Interest thread for Eliovp linux build for pandaminer

[Longsnowsm]

Im interested but every other miner on the market is pretty much plug and play or cgminer why would any one spend over 2000 for a miner than you cant read the software than have to pay to get the software when the company who's building and selling these should ship it with a supported os

Sadly you can run the Pandaminer as is from the manufacturer.  An illegal copy of Windows, some copies of Claymore, and you are off and running.  However if you want optimized ROM's for the GPU's to get every ounce of performance out of them, some optimizations for an OS that isn't illegal, and possible future enhancements to make this "ASIC miner" simple... If the latter interests you then we should support our community and get the miner we want.  

There is a reason that people use Claymore's miners for example.  If you are sick and tired of downloading mining software, attempting to build it, only to find it needs this, then that, and the other thing.  Oh, you need to tweak this, configure that...  Oh, modify this while you are at it....  Oh and then pray to the miner gods that you finally have it all together....  Then still spend a significant amount of time tweaking it.  Well this is why people use Claymore's miner and pay him his fee.  Simple, out of the box it works.  You extract it, and run it.  The hardest part is just figuring out the 5 million switches and options for the command line! LOL  Better yet, because of the regular source of funding Claymore can work on this full time and his miners are some of the fastest because of it.  Sadly he does not support Linux very well.  So the benefits should be obvious to anyone who mines that funding is making things happen for miners.    

So nobody is forcing anyone to contribute to an effort like this.  If you want a faster, cooler, more power efficient PM that likely will be easier to manage when it is all said and done then jump on board and help get it done.    

[FFI2013]

Im interested but every other miner on the market is pretty much plug and play or cgminer why would any one spend over 2000 for a miner than you cant read the software than have to pay to get the software when the company who's building and selling these should ship it with a supported os

Sadly you can run the Pandaminer as is from the manufacturer.  An illegal copy of Windows, some copies of Claymore, and you are off and running.  However if you want optimized ROM's for the GPU's to get every ounce of performance out of them, some optimizations for an OS that isn't illegal, and possible future enhancements to make this "ASIC miner" simple... If the latter interests you then we should support our community and get the miner we want.  

There is a reason that people use Claymore's miners for example.  If you are sick and tired of downloading mining software, attempting to build it, only to find it needs this, then that, and the other thing.  Oh, you need to tweak this, configure that...  Oh, modify this while you are at it....  Oh and then pray to the miner gods that you finally have it all together....  Then still spend a significant amount of time tweaking it.  Well this is why people use Claymore's miner and pay him his fee.  Simple, out of the box it works.  You extract it, and run it.  The hardest part is just figuring out the 5 million switches and options for the command line! LOL  Better yet, because of the regular source of funding Claymore can work on this full time and his miners are some of the fastest because of it.  Sadly he does not support Linux very well.  So the benefits should be obvious to anyone who mines that funding is making things happen for miners.    

So nobody is forcing anyone to contribute to an effort like this.  If you want a faster, cooler, more power efficient PM that likely will be easier to manage when it is all said and done then jump on board and help get it done.    

Im on board and wanted to get one and what you said makes perfect sense maybe there could be a group buy with no os from panda to save a few dollars and pick option A or B from op

[Longsnowsm]

Sadly I don''t think we would save anything since it appears that PM didn't pay anything for the OS, the drivers, or the miner software.  So essentially we are already getting it without the OS! LOL

The answer might be what Phil suggested about maybe setting up a group buy to get a discount.  That might help drive the cost down a little and help PM build some good will here on the forum.  

These companies have got to recognize the value these forums bring to them.  You build a good rep in a place like this and your future can be bright.  You burn bridges in a place like this then the word of mouth travels fast.

[LoneRangir]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

[citronick]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

[LoneRangir]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

Their site seems down?

[TheRider]

Genuinely interested, though I have a few thoughts.

To understand the value of pre-built pre-configured Linux image, one needs to understand how much work is required to get one up and running. I would like to suggest that Eliovp do a simple write-up explaining the difficulties he encountered in getting a Linux OS up and running. A tutorial would be ideal, but it's probably too ambitious to ask for one during this donation round. Moreover, since you're doing a donation round to build a custom Linux image for the Pandaminer, I'd like to suggest that you may as well go the extra mile and build it to a level which turns the Pandaminer into a plug & play appliance. It should gather more steem.

As for the ROMs, I understand VDCC offset / undervolt / overclock stability is very much dependent on the ASIC quality of the 480 chips in the miner.

Questions to Eliovp:
1. How can you guarantee that your ROMs will be stable on any Pandaminer, without knowing what the actual ASIC quality is on them?
2. How do you plan to get the ROMs updated on the GPUs? Automatically by means of a script that runs the first time your Linux OS is loaded? Or manually by providing a tutorial to people who get the full bundle?
3. What fallback options do you have in mind in case of bricked GPUs?
4. Do you also plan to built a miner management interface (maybe web-based) and include it in your Linux build?

[citronick]

I would possibly be interested in a group buy.  Put me down as a solid maybe.

Do they take BTC, or credit only?

I paid mine in BTC

Their site seems down?

I paid mine in BTC via email.

I told them that their website is confusing for international buyers because of the language etc.

Their Chinese web may well be perfect for local domestic ordering but I got confused with the Google translation fast...

So they did me a favor and got the transaction done in email - very fast very well done.

And the guys that did my order and replied my other questions had good written English, so kudos to Panda team.

If I was to advise them.... I will hire a team of International Sales team like Bitmain, Canaan, Innosilicon.... just my 2 cents.

My contacts in China told me that this Pandaminer is getting tons of attention in local market due to recent super coins like XMR and ZEC.

To be fair, I think Panda needs to capture that market fast - first priority.

And let a separate sales and marketing team to do International sales.

[LoneRangir]

Sorry, this may be slightly more tangential for this thread....

The RX 500 series will be out later this half, most likely May or June.  The information I read is that the efficiency is supposed to be quite good.  I'm curious to see the price and throughput of these "next gen" cards.  This next card release gives me pause on buying a Panda based off of RX400s.  I understand that HBM2-based Vega cards will be prolly 250/300W cards. 

[Eliovp]

Genuinely interested, though I have a few thoughts.

To understand the value of pre-built pre-configured Linux image, one needs to understand how much work is required to get one up and running. I would like to suggest that Eliovp do a simple write-up explaining the difficulties he encountered in getting a Linux OS up and running. A tutorial would be ideal, but it's probably too ambitious to ask for one during this donation round. Moreover, since you're doing a donation round to build a custom Linux image for the Pandaminer, I'd like to suggest that you may as well go the extra mile and build it to a level which turns the Pandaminer into a plug & play appliance. It should gather more steem.

As for the ROMs, I understand VDCC offset / undervolt / overclock stability is very much dependent on the ASIC quality of the 480 chips in the miner.

Questions to Eliovp:
1. How can you guarantee that your ROMs will be stable on any Pandaminer, without knowing what the actual ASIC quality is on them?
2. How do you plan to get the ROMs updated on the GPUs? Automatically by means of a script that runs the first time your Linux OS is loaded? Or manually by providing a tutorial to people who get the full bundle?
3. What fallback options do you have in mind in case of bricked GPUs?
4. Do you also plan to built a miner management interface (maybe web-based) and include it in your Linux build?

Hey TheRider,

Sure thing. Obviously i'm not going to write a tutorial here or write down the steps i had to take to be able to have my setup like i have it right now. It's like you said yourself, the purpose of those thread would be kind of pointless.

You said to go the extra mile and make this plug & play. Well, i already have. It is plug and play. As i've mentioned before, what i've done would be ideal for big farms, they could just place them, plug them in and sit back and relax.

Romwise, yes, you have a point, but that's the thing, assuming the gpu's they deliver with the PM are all the same, i added a global vddc offset, so in other words, the voltage controller will still calculate what the gpu needs "volt wise". The only difference is that it starts calculating from a lower starting point. I didn't drop the power to hard just to be sure that it remains stable (-31mV).
And so far so good, after a week, still rock solid.


1. I don't need to know the asic quality, i'm pretty sure they will remain stable. And if you do happen to have one that can't handle it (which i highly doubt) just send me a pm with the original rom (so i know you have one) and i will change it.
2. Good question. Second question here will probably be the answer. I can automate this without the chance of bricking them. Trust me, i can .
3. The only way "in this case" to brick them is if someone would flash a faulthy rom or completely different one. If you stick with the one i offer, this won't happen.
4. Yes.

Sorry, this may be slightly more tangential for this thread....

The RX 500 series will be out later this half, most likely May or June.  The information I read is that the efficiency is supposed to be quite good.  I'm curious to see the price and throughput of these "next gen" cards.  This next card release gives me pause on buying a Panda based off of RX400s.  I understand that HBM2-based Vega cards will be prolly 250/300W cards. 

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!


Greetings.

[zoggie]

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!

This is where a PC is more modular and cost savings come into play if the cards are NOT upgradable. Perhaps the manufacturers could comment on the ability to upgrade the cards.

[Eliovp]

New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!

This is where a PC is more modular and cost savings come into play if the cards are NOT upgradable. Perhaps the manufacturers could comment on the ability to upgrade the cards.

You can compare this somehow with "antminers", you buy them, you plug them in and let them run and shout.
After a while they get old, you can't replace them, like you can with "single" gpu's. You can however replace them by buying new ones..

That's where the pandaminer story is a bit better.
It will last longer as you will always be able to mine other algo's, no you probably won't be the fastest after a while but you will be able to be profitable none the less.

The bigger difference is the fact that you might be able to upgrade those mx cards (not yet totally clear, but there is a chance..)


The only fact i do completely agree on is the resale value of regular GPU's, which is a lot better

[exciter0]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.

ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.

Ok, i might have just not been clear enough.

This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online.

It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms...  


You shouldn't be so negative.

I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous


Greetings!


Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either..

[Eliovp]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

[Eliovp]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

[philipma1957]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

let me know when you have it.

my new 64gb msata arrives today

[citronick]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

fantastic!

So when?

My Panda doesnt like Windows.

[fuzion1]

I would be interested if the price is reseonable. I am going to be buying some panda miners soon.

[felix73]

I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller.  If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver... 
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....

You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems..

I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind


Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well.


Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not....
This is much more than that.

Greetings

Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one .

So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work.
No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work

I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer.
Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax

Greetings!

I'm just ready to make a donation
But I need a completely friendly system

[felix73]

Hello!
how to enter the BIOS boot pandaminer?
that would put the switch on when power on ?



enter the BIOS  pandaminer
when you push the start button
Hold on delete key