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[kokjo]

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number.

[myrkul]

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number.

And? I'm not a communist.

[kokjo]

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number.

And? I'm not a communist.

the idea still applies, large societies needs structure(evil government) to function.

[myrkul]

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number.

And? I'm not a communist.

the idea still applies, large societies needs structure(evil government) to function.

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

[kokjo]

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number.

And? I'm not a communist.

the idea still applies, large societies needs structure(evil government) to function.

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

[myrkul]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

[kokjo]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

[myrkul]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

Just ignore anything that disagrees with your opinion, huh?

[kokjo]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

Just ignore anything that disagrees with your opinion, huh?

whatever man. Believe what ever makes you happy, its the same.

[myrkul]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

Just ignore anything that disagrees with your opinion, huh?

whatever man. Believe what ever makes you happy, its the same.

Whatever, man. Believe whatever makes you happy, it's not.

[Anon136]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

Dude, government is not a synonym for structure,

What you are doing here is like looking at a soccer game where some guy with a gun is forcing everyone to play by the rules of soccer and then interpreting this as evidence that the only way a game of soccer could ever be played is if there is someone with a gun who is willing to enforce the rules of soccer.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

Structure, yes. Evil government, no.

You still haven't researched AnCap in the least, have you?

Structure/Government, Potato/Potato.

Nope. Government has some very specific characteristics.
1. It claims a regional monopoly on the industries of justice and defense.
2. It enforces this monopoly with violence.
3. It provides some services to the populace living within it's regional monopoly without giving them the option of opting out.
4. It extracts payment for these services from the populace living within it's regional monopoly by force.

Structure can be provided to a society without those features.

bla bla bla, essentially: Potato/Potato.

Just ignore anything that disagrees with your opinion, huh?

whatever man. Believe what ever makes you happy, its the same.

What is slavery?
If I own a slave, I can take their possessions, kill them, imprison them, reduce their freedom of mobility, as I see fit.
Now, I live under a government that can do all of these things, "legally", except for kill me.
50%+ of the money I earn winds up not paying for the goods and services I consume, but rather, winds up in the hands of the state.  That means 50%+ of my working life, I am working at the behest and for the profit of others, under threat of taking all my stuff and throwing me in prison, ergo, I am a slave, at least most of the labor I do is not for me, but for a master who holds a whip, and guns, and radios, and prisons.
You too are a slave, and no matter how you talk about how pretty the gilded bars of your prison are, you will remain a slave, and a willing one to boot.
Once you see the bars of the gilded cage, you cannot unsee them.
You would no doubt be happy in the "Village" from the show "The Prisoner".
Fool.

[myrkul]

If I own a slave, I can take their possessions, kill them, imprison them, reduce their freedom of mobility, as I see fit.
Now, I live under a government that can do all of these things, "legally", except for kill me.

All they have to do to kill you is call you a "terrorist," and suddenly it's "legal", too.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

If I own a slave, I can take their possessions, kill them, imprison them, reduce their freedom of mobility, as I see fit.
Now, I live under a government that can do all of these things, "legally", except for kill me.

All they have to do to kill you is call you a "terrorist," and suddenly it's "legal", too.

Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

[Mike Christ]

Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

Most are trained to believe they're free simply because they live in America.  Thanks to this brainwashing, you get people like Viceroy, who believe "freedom" can only be achieved through being an American citizen.

I'm not kidding, either.  This is seriously what people believe here.

[myrkul]

If I own a slave, I can take their possessions, kill them, imprison them, reduce their freedom of mobility, as I see fit.
Now, I live under a government that can do all of these things, "legally", except for kill me.

All they have to do to kill you is call you a "terrorist," and suddenly it's "legal", too.

Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

“Freedom requires effort if it is to be won and vigilance if it is to be maintained. People just don't value freedom until it is taken away.”
― Terry Goodkind, Faith of the Fallen

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

Most are trained to believe they're free simply because they live in America.  Thanks to this brainwashing, you get people like Viceroy, who believe "freedom" can only be achieved through being an American citizen.

I'm not kidding, either.  This is seriously what people believe here.

Most Canadians, and Europeans, for that matter, don't seem to mind slavery, and approve of state-funded health-care, etc.  In the USA, it (according to the last election), seems to be a 50/50 split.  Bread and circuses, and all that.

[myrkul]

Most Canadians, and Europeans, for that matter, don't seem to mind slavery, and approve of state-funded health-care, etc.  In the USA, it (according to the last election), seems to be a 50/50 split.  Bread and circuses, and all that.

The other half of Americans just want a different flavor of slavery.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

If I own a slave, I can take their possessions, kill them, imprison them, reduce their freedom of mobility, as I see fit.
Now, I live under a government that can do all of these things, "legally", except for kill me.

All they have to do to kill you is call you a "terrorist," and suddenly it's "legal", too.

Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

“Freedom requires effort if it is to be won and vigilance if it is to be maintained. People just don't value freedom until it is taken away.”
― Terry Goodkind, Faith of the Fallen

The gilded bars seem to have hypnotized most of the West, to the detriment of freedom.  In Canada, if I distill my own booze, the citizens will call me a bootlegger, and be happy to see me imprisoned.  If I grow more than 15 kilos of tobacco on my land, I am a criminal here, and don't get me going about self-defense, and gun ownership here.  Here, folk think guns are bad, as if an inanimate piece of metal can have values.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

Most Canadians, and Europeans, for that matter, don't seem to mind slavery, and approve of state-funded health-care, etc.  In the USA, it (according to the last election), seems to be a 50/50 split.  Bread and circuses, and all that.

The other half of Americans just want a different flavor of slavery.

Most of the planet seems to be happy as slaves.  They think it is either slave or owner.  Watch as Koko completely ignores my point.  They would kill millions to ensure their grip on power, and have done so repeatedly, and we freedom lovers are labeled as extremists.  This is why I moved out to the woods, and do not subscribe to state-sponsored monopolies supplying electricity or water.  It's hard in Quebec, but my principles demand it.

Myrkul, Christ, Rassah, and others here, are real freedom lovers.
Koko, are you a slave, or a collaborator?