter]

All these threads end the same way. You can't argue logic with a believer. As belief is illogical to begin with..

Read the main thread fucktard its not even about believers stop spamming.

[Buffer Overflow]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care what anybody believes.

[manswter]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care.

Off topic!

This thread was made for (God doesn't exist) Atheists ONLY.

"God exists but simply doesn't care."    This is totally an other thread for believers.

[Buffer Overflow]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care.

Off topic!

This thread was made for (God doesn't exist) Atheists ONLY.

"God exists but simply doesn't care."    This is totally an other thread for believers.

Obviously another one of BADlogic's alt bitcointalk accounts, starting all these silly god threads. 

[manswter]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care.

Off topic!

This thread was made for (God doesn't exist) Atheists ONLY.

"God exists but simply doesn't care."    This is totally an other thread for believers.

Obviously another one of BADlogic's alt bitcointalk accounts, starting all these silly god threads.  

"Silly god threads"    <--- Just Look at this people, he didn't say shit about what i've posted in the main page Why?

cause his brain is fucked up right now! he is so confused, (TALKING ABOUT ALT ACCOUNTS HAHAH  So what? ) This is a prove that atheist are ONLY god haters and they want to kill him if they can.

Is that all you got to say? You are a joke! .. and ok thank you.

[Buffer Overflow]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care.

Off topic!

This thread was made for (God doesn't exist) Atheists ONLY.

"God exists but simply doesn't care."    This is totally an other thread for believers.

Obviously another one of BADlogic's alt bitcointalk accounts, starting all these silly god threads.  

"Silly god threads"    <--- Just Look at this people, he didn't say shit about what i've posted in the main page Why?

Oh look ladies and gentlemen, it even pretends it's arguments aren't blown out of the water, just like BADlogic does with his.
Here it is again, for the lulz. 

False dichotomy. There are many other options, for example, God exists but simply doesn't care.

[actmyname]

IF there is a god:

Chances are you're believing in the wrong one, and you're going to hell. Hey - there's millions of gods out there. What makes you think that the one you believe in is the right one? And here's the stinger - plenty of religions disallow the belief in multiple gods. Oops.

IF there isn't a god:

Nothing happens after you die.


Pick your poison.

[manswter]

IF there is a god:

Chances are you're believing in the wrong one, and you're going to hell. Hey - there's millions of gods out there. What makes you think that the one you believe in is the right one? And here's the stinger - plenty of religions disallow the belief in multiple gods. Oops.

IF there isn't a god:

Nothing happens after you die.


Pick your poison.

I think you are the one who should Pick a poison.

Cause i'm a muslim there is only ONE god. And good luck anyways

[actmyname]

I think you are the one who should Pick a poison.

Cause i'm a muslim there is only ONE god. And good luck anyways

Hey, you're Muslim. Fantastic! You belong to one of thousands of religions. Let's say that there's about 4000, and that each religion has an equal probability of being correct. That's a 1 in 4000 chance, about a 0.025% chance of you being right about being Muslim -- and going to heaven.

Consider the religions that offer multiple concurring beliefs - let's estimate about 100. That increases your chances drastically, already! To 1 in 400. Now you have a 0.25% chance of being right. Why not do that, if you're choosing the most +ev path?


But alternatively you can try to base the chances of correctness on the popularity of religion. Alright, let's do that.

Taking current statistics, Islam has ~1.3 billion believers. Taking this in mind, the current population is around 7.4 billion. That's an approximately 17.6% chance of being correct... but if we factor in the total number of people who have existed (let's say 80 billion) then it goes down to 1.625%. Wow, a lot of faith you have there.


Back in the old days, people also believed in Zeus and gods living on Mt. Olympus. They also believed in a dog god called Anubis that guarded the underworld. And sacrificing humans by flaying them for the Sun god.

Were any of those true?

[manswter]

I think you are the one who should Pick a poison.

Cause i'm a muslim there is only ONE god. And good luck anyways

Hey, you're Muslim. Fantastic! You belong to one of thousands of religions. Let's say that there's about 4000, and that each religion has an equal probability of being correct. That's a 1 in 4000 chance, about a 0.025% chance of you being right about being Muslim -- and going to heaven.

Consider the religions that offer multiple concurring beliefs - let's estimate about 100. That increases your chances drastically, already! To 1 in 400. Now you have a 0.25% chance of being right. Why not do that, if you're choosing the most +ev path?


But alternatively you can try to base the chances of correctness on the popularity of religion. Alright, let's do that.

Taking current statistics, Islam has ~1.3 billion believers. Taking this in mind, the current population is around 7.4 billion. That's an approximately 17.6% chance of being correct... but if we factor in the total number of people who have existed (let's say 80 billion) then it goes down to 1.625%. Wow, a lot of faith you have there.


Back in the old days, people also believed in Zeus and gods living on Mt. Olympus. They also believed in a dog god called Anubis that guarded the underworld. And sacrificing humans by flaying them for the Sun god.

Were any of those true?

I will not waste my time with u but all i can say GO read about all religions and pick the best one for you cause it's better than 0 chance of being a stupid atheist.
Good luck again.

[actmyname]

I will not waste my time with u but all i can say GO read about all religions and pick the best one for you cause it's better than 0 chance of being a stupid atheist.
Good luck again.

I've already done well enough reading. No, I'm providing this information to try and help you, just as you're trying to help others with this thread!


You're not a 100% successful gambler. You're more like a 0.1% successful gambler. Alternatively, if you do choose to believe in multiple religions, you'll increase your chances! Don't take these words lightly, it's "heaven" or "hell" after all.


I've already picked a religion, and I'm fine with it! After all, who wouldn't wouldn't choose to believe in Xenu?

[manswter]

I will not waste my time with u but all i can say GO read about all religions and pick the best one for you cause it's better than 0 chance of being a stupid atheist.
Good luck again.

I've already done well enough reading. No, I'm providing this information to try and help you, just as you're trying to help others with this thread!


You're not a 100% successful gambler. You're more like a 0.1% successful gambler. Alternatively, if you do choose to believe in multiple religions, you'll increase your chances! Don't take these words lightly, it's "heaven" or "hell" after all.


I've already picked a religion, and I'm fine with it! After all, who wouldn't wouldn't choose to believe in Xenu?

"I've already done well enough reading."  <--- this phrase sir tells me everything about you.

Well, atleast we're believers better than atheists and by the way i'm not a gambler im a muslim.
Thank you.

[Tyrantt]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: in reality just death.
Believers: in reality just death.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________

[Tyrantt]

I will not waste my time with u but all i can say GO read about all religions and pick the best one for you cause it's better than 0 chance of being a stupid atheist.
Good luck again.

I've already done well enough reading. No, I'm providing this information to try and help you, just as you're trying to help others with this thread!


You're not a 100% successful gambler. You're more like a 0.1% successful gambler. Alternatively, if you do choose to believe in multiple religions, you'll increase your chances! Don't take these words lightly, it's "heaven" or "hell" after all.


I've already picked a religion, and I'm fine with it! After all, who wouldn't wouldn't choose to believe in Xenu?

"I've already done well enough reading."  <--- this phrase sir tells me everything about you.

Well, atleast we're believers better than atheists and by the way i'm not a gambler im a muslim.
Thank you.

Dude, you didn't even answer the qustions he asked you and that fact, that you're avoiding answering questions, tells me everything about you. ISIS aren't terrorists they're muslims.

[actmyname]

"I've already done well enough reading."  <--- this phrase sir tells me everything about you.

How so? What does one phrase explain about a person? How can you possibly derive any significant amount of knowledge from one insignificant sentence uttered? Usually when you run out of arguments, you try to attack the opposition or change the subject - and then at that point, your arguments are not based on logic anymore.

Well, atleast we're believers better than atheists and by the way i'm not a gambler im a muslim.
Thank you.

You're better than atheists for what reason? Why does believing in god have anything to do with the characteristics of someone?

Would you instantly think of me in a better light if I were to suddenly believe in... let's say unicorns as a god rather than not? If so, then why do you state believers > atheists?

Do you think of people who believe in Christianity as being better than atheists? How about Judaism? Or Scientology? Or Pastafarianism? Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn? What about believing that there's a teapot in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter?

If you are willing to pass the later ones by as being "foolish" then I ask of you - what makes your religion not foolish? Do you deny the fact that a large number of people in the past have believed religiously in Valhalla, in gods upon Mt. Olympus, in Osiris and Ra and all sorts of gods to explain things that they did not understand? What makes yours more reasonable than any other ones?

[Daniel91]

I dont wanna talk shit but think about this (F*****k):

IF There is a god:

Atheists: are going to HELL.
Believers: to heaven.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________


SO WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFK Seriously?

I don't think that you understand it.
God is love first. Second, God is parent.
God's feelings about us is very well explained in the story about ''prodigal son'' in the bible.
So, nobody will go to Hell, and eventually all of us will go to Heaven, believers or non believers.
We are not flesh only but also souls, spirits.
So, when Lord of the second advent comes, and New Jerusalem came down from the heaven, all people will be resurrected, by God's grace and love.
So, it means, we are all 100 % successful gamblers, just some people will need more time.

[Buffer Overflow]

and by the way i'm not a gambler im a muslim.

 

1) OP's topic header states believers are 100% successful gamblers.
2) OP states he's not a gambler but a muslim.

Thus OP must be stating he isn't a believer because he's not a gambler because all believers are gamblers which he just said he isn't.

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

His words... not mine. 

[Foxpup]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

[manswter]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

[Buffer Overflow]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Oh right, isn't this Dr Zakir character the one who recommended the death penalty for homosexuals and for apostasy?
Think I'll give the links a miss. Don't fancy being radicalized.

[Betwrong]

There are believers who act harmful to others. Do they go to heaven as well?

Good question. I'd also ask are they(who act harmful to others) really believers? Aren't the believers should leave vengeance to God and only do good to others? I don't know, I thought every religion tells about that. I may be wrong of course, I'm not a religious scholar, but I've always thought that every religion encourages good deeds.

[merchantofzeny]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

[Tyrantt]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

[bararily]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Hogwash!!

I actually listen to the "scientific proof" of the existence of the creator clip.

Two claims he is making, both of them are pure lies BTW.   He said that Quran says that:

1. Earth is round
2. Light of the moon is a reflected light

Both are pure fabrications used to convince people that are too lazy to check.

Quran says that Allah "spread out Earth like a carpet".  Nowhere it says that Earth is round.

Regarding reflected light: Quran says "the light of the Sun and the light of the moon" . Nowhere in Quran it says that the light of the moon is a reflected light.

Both descriptions are consistent with what a person with no education would observe in the middle of Saudi Arabia in the 6th century.

Why did Allah not mention Internet, bitcoin or cure for cancer in the Quran?

Fuck, you guys should buy a clue.

Where the fuck you get all this shit ? LOL 

Here:

[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic يُكَوِّرُ] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

The Arabic word "Kura" means ball; its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" means: to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere). Here also the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.


More Quran miracls:

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

Anyways i dont care if you dont wanna believe in god your problem and Just Byebye!

[Tyrantt]

The only possible conclusion is he's a secret Atheist that's pretending to be Muslim.

That's not the only possible conclusion. He could be a Muslim heretic who believes one doesn't have to be a believer to be a Muslim. I just hope he lives in a free country; there are places where saying such things would cost you your head.

Subhana llah!!!.  

I've just seen these replies, anyways Say whatever you want and make your "ONLY conclusions" about me i will not be shocked since you devils already have conclusions about the greatest god.

Also in order To speak to an atheist you must be infront of him in order to read his body language, to make sure he is not fucking around and you will answer him based on his brain.

Anyways since my english is not good im going to leave these videos here it might help some one to believe in god inchalluh:

An Atheist asked a good question then argued and challenged Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-oxDUG9DQg

A Smart Debate, An Atheist VS Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VI8aczWczM

A Smart Atheist or Agnostic vs Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7HiY49P3w

Scientific Proof for Atheist on Existence of God...Answer By: Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZh8Tt8v-A

Does god exist? (Best answer by Ahmed Deedat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzTlK074eg

Hogwash!!

I actually listen to the "scientific proof" of the existence of the creator clip.

Two claims he is making, both of them are pure lies BTW.   He said that Quran says that:

1. Earth is round
2. Light of the moon is a reflected light

Both are pure fabrications used to convince people that are too lazy to check.

Quran says that Allah "spread out Earth like a carpet".  Nowhere it says that Earth is round.

Regarding reflected light: Quran says "the light of the Sun and the light of the moon" . Nowhere in Quran it says that the light of the moon is a reflected light.

Both descriptions are consistent with what a person with no education would observe in the middle of Saudi Arabia in the 6th century.

Why did Allah not mention Internet, bitcoin or cure for cancer in the Quran?

Fuck, you guys should buy a clue.

Where the fuck you get all this shit ? LOL 

Here:

[Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic يُكَوِّرُ] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?

The Arabic word "Kura" means ball; its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" means: to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere). Here also the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.


More Quran miracls:

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

Anyways i dont care if you dont wanna believe in god your problem and Just Byebye!

I thought you've gone from this forum.

See, your explanation couldn't be more legit than any other religions. From that first text "He overlaps the night over the day and overlaps  the day over the night," and previous statement "spread out Earth like a carpet" can both be true. The night and day can be in spherical motion
but not the earth, and that can also be drawn out of your post. Look, I've even drawn you a picture. So that verse can be molded to suit your needs and argument.

[protokol]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

Haha yeah, this whole thread is stupid. Partly because of what you just said, you'd have to believe in ALL of the religions to have a good chance of getting on the right side of god. Also you can't just pretend to believe in all the gods (because the true god would know if you were lying or not, because he/she is an all-knowing god).

So the only people that 100% get to go to heaven are the absolute madmen that literally believe in every single god ever known.

But some gods might find it blasphemous that you believed in all the other gods too, so I don't know, I guess mathematically everyone's pretty fucked whatever they believe  

[protokol]

The most striking for me is that Jews don't seem to believe in Hell (and they didn't believe in Jesus either). So, hell or not, who should you believe? And what happens to all the good people that died before Jesus but happened to be believing other gods? Or those that died after Jesus but never heard of him?

Yes, that's the only thing that's strange... and not the fact that you have over 4000 religions

"The precise number of religions in the world is not known, but available estimates show the number to be about 4,300, according to Adherents.com"

So the better question would be what religion is the true one.
Pro tip: none

Haha yeah, this whole thread is stupid. Partly because of what you just said, you'd have to believe in ALL of the religions to have a good chance of getting on the right side of god. Also you can't just pretend to believe in all the gods (because the true god would know if you were lying or not, because he/she is an all-knowing god).

So the only people that 100% get to go to heaven are the absolute madmen that literally believe in every single god ever known.

But some gods might find it blasphemous that you believed in all the other gods too, so I don't know, I guess mathematically everyone's pretty fucked whatever they believe  

You are assuming that one of the religions got it right.   What if they all are wrong?

God would only take hardcore atheists to heaven.

That would be ironic.  We would probably establish democracy, put God on the government pension, bring equal rights to all fallen angels etc.  Now, there is your Broadway musical!!!

Haha, yeah that crossed my mind literally 2 seconds after I posted!

Of course another option would be that the actual god is so obscure, that it's not part of any religion but just believed in by a single person who happened by chance to believe in the right god. He goes to heaven, and it's just him and god there, no-one else.

The Broadway musical could be about this god who's really annoying, and keeps trying to get the only guy in heaven to play stupid games with him and shit. And all the while, the guy is really pissed off that he happened to believe in the one true god, and he keeps hoping that some more people on Earth will believe in the "correct" god to end his perpetual boredom and torment so he can have some company...  

[manbitcoinlover]

IF There is a god:

Atheists: in reality just death.
Believers: in reality just death.

IF There is NO god:

Atheists: Just death.
Believers: ALSO Just fucking death and nothing will happen to them!!!.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________

What you said is based on Christian/Islam/Judaism beliefs. You have to broaden your mind up to some philosophical topics about god and energy. I believe there is a god and that god is energy. The spirit is the breath that you take, the soul is you, the body is for you to use. The topics get deep, to deep for me to write on a bitcoin forum. Also, I have more learning to do before I can start educating peeps on spirituality.

[Xester]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

[audaciousbeing]

Every decision we take in our daily life is gambling as we are not sure of the of the outcome of such decision just a level of certainty. I agree that its gambling in the sense that every religion believes its own way is the right way to go and its either one of us is wrong, or we are both wrong but for those of us who are religious, I believe we dont have the answers to everything thereby we live by Faith that our course of action is the right way to go.

[moriskarlov]

Why do you (author) allow yourself to use such bad language ? You really clog up your mind with negative.

[igorokavg13]

Every decision we take in our daily life is gambling as we are not sure of the of the outcome of such decision just a level of certainty. I agree that its gambling in the sense that every religion believes its own way is the right way to go and its either one of us is wrong, or we are both wrong but for those of us who are religious, I believe we dont have the answers to everything thereby we live by Faith that our course of action is the right way to go.

To gambling not good. I doubt that God can help players. I don't believe in God, but I am sure that gambling is a very bad thing. How many people because of them ruined their lives and even lost their lives.

[protokol]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

You are referring to "Pascal's Wager", an interesting thought experiment in terms of game theory, but it has been torn apart by philosophers for a number of reasons.

Just one reason would be you would have to be believing in the one, true god (Which Pascal was implying was the Judeo-Christian god). It would actually make more sense to believe in many deities, as this gives you more chance of winning the wager.

More about Pascal's Wager here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager

[Mersedes]

Let us say you are right that believing in God is a gamble, one philosopher and theologian in his writing religion as a wager says that believing in God is a gamble.

Its like a lottery you buy a ticket for 1 $ for a possible chance of winning 1 million $. If you lost then its no big deal since its only 1$ but if you win you receive a million times worth of your bet.

Then imagine living your life following God in a short time for the chance of winning being with God and live in eternal happiness is unmeasurable profit. And even if there is no God yet live your life following the virtues that a believer us set then you will have more friends and people will love you and if everyone else does the same there will be order in society.

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

You are referring to "Pascal's Wager", an interesting thought experiment in terms of game theory, but it has been torn apart by philosophers for a number of reasons.

Just one reason would be you would have to be believing in the one, true god (Which Pascal was implying was the Judeo-Christian god). It would actually make more sense to believe in many deities, as this gives you more chance of winning the wager.

More about Pascal's Wager here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager

Don't know what you're talking about. My grandmother always taught me that gambling is entertainment of the devil. How can you talk about God when talking about what is claimed and maimed many lives.

[Buffer Overflow]

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

Not at all.
God may exist and send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven.

[Karloff]

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

Not at all.
God may exist and send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven.

I am sure that there is no God no heaven no hell. The preachers chose a very comfortable position. If the person won he God will help and if not won then God is not heard. Absolutely a win-win position.

[Tyrantt]

So with or without God, a believer is always on the winning side, but if there is God  they will be happy forever.

Not at all.
God may exist and send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven.

Let's look at it this way:

5 religions (out of 4000+) will be in this, so you life your life by one and but he rules of that one religion to go to heaven, but you haven't respected the rules ofthe other 4 so by them you go to their hell and by 4:1 you'll be traveling from hell to hell. That's if all religions are actually legit, but let's take that one is legit, there's still 20% to pick the right one and now let's take the 4000 religions, there are more btw, so that's 0.025% to pick the right one. Even if one religious techings is true why does it have to be your one? Faith? that faith might get you to hell.

[Tyrantt]

Every decision we take in our daily life is gambling as we are not sure of the of the outcome of such decision just a level of certainty. I agree that its gambling in the sense that every religion believes its own way is the right way to go and its either one of us is wrong, or we are both wrong but for those of us who are religious, I believe we dont have the answers to everything thereby we live by Faith that our course of action is the right way to go.

not that kind of gambling, but the gambling in sense have you picked the right religion. Look at my previous post and you'll get it.

[Actualiteit]

What I've been asking myself is this: Why would the Devil punish you for not living like God intended? Wouldn't that guy welcome you with a beer and BBQ plus all the hot chicks/guys you want because you're more about "fuck god I'll do my own thing"?

[dawnpot]

I bet to differ and the opposite is rather the case.  I think you need to qualify your "believers" so that we draw the distinction because there are self acclaimed "believers" who are not genuine.

[pseexh]

What I've been asking myself is this: Why would the Devil punish you for not living like God intended? Wouldn't that guy welcome you with a beer and BBQ plus all the hot chicks/guys you want because you're more about "fuck god I'll do my own thing"?

If God helped the players all 100% successful players would be Church Ministers. Alas it is not. So gambling is the devil's spawn. In General, I don't play. I believe that easy money is an evil that will not bring joy.

[Hiren74]

Free and easy money taste the best though

When I think all the times I have been duped, defrauded or lost money who are doing it the 'naughty' way of making money, if I can go to a bookie and place a 10K bet and walk away with 20k or none, the choice should be mine and how can I feel guilty if I win or lose ?

 

[Kvazimoda]

Free and easy money taste the best though

When I think all the times I have been duped, defrauded or lost money who are doing it the 'naughty' way of making money, if I can go to a bookie and place a 10K bet and walk away with 20k or none, the choice should be mine and how can I feel guilty if I win or lose ?

 

A lot of cases where people won big money in lottery or casino was not happy. Moreover many of them for several years, spent all the money and died from alcohol. More money is a test.

[Drowzy]

Free and easy money taste the best though

When I think all the times I have been duped, defrauded or lost money who are doing it the 'naughty' way of making money, if I can go to a bookie and place a 10K bet and walk away with 20k or none, the choice should be mine and how can I feel guilty if I win or lose ?

 

A lot of cases where people won big money in lottery or casino was not happy. Moreover many of them for several years, spent all the money and died from alcohol. More money is a test.

I wish I could be part of this test. I would pass with flying colors. First, be generous to your friends and family. Second, don't do drugs or alcohol. Third, go to church.

[wowanstrong]

Free and easy money taste the best though

When I think all the times I have been duped, defrauded or lost money who are doing it the 'naughty' way of making money, if I can go to a bookie and place a 10K bet and walk away with 20k or none, the choice should be mine and how can I feel guilty if I win or lose ?

 

A lot of cases where people won big money in lottery or casino was not happy. Moreover many of them for several years, spent all the money and died from alcohol. More money is a test.

I wish I could be part of this test. I would pass with flying colors. First, be generous to your friends and family. Second, don't do drugs or alcohol. Third, go to church.

That's what you think because you have no money. Trust easy money and greatly change people. It is very well seen on the children of millionaires. Let's see how they behave. If you do not earn money with their work you don't know their price.

[Buffer Overflow]

First, be generous to your friends and family.

But then how would you know if they are only being your friends because of your generosity? Stop being generous and this will reveal your true friends.

Second, don't do drugs or alcohol.

In moderation will do you no harm. Life is for living.

Third, go to church.

Why? That only gives the church more power and wealth.
Didn't Jesus say go sell your possessions and give to the poor? What went wrong there then as they sit on their thrones of gold giving their orders.

[myparentsdisownedme]

Man youre so smart for not believing in god, howd you get so intelligent my man?

[iamTom123]

It is quite funny sometimes how people can be trumpeting their beliefs or lack thereof. As for me, I prefer to just wait what can happen...if my belief will come true then good for all of us because my belief would include all of the people in the whole universe and would not exclude anyone. Otherwise, it would not harm in case things I believe in would not come true. People who don't believe on anything are actually believing on their conviction that there is nothing to believe on. Ironic, isn't it?

[bitcoinisbest]

There are many whom I know who believe in the progress and their work they do with intelligence. When they do gamble they have lost a bit rather then winning. But they enjoy the gambling rather than being addicted to it. So there is no connection of believing with gambling.