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March 09, 2017, 04:03:03 AM |
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But if we consider gambling just a luck game (98% luck game), any strategy will lead us to the bankrrupcy, no?
Martingale or any other method you use to bet, sooner or later you will lose your balance, on long term it's impossible to beat the house. Sometimes one or another gambler claims to win on long term, but I'm not really sure about this.
The fact is you cannot measure your luck and you cannot even determine when it will stay when you feel you are lucky, when luck comes to us we should know that it's only temporary and that is why sometimes we win if we are discipline too. Martingale is a from of bankroll management and like any other forms, it will not help you to win but your ability to select games and predict it right most of the time will. you don't need to measure your luck to be able to win. you just need to be lucky and have luck on your side. and in martingale system you can never have luck on your side because you are playing against the house with a house edge and that means the edge is giving your luck to the house instead and makes them win specially in the long run. That's it, so it's not good to be greedy in gambling especially when you do not have the edge, actually that method is not fun anymore because most gamblers who use that in dice has experience their bankroll being wipe even in a short period of time. If we want to have fun, flat betting is fine with your luck you can still win as much as you want if you push your luck and still that luck is in you.
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March 09, 2017, 07:10:31 AM |
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i know most of us knew about martingale and we do use that in order to gain profits but we also aware that this same system is not safe in a long term period as we will be caught out of the blue and our winning streak will start to change up, do you have any settings of strategy to make it much worthy to use? So for me, I believe in order to make a martingle system work you need to have a huge starting bankroll. It will not work if you have a small bankroll because once it hit a loss it will eventually loose all your winnings and your starting money. Share it here if you have something there ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I do agreed that using martingale is very much effective but in return there is also risk involved by using it. Once you are wining in the game it just a twinkle of an eye your winning amount can be like a bubbles disappear at once.
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March 09, 2017, 12:35:45 PM |
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But if we consider gambling just a luck game (98% luck game), any strategy will lead us to the bankrrupcy, no?
Martingale or any other method you use to bet, sooner or later you will lose your balance, on long term it's impossible to beat the house. Sometimes one or another gambler claims to win on long term, but I'm not really sure about this.
The fact is you cannot measure your luck and you cannot even determine when it will stay when you feel you are lucky, when luck comes to us we should know that it's only temporary and that is why sometimes we win if we are discipline too. Martingale is a from of bankroll management and like any other forms, it will not help you to win but your ability to select games and predict it right most of the time will. you don't need to measure your luck to be able to win. you just need to be lucky and have luck on your side. and in martingale system you can never have luck on your side because you are playing against the house with a house edge and that means the edge is giving your luck to the house instead and makes them win specially in the long run. i don't get it , what do you mean about the edge is giving your luck to the house? it's clearly luck just an illusion that can't proven it's existence it's just my opinion by the way, and also pretty clear that martingale have been studied would never work with the limited bankroll , it's means there's no way you can get profit with this martingale betting system.
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March 09, 2017, 01:58:10 PM |
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Don’t try this, I know that this method used to work a long time ago but not anymore, many casinos have discovered this and they have implemented a system that counters it, I have tried multiple time and in multiple online casinos and each time you lose and double that they make you lose on purpose, if this was a thing all casinos would be losing and we all would be rich.
Many casinos have discovered but not all? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) So you are saying almost every casino is rigged? Is casino in your signature rigged too? Yes, it is happening with both automated dicing and manual dicing. I just wonder how one gambling site is coded to detect whether we are playing for shorter time or longer time. Anyway martingale never worked for me too.
Listen, this method is very old, older than internet and gambling sites. It is proven fail on coin flip and casino doesn't have to detect anything, it's just math and probability.
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March 09, 2017, 02:06:44 PM |
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But if we consider gambling just a luck game (98% luck game), any strategy will lead us to the bankrrupcy, no?
Martingale or any other method you use to bet, sooner or later you will lose your balance, on long term it's impossible to beat the house. Sometimes one or another gambler claims to win on long term, but I'm not really sure about this.
The fact is you cannot measure your luck and you cannot even determine when it will stay when you feel you are lucky, when luck comes to us we should know that it's only temporary and that is why sometimes we win if we are discipline too. Martingale is a from of bankroll management and like any other forms, it will not help you to win but your ability to select games and predict it right most of the time will. you don't need to measure your luck to be able to win. you just need to be lucky and have luck on your side. and in martingale system you can never have luck on your side because you are playing against the house with a house edge and that means the edge is giving your luck to the house instead and makes them win specially in the long run. i don't get it , what do you mean about the edge is giving your luck to the house? it's clearly luck just an illusion that can't proven it's existence it's just my opinion by the way, and also pretty clear that martingale have been studied would never work with the limited bankroll , it's means there's no way you can get profit with this martingale betting system. with a huge bankroll and patience to keep it little even you are tempted to try much bigger stake will allow you to extend your chances to earn some profits, but like what many said its luck that will make you a huge one, and most of the time even you really try it hard martingale will still fails you if you dont know when to stop.
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March 09, 2017, 02:12:49 PM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
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March 09, 2017, 03:30:37 PM |
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I know how it is hard to make profits in gambling, we are willing to try everything, ways that can help us to win and there is no wrong in hoping. For me, having a big bank roll is required if you really want to play in a long run and make some profits whatever happens. This system can work but not as always.
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March 10, 2017, 02:28:35 AM |
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I think to win using martingale system is when you already earn profit 50% of your balance. When your bankroll is 0.01, then when your balance is 0.015 then you should withdraw it already and stop playing for that day. You should let past that day or transfer to a different site using the same strategy. But from my experiences it doesn't work always as we all know gambling is really based on luck no matter what strategy we use.
Hitting a particular target when it comes to profits make sense only if you have a method that can guarantee profits in the long run, when the best you can do is to just slow down the rate at which you lose then having a target profit does not make a lot of sense.
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March 10, 2017, 04:15:42 AM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
Yeah, everyone cannot be successful through martingale strategy. One who holds big bankroll can be successful. But even the one holding big bankroll doesn't get the guarantee of winning. It has got increased probability of retaining the loss and not earn high.
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March 10, 2017, 04:28:37 AM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
Yeah, everyone cannot be successful through martingale strategy. One who holds big bankroll can be successful. But even the one holding big bankroll doesn't get the guarantee of winning. It has got increased probability of retaining the loss and not earn high. Only the big bankroll will not help you to win in martingale system, and you need time sense, you need to know when to stop then only this martingale system will work. If you blindly use this method, it will make your wallet empty. And this is a very dangerous method within few minutes you will lose your money. So be careful while using this method.
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March 10, 2017, 04:32:12 AM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
Yeah, everyone cannot be successful through martingale strategy. One who holds big bankroll can be successful. But even the one holding big bankroll doesn't get the guarantee of winning. It has got increased probability of retaining the loss and not earn high. Only the big bankroll will not help you to win in martingale system, and you need time sense, you need to know when to stop then only this martingale system will work. If you blindly use this method, it will make your wallet empty. And this is a very dangerous method within few minutes you will lose your money. So be careful while using this method. Knowing on when to stop is the hardest thing when you do play martingale method since there are intances which you would be fooled by winnings and would urge the feeling that you can still able to make profits even on more time but in reality on martingale sudden lose will always come out instantly.
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March 10, 2017, 05:23:34 AM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
Yeah, everyone cannot be successful through martingale strategy. One who holds big bankroll can be successful. But even the one holding big bankroll doesn't get the guarantee of winning. It has got increased probability of retaining the loss and not earn high. Only the big bankroll will not help you to win in martingale system, and you need time sense, you need to know when to stop then only this martingale system will work. If you blindly use this method, it will make your wallet empty. And this is a very dangerous method within few minutes you will lose your money. So be careful while using this method. Knowing on when to stop is the hardest thing when you do play martingale method since there are intances which you would be fooled by winnings and would urge the feeling that you can still able to make profits even on more time but in reality on martingale sudden lose will always come out instantly. There should be a method that you need to employ in order for you to stop at the right time, stopping in winning is the hardest because you can easily stop when your bankroll is wipe out in the event you lose. Martingale method is very risky, hence it is necessary for a gamble who will use this to have a discipline and always focus on the game plan.
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March 11, 2017, 02:00:24 AM |
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But if we consider gambling just a luck game (98% luck game), any strategy will lead us to the bankrrupcy, no?
Martingale or any other method you use to bet, sooner or later you will lose your balance, on long term it's impossible to beat the house. Sometimes one or another gambler claims to win on long term, but I'm not really sure about this.
The fact is you cannot measure your luck and you cannot even determine when it will stay when you feel you are lucky, when luck comes to us we should know that it's only temporary and that is why sometimes we win if we are discipline too. Martingale is a from of bankroll management and like any other forms, it will not help you to win but your ability to select games and predict it right most of the time will. We cannot know what will happen in a particular rolling of a dice but we can know the probabilities of it beforehand if you have a basic grasp of math and probabilities, if you do the math you will realize that in every game the casino has given itself an edge which basically guarantees you are going to lose.
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March 11, 2017, 02:51:18 AM |
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Martingale seems to be effective for me from the early days of my entire gambling days. But right now, I don't have guarantee on this strategy. I prefer to not to depend now on any strategy like this one. And OP is right, this is just applicable for those people who can avail to have huge bankroll so this is just good for rich gamblers.
Yeah, everyone cannot be successful through martingale strategy. One who holds big bankroll can be successful. But even the one holding big bankroll doesn't get the guarantee of winning. It has got increased probability of retaining the loss and not earn high. Only the big bankroll will not help you to win in martingale system, and you need time sense, you need to know when to stop then only this martingale system will work. If you blindly use this method, it will make your wallet empty. And this is a very dangerous method within few minutes you will lose your money. So be careful while using this method. Knowing on when to stop is the hardest thing when you do play martingale method since there are intances which you would be fooled by winnings and would urge the feeling that you can still able to make profits even on more time but in reality on martingale sudden lose will always come out instantly. There should be a method that you need to employ in order for you to stop at the right time, stopping in winning is the hardest because you can easily stop when your bankroll is wipe out in the event you lose. Martingale method is very risky, hence it is necessary for a gamble who will use this to have a discipline and always focus on the game plan. When you have a bigger bankroll then it is quite hard to stop while losing until you finish your bankroll because people are greedy. So it is always good to gamble only with a smaller and fixed amount of deposit then we no need to worry much about when to stop. Because even though you lose your bankroll it is a small amount and you can enjoy the game fully.
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March 11, 2017, 04:39:58 AM |
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I know how it is hard to make profits in gambling, we are willing to try everything, ways that can help us to win and there is no wrong in hoping. For me, having a big bank roll is required if you really want to play in a long run and make some profits whatever happens. This system can work but not as always.
It's a question of willingness mate, if you are really willing to raise a big bankroll that is possible as there are many ways to make it. The question is, are you confident enough that your skills will bring your a good amount of profit? That can be answered by tracking your previous records and if you have a good winning rate, that can give you a chance but not guaranteed.
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March 11, 2017, 06:05:46 AM |
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I know how it is hard to make profits in gambling, we are willing to try everything, ways that can help us to win and there is no wrong in hoping. For me, having a big bank roll is required if you really want to play in a long run and make some profits whatever happens. This system can work but not as always.
It's for real, we know that there are a lot of ways,tips and strategies that are coming out just give us bigger chance of win. I want to support with what you said, if you'll use martingale it is still not enough to get some good win on it because you will probably end up fast when you don't have a bigger and good amount of bankroll.
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March 11, 2017, 06:58:35 AM |
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I know how it is hard to make profits in gambling, we are willing to try everything, ways that can help us to win and there is no wrong in hoping. For me, having a big bank roll is required if you really want to play in a long run and make some profits whatever happens. This system can work but not as always.
It's for real, we know that there are a lot of ways,tips and strategies that are coming out just give us bigger chance of win. I want to support with what you said, if you'll use martingale it is still not enough to get some good win on it because you will probably end up fast when you don't have a bigger and good amount of bankroll. Matingale will only give us a negative experience in gambling if it's not use with proper timing, there are games where we can effective employ this method, games such as sports betting because we can analyze it prior to putting our bets unlike dice where there is a house edge. Games with house edge does not require a betting method but luck, if you are lucky winning comes easy regardless of the method.
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March 11, 2017, 07:16:22 AM |
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Matingale will only give us a negative experience in gambling if it's not use with proper timing, there are games where we can effective employ this method, games such as sports betting because we can analyze it prior to putting our bets unlike dice where there is a house edge. Games with house edge does not require a betting method but luck, if you are lucky winning comes easy regardless of the method.
Absolutely right, we can never know when will be that right time to use the system. There are still instances that we fail if we use it so it is not really guranteed. We can only use those methods on skill-based games that requires analization.
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March 11, 2017, 07:32:57 AM |
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Matingale will only give us a negative experience in gambling if it's not use with proper timing, there are games where we can effective employ this method, games such as sports betting because we can analyze it prior to putting our bets unlike dice where there is a house edge. Games with house edge does not require a betting method but luck, if you are lucky winning comes easy regardless of the method.
It still doesn't work. House Edge very little effect on why martingale is viable or not. All bets averages out to the house edge in the long run, but you will may not see it in time. It is the mathematical formula behind this method which is flawed to begin with. I didn't meet any sport bettors who by using martingale + analyze cracked the perfect way to break the system...
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March 12, 2017, 02:45:10 AM |
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But if we consider gambling just a luck game (98% luck game), any strategy will lead us to the bankrrupcy, no?
Martingale or any other method you use to bet, sooner or later you will lose your balance, on long term it's impossible to beat the house. Sometimes one or another gambler claims to win on long term, but I'm not really sure about this.
The fact is you cannot measure your luck and you cannot even determine when it will stay when you feel you are lucky, when luck comes to us we should know that it's only temporary and that is why sometimes we win if we are discipline too. Martingale is a from of bankroll management and like any other forms, it will not help you to win but your ability to select games and predict it right most of the time will. you don't need to measure your luck to be able to win. you just need to be lucky and have luck on your side. and in martingale system you can never have luck on your side because you are playing against the house with a house edge and that means the edge is giving your luck to the house instead and makes them win specially in the long run. One of the bad things about martingale is that you only need a bad streak of luck and you will lose your entire bankroll, I’m sure casinos love players that use martingale, if you just bet your money using a flat bet then eventually you will get tired of losing and you will get to keep most of your money.
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