No Pardon for Ross Ulbricht

[FFrankie]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

What about that swimmer who got 3 months? The judge stepped down and everything if I remember correctly. This case was just too high profile which deemed the sentence. He needed to be made an example of.

[BADecker]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

What about that swimmer who got 3 months? The judge stepped down and everything if I remember correctly. This case was just too high profile which deemed the sentence. He needed to be made an example of.

And, if he does it properly, he can go back and sue those people who gave him the 3 months, and get paid for time spent. He can also get paid for loss of job and whatever else. If Ross ever wakes up to the basic, real, common law, he can make more off suing Government people than he ever dreamed of making off the Silk Road.

[target]

He gets there for life, he got it. But who knows Ross Ulbricht will probably have the chance this time now that its Trump. He still could be free if he'll be noticeably behave inside. A sentence reduced to 25 years is very much acceptable, if I were him I'd be very thankful with it. Having few years left to stay free before him being dead is still worth living  He probably won't spend it to create another silkroad when he's 75 years old.

[Wind_FURY]

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

[BADecker]

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

[Sithara007]

Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

[VapeOil]

Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

Exactly, Ross is a criminal drug lord and Manning was a political prisoner. BIG difference.

[daiyuba1971]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

Economic crimes can have consequences much worse than murder. How many people died because of the global economic crisis? And how many children are not born? I think Obama knew what he was doing. He's a smart President.

[BADecker]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

Economic crimes can have consequences much worse than murder. How many people died because of the global economic crisis? And how many children are not born? I think Obama knew what he was doing. He's a smart President.

Which crime is greater.

Imagine that Government makes a law that says people can't eat cereal for breakfast. Then, Ross goes out and eats cereal for breakfast.

Ross broke the law. Depending on why the law was made, he even might have endangered the life of someone... in the eyes of some of the people and Government.

Then, Government goes against the law and tries and imprisons Ross in ways that are not according to due process... no harmed man or woman on the stand showing his injury.



Think about this, now. Ross might have harmed or endangered the lives of a few people. Or maybe it was a few thousand. Or maybe nobody. But Government has endangered the lives of every American by not following due process when imprisoning Ross. How are the lives of Americans endangered? Now Government can go around accusing anybody of anything and making it stick whether or not that person has harmed anyone, simply by making up some goofy laws that they want to make up.

For thousands of years people have been using drugs, and it was not illegal. Now, all of a sudden, for the last hundred years, drugs are illegal. And Ross, who wasn't taking part in drug sales directly, but was simply hosting a marketing place where anybody could trade stuff, is sent to prison for life for simply hosting the marketing place.

The crime of Government by making stupid drug laws is bad. Their crime against Ross is worse. Their crime against the American people is starting to take on proportions many times the 60 to 100 million people Stalin executed in Russia and Eastern Europe. Why? Because all the Government is doing is supporting the medical... the medical which is killing millions, denying help to more millions, and not even allowing them to use natural drugs that take some of their pain away. And Government is supporting the medical in illegal ways (like with Ross), all for money.

[Wind_FURY]

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.

[BADecker]

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.

Unfortunately, if you don't know that the people, collectively or individually, are stronger than the Government, you have been missing a lot.


Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

[Sithara007]

Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

No one is going to take the extreme risk of pardoning a convicted drug dealer. If they do that, it will be the end of their political career. Ross Ulbricht has been massively demonized in the mainstream media. Now it is impossible to obtain a pardon for him.

Exactly, Ross is a criminal drug lord and Manning was a political prisoner. BIG difference.

Both of them were political prisoners. Ross was not a drug lord. He didn't even handled drugs personally. His crime was that he set up a decentralized market, where people could buy and sell objects without paying a fee to PayPal and MasterCard.

[TicTacTic]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

If he was arrested in the middle East or Asia, it would be all executed. I am against the drug trade. He was arrested on charges proved and therefore, I do not mind it. And stick up for him addicts. Let him go to it!

[Wind_FURY]

I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

Since you put it that way then I agree! Ross Ulbricht should not have gotten involved with their business. He is competing with one of the biggest, wealthiest and ruthless organizations in the world who are also backed by the the people of the United States of America. Ross should have thought twice before starting revolutionary market place for drugs.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.

Most of them are probably owned by the CIA because it is good business.

Watch this first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10. Then forget about a few of the movies you'll watch this month, and get some practical understanding of how American law works at its core. It's 5 hours, but it isn't boring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.

Ross has a way out. Watch, so that if you are ever in trouble with Government, you will know what to do.

No need to watch a 5 hour video. I think I have the gist of how American law works for everyone. It does not work the same for the poor people like us and for the rich elite who have a leverage on the politicians or some of them are friends and can as favors. The whole system is unfairly made against the population so that they can be put under control. Try to think if there was no such system. We would see all the poor killing the rich.

Unfortunately, if you don't know that the people, collectively or individually, are stronger than the Government, you have been missing a lot.


Monty Python- The Annoying Peasant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

Since when are we collectively united? When did we ever have become truly united against the elite and the people in power? Most of the revolutions that toppled governments in history are funded by the same people in the elite who are against the current people in power of their times. Maybe you have been missing a lot because you think you are free but you are nothing but a slave one way or another.

[pixie85]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

If he was arrested in the middle East or Asia, it would be all executed. I am against the drug trade. He was arrested on charges proved and therefore, I do not mind it. And stick up for him addicts. Let him go to it!

Fortunately we do not live in the barbaric middle east, but if we're talking about that part of the world I heard the Afghans are particularly fond of their opium. If Ross were to live there there would be no "drug charges."

[powerofmakers]

He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!

[Sithara007]

He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!

If he was one, then there is no evidence to prove it. The FBI has never claimed that he personally dealt with drugs. He set up an online market place, which was used by a number of users, including a few drug dealers.

[criptix]

He's a drug dealing criminal. Lock him up and throw away the keys!

If he was one, then there is no evidence to prove it. The FBI has never claimed that he personally dealt with drugs. He set up an online market place, which was used by a number of users, including a few drug dealers.

Silk road... few drug sellers.... Lol
I think that russian troll is prob an online drug dealer too. Or a braindead potuser

[chennan]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

I never really understood these types of sentences for someone who didn't actually end someone else's own life. You know, an eye for an eye type of thing.  Even if he actually was doing the actual dealing of drugs online, rather than hosting the site for other drug dealers to use, it doesn't really matter.  Jail, how I believe it should be, is a way to act as a way for "civilized revenge" to take place and a way to sort of rehabilitate people and make sure they won't want to do whatever crime it is they were committing in the first place. 

If Ross was actually dealing drugs... does it seem right to put him in their for life? Rather than let him serve a few years (which is a LONG LONG time in jail) in order to scare him not to do the same thing and allow him to live his life from that point on? Idk... the whole system is fucked anyways, so why not torture him by forcing him to live for 60 years in a cage.

[Wind_FURY]

Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.

I never really understood these types of sentences for someone who didn't actually end someone else's own life. You know, an eye for an eye type of thing.  Even if he actually was doing the actual dealing of drugs online, rather than hosting the site for other drug dealers to use, it doesn't really matter.  Jail, how I believe it should be, is a way to act as a way for "civilized revenge" to take place and a way to sort of rehabilitate people and make sure they won't want to do whatever crime it is they were committing in the first place. 

If Ross was actually dealing drugs... does it seem right to put him in their for life? Rather than let him serve a few years (which is a LONG LONG time in jail) in order to scare him not to do the same thing and allow him to live his life from that point on? Idk... the whole system is fucked anyways, so why not torture him by forcing him to live for 60 years in a cage.

The sentence was not meant to scare him. It was meant to scare everyone from using and dealing in the dark markets. The US government also has a knack for overkill. So of course a life sentence for him is very unfair. He is just an entrepreneur who saw a gap in the market and took that opportunity to start something new and brilliant. Do you think dark markets will go away soon? No it is growing into a multi billion dollar market.