Monero, Dash, or Zcash? Let's argue about it.

[cryptohunter]

any coin that has not been around for at least a year or two can not be compared with those coins that have been around for a very long time, kept the price up, and have been battle hardened. i am talking about Zcash, you should not even compare it with big coins like Monero or Dash. let it stay around for at least a year and if its price was still above $5 then we can talk

Wrong dash is a known proven scam coin it should not be compared to coins that are not proven to be a scam

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999084.0

[StinkyLover]

Anonymity is NOT wanted by the general public (but this industry will NEVER listen). Using it as a USP for a crypto is just tightening the noose around it's neck.

Monero will not emerge from darkweb usage and the more anonymous it becomes the more underground it will be driven. Soon Monero will be seen as another drug crypto. BTC is moving away from that but Monero's soul has been bought and it's become the anonymous BTC replacement for nefarious activities via AlphaBay. In return, Monero holders can now claim "real world usage" and lots of bagholder profits.

Read Faust

Advice for all cryptos. Stop with all the tech crap and start building proper tools for the general public to use. The killer crypto app will be the app that the public start downloading and using (yes, I'm stating the obvious). They will not have ANY INTEREST in the tech behind it as long as it works.

As long as we keep comparing dick sizes in terms of tech we will remain in this forum posting nonsense and arguing amongst ourselves.

[Febo]

Due to the limited number of full nodes (centralization) and the rather large blockchain size Monero will hit the exact same problem
as Bitcoin : full nodes will be dropping more and more due to increased blockchain size as there is no financial motivation for users to keep them running.

My Monero blockchain is 8.5gb  what is rather small or even the smallest of the ones you mentioned.
Number of full nodes grow every day. So I guess there is a financial or some other kind of motivation to start running full nodes. Or would be the way around.



@BitWhale

One common thing of this 3 coins you mention is that they run as Proof of Work. Beside that they are quite different. ByteBalls are not even PoW but PoS, so you need to try to find better coins to compare it with.

[Spoetnik]

If we were to compare Dash with Monero and Zcash then not only are Monero and Zcash less decentralized in its governance system
but they also only focus on one aspect, which is the private aspect. Dash has much more to offer then just private transactions.

And we're conveniently forgetting that the governance system of Dash is fatally flawed and not in any way decentralized as already explained by iamnotback/anynomint/etc numerous times. In short: masternodes fueled by the instamine generates more dash -> more masternodes leading to centralized governance.

Monero also has a dynamic blocksize and tail emission allowing for more stable scaling than the alternatives. The dev team is also one of the most transparent and competent in crypto space. It is only in your uninformed opinion that "they also only focus on one aspect".

Not really as Dash has a yearly 7% cut in blockrewards (of which one is coming up next month), which means both masternodes / miners and our decentralized budget
will get less and less blockrewards / budget over time. This leads to more decentralization.
 

How would that even begin to lead to more decentralization? You don't even know what you're talking about. It's already too late and this won't reverse the existing centralization..

Simplify it.. which Monero shill holds the password to the Github account ?
..which is under jurisdiction of US law by the way.
If they request data ..it will be given.
Same goes for the 90% of all Monero coins being traded on Poloniex with Picture ID.

Legal compliance is in effect.. "it is too late"
It's already happening sweety LOL

Don't bother with the tunnel vision games here trying to debate one simple part of the whole picture.
While selling your bags sitting on Poloniex to noobs showing up.
Trying to pander to them is a fools game.
Adoption is where it is at.. and ANON is doomed in that respect.

If you guys can not see the larger picture then tough titty.
You will be steam rolled later..

[qwizzie]

Due to the limited number of full nodes (centralization) and the rather large blockchain size Monero will hit the exact same problem
as Bitcoin : full nodes will be dropping more and more due to increased blockchain size as there is no financial motivation for users to keep them running.

My Monero blockchain is 8.5gb  what is rather small or even the smallest of the ones you mentioned.
Number of full nodes grow every day. So I guess there is a financial or some other kind of motivation to start running full nodes. Or would be the way around.

Problem is that Monero's blockchain which will increase in time (and explosively increase if we are talking about digital cash usage), is only really to be used in combination
with SSD drives as the HDD drives are appearently unuseable with Monero (blockchain then just takes ages to sync or wont sync at all). Storing a growing blockchain on SSD's
forms a risk with power outage, where one risks losing all data. Besides it is also pricey to use SSD drives for blockchain storage, compared to HDD drives.  

Dash has no problem with storing its blockchain of a measly 2.4 Gb on HDD drives and the small footprint of its blockchain size enables it to run on practically anything :
Rasberry Pi, VPS 15Gb servers, from servers at home  .. you name it.

    

[Febo]

Due to the limited number of full nodes (centralization) and the rather large blockchain size Monero will hit the exact same problem
as Bitcoin : full nodes will be dropping more and more due to increased blockchain size as there is no financial motivation for users to keep them running.

My Monero blockchain is 8.5gb  what is rather small or even the smallest of the ones you mentioned.
Number of full nodes grow every day. So I guess there is a financial or some other kind of motivation to start running full nodes. Or would be the way around.

Problem is that Monero's blockchain which will increase in time and explosively increase if we are talking about digital cash usage, is only really to be used in combination
with SSD drives as the HDD drives are appearently impractical to use (blockchain then just takes ages to sync or wont sync at all). Storing a growing blockchain on SSD's
forms a risk with power outage, where one risks losing all data. Besides it is also pricey to use SSD drives for blockchain storage, compared to HDD drives.   

Dash has no problem with storing its blockchain of 2.4 Gb on HDD drives and the small footprint of its blockchain size, enables it to run on practically anything :
Rasberry Pi, VPS 15Gb servers, from servers at home  .. you name it.

    

I cant discus how storing datas on SSD can  cause malfunctions. I am sure such disks should not be put on sale at all. And this is a matter of producer of those disks. If they give warranty then they should also repay all loss made by their product malfunction.  This is wrong place to question this, since no one can give you right answer here.

[vapourminer]

I cant discus how storing datas on SSD can  cause malfunctions. I am sure such disks should not be put on sale at all. And this is a matter of producer of those disks. If they give warranty then they should also repay all loss made by their product malfunction.  This is wrong place to question this, since no one can give you right answer here.

ssds are a blockchains best friend. of course its more money per gb but oh well.

just back em up. my chains (plus other important stuff of course) are automatically backed up to spinners in raid 5 nightly.

[noise2]

Anonymity is NOT wanted by the general public (but this industry will NEVER listen). Using it as a USP for a crypto is just tightening the noose around it's neck.

Monero will not emerge from darkweb usage and the more anonymous it becomes the more underground it will be driven. Soon Monero will be seen as another drug crypto. BTC is moving away from that but Monero's soul has been bought and it's become the anonymous BTC replacement for nefarious activities via AlphaPay. In return, Monero holders can now claim "real world usage" and lots of bagholder profits.

Read Faust

Advice for all cryptos. Stop with all the tech crap and start building proper tools for the general public to use. The killer crypto app will be the app that the public start downloading and using (yes, I'm stating the obvious). They will not have ANY INTEREST in the tech behind it as long as it works.

As long as we keep comparing dick sizes in terms of tech we will remain in this forum posting nonsense and arguing amongst ourselves.

I agree with the jist of your post, except that anonymity is essential although not wanted by the big players, but it's important that the tech behind it actually works. Which is why the hate directed against Dash, Zcash and similar scams is important.

[Zadicar]

Among the selection i would definitely monero over all and theres no superior thing because most altcoins are the same but they only differ on some feautures and also monero(XMR) is quiet longer among other coins thats you said and that Zcash could not stand a chance on monero because its just a shitcoin which makes the price high because of the hype and now seeing the price drops drastically.

[BitWhale]

LOL, so awesome, I love how it morphed from sweet helpful crypto-loving friends to haters hatin' by page two. God I love you guys.

In all seriousness though, thank you for the overwhelming response.

Spotnik, always nice to hear from you, I do have to disagree I think that anon coins have a small place in each crypto investors wallets, granted within due time. We can't deny that dirty money is how this whole thing started, I definitely can't discredit it, I'd love to know how much value flows through the black markets daily. That being said, I definitely wouldn't want to buy any of the coins now at these inflated prices, its something I'm willing to wait for later on, and if I miss the train so be it. The time to buy them was summer 2 years ago eh. We will get another opportunity within due time though, who knows which coins will be the ones to pick though.

I am a trader, so I naturally try not to place personal bias into my trades, this makes me look at all 3 of these coins very subjectively. I literally want to know which has the best features. I can't help but mention that there is so many opinions flying around outside of this thread, he said she said, that it makes it very hard for an outsider like me to differentiate between good and bad.

Also, I should mention that I have already weighed in each coins years of existence and their adoption levels. This does matter to me, but my main curiousity is knowing which coin is actually the strongest competitor under the hood. If it came down to your life, freedom, and bank account, hypothetically, which coin comes out as the winner? Which coin is most trustworthy? It seems all 3 of these coins have some sort of "distribution" scandal. Which is the worst? I do feel like Zcash definitely can't be verifiably trustable, this is a problem... that doesn't fly in cryptoland.

Side note: I would prefer we don't bring obvious holes in anonymous features such as the use of third-party exchanges and their ID verification practices unless absolutely necessary, as no one is forcing the users to identify themselves. If the user was truly worried about their anonyminity they would use other means of obtaining the coins to ensure their identity/data is safe. Consider these type of scenarios already automatically applied.

Also to the person that said I should pick better coins than BB to compare, I merely mean the use of Blackbytes and their anonymous system. Had nothing to do with POW or POS and everything to do with anonyminity features.

So far, I'm leaning Monero Especially about what was said with "RingQT" I think it was called. Thank you all for the great info so far. It's exactly what I'm looking for.

Thanks ladies & gents, I appreciate the riveting discussion. Let's keep this argument a flowin'!

[BitWhale]

Among the selection i would definitely monero over all and theres no superior thing because most altcoins are the same but they only differ on some feautures and also monero(XMR) is quiet longer among other coins thats you said and that Zcash could not stand a chance on monero because its just a shitcoin which makes the price high because of the hype and now seeing the price drops drastically.

Grats on post #420 Zadicar.

Anonymity is NOT wanted by the general public (but this industry will NEVER listen). Using it as a USP for a crypto is just tightening the noose around it's neck.

Monero will not emerge from darkweb usage and the more anonymous it becomes the more underground it will be driven. Soon Monero will be seen as another drug crypto. BTC is moving away from that but Monero's soul has been bought and it's become the anonymous BTC replacement for nefarious activities via AlphaPay. In return, Monero holders can now claim "real world usage" and lots of bagholder profits.

Read Faust

Advice for all cryptos. Stop with all the tech crap and start building proper tools for the general public to use. The killer crypto app will be the app that the public start downloading and using (yes, I'm stating the obvious). They will not have ANY INTEREST in the tech behind it as long as it works.

As long as we keep comparing dick sizes in terms of tech we will remain in this forum posting nonsense and arguing amongst ourselves.

I do agree with you, I think its a losing battle that will end in charges no doubt. I am merely curious which coin actually has the best features though, as I do feel they will have their place in crypto. I might not like the fact that they are used for illegal things, but when it comes down to it, there's a good chance any one of the bills in the wallet in my pocket has cocaine dust on it from good ole Merica, as they say the USD is still more anonymous than bitcoin will ever be.

I know thats a shitty stance, heres a coin online that makes its name by providing black transactions, this will no doubt catch the eye of the feds. I do agree with you. That's why I laughed when "DarkCoin" rebranded itself as "Dash" in a poor attempt to try to renew their social image to a "fast secure payment network with anonymous transactions for the masses", it will always be DarkCoin to me... I just can't help but be curious which coin actually wins the race, after all the dust settles. The true "killer" will be the one that receives mainstream adoption and leaves all that kiddie shit behind, I agree with you.

[Hueristic]

...I would also consider our project Spectrecoin as this represent another strand or anonymity w/ ring signatures ala. Monero and dual key stealth addresses. This means that there is no link between the sender and receiver. In addition to all this there is the aspect of hiding your IP through Tor or I2P. I know that we will have Tor integrated so that Spectrecoin can only be run under Tor and you will not need any additional software and always be secure. Monero will soon implement I2P. So my ranking would discard Zcash and DASH and out of the three focus on Monero. However, we (Spectre) will also become a contender as we have intentions of rolling out some Android infrastructure that will be used for cash transfer.

Happy New Year all...

20,000,000 SPEC has been created in a 'genesis transaction' and 95% of the SPEC supply will be offered as an investment opportunity to the public up until 08/01/2017.

So who is holding this in escrow? Also why would you choose shadowcrap code to fork? It's already been proven unreliable by Shen when he had to reveal the entire "hidden" blockchain before the Shadowcrap devs would admit there code was bad.

...If we were to compare Dash with Monero and Zcash then not only are Monero and Zcash less decentralized in its governance system
but they also only focus on one aspect, which is the private aspect. Dash has much more to offer then just private transactions.

This is patently false. Actually masternodes make Dash on the most centralized chain there is. And it's governance is wholly controlled.

XMR has had more contributors than any coin I know of Sans BTC.

Anonymity is NOT wanted by the general public (but this industry will NEVER listen). Using it as a USP for a crypto is just tightening the noose around it's neck.

Monero will not emerge from darkweb usage and the more anonymous it becomes the more underground it will be driven. Soon Monero will be seen as another drug crypto. BTC is moving away from that but Monero's soul has been bought and it's become the anonymous BTC replacement for nefarious activities via AlphaPay. In return, Monero holders can now claim "real world usage" and lots of bagholder profits.

Read Faust

Advice for all cryptos. Stop with all the tech crap and start building proper tools for the general public to use. The killer crypto app will be the app that the public start downloading and using (yes, I'm stating the obvious). They will not have ANY INTEREST in the tech behind it as long as it works.

As long as we keep comparing dick sizes in terms of tech we will remain in this forum posting nonsense and arguing amongst ourselves.

Lol, I'm glad you can speak for the "general public" it must be nice to have this type of access. Your post reminds me of kids that argue their harware is the best because they paid more for it or it's not a POS because theirs didn't break yet.

If you don't understand why the human race needs financial freedom from tyranny then you are either a lost cause/uneducated or just plain stupid.

AFA the OP's question, these projects are not even comparable.

[StinkyLover]

If you don't understand why the human race needs financial freedom from tyranny then you are either a lost cause/uneducated or just plain stupid.

And if you don't understand that the human race needs better financial tools than the geek stuff we're trying to foist upon them right now, then you are destined to remain forever posting on this forum (what's the next level after "Legendary"?)

[mandica]

...I would also consider our project Spectrecoin as this represent another strand or anonymity w/ ring signatures ala. Monero and dual key stealth addresses. This means that there is no link between the sender and receiver. In addition to all this there is the aspect of hiding your IP through Tor or I2P. I know that we will have Tor integrated so that Spectrecoin can only be run under Tor and you will not need any additional software and always be secure. Monero will soon implement I2P. So my ranking would discard Zcash and DASH and out of the three focus on Monero. However, we (Spectre) will also become a contender as we have intentions of rolling out some Android infrastructure that will be used for cash transfer.

Happy New Year all...

20,000,000 SPEC has been created in a 'genesis transaction' and 95% of the SPEC supply will be offered as an investment opportunity to the public up until 08/01/2017.

So who is holding this in escrow? Also why would you choose shadowcrap code to fork? It's already been proven unreliable by Shen when he had to reveal the entire "hidden" blockchain before the Shadowcrap devs would admit there code was bad.

...If we were to compare Dash with Monero and Zcash then not only are Monero and Zcash less decentralized in its governance system
but they also only focus on one aspect, which is the private aspect. Dash has much more to offer then just private transactions.

This is patently false. Actually masternodes make Dash on the most centralized chain there is. And it's governance is wholly controlled.

XMR has had more contributors than any coin I know of Sans BTC.

Anonymity is NOT wanted by the general public (but this industry will NEVER listen). Using it as a USP for a crypto is just tightening the noose around it's neck.

Monero will not emerge from darkweb usage and the more anonymous it becomes the more underground it will be driven. Soon Monero will be seen as another drug crypto. BTC is moving away from that but Monero's soul has been bought and it's become the anonymous BTC replacement for nefarious activities via AlphaPay. In return, Monero holders can now claim "real world usage" and lots of bagholder profits.

Read Faust

Advice for all cryptos. Stop with all the tech crap and start building proper tools for the general public to use. The killer crypto app will be the app that the public start downloading and using (yes, I'm stating the obvious). They will not have ANY INTEREST in the tech behind it as long as it works.

As long as we keep comparing dick sizes in terms of tech we will remain in this forum posting nonsense and arguing amongst ourselves.

Lol, I'm glad you can speak for the "general public" it must be nice to have this type of access. Your post reminds me of kids that argue their harware is the best because they paid more for it or it's not a POS because theirs didn't break yet.

If you don't understand why the human race needs financial freedom from tyranny then you are either a lost cause/uneducated or just plain stupid.

AFA the OP's question, these projects are not even comparable.

We are using OgNasty as escrow for the ICO. The SDC code is good and the issue you talk about with the ring signatures has been resolved in Feb 2016 and our code do not have this issue. The SDC code was chosen as it suits our ulterior purpose. SDC and hence SPEC are underrated in the anonymous game as XMR gets all the attention. There is no issue with adoption of anonymous coins. We have set up the ICO so that you can buy completely anonymously if you wish and pay with Monero or SDC or whatever you want and we do not ask for any personal information so you can buy SPEC without leaving any personal info. If you want to trade later on use Bitsquare as we are planning to integrate with.

[Spoetnik]

@BitWhale

I have never said ANON coins do not have a "Small place"
I admit they do.. effectively what boils down to a niche market.

And when you have that ? You will not have global major world wide general user adoption.

You guys simply can not defend your anon coin by claiming "niche market"
Then rambling on about global adoption right afterwards.
You are in fact contradicting yourself.

You guys pushing ANON coins imply that if Monero Dark Market usage takes off..
Then later we will see major world wide adoption.
That is simply fucking retarded.

Your defending them is often proving my central point i have been making for years.
There is a provable need for Dark market niche usage ?
EXACTLY !
I agree..
And guess what ?
You are proving my damn point about global adoption LOL

Every person i ever talked to on the street had a horrible view of Bitcoin itself.
The vast majority said something along the lines of BTC ? Yeah that online drugs & guns criminal currency thing.
They all have a perception of it that is stained and gets worse in time.
Now we have GOX and Ransomware and much more to add to that.
Then factor in the financial analysts from the pre-existing financial world who ALREADY were saying BTC is a ponzi since day one..
Google Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme and see what they say.. you may learn something. LOL
I did and was surprised to see they have some good points actually.

HEAD IN SAND.
..ignoring the context and reality of the situation.
Pushing a focused tunnel vision aspect of an "Alt" coin
And don't forget guys ..these are in fact "Altcoins"
The most you can claim is... "one day"

And that is what i am challenging boys & girls.
Not that you can not achieve a niche cult following pandering to the worlds worst criminals while simultaneously attracting the largest govt's to hunt you down like NSA food.. and DAO hackers LOL

I have a point and a damn good one.
You all usually ignore me because you can not refute what i am saying.
The best you can do is cause a diversion with focusing on about arguing about meaningless bullshit.

Off hand the one i would choose is the one i heard about pushing some compliance.. DASH.
If i was an "investor" i would be thinking ahead.
I suggest you all start doing that too.
By all means come to your own conclusion but please do look at the bigger picture from all angles guys.

Zoom out and try and see the larger context / perspective of it all !

[generalizethis]

Have the dumb penguin on mute, but if he blasts monero and zcash, while oddly being mum on dash, you can make an educated guess that he is shilling for them, or at least paid to keep his mouth shut. I wrote on the forum the other day that he had offered his FUD services many months ago to who will ever pay for them, now we see if there's proof.

(could just unblock and check, but it ruins the surprise)

[BitWhale]

@BitWhale

I have never said ANON coins do not have a "Small place"
I admit they do.. effectively what boils down to a niche market.

And when you have that ? You will not have global major world wide general user adoption.

You guys simply can not defend your anon coin by claiming "niche market"
Then rambling on about global adoption right afterwards.
You are in fact contradicting yourself.

You guys pushing ANON coins imply that if Monero Dark Market usage takes off..
Then later we will see major world wide adoption.
That is simply fucking retarded.

Your defending them is often proving my central point i have been making for years.
There is a provable need for Dark market niche usage ?
EXACTLY !
I agree..
And guess what ?
You are proving my damn point about global adoption LOL

Every person i ever talked to on the street had a horrible view of Bitcoin itself.
The vast majority said something along the lines of BTC ? Yeah that online drugs & guns criminal currency thing.
They all have a perception of it that is stained and gets worse in time.
Now we have GOX and Ransomware and much more to add to that.
Then factor in the financial analysts from the pre-existing financial world who ALREADY were saying BTC is a ponzi since day one..
Google Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme and see what they say.. you may learn something. LOL
I did and was surprised to see they have some good points actually.

HEAD IN SAND.
..ignoring the context and reality of the situation.
Pushing a focused tunnel vision aspect of an "Alt" coin
And don't forget guys ..these are in fact "Altcoins"
The most you can claim is... "one day"

And that is what i am challenging boys & girls.
Not that you can not achieve a niche cult following pandering to the worlds worst criminals while simultaneously attracting the largest govt's to hunt you down like NSA food.. and DAO hackers LOL

I have a point and a damn good one.
You all usually ignore me because you can not refute what i am saying.
The best you can do is cause a diversion with focusing on about arguing about meaningless bullshit.

Off hand the one i would choose is the one i heard about pushing some compliance.. DASH.
If i was an "investor" i would be thinking ahead.
I suggest you all start doing that too.
By all means come to your own conclusion but please do look at the bigger picture from all angles guys.

Zoom out and try and see the larger context / perspective of it all !

Well My question to you would be how can we fix it instead of rambling on like a raving idiot. Not once in there did you mention how we can fix any of that... and NO I'm not going to read your previous threads to learn "how you already said it many times", I don't find what you say all that important, so why the fuck would I take the time to do that. All you do is belittle, yet you wonder why no one gives you the time of day lol. I have googled bitcoin, many times, I google bitcoin at least once a day since nearly mid 2011. You act like there can only be ONE coin and that ONE coin has to fill every single hole in humanity. I never said that Dash, Zcash or Monero were headed towards main stream adoption, i literally said exactly what you said, if oyu had bother to read, that they fill a fuckin' niche market, you egotistical numbskull.

You are so busy trying to drive your point home you don't even read the posts anymore, you just click reply and regurgitate the same bullshit over and over and let me tell you, it's not effective. I can't tell you how many times I just go straight over what you say because I'm not in the mood for 16 year old mentality that day. You might have a decent opinion, but your delivery is shit... Take it as constructive criticism if you are actually serious about wondering why no one pays attention to what you say. Your grandious attitude screams 'I have an inferiority complex so I must compensate by acting like I know everything' when in reality everyone can see through that shit from a mile away.

I literally agreed with you and you still tried to shit on me. Grow up you fuckin' twat.

Listening to you go on about caring about bitcoin's public opinion is fuckin' cringeworthy speaking being that you show up on nearly 80% of the threads on here spewing extremely immature anarcho-garbage with the rage of a jihadi. The mainstream wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot poll.

I've put you on mute. Funny because we have alot of the same views, it's a shame you are too immature to voice them in a manner that's actually worth discussing, instead of letting your insecurities & ego get in the way of a friendly discussion about cryptocurrency. Fuckin' tryhard.

[BitWhale]

Have the dumb penguin on mute, but if he blasts monero and zcash, while oddly being mum on dash, you can make an educated guess that he is shilling for them, or at least paid to keep his mouth shut. I wrote on the forum the other day that he had offered his FUD services many months ago to who will ever pay for them, now we see if there's proof.

(could just unblock and check, but it ruins the surprise)

I don't blame you dude, lol I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet for acting like such a twat. If MPOE was banned for trolling, how the hell is this dude still around invading every single thread in existence.

[blg42598]

Cloak deserves to be in this discussion. The tech is amazing.

[BitWhale]

Cloak deserves to be in this discussion. The tech is amazing.

I've heard of cloak, tbh I'll go read more on it now so I learn about it. Where would you rank it?