FasTroy
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January 27, 2017, 03:25:48 PM |
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Can we sort the bitcoin addresses according to their BTC value? Which bitcoin address has the most BTC? As far as I know, all transactions are already recorded. Then I think we can sort these addresses by their BTC value. Any ideas on this?
I think this address has the most BTC: 3Kg7Cmooris7cLErTsijq6qR1FH3cTiK2G Really a very large fortune circulating, no, i think a huge fortune. Maybe it's Mafia or a big campaign.
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burner2014
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January 27, 2017, 03:31:30 PM |
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It is not possible that Satoshi holds the most number of bitcoin but I believe that he does have many bitcoin address, also the signature campaigns are one of those since they are using bitcoin as payment and for their business, if I am not mistaken China also holds a large number of bitcoin since they do own large mining company.
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coin revolution (OP)
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January 27, 2017, 04:15:47 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition? I didn't mean actually a matrix of x by y addresses, just tried to demonstrate there are a lot of addresses uses the same paths so it'll be very hard to trace back a single transaction. And I guess they add some dummy transactions just to make it harder. Anyway, if you know someone who can figure out the origin of a specific transaction let me know We can think of a solution by knowing what mathematical rule the mixing process is based on. There are advanced math programs. For example MatLab Do you know the algorithms used by the mixer sites?
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hajimasan
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January 27, 2017, 04:35:48 PM |
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I think this is not possible to look about millions of bitcoin address. But it's probably possible by doing automatic coding to to do the tasks automatically by our system. I am curious to make such programs
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sir.humus
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January 27, 2017, 10:52:32 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition? I didn't mean actually a matrix of x by y addresses, just tried to demonstrate there are a lot of addresses uses the same paths so it'll be very hard to trace back a single transaction. And I guess they add some dummy transactions just to make it harder. Anyway, if you know someone who can figure out the origin of a specific transaction let me know We can think of a solution by knowing what mathematical rule the mixing process is based on. There are advanced math programs. For example MatLab Do you know the algorithms used by the mixer sites? I'm actually pretty good with MATLAB scripts, working on it on my work. Maybe I'll try to code something to figure it out, but I'll need some references. I'll do some transactions myself and then use this knowledge to trace it back. Then I'll try to trace others' transactions.
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RussiaIsBest
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January 27, 2017, 10:56:59 PM |
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Woow we can see which wallet have the most bitcoins that is really perfect for everybody because we can see that miracle which soembody did.Woow so many bitcoins he have on bitcoin wallet wow i cant beleive.
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Omega Weapon
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January 27, 2017, 11:10:50 PM |
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Can we never know who this address belongs to? Is it impossible to find the addressee's identity? And why do you want to know that? Knowing the addresses with the most bitcoin may be relevant as a trivia or something but we don't need to know the identities of those holding those coins, I don't see a single reason for that information to be relevant.
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ufaiz50
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January 27, 2017, 11:47:39 PM |
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Can we never know who this address belongs to? Is it impossible to find the addressee's identity? bitcoin has the advantage one of which control and security - bitcoin users are in full control of their transactions; it is impossible for merchants to force unwanted or unnoticed charges as can happen with other payment methods. bitcoin payments can be made without personal information tied to the transaction. this offers strong protection against identity theft. bitcoin users can also protect their money with backup and encryption.
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CraigWrightBTC
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January 29, 2017, 06:15:12 AM |
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Why should this be important?
Knowing this is not really important, it won't change anything and we have no idea who is behind that big address. But it is hell of a fun to watch people speculate who might be owning so many BTC. Yes i agree with you and it will be dangerous for bitcoin's price because sometime they can do dumping bitcoins on the markets, we can guess many people losing value of money if it happens and we can not make prediction it will happening.
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noormcs5
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January 29, 2017, 06:49:30 AM |
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Can we sort the bitcoin addresses according to their BTC value? Which bitcoin address has the most BTC? As far as I know, all transactions are already recorded. Then I think we can sort these addresses by their BTC value. Any ideas on this?
I think this address has the most BTC: 3Kg7Cmooris7cLErTsijq6qR1FH3cTiK2G Really a very large fortune circulating, no, i think a huge fortune. Maybe it's Mafia or a big campaign. I see this address 3Kg7Cmooris7cLErTsijq6qR1FH3cTiK2G has received 158,000 Btc. The amount is big but not so big that i can claim it to be the highest BTC address. Anyways, it really does not matter which addy had high bitcoins unless one of those addy belongs to me.
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coin revolution (OP)
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January 29, 2017, 07:59:46 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition? I didn't mean actually a matrix of x by y addresses, just tried to demonstrate there are a lot of addresses uses the same paths so it'll be very hard to trace back a single transaction. And I guess they add some dummy transactions just to make it harder. Anyway, if you know someone who can figure out the origin of a specific transaction let me know We can think of a solution by knowing what mathematical rule the mixing process is based on. There are advanced math programs. For example MatLab Do you know the algorithms used by the mixer sites? I'm actually pretty good with MATLAB scripts, working on it on my work. Maybe I'll try to code something to figure it out, but I'll need some references. I'll do some transactions myself and then use this knowledge to trace it back. Then I'll try to trace others' transactions. Before you do this, you need to know the algorithms that mixers use. As far as I know, no mixer sites not share source code.
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sir.humus
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January 29, 2017, 08:18:11 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition? I didn't mean actually a matrix of x by y addresses, just tried to demonstrate there are a lot of addresses uses the same paths so it'll be very hard to trace back a single transaction. And I guess they add some dummy transactions just to make it harder. Anyway, if you know someone who can figure out the origin of a specific transaction let me know We can think of a solution by knowing what mathematical rule the mixing process is based on. There are advanced math programs. For example MatLab Do you know the algorithms used by the mixer sites? I'm actually pretty good with MATLAB scripts, working on it on my work. Maybe I'll try to code something to figure it out, but I'll need some references. I'll do some transactions myself and then use this knowledge to trace it back. Then I'll try to trace others' transactions. Before you do this, you need to know the algorithms that mixers use. As far as I know, no mixer sites not share source code. But if I don't know the algorithm I still can try to figure it out by examples. If I use their service I can track my own money, and I can learn from that how they work. Of course they can change something once in couple of days and then my work is useless.
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mrkevio
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January 29, 2017, 08:31:22 PM |
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There is a list called the "Rich List" which has the top 100 richest Bitcoin addresses in the world, and here is the richest one from that list: https://blockchain.info/address/1JCe8z4jJVNXSjohjM4i9Hh813dLCNx2Sy. It's unbelievable how much money this account has and it is supposed that this account is owned by Satoshi Nakamoto, but I don't think anyone really knows.
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lambofan
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January 29, 2017, 10:52:14 PM |
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Why should this be important?
Knowing this is not really important, it won't change anything and we have no idea who is behind that big address. But it is hell of a fun to watch people speculate who might be owning so many BTC. Yes i agree with you and it will be dangerous for bitcoin's price because sometime they can do dumping bitcoins on the markets, we can guess many people losing value of money if it happens and we can not make prediction it will happening. I do not think they would have already done it, I mean about dump BTC, even if they did, many people would pick up quickly, counteract its effect in a short time.
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Yakamoto
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January 29, 2017, 11:07:18 PM |
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I would assume that one of Satoshi's old addresses that he no longer uses is the one with the most Bitcoin, especially since it's rumored he has a million or so BTC stored from when the network was just getting started and he had to help everyone else get it propagating.
I don't know for sure though, I'm sure some people would have posted them.
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HabBear
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January 30, 2017, 12:57:31 AM |
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Wishful thinking but probably not Satoshi's. The last deposit was within the last week. It's probably the wallet for a business - BTC investment fund, 21.co, Chinese miner, something like that. The last deposit was 33,000 BTC! That's a lot of scratch though...damn, to have that much coin! Can we never know who this address belongs to? Is it impossible to find the addressee's identity? It is probably Satoshis personal wallet.
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