Spam Terracoin?

[btc-e.com]

TerraCoin <terracoin76@gmail.com>

Will close the terracoin project

before announcing this on our mailing lists, we first wanted to let
suggest you stop exchanging terracoins IMMEDIATELY.

A few hours ago (2013-04-12 19:26:32, block 103799), the terracoin
blockchain was successfully forked by an attacker.

10 blocks were injected into the blockchain while the regular users
where mining one block.
(the attacker had at least 10 times the total network speed at this time).

We've been warning users multiple times regarding the fact that if they
really wanted to protect their coins, they should participate in mining,
but we were never heard.

In order to prevent you from receiving massive sell orders, we first
wanted to suggest you to immediately close your TRC service.

To prevent other merchants, users or services from loosing real money,
we have the regret to close the Terracoin project.
Binaries from our mirrors, sourcecode and repositories are going to be
removed, the seednodes required to join the network were stopped.

Attached text file contains the block hases involved in this fork ; at a
glance, it appears 7k+ TRC were manipulated.

Also we catched a few ip addresses first-relaying the concerned blocks,
we have no real proof of the attacker's identity.

In a few hours we'll announce the project closure via our mailing lists.

regards.

 spam

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[dreamwatcher]

Strange, especially since the developers just put up a new version about a hour ago on both github and sourceforge....   

[Walter Rothbard]

We've been warning users multiple times regarding the fact that if they
really wanted to protect their coins, they should participate in mining,
but we were never heard.

Bingo!

[dreamwatcher]

We've been warning users multiple times regarding the fact that if they
really wanted to protect their coins, they should participate in mining,
but we were never heard.

Bingo!

If the developers are shutting down the project, (no real confirmation yet):

Personally I think that is...well..Kind of a cop out.

There were people mining, I had 3 GH pointed at it myself and I have read of at least two others with 7 and 10 GH claiming to be hashing TRC.

The problem is, ASICs are just to damn efficient and powerful for fledgling coins and all SHA-256 alt-coins are going to have to harden against them.

If the developers are  abandoning the project, I will invite  volunteers to help me continue its development and upkeep on my repository.

There is no reason this chain cannot be fixed. To give up now, especially after TRC has made it onto a major exchange like BTC-E would be foolish.

[MaGNeT]

Small SHA256 chains are not safe atm.

[Walter Rothbard]

We've been warning users multiple times regarding the fact that if they
really wanted to protect their coins, they should participate in mining,
but we were never heard.

Where were these warnings issued?  I have never seen them.

I agree that altcoin proponents need to secure their chains.

[dreamwatcher]

Small SHA256 chains are not safe atm.

I believe adding small scrypt tweak will be all that is needed to severely limit the effects of ASIC's on SHA-256 Alt-coins.

If it comes down it , I will drop my current projects and start working on it immediately.

[Crs]

Somebody saw that the project files were deleted from sourceforge and wanted to create a panic and buy lots of coins. So no, I don't think it's real.

[jubalix]

SPAM


This is SPAM the TERRACOIN SOURCE FILES ARE ALL THERE
https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commits/master

and ANYWAY I CLONED THEM HERE
https://github.com/jubalix/terracoin-masterfork?source=cr

see

AND THAT IS NOT THE TERRACOIN DEV's EMAIL

TerraCoin <terracoin76@gmail.com>

Will close the terracoin project

before announcing this on our mailing lists, we first wanted to let
suggest you stop exchanging terracoins IMMEDIATELY.

A few hours ago (2013-04-12 19:26:32, block 103799), the terracoin
blockchain was successfully forked by an attacker.

10 blocks were injected into the blockchain while the regular users
where mining one block.
(the attacker had at least 10 times the total network speed at this time).

We've been warning users multiple times regarding the fact that if they
really wanted to protect their coins, they should participate in mining,
but we were never heard.

In order to prevent you from receiving massive sell orders, we first
wanted to suggest you to immediately close your TRC service.


To prevent other merchants, users or services from loosing real money,
we have the regret to close the Terracoin project.
Binaries from our mirrors, sourcecode and repositories are going to be
removed, the seednodes required to join the network were stopped.

Attached text file contains the block hases involved in this fork ; at a
glance, it appears 7k+ TRC were manipulated.

Also we catched a few ip addresses first-relaying the concerned blocks,
we have no real proof of the attacker's identity.

In a few hours we'll announce the project closure via our mailing lists.

regards.

 spam

[Sunny King]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

[jubalix]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

Have you seen crazzy rabbit going on about terra wallet and how coins are "lost" some alternate block chain.....

but you can see  the coins in the blockchain from TRC explorer, and not just a few


then he puts terrawallet up for sale....

he keeps going on about them being locked up etc etc but they are just fine on the real blockchain (by real I mean the one everyone kept going on with)

Terra coin dev has been working away on fixes, and it was smoothing out he %'s

his account could have been hacked

[Walter Rothbard]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

Wow.

Well, so long and thanks for all the fish.

I would presume that some fork of Terracoin is going to keep going.  Which fork it will be may be a problematic question to answer.

I'm still curious when and where the Terracoin dev(s) has warned Terracoin users that they need to be mining.  I agree!  But I haven't seen these warnings, either here on Bitcointalk, or on Terracointalk, or on Terracoin.org.  To be fair, I haven't read the mailing lists.

[mr_random]

Someone should contact Vircurex about this.

[takynakasi]

True or not, I'm out and not willing to lost any more penny in this crapcoin.

[mr_random]

True or not, I'm out and not willing to lost any more penny in this crapcoin.

Put the money into PPCoin imo. Similarly priced but in a far superior position in terms of market capitalisation, smart development and original ideas.

[maunderingcabal]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

Have you seen crazzy rabbit going on about terra wallet and how coins are "lost" some alternate block chain.....

but you can see  the coins in the blockchain from TRC explorer, and not just a few


then he puts terrawallet up for sale....

he keeps going on about them being locked up etc etc but they are just fine on the real blockchain (by real I mean the one everyone kept going on with)

Terra coin dev has been working away on fixes, and it was smoothing out he %'s

his account could have been hacked

Terrawallet doesn't open bro. Site is down.






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[dreamwatcher]

Do people not realize this about more then TRC???

Are you truly that short sighted?

Do you think your alt-chains are safe? (Referring to SHA-256)

This is one person with one ASIC. What do you think is going to happen when that number multiplies?

Sunny and the PPC project have my up most respect, and PPC is a coin I most definitely support.

As ingenious and protective the PPC coin difficulty algo is, how about when 5,10,20 ASIC's fire up against it.

Is the message the alt-coin community wants to send: "Go ahead and destroy our chains, we will just lie down and take it."

I have no problem seeing a coin fail due to community market factors, that is the way of a free market.

When one person decides to play "God"  because he/she happens to have advanced technology not available to the 99.999999999% ,and takes that choice away from the community, I will fight it with everything I can offer.You may be satisfied to roll over and take it because you think it will not happen to the coin(s) you support, and make no mistake, I believe PPC will survive the longest. However, it is still in danger from multiple ASIC manipulation. Without some kind ASIC hardening , I doubt any of the SHA-256 alt-coins will survive once ASIC's start shipping normally and orders are being filled.


I certainly hope the e-mail sent out was a mistake, and perhaps the developers changed their mind later.

Whatever the case my be, I for one want to send a different message to those who wish the alt-coin community harm.

We will not take it, and we will fight you every step of the way.

[jubalix]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

Have you seen crazzy rabbit going on about terra wallet and how coins are "lost" some alternate block chain.....

but you can see  the coins in the blockchain from TRC explorer, and not just a few


then he puts terrawallet up for sale....

he keeps going on about them being locked up etc etc but they are just fine on the real blockchain (by real I mean the one everyone kept going on with)

Terra coin dev has been working away on fixes, and it was smoothing out he %'s

his account could have been hacked

Terrawallet doesn't open bro. Site is down.

[/quote]

Yes this is true

but the whole description of forked blockchain by Crazy Rabit was wrong and he had access to the private keys to refund the amounts....

[FJBourne]

Why is BTC-E still allowing TRC to be traded?

[Sunny King]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

[VforVictory]

Is this why the price of TRC has plummeted, and why I can't seem to withdraw TRC from BTC-e? O_o

[master-P]

People are still trading it on the exchanges. Obviously, this is causing the price to drop. I wonder what it'll be worth in a few days time

[mr_random]

As ingenious and protective the PPC coin difficulty algo is, how about when 5,10,20 ASIC's fire up against it.

I would have thought, the more ASICs there are the better. I thought the whole problem was a single ASIC has the majority of the computational power. But if there 10 ASICs that wouldn't be the case. So ironically a mass of ASICs is a better situation than a solitary ASIC with a dominating computational stake. Is that right or wrong..?

[No_2]

I can confirm that the email was terracoin dev's, I have communicated with him before on that email.

Surely it's easy to spoof an email by SMTP, the header file would provide better info. Did you interrogate that?

[dreamwatcher]

As ingenious and protective the PPC coin difficulty algo is, how about when 5,10,20 ASIC's fire up against it.

I would have thought, the more ASICs there are the better. I thought the whole problem was a single ASIC has the majority of the computational power. But if there 10 ASICs that wouldn't be the case. So ironically a mass of ASICs is a better situation than a solitary ASIC with a dominating computational stake. Is that right or wrong..?

If their intention is to mine as intended and not manipulate the chain.

We are seeing hostile intent at such an early stage. How many units has Avalion shipped?

One person is already demonstrating this level of malice towards the alt-coin community. Imagine it, he/she has one of the very,very few ASIC's. Even after the BTC crash over the last couple of days, BTC is back hovering around  $100. Blocks are worth $2500.......Yet he/she would rather destroy an alt-chain.

What will happen when ASIC's are freely shipping? I am sure there are those out there that would use an ASIC(s) to help strengthen an alt-coin network. But, take a good look at the hardcore BTC community and tell me who you think the majority of ASIC holders will be, and what intentions for alt-coins they might have.

[aysyr]

I'd mine TRC once my BFL ASIC gets here... but knowing what they've been so far, if TRC was to die it would happen long before I ever get it 

[jubalix]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

[Syke]

The problem is the difficulty adjustment algorithm is exploitable, and that's what someone is doing.

[jubalix]

The problem is the difficulty adjustment algorithm is exploitable, and that's what someone is doing.

....something else is going on as well

[Nolo]

I don't buy it.  Here's the post on the terracoin.org website:

Terracoin 0.1.3-33 is now available ; this will be mandatory at block 104290.

Quote from terracoin-announce mailing list:
terracoin build 0.1.3-33 is now available for download at our github & sourceforge repositories, windows binary builds were just uploaded to sourceforge.

this build addresses some issues in the difficulty targetting algorithm, currently caused by heavy-armed miners controlling higher hashing power than the network itself ; it will be mandatory on block 104290.

This build will also remove the real low difficulty values recently seen on the network, following one of those hashing bursts.

Download links: windows: terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32.zip
source: github.com
Pool operators and exchange services were informed of this update by email.
Apr 12 2013.

The devs have got to be tired of screwing with this issue, but they are constantly releasing new updates to fix it.

I think it's just more garbage to try to lower the value of the coins so people can continue to pick up cheap ones. 

[jubalix]

the comments are down (hacked/removed)


https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/issues/33#issuecomment-16309890

but the

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/

is still there?

also sent a 10 coin transfer test between accounts

nothing happened.

[dreamwatcher]

the comments are down (hacked/removed)


https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/issues/33#issuecomment-16309890

but the

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/

is still there?

also sent a 10 coin transfer test between accounts

nothing happened.

It appears the developers deleted the repository, and recreated the repository, uploading the newest code.

As for the other issue.....could you please compare the block height in your client to the block height in cryptocoinexplorer. If they match could you check to make sure the hash and other info match, and get back to me. Either here or through PM.

I would really appreciate it.   

[Nolo]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

[jubalix]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

[Nolo]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix.  

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

Are you sure you're on the "right" chain?  Last night I was playing around with another rig, and somehow I found myself on a different chain.  Kind of what crazy rabbit was talking about earlier today.  Difficulty was 1.0 and I was mining a block every few seconds it seemed like.  Just to see what would happen I tried to transfer these coins to my real wallet.  The coins left the rig on the bad chain, but obviously never appeared on the good chain.  

Go to Help -> Debug Window -> and type "getmininginfo"

Tell me what difficulty you see.

[DryPowder]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

I make a deposit on BTC-E and they don’t accredit my TRC to my account, I make a complaint and I’m waiting for his response.

[wmikrut]

I am running version 33 and here is what I see atm:

getmininginfo

{
"blocks" : 104011,
"currentblocksize" : 0,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 28011.93394381,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}

[SRoulette]

It potentially false emails like the one quoted that highlight the need for more direct communication from a developer.
Use PGP + Tor and only visit the forums once a month if you must

Its our opinion this email is a steaming pile of bullshit with stink lines wafting up and flies buzzing around it.

[Nolo]

It potentially false emails like the one quoted that highlight the need for more direct communication from a developer.
Use PGP + Tor and only visit the forums once a month if you must

Its our opinion this email is a steaming pile of bullshit with stink lines wafting up and flies buzzing around it.

+1 to both statements. 

[Nolo]

I am running version 33 and here is what I see atm:

getmininginfo

{
"blocks" : 104011,
"currentblocksize" : 0,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 28011.93394381,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}

Looks good. 

[jubalix]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

I make a deposit on BTC-E and they don’t accredit my TRC to my account, I make a complaint and I’m waiting for his response.

So BTCe or VIR

or someone is on the wrong chain


I think if dev deletes his repo with the comments

this email goes out

but he is still deving

and Crazy's shanagins of closing and going on about blockchain splits, can allocate who own what.....etc and small amounts left but I can see some largeish ammounts....

and the way some of this went down something is going on......

[Nolo]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

I make a deposit on BTC-E and they don’t accredit my TRC to my account, I make a complaint and I’m waiting for his response.

So BTCe or VIR

or someone is on the wrong chain


I think if dev deletes his repo with the comments

this email goes out

but he is still deving

and Crazy's shanagins of closing and going on about blockchain splits, can allocate who own what.....etc and small amounts left but I can see some largeish ammounts....

and the way some of this went down something is going on......

Make a post like wmikrut just made showing your getmininginfo. 

[wmikrut]

I am running version 33 and here is what I see atm:

getmininginfo

{
"blocks" : 104011,
"currentblocksize" : 0,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 28011.93394381,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 0,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}

Looks good. 

Yeah, I've been keeping a close eye on the diff -- it seems pretty stable so far.

Strangely enough, I still see blocks being churned out in the 100xx range... but it seems like the current 103xx is starting to dominate again!

[jubalix]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

I make a deposit on BTC-E and they don’t accredit my TRC to my account, I make a complaint and I’m waiting for his response.

So BTCe or VIR

I dont know that I can as I do not have the client (osx) and its to BTCe address

or someone is on the wrong chain


I think if dev deletes his repo with the comments

this email goes out

but he is still deving

and Crazy's shanagins of closing and going on about blockchain splits, can allocate who own what.....etc and small amounts left but I can see some largeish ammounts....

and the way some of this went down something is going on......

Make a post like wmikrut just made showing your getmininginfo. 

[seleme]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Shame, it became third strongest coin on exchanges just before problems started.

[Nolo]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago. 

[jubalix]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Shame, it became third strongest coin on exchanges just before problems started.

but why the deleted repos' comments etc, it plays into a spammers hands


why the "legit" email

and total silence from DEV now???

[DryPowder]

I just did a test.  Transferred a TRC from one of my rigs to the other.  It worked perfectly.  Chain is completely updated.  Not sure what your problem is jubalix. 

I just sent 10 trc from my VIRCUREX to my BTCe address and

nothing happened

ie the money went out of my VIRCUREX but did not turn up in my BTCe

I make a deposit on BTC-E and they don’t accredit my TRC to my account, I make a complaint and I’m waiting for his response.

So BTCe or VIR

or someone is on the wrong chain


I think if dev deletes his repo with the comments

this email goes out

but he is still deving

and Crazy's shanagins of closing and going on about blockchain splits, can allocate who own what.....etc and small amounts left but I can see some largeish ammounts....

and the way some of this went down something is going on......

I use my hot wallet to make the deposit; I think BTC-E has the problem.

[jubalix]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago. 

with this level of communication

a recalitrant DEV

Crazy Rabbit sale

BTCe getting sucked in

BTCe not confirming transfers

Spam and FUD

TRC is just not worth the Drama

[DryPowder]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago. 

with this level of communication

a recalitrant DEV

Crazy Rabbit sale

BTCe getting sucked in

BTCe not confirming transfers

Spam and FUD

TRC is just not worth the Drama

Yes, this stink fishy

[wmikrut]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Shame, it became third strongest coin on exchanges just before problems started.

but why the deleted repos' comments etc, it plays into a spammers hands


why the "legit" email

and total silence from DEV now???

Is it possible that one of the 'other' devs on the project... someone with access... perhaps sent the email and deleted the comments?
I mean... consider if the attack was an 'inside' job....   That would explain quite a bit...

[dreamwatcher]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago.  

I hope, and I am going to think for now that is the situation.

All the getinfos (getmininginfos) posted look good.

I am also having issues with BTC-E and TRC deposits, and address generation. As a experiment I tried to generate a new TRC address and browser/BTC-E just went into infinite wait.

If you want, it might help keep everybody's client on the same page, if you were to add cryptocoinexplorer.com IP to your node list.

In your terracoin.conf file add:

Code:

addnode=84.200.84.74

I normally have anywhere between 50 to 100 connections on the node,  so it is a good node to connect to. The addnode command will only add to the list of nodes the client looks for, the client will still look for other nodes, so your clients will not be dependent on the explorer node.
 

[Nolo]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago. 

I hope, and I am going to think for now that is the situation.

All the getinfos (getmininginfos) posted look good.

I am also having issues with BTC-E and TRC deposits, and address generation. As a experiment I tried to generate a new TRC address and browser/BTC-E just went into infinite wait.

If you want, it might help keep everybody's client on the same page, if you were to add cryptocoinexplorer.com IP to your node list.

In you terracoin.conf file add:

Code:

addnode=84.200.84.74

I normally have anywhere between 50 to 100 connections on the node,  so it is a good node to connect to. The addnode command will only add to the list of nodes the client looks for, the client will still look for other nodes, so your clients will not be dependent on the explorer nope.
 

I'm getting the infinite wait problem at btc-e too.  But that's when I try to do anything, so that seems like a btc-e problem to me and not a TRC problem. 

[DryPowder]

He did say yesterday that he id not going to play cat and mouse game with attacker for long but today he was full positive and looked ready for fight, and looked like he believed it's possible to do it.

I am not sure what's happening but he might quit it based on his words from yesterday. He said basically - if miners don't mine, attacker will win.

Miners did start to mine again though, and pretty heavy.  I know of atleast 30Gh/s that was pointed at the coin.  I have atleast 6Gh/s.  I think the email in this thread is garbage and fake.  I think the post yesterday was just out of frustration.  He probably slept on it, and got back to work.  That's my best guess, especially since he released a new version just a little while ago. 

I hope, and I am going to think for now that is the situation.

All the getinfos (getmininginfos) posted look good.

I am also having issues with BTC-E and TRC deposits, and address generation. As a experiment I tried to generate a new TRC address and browser/BTC-E just went into infinite wait.

If you want, it might help keep everybody's client on the same page, if you were to add cryptocoinexplorer.com IP to your node list.

In you terracoin.conf file add:

Code:

addnode=84.200.84.74

I normally have anywhere between 50 to 100 connections on the node,  so it is a good node to connect to. The addnode command will only add to the list of nodes the client looks for, the client will still look for other nodes, so your clients will not be dependent on the explorer nope.
 

I'm getting the infinite wait problem at btc-e too.  But that's when I try to do anything, so that seems like a btc-e problem to me and not a TRC problem. 

I hope so.

[No_2]

It potentially false emails like the one quoted that highlight the need for more direct communication from a developer.
Use PGP + Tor and only visit the forums once a month if you must

Its our opinion this email is a steaming pile of bullshit with stink lines wafting up and flies buzzing around it.

+1 We all need to be using PGP keys more to avoid issues like this in future.

[GernMiester]

death to all alt coins.   YEAH!!!!! ASIC the destroyer of crapcoins

[nethead]

death to all alt coins.   YEAH!!!!! ASIC the destroyer of crapcoins

Retards like this one right here (sorry man) doesnt understand that can make profit out of all altcoins

[crazy_rabbit]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

[jubalix]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

[crazy_rabbit]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

that was me chatting to you. However if my account was compromised, thats what I would tell you anyway. My passwords are very long and secure.

To be honest I think the rabbit hole goes no deeper then some kid with an ASIC decided to f*ck up our hard work.

[wmikrut]

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

that was me chatting to you. However if my account was compromised, thats what I would tell you anyway. My passwords are very long and secure.

To be honest I think the rabbit hole goes no deeper then some kid with an ASIC decided to f*ck up our hard work.

I agree... all the 'compromised' blocks all appeared to be coming from a single ip address. 
imo this essentially points to a single location responsible for the attack.

[jubalix]

I think TRC is the pet chain of someone with asics....may be in league with some one at an exchange or exchanges a  clever scheme to suck BTC//$$$ out and some tame devs or devs in league

The DEV's actions cannot be explained, and they were clever....I mean they had the email addresses of the DEV sunnyking confirmed that was the email address no spoof has been checked....

BTCe just shuts up after its inital foray....(maybe they will comment agian)

Repo's moved around comments deleted

FUD sell

and BTCe says nothing.....

Hard to transfer funds from Vircure to BTC e

no....there is definitely some planing and collusion here, some one that could get and asic and run it would not be wasting it

Dev can code but screws around with solutions that just don't quite work, fuds, repos moved, then releases next patch, SunnyKing told him to look at how he does it....No comment...would not use that ?

What we should do is this Get the re-target code from sunnyking put it in the Terracoin code and release that....!!!!

That would probably upset the applecart and bring a few worms out of the can....I would be interested to see if TRC was desisted at that point when it was working....

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

that was me chatting to you. However if my account was compromised, thats what I would tell you anyway. My passwords are very long and secure.

To be honest I think the rabbit hole goes no deeper then some kid with an ASIC decided to f*ck up our hard work.

[SRoulette]

I think TRC is the pet chain of someone with asics....may be in league with some one at an exchange or exchanges a  clever scheme to suck BTC//$$$ out and some tame devs or devs in league

The DEV's actions cannot be explained, and they were clever....I mean they had the email addresses of the DEV sunnyking confirmed that was the email address no spoof has been checked....

BTCe just shuts up after its inital foray....(maybe they will comment agian)

Repo's moved around comments deleted

FUD sell

and BTCe says nothing.....

Hard to transfer funds from Vircure to BTC e

no....there is definitely some planing and collusion here, some one that could get and asic and run it would not be wasting it

Dev can code but screws around with solutions that just don't quite work, fuds, repos moved, then releases next patch, SunnyKing told him to look at how he does it....No comment...would not use that ?

What we should do is this Get the re-target code from sunnyking put it in the Terracoin code and release that....!!!!

That would probably upset the applecart and bring a few worms out of the can....I would be interested to see if TRC was desisted at that point when it was working....

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

that was me chatting to you. However if my account was compromised, thats what I would tell you anyway. My passwords are very long and secure.

To be honest I think the rabbit hole goes no deeper then some kid with an ASIC decided to f*ck up our hard work.

I support a fork to save terracoin if thats what it takes.

[jubalix]

I think TRC is the pet chain of someone with asics....may be in league with some one at an exchange or exchanges a  clever scheme to suck BTC//$$$ out and some tame devs or devs in league

The DEV's actions cannot be explained, and they were clever....I mean they had the email addresses of the DEV sunnyking confirmed that was the email address no spoof has been checked....

BTCe just shuts up after its inital foray....(maybe they will comment agian)

Repo's moved around comments deleted

FUD sell

and BTCe says nothing.....

Hard to transfer funds from Vircure to BTC e

no....there is definitely some planing and collusion here, some one that could get and asic and run it would not be wasting it

Dev can code but screws around with solutions that just don't quite work, fuds, repos moved, then releases next patch, SunnyKing told him to look at how he does it....No comment...would not use that ?

What we should do is this Get the re-target code from sunnyking put it in the Terracoin code and release that....!!!!

That would probably upset the applecart and bring a few worms out of the can....I would be interested to see if TRC was desisted at that point when it was working....

I agree with dreamwatcher that it's rather premature and weak to quit at this moment.

By all means terracoin hasn't even tried ppc's adjustment yet. ppcoin itself should be pretty safe from this because of proof-of-stake protection. As for a pure proof-of-work implementation, I think even with some ASIC miner exploiting it, at worst it could probably extend the block spacing from 2 minute to maybe 20 minutes sometimes. Given a reasonably long averaging window it shouldn't be all that intolerable.

The problem is DEV for terracoin is so taciturn...

the comments are all gone from git hub, but all the code remains last time I checked...

something is realllly of here....

I note that Crazy Rabbit mentioned having and Asic at some...stage...and that he could consider using it on the TRC chain (in support of the chain I inferred).

Crazy Rabbit can you clear this up??

I do not have an ASIC. I had a preorder for a BFL, but (smartest move I ever made) I never paid for it. I have 3x 6950's. They are mining litecoin now.

hmm do you recall crypto chat the other day or was that someone hoaxing as you....your account may be compromised?

that was me chatting to you. However if my account was compromised, thats what I would tell you anyway. My passwords are very long and secure.

To be honest I think the rabbit hole goes no deeper then some kid with an ASIC decided to f*ck up our hard work.

I support a fork to save terracoin if thats what it takes.

Get Sunnyking to use his target system into TRC and fork, TradeFortress could do it as well

[celkaris]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:
[...]
https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

nice commit message xD :

[core] logging: log remote ip address while receiving a block.

- can't do much, if you are able to mine every single block at 5 to 10
   times the usual net diff ... you won

[wmikrut]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:

3372    3372             // 69.195.155 96.43.135 208.110.68 = eclipsemc
3373    3373             // 176.9.104 = bitminter
3374    3374             // 62.113.214 192.198.93 59.167.117 = ozcoin
     3375    +        // 72.135.241.30 = big fake blocks from here
3375    3376             if (boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "23.21.225")
3376    3377                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.31.157")
3377    3378                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "46.4.121")
...    ...    @@ -3382,7 +3383,8 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3382    3383                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.9.104")
3383    3384                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "62.113.214")
3384    3385                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "192.198.93")
3385         -                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117"))
     3386    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117")
     3387    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "72.135.241"))
3386    3388             {
3387    3389                 pfrom->Misbehaving(100);
3388    3390                 //printf("Banned remote node from addr=%s ; known terracoin pool.\n", pfrom->addr.ToString().c_str());
...    ...    @@ -3883,7 +3885,7 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3883    3885             CBlock block;
3884    3886             vRecv >> block;

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

This just shows there was an attempt to ban all traffic from 72.13.241 range.
The person was probably using multiple ips within that segment.

Note:  I ignored 3372-3374... because 3375 was just added.
There could be a valid reason to ignore other pools.. perhaps this attack started elsewhere and progressed.

[MaGNeT]

It was fun to find out how to get P2Pool running anyway

[SRoulette]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:

3372    3372             // 69.195.155 96.43.135 208.110.68 = eclipsemc
3373    3373             // 176.9.104 = bitminter
3374    3374             // 62.113.214 192.198.93 59.167.117 = ozcoin
     3375    +        // 72.135.241.30 = big fake blocks from here
3375    3376             if (boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "23.21.225")
3376    3377                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.31.157")
3377    3378                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "46.4.121")
...    ...    @@ -3382,7 +3383,8 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3382    3383                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.9.104")
3383    3384                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "62.113.214")
3384    3385                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "192.198.93")
3385         -                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117"))
     3386    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117")
     3387    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "72.135.241"))
3386    3388             {
3387    3389                 pfrom->Misbehaving(100);
3388    3390                 //printf("Banned remote node from addr=%s ; known terracoin pool.\n", pfrom->addr.ToString().c_str());
...    ...    @@ -3883,7 +3885,7 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3883    3885             CBlock block;
3884    3886             vRecv >> block;

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

This just shows there was an attempt to ban all traffic from 72.13.241 range.
The person was probably using multiple ips within that segment.

It would be cool to know if miners mining in those pools have any idea about the pool operator deeds.

Thanks, thats a nice list of unfriendly altcoin pools to avoid

[dreamwatcher]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:

3372    3372             // 69.195.155 96.43.135 208.110.68 = eclipsemc
3373    3373             // 176.9.104 = bitminter
3374    3374             // 62.113.214 192.198.93 59.167.117 = ozcoin
     3375    +        // 72.135.241.30 = big fake blocks from here
3375    3376             if (boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "23.21.225")
3376    3377                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.31.157")
3377    3378                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "46.4.121")
...    ...    @@ -3382,7 +3383,8 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3382    3383                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.9.104")
3383    3384                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "62.113.214")
3384    3385                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "192.198.93")
3385         -                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117"))
     3386    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117")
     3387    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "72.135.241"))
3386    3388             {
3387    3389                 pfrom->Misbehaving(100);
3388    3390                 //printf("Banned remote node from addr=%s ; known terracoin pool.\n", pfrom->addr.ToString().c_str());
...    ...    @@ -3883,7 +3885,7 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3883    3885             CBlock block;
3884    3886             vRecv >> block;

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

This just shows there was an attempt to ban all traffic from 72.13.241 range.
The person was probably using multiple ips within that segment.

It would be cool to know if miners mining in those pools have any idea about the pool operator deeds.

Thanks, thats a nice list of unfriendly altcoin pools to avoid

I am not too sure about this.

eclipsemc = I could maybe see Josh doing this since he does work for BFL.

Bitminter = I dont know the owner enough to comment

  Ozcoin = I highly doubt Graet would have anything to do with manipulation/attacking a coin chain. It just seems way too out of character  for him, like miles and miles out of character.   

Have the Terracoin Developers contacted the owners of these pools to see what is going on? Something just does not seem right, especially coming from Ozcoin.

[celkaris]

I am not too sure about this.

hrm .. me neither, reading this forum, i'd expect to see another famous one, but not necessarily those. Are there any others in this list ? are all known popular pools in that list ?

[MaGNeT]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:

3372    3372             // 69.195.155 96.43.135 208.110.68 = eclipsemc
3373    3373             // 176.9.104 = bitminter
3374    3374             // 62.113.214 192.198.93 59.167.117 = ozcoin
     3375    +        // 72.135.241.30 = big fake blocks from here
3375    3376             if (boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "23.21.225")
3376    3377                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.31.157")
3377    3378                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "46.4.121")
...    ...    @@ -3382,7 +3383,8 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3382    3383                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.9.104")
3383    3384                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "62.113.214")
3384    3385                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "192.198.93")
3385         -                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117"))
     3386    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117")
     3387    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "72.135.241"))
3386    3388             {
3387    3389                 pfrom->Misbehaving(100);
3388    3390                 //printf("Banned remote node from addr=%s ; known terracoin pool.\n", pfrom->addr.ToString().c_str());
...    ...    @@ -3883,7 +3885,7 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3883    3885             CBlock block;
3884    3886             vRecv >> block;

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

Other missbehaving peers that earned themselves banscore 100 since block 104290:

*** LIST OF IP'S ***

I can assure you my IP is on that list and I'm only mining with 3x HD5870 and 2x HD7970 GPU cards @ P2Pool (2700Mhash/s) for 7 hours now.
Before that I was on multipool.in but that pool isn't stable.
Why am I banned?

edit: fired up my rig again:

[celkaris]

old client maybe ? i just updated mine and everything looks good til now.

[MaGNeT]

Your current Terracoin wallet is submitting or relaying invalid blocks, for example:

2013-04-13 16:24:14 received block 0000000000245a6c0f603705df6ff3b3aa8149d2319def5ed0e4023e86bd1b48 from 46.73.147.179:62383
2013-04-13 16:24:14 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2013-04-13 16:24:14 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
2013-04-13 16:24:14 Misbehaving: 46.73.147.179:62383 (0 -> 100) DISCONNECTING
2013-04-13 16:24:14 disconnecting node 46.73.147.179:62383

Upgrade to newest version as soon as possible!

What is the newest version?
I have the terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32 running on my mining rig.

[dreamwatcher]

This is one person with one ASIC.

As much I understand the code, it is so much worse than one person with one ASIC:

3372    3372             // 69.195.155 96.43.135 208.110.68 = eclipsemc
3373    3373             // 176.9.104 = bitminter
3374    3374             // 62.113.214 192.198.93 59.167.117 = ozcoin
     3375    +        // 72.135.241.30 = big fake blocks from here
3375    3376             if (boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "23.21.225")
3376    3377                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.31.157")
3377    3378                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "46.4.121")
...    ...    @@ -3382,7 +3383,8 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3382    3383                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "176.9.104")
3383    3384                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "62.113.214")
3384    3385                     || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "192.198.93")
3385         -                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117"))
     3386    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "59.167.117")
     3387    +                || boost::algorithm::starts_with(pfrom->addr.ToString(), "72.135.241"))
3386    3388             {
3387    3389                 pfrom->Misbehaving(100);
3388    3390                 //printf("Banned remote node from addr=%s ; known terracoin pool.\n", pfrom->addr.ToString().c_str());
...    ...    @@ -3883,7 +3885,7 @@ bool static ProcessMessage(CNode* pfrom, string strCommand, CDataStream& vRecv)
3883    3885             CBlock block;
3884    3886             vRecv >> block;

https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin/commit/24f6dd64bb64bc930d114335185f317d79a63c96

Other missbehaving peers that earned themselves banscore 100 since block 104290:

79.135.203.19:13333
70.68.116.189:13333
85.206.129.18:13333
24.93.21.147:13333
188.250.183.163:52752
80.112.166.132:13333
65.29.242.236:65176
70.177.214.76:13333
54.244.216.167:50920
71.12.216.41:64430
122.108.55.177:65220
80.238.171.70:43225
65.129.127.95:13333
180.216.109.196:13333
94.174.43.180:53874
109.171.18.177:62088
186.109.26.90:61613
82.234.193.23:13333
58.7.128.125:51756
188.233.33.191:52870
37.200.37.224:53325
216.67.34.148:52815
2.143.40.177:17907
188.25.252.173:49976
88.168.133.3:52342
89.139.188.28:22521
173.29.240.150:13333
62.163.9.155:13333
124.168.60.187:60870
84.250.96.228:56652
75.145.104.129:23188
173.209.121.239:11481
123.194.192.34:64178
46.73.147.179:62383

I can assure you my IP is on that list and I'm only mining with 3x HD5870 and 2x HD7970 GPU cards @ P2Pool (2700Mhash/s).
Why am I banned?

Ok this answers a few questions.

Just because a node gets "banned" does not mean that the owner of that node is doing anything malicious.

There have been several reports of clients/daemons acting up since this whole thing started, and one node can ban another node for a number of reasons, most of which are not malicious in nature. Something as simple as connecting/disconnecting a bunch of times during communication can get the ban score over the limit. Imagine a user frustrated by recent events opening and closing his client a bunch of times.

Also, IP addresses are not all that reliable. There are a number of ways to spoof them. In fact, it really would not be that hard alter the code in the client/daemon to report whatever it wants. Add to that proxies and TOR, i do not think using IP's through the node network is a reliable way to point fingers. The whole IP system in the client/daemon was really only designed to allow one node to temporary block a node that might be having problems for one reason or the other.Remember node bans are only 24 hours (I believe), this is hardly the design of a system meant to point fingers at malicious operators.

[MaGNeT]

But what consequence does it have now my IP is on that "ban list"?

Can I still mine Terracoin from my home-IP?
Can I still transfer Terracoin from my home-IP?
How do I get off that list?

edit: Back to Litecoin mining. PM me when you fix this.

Edit: my TRC client goes out of sync every now and then, is that a result of the ban?

[dreamwatcher]

But what does it mean now my IP is on that "ban list"?

Can I still mine Terracoin from my home-IP?
Can I still transfer Terracoin from my home-IP?
How do I get off that list?

edit: Back to Litecoin mining. PM me when you fix this.

It means nothing.

It just means that whatever node (client/daemon) that list came from, will not allow your node to connect to it for 24 hours. You will still be able to connect to any other node that has not personally banned your node. The ban only effects the node that issued it.

For whatever reason, that persons node thought your node was misbehaving and this is not uncommon and nothing to worry about unless you find yourself having a hard time getting connected and a bunch of nodes have banned you. This would be an indicator that your client/daemon is malfunctioning in some way.

[MaGNeT]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I used terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32 client during the time I mined at P2Pool because I saw the message it was mandatory from block xxx.xxx.

I didn't know there is a newer one. Where do I find it? On SourceForge this is still the last one.

And "ignoring mandatory updates"? Come on guys... That's about 2-3 "mandatory updates" in 2 days because they f*cked up their own coin?

[gyverlb]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

[MaGNeT]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Same for me. As soon as I saw the new client and before I started mining at P2Pool, I updated my client to terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32.
I only setup my P2Pool 7-8 hours ago because multipool.in was giving me trouble again and I wanted to mine TRC.

I'm looking around but can't find any newer, so I don't think the problem is at my side.
But I still get banned.

[celkaris]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Same for me. As soon as I saw the new client and before I started mining at P2Pool, I updated my client to terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32.
I only setup my P2Pool 7-8 hours ago because multipool.in was giving me trouble again and I wanted to mine TRC.

I'm looking around but can't find any newer, so I don't think the problem is at my side.
But I still get banned.

it may work the other way too : you're getting banned by remote nodes still using an older client ?

[dreamwatcher]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Same for me. As soon as I saw the new client and before I started mining at P2Pool, I updated my client to terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32.
I only setup my P2Pool 7-8 hours ago because multipool.in was giving me trouble again and I wanted to mine TRC.

I'm looking around but can't find any newer, so I don't think the problem is at my side.
But I still get banned.

DO NOT WORRY IF YOU ARE ON A NODES BANNED LIST...AND PLEASE STOP PUBLISHING NODE BANNED LISTS


Publish away!!!!

Unless you are having problems connecting to the network, and are being blocked by multiple nodes, it is nothing to worry about.

Just make sure you are using the latest client. TRC is having enough issues without starting another completely unnecessary fire.

[gyverlb]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Just did a git pull, saw one commit, git diff HEAD^ shows ugly hacks testing a minimum block that was already reached.

The commit was published less than 24h before it was needed to remain on the main chain, that's quite brutal. I wonder if all exchanges are on the right chain and how they will react if they aren't...

[MaGNeT]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Just did a git pull, saw one commit, git diff HEAD^ shows ugly hacks testing a minimum block that was already reached.

The commit was published less than 24h before it was needed to remain on the main chain, that's quite brutal. I wonder if all exchanges are on the right chain and how they will react if they aren't...

These are my statistics from P2Pool.
Why are there 104.xxx and 100.xxx blocks? Or isn't that the blockchain?

[MaGNeT]

But what does it mean now my IP is on that "ban list"?

Can I still mine Terracoin from my home-IP?
Can I still transfer Terracoin from my home-IP?
How do I get off that list?

edit: Back to Litecoin mining. PM me when you fix this.

It means nothing.

It means a lot since Terracoin is legit hard-forked on block 104290. Banscore 100 is absolutely rare in normal occassions. For example, double spend attempt
(sending tx which constains already spent outputs) will earn you banscore of just 10.

@ MaGNeT

Reset your IP than start wallet again. When in miner, check what difficulty it shows, write it down, wait the next block then compare difficulty you
wrote down with one shown on Terracoin explorer. If they are same, you are fine.

Reset my IP? How do you mean? I have this IP for 4 years now and can't be changed.

[gyverlb]

DO NOT WORRY IF YOU ARE ON A NODES BANNED LIST...AND PLEASE STOP PUBLISHING NODE BANNED LISTS


Unless you are having problems connecting to the network, and are being blocked by multiple nodes, it is nothing to worry about.

Just make sure you are using the latest client. TRC is having enough issues without starting another completely unnecessary fire.

To avoid such confusions the devs might want to publish chain forking changes a little bit earlier (less than a day, seriously?) and/or broadcast a message like Bitcoin devs did when their chain forked.

Apparently they are even quite a lot of miners on a previous fork (so that makes it at least 3 simultaneous TRC chains) on P2Pool as MaGNet's previous post shows.

[MaGNeT]

DO NOT WORRY IF YOU ARE ON A NODES BANNED LIST...AND PLEASE STOP PUBLISHING NODE BANNED LISTS


Unless you are having problems connecting to the network, and are being blocked by multiple nodes, it is nothing to worry about.

Just make sure you are using the latest client. TRC is having enough issues without starting another completely unnecessary fire.

To avoid such confusions the devs might want to publish chain forking changes a little bit earlier (less than a day, seriously?) and/or broadcast a message like Bitcoin devs did when their chain forked.

Apparently they are even quite a lot of miners on a previous fork (so that makes it at least 3 simultaneous TRC chains) on P2Pool as MaGNet's previous post shows.

Both my clients are @ block 104.380 as we speak.
I am able to move coins around, just tested it with 0.5 TRC

[MessyCoin]

I compile for linux by pulling from git with:

Code:

git clone https://github.com/terracoin/terracoin.git

After doing this and compiling, "About Terracoin" says v0.1.3rc0-beta ... is this the latest version? If not, what am I doing wrong here? thanks!

EDIT: I have previously been told to ignore the resulting terracoin version numbers when compiling myself.. mainly interested to confirm I am getting the latest code by cloning from git like this.

EEDIT: If I'm NOT getting the latest version here, then how to get the proper linux source?

[webosftw]

http://terracoin.org/news/
Official news posted about the situation.

[MaGNeT]

All IPs listed above were submitting or relaying invalid blocks, which is very bad thing so banscore went from 0 -> 100 immidiately. Listed IPs are of
those who use older wallet versions, so not neccessarily an attacker but I've listed them anyway. From my perspective, there is not so much difference
between ignoring mandatory updates and intentionaly attacking the network.

I am in this list. I compiled the client from git master's head less than 24h ago. What nonsense is this? The chain is forked by the devs at a whim?

Same for me. As soon as I saw the new client and before I started mining at P2Pool, I updated my client to terracoin-0.1.3-33-win32.
I only setup my P2Pool 7-8 hours ago because multipool.in was giving me trouble again and I wanted to mine TRC.

I'm looking around but can't find any newer, so I don't think the problem is at my side.
But I still get banned.

DO NOT WORRY IF YOU ARE ON A NODES BANNED LIST...AND PLEASE STOP PUBLISHING NODE BANNED LISTS

As long as I'm on a "nodes banned list" and nobody can explain why, I have all reasons to worry.

I'm trying to mine TRC but it looks broken to me, that's worrying me because I have a shitload of them and I am afraid to send them to BTC-E because I don't know if BTC-E is on the right fork now.

[MaGNeT]

Upgrade to newest stable wallet:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/terracoin/files/SatoshiClone/

I already have this version for 10 hours or so. When I woke up, I updated my wallet to -33 and installed/configured Python, Twister and P2Pool because multipool.in was offline, again...
While mining P2Pool, approx. 30% of my mined coins disappeared (rejected), others (before and after) matured without problems.

[gyverlb]

Upgrade to newest stable wallet:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/terracoin/files/SatoshiClone/

I'm on Linux, these are useless to me.

git master compiled version shows :
Terracoin version v0.1.2-51-gd147fa7-dirty-beta (2013-04-09 20:48:28 +0200)

This version is obviously bogus: the resulting binary behaves like the newest fork (it orphaned several blocks).

But what matters is the protocol version supported:

Code:

terracoind getinfo
{
    "version" : 80000,
    "protocolversion" : 70001,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 104383,
    "timeoffset" : -2,
    "connections" : 12,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 5254.96236407,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1365634022,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}

So to sum things up:

• the repository doesn't have all the files used to build the published binaries (or the versions would match)
• there's no provision to warn users that their code is deprecated (see the "errors" field above? it shouldn't be empty on an orphaned chain)
• everything happened behind the back of miners: their rigs worked for nothing and most still do. Asking for more mining power to secure the coin when most of it is already wasted is ridiculous.

[MaGNeT]

To test things I did two things now:

I sent 0.5 TRC to BTC-E on the old address that I use for a while now.

Then I generated a new address in BTC-E and sent another 0.5 TRC.

All for the sake of science 

Now wait if they show up @ BTC-E... If they don't it's borked?

[dreamwatcher]

As long as I'm on a "nodes banned list" and nobody can explain why, I have all reasons to worry.

I'm trying to mine TRC but it looks broken to me, that's worrying me because I have a shitload of them and I am afraid to send them to BTC-E because I don't know if BTC-E is on the right fork now.

Exactly the reason i wrote what I did. You have probably been on various nodes banned list from time to time throughout your use of crypto-coins and not even noticed.

Anyway, it is fine.

In fact I will go back and strike out my statement, and everybody publish all the node banned lists you want.

It might be slightly entertaining to watch all the panic that might ensue....

Oh, and BTC-E is on the right fork, I have been able to move TRC in since this mourning (I updated all my systems when I updated Cryptocoinexplorer last night). So if your up to date and you block height matches the explorer..go for it.

If you really want to be cautious, backup your wallet. If you are on the forked chain, you will not lose your coins, However it can be a pain in the but to remove the transaction from your wallet so your client does not see the coins as spent. (You can us PYwallet to erase the transactions from a wallet if that happens)

[celkaris]

To test things I did two things now:

I sent 0.5 TRC to BTC-E on the old address that I use for a while now.

Then I generated a new address in BTC-E and sent another 0.5 TRC.

All for the sake of science 

Now wait if they show up @ BTC-E... If they don't it's borked?

unless btc-e simply stops polling the old funding address, once a new one was generated?

[MaGNeT]

As long as I'm on a "nodes banned list" and nobody can explain why, I have all reasons to worry.

I'm trying to mine TRC but it looks broken to me, that's worrying me because I have a shitload of them and I am afraid to send them to BTC-E because I don't know if BTC-E is on the right fork now.

Exactly the reason i wrote what I did. You have probably been on various nodes banned list from time to time throughout your use of crypto-coins and not even noticed.

Anyway, it is fine.

In fact I will go back and strike out my statement, and everybody publish all the node banned lists you want.

It might be slightly entertaining to watch all the panic that might ensue....

Oh, and BTC-E is on the right fork, I have been able to move TRC in since this mourning (I updated all my systems when I updated Cryptocoinexplorer last night). So if your up to date and you block height matches the explorer..go for it.

If you really want to be cautious, backup your wallet. If you are on the forked chain, you will not lose your coins, However it can be a pain in the but to remove the transaction from your wallet so your client does not see the coins as spent. (You can us PYwallet to erase the transactions from a wallet if that happens)

I can confirm BTC-E is on the right chain (or at least on my chain)  

[gyverlb]

If you really want to be cautious, backup your wallet. If you are on the forked chain, you will not lose your coins,

Unless you mined them or mined on a pool using an orphaned chain...

[MaGNeT]

If you really want to be cautious, backup your wallet. If you are on the forked chain, you will not lose your coins,

Unless you mined them or mined on a pool using an orphaned chain...

That happened to 30% of my coins, the other coins matured.
That's one of the reasons I stop mining TRC until it is solved.
I don't like to waste my GPU cycles on an orphaned chain...

[MessyCoin]

Upgrade to newest stable wallet:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/terracoin/files/SatoshiClone/

I'm on Linux, these are useless to me.

git master compiled version shows :
Terracoin version v0.1.2-51-gd147fa7-dirty-beta (2013-04-09 20:48:28 +0200)

This version is obviously bogus: the resulting binary behaves like the newest fork (it orphaned several blocks).

But what matters is the protocol version supported:

Code:

terracoind getinfo
{
    "version" : 80000,
    "protocolversion" : 70001,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 104383,
    "timeoffset" : -2,
    "connections" : 12,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 5254.96236407,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1365634022,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "errors" : ""
}

So to sum things up:

• the repository doesn't have all the files used to build the published binaries (or the versions would match)
• there's no provision to warn users that their code is deprecated (see the "errors" field above? it shouldn't be empty on an orphaned chain)
• everything happened behind the back of miners: their rigs worked for nothing and most still do. Asking for more mining power to secure the coin when most of it is already wasted is ridiculous.

Seems the same to me with my resulting version. So where to get the source so I can compile the latest "mandatory" update?

[gyverlb]

Seems the same to me with my resulting version. So where to get the source so I can compile the latest "mandatory" update?

If the dev didn't miss anything else than updating the version number:

Code:

git clone git://github.com/terracoin/terracoin.git

[MessyCoin]

This version is obviously bogus: the resulting binary behaves like the newest fork (it orphaned several blocks).

Sorry, a bit new to all this.. I thought you meant that the resulting version was "bogus" and not the correct version.

Output of getinfo shows "blocks" : 104383 .. that's the correct block number people are getting on the windows binary?

http://dustcoin.com/mining shows we're up to block 104380 .. which doesn't match.

[MaGNeT]

104397 now, the same as blockchain explorer shows:

http://www.cryptocoinexplorer.com:3750/chain/Terracoin?count=60&hi=104397

Note that difficulty can't drop under 5255.042 since it is hardcoded value in new wallets.

 
So when miners run away, it won't go lower and you'll be mining at a big loss and/or coin dies?

[dreamwatcher]

This version is obviously bogus: the resulting binary behaves like the newest fork (it orphaned several blocks).

Sorry, a bit new to all this.. I thought you meant that the resulting version was "bogus" and not the correct version.

Output of getinfo shows "blocks" : 104383 .. that's the correct block number people are getting on the windows binary?

http://dustcoin.com/mining shows we're up to block 104380 .. which doesn't match.

104397 now.

Yeah, it looks like dustcoin is behind on just more than TRC. The FRC block count is off also.

The PPC count is right, I do know he polls PPC from cryptocoinexplorer. I do not remember if he polls trc and frc too.

I could go look at the logs if it continues to be an issue.

[mr_random]

Note that difficulty can't drop under 5255.042 since it is hardcoded value in new wallets.

What are the potential implications of this?

[dreamwatcher]

Note that difficulty can't drop under 5255.042 since it is hardcoded value in new wallets.

What are the potential implications of this?

If the network hash rate gets too low, blocks will take a long time to solve. This has the effect of slowing down all the transactions.

[SalvorHardin]

I presume that the hardcoded minimum difficulty is done based on the typical hashrate seen throughout the lifetime of TRC network, i.e. around 30~40 G h/s from diehard supporters.  The inability to go lower would significantly reduce the problem of huge numbers of orphan/invalid blocks seen at really low difficulty.  Hopefully, this would enable pools like Coinotron to bring back the TRC pool and make the network more secure.