Bitcoin petition to stop US gov from interfering

[LouReed]

I did a search, and didn't see this posted anywhere here, so here it is. If its been posted already, feel free to remove. It doesn't look like there's much chance of reaching the goal, but ya never know!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-all-actions-overt-or-covert-intended-interfere-free-market-enterprises-bitcoin-and-mt-gox/P0X41V1X

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Seems like this will only cause more trouble than its worth. The legal situation will play out in time.

[CasinoBit]

Call me paranoid but I wouldn't sign that and link that to my real identity.

[Mike Christ]

LOL

Asking a government to stay out?  GFL.  If they really wanted to, they'll simply use the "terrorism" clause and push their agenda that way.  After all, we all signed over our freedoms for the battle of "terrorism".  It works like this: stop believing the government has any power, and they'll cease to have power.  If you believe Bitcoin is right, you don't need a higher authority to authenticate your belief, not God, nor man.  Asking them "please, please stop bothering us!" with a petition is just advocating the state as something which has power.

[scintill]

I have seen claims that the hard fork was cased by the FBI because Gavin had apparently met with them a few days before.

A quick Google didn't net me any evidence of Gavin talking to FBI, but Gavin did present to CIA about 2 years ago, in a series with several other payment processors.

[mintybits]

I'm actually quite suprised there hasn't been any posts about this.  It's funny, the day before the recent "crash" I read an article somewhere about how the Government was going to do exactly what the OP of that petition wrote.  Honestly tho, it makes total sense.  We had a huge jump from 140-190, then 240...  Somone spent a lot of fiat to blow this thing up, and the coordinated news stories are just too damn "coincidental" to believe.  They don't mention that on the whole bitcoin is up A LOT on the year, even after the "crash".

Let's not pretend that bitcoin doesn't pose a huge threat to TPTB, and trying to stomp it out before it even starts is just a no brainer.  They'll do it again too...

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

04/10/2013

The Plot to Criminalize Bitcoin

How do you criminalize bitcoin? The same way you get guns banned: Plan an attack, make sure lots of people get hurt, roll out all the victims in front of the cameras, then use the sob stories as moral justification to crack down with oppressive new laws.

This is the agenda being planned right now with bitcoin. The recipe works like this:

Step 1) Central banks buy up massive quantities of bitcoin currency, driving the prices into the stratosphere and encouraging millions of people around the world to jump on board the “get rich” bandwagon.

Step 2) Once bitcoin valuations reach a sufficient level of insanity, start a massive selloff by dumping the bitcoins you already bought onto the market, offering them for sale at any price (i.e. sell into falling prices, accelerating the loss in valuations).

Step 3) Watch panic take hold as the bitcoin crash accelerates, ending in a catastrophic wipeout of “valuation” of all bitcoins.

Step 4) Find “victims” of the bitcoin crash who can tell a good sob story for the mainstream media about how they invested little Johnny’s college money in bitcoin and lost it all. Roll them out on CNN and MSNBC where they cry on camera and talk about how they were ripped off by bitcoin and now they only trust the government from now on.

Step 5) Demonize bitcoin by characterizing it as a “libertarian pyramid scheme.” Lash out against both decentralized currencies and libertarians.

Step 6) Once the demonization gains traction, have traitors in the U.S. Congress announce a “Consumer Currency Protection Act” that outlaws non-central bank currencies such as bitcoin. It’s all “for your safety,” of course. Shut down all online bitcoin wallets and exchanges, calling them “criminal pyramid schemes” and arrest a few people using bitcoin to send a warning message to the rest.

Mission accomplished! You’ve now made bitcoin look like a “pyramid scheme,” you’ve scared the public into being wary of “anti-government currencies,” and you’ve criminalized their use by consumers.

read the rest here: https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/how-the-looming-bitcoin-crash-will-be-exploited-by-globalists-to-outlaw-decentralized-crypto-currencies/

[BTCisthefuture]

[Bitobsessed]

LOL

Asking a government to stay out?  GFL.  If they really wanted to, they'll simply use the "terrorism" clause and push their agenda that way.  After all, we all signed over our freedoms for the battle of "terrorism".  It works like this: stop believing the government has any power, and they'll cease to have power.  If you believe Bitcoin is right, you don't need a higher authority to authenticate your belief, not God, nor man.  Asking them "please, please stop bothering us!" with a petition is just advocating the state as something which has power.

they can use any laws they want but it cannot stop it.  Agenda, choose your words wisely, because it can only go so far when the world is against them. We are all looking to an alternative.

[mintybits]

http://www.linenoiz.com/pics/funny/its_a_conspiracy.jpg

I love it when people can't even bother to mount a written ad hominem attack and go staight for a stupid picture without even one shread of thought or argument.

[Mike Christ]

they can use any laws they want but it cannot stop it.  Agenda, choose your words wisely, because it can only go so far when the world is against them. We are all looking to an alternative.

The world's already against them; problem is, we never had any power to resist.

That is, until now.

[superdork]

I honestly don't think the government gives a shit about a petition 

If the elites want to do something they will just lie and say a study said that the majority of people are in favor of making it illegal, claim bitcoin funds terrorism, drugs and organized gang rape etc.

[Mike Christ]

I honestly don't think the government gives a shit about a petition 

If the elites want to do something they will just lie and say a study said that the majority of people are in favor of making it illegal, claim bitcoin funds terrorism, drugs and organized gang rape etc.

They're already doing that with the media.  The media knows next to nothing about Bitcoin, but they don't have to, as long as they can tell you what to think and how to think of it.  Better you form your opinions from them, than on your own, if we're considering the mindset of the media.

[ralree]

I love it when people can't even bother to mount a written ad hominem attack and go staight for a stupid picture without even one shread of thought or argument.

I found it effective.

[silzero]

Oh! Bitcoin already has a negative image in general press. Who in their right mind would accuse the government of interfering without solid proof?
And: Mt Gox is fair game to US because it based in outside of US.
Can the owner take the petition down or change it to something positive? (Just hopin' they're reading)

Instead make a petition to request comment on the legality.

-SZ

[CasinoBit]

I'm actually quite suprised there hasn't been any posts about this.  It's funny, the day before the recent "crash" I read an article somewhere about how the Government was going to do exactly what the OP of that petition wrote.  Honestly tho, it makes total sense.  We had a huge jump from 140-190, then 240...  Somone spent a lot of fiat to blow this thing up, and the coordinated news stories are just too damn "coincidental" to believe.  They don't mention that on the whole bitcoin is up A LOT on the year, even after the "crash".

Let's not pretend that bitcoin doesn't pose a huge threat to TPTB, and trying to stomp it out before it even starts is just a no brainer.  They'll do it again too...

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

04/10/2013

The Plot to Criminalize Bitcoin

How do you criminalize bitcoin? The same way you get guns banned: Plan an attack, make sure lots of people get hurt, roll out all the victims in front of the cameras, then use the sob stories as moral justification to crack down with oppressive new laws.

This is the agenda being planned right now with bitcoin. The recipe works like this:

Step 1) Central banks buy up massive quantities of bitcoin currency, driving the prices into the stratosphere and encouraging millions of people around the world to jump on board the “get rich” bandwagon.

Step 2) Once bitcoin valuations reach a sufficient level of insanity, start a massive selloff by dumping the bitcoins you already bought onto the market, offering them for sale at any price (i.e. sell into falling prices, accelerating the loss in valuations).

Step 3) Watch panic take hold as the bitcoin crash accelerates, ending in a catastrophic wipeout of “valuation” of all bitcoins.

Step 4) Find “victims” of the bitcoin crash who can tell a good sob story for the mainstream media about how they invested little Johnny’s college money in bitcoin and lost it all. Roll them out on CNN and MSNBC where they cry on camera and talk about how they were ripped off by bitcoin and now they only trust the government from now on.

Step 5) Demonize bitcoin by characterizing it as a “libertarian pyramid scheme.” Lash out against both decentralized currencies and libertarians.

Step 6) Once the demonization gains traction, have traitors in the U.S. Congress announce a “Consumer Currency Protection Act” that outlaws non-central bank currencies such as bitcoin. It’s all “for your safety,” of course. Shut down all online bitcoin wallets and exchanges, calling them “criminal pyramid schemes” and arrest a few people using bitcoin to send a warning message to the rest.

Mission accomplished! You’ve now made bitcoin look like a “pyramid scheme,” you’ve scared the public into being wary of “anti-government currencies,” and you’ve criminalized their use by consumers.

read the rest here: https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/how-the-looming-bitcoin-crash-will-be-exploited-by-globalists-to-outlaw-decentralized-crypto-currencies/

Sounds pretty solid, of course they could do this in a more cheaper/simple way. Just plan another shooting, the gun was bought using bitcoins, "anti-terrorist" laws etc.

[mintybits]

Who in their right mind would accuse the government of interfering without solid proof?

 
Governments operate on the theory of plausible denial ability, so no one is going to see any "proof".  You realize the CIA employs "economic hitmen" that take down whole countries, right?  Bitcoin would be joke in comparison.

You don't mess with the kings feds money and bitcoin is doing just that.
 
I think the question we should be asking is who had the most to gain by pumping and dumping (seems like "someone" really threw down a lot of fiat about 3 days before the "correction").  Also, who has the vast media influence to make the crash virtually front page news in most major publications around the world in short order?
 
It's kind-of like the cops finding no "solid proof" on a cheating, alcoholic, wife abusing husband when his wife comes up dead.

[BTCisthefuture]

I love it when people can't even bother to mount a written ad hominem attack and go staight for a stupid picture without even one shread of thought or argument.

If i thought a silly petition like this was worth arguing over debating I would have done so.  I didn't think it was though so I just posted a funny picture.

[BTCisthefuture]

On a side note.... why do people in America think everything revolves around America and the American government.

1) The American government has shown little to no intent on messing with bitcoin aside from a few politicians who wanted the silk road banned. In fact it's been the opposite, the government has recently provided some groundwork for exchanges to follow, showing more of an acceptance to bitcoin then a desire to shut it down.

2) If there was a government that wanted to shut down Bitcoin by diong DDOS I can think of quite a few more countries who would be a more likely culprit than America.  China for example is the exact type of government that would HATE bitcoin and they also have the power to carry out a massive DDOS.

[silzero]

Who in their right mind would accuse the government of interfering without solid proof?

 
Governments operate on the theory of plausible denial ability, so no one is going to see any "proof".  You realize the CIA employs "economic hitmen" that take down whole countries, right?  Bitcoin would be joke in comparison.

Right. That's that why either you don't squabble with them with a silly petition or tough it up and provide the 'proof'.
Silly waste of time the petition, does more harm than good.

I think the question we should be asking is who had the most to gain by pumping and dumping (seems like "someone" really threw down a lot of fiat about 3 days before the "correction").  Also, who has the vast media influence to make the crash virtually front page news in most major publications around the world in short order?
 

Instead we have this petition.

It's kind-of like the cops finding no "solid proof" on a cheating, alcoholic, wife abusing husband when his wife comes up dead.

The government is not Bitcoin's husband. A husband has no plausible deniability and they are suspect #1. What's your point?

[mintybits]

   

If i thought a silly petition like this was worth arguing over debating I would have done so.

 
  
Just to be clear:  I think the petition is silly too, but the idea the government would attack bitcoin is very plausible, especially with all the media momentum it had garnered since Cyprus.  Like I said above, good luck finding proof; so by definition it IS a "conspiracy theory", but so was the Gulf of Tonkin incident until recently.
 

On a side note.... why do people in America think everything revolves around America and the American government.
 
1) The American government has shown little to no intent on messing with bitcoin aside from a few politicians who wanted the silk road banned. In fact it's been the opposite, the government has recently provided some groundwork for exchanges to follow, showing more of an acceptance to bitcoin then a desire to shut it down.

 
It's because the greenback is the reserve currency for the world.  If countries start loosing faith in the dollar, then the US Government is going to be in an even bigger pickle then they are now--it's a matter of national security.  The whole petrodollar thing first shocked me when I learned about it, but then it became so clear why we fight some of these stupid wars.  It's not just about the oil and the military contractors, but about the fact we make countries accept only dollars for their oil.  Imagine how much less the dollar would be worth if it wasn't mandated for OPEC countries?  It's all about keeping federal reserve notes as the worlds reserve currency.
 

2) If there was a government that wanted to shut down Bitcoin by diong DDOS I can think of quite a few more countries who would be a more likely culprit than America.  China for example is the exact type of government that would HATE bitcoin and they also have the power to carry out a massive DDOS.

 
While China does posses substantial cyber threats, the US about 3 months ago activated 3,000 offensive "cyber warriors".  You bet your ass they have some serious DDoSing servers ready to go all around the world at a moments notice.  Bitcoin adoption in China per capita is very low compared to the US.