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January 31, 2017, 02:19:03 AM
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I have been reading up on attempts posted on this forum to give individuals access to futures markets with Bitcoin and it's got many problems. However I think I have found a good way around it - but trust is an issue as ever.

I have spent the majority of my adult career trading stocks and futures and making both technical and fundamental calls across asset classes in the financial markets.

I have been waiting for my entry point for some time and I believe that we are seeing a major turning point in global equities. There is a huge amount of gathering unease and unrest and the powers that be have really run out of magic bullets, excepting the fact that war is the final QE, but still smashes markets.

I'd be very interested to hear if the below idea is of interest to anyone.

I have formulated an investment "fund" (although not a fund obviously) which can be invested in by users of this forum by username alone and which will allow those wishing to to get short exposure to the global markets while remaining anonymous. Payouts will be made on request in BTC to user provided wallets allowing anonymity to be maintained.

I have created a range of assets in order to do this, these are comprised of leveraged and unleveraged bearish positions in the futures markets all of which are directional plays on a downturn in the global financial system, with the main bread coming from short equity indices.

The fee to do this is 5% of funds invested, this allows 3% for costs and 2% for management fees.

The maximum I can accommodate on my PA is 200 BTC, max investment for any individual user account is 10 BTC.

There are 4 strategies to choose from as follows: Double short indices in fiat, Double short indices in BTC, Quadruple Short indices in Fiat, Quadruple Short indices in BTC.

Double Short pays double your investment in the event of a 100% decline from 2300 in the S and P 500 index, and goes to zero at a 50% increase
Quadruple pays double at a 25% decrease in the S and P 500 index and goes to zero at a 25% increase

I have the ability to get this exposure right now and am happy to share this with the community for those wanting another way to grow their BTC holdings from coming market turmoil.

Minimum buy in without bitcoin exposure is 1 BTC, with bitcoin exposure it's 2 BTC, for amounts less than this it is really not worth the hassle.

Withdrawals can be made at any time with 12 hours notice (should be sooner).

I am going to commence quoting these two funds at inception which is settlement of the final day of the month of January (US close today/tomorrow). The funds will be requoted daily with performance since inception.

I am sure there will be lots of FUD about something requiring this much trust from the outset but I'm doing this because I think it is a valuable thing that the community is currently missing, I am running my own funds in the quadruple leveraged strategy.

Eager to hear thoughts, questions, views and for anything market/identity sensitive please don't hesitate to pm me.

Many thanks for your attention,

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February 02, 2017, 03:13:18 AM
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what is this the thread
you want open investment with miniumum invest 1 bitcoin maximum 10 bitcoin/person
how much reward or profit can youre share to investor

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February 02, 2017, 03:26:07 AM
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This forum is dedicated to bitcoin speculation, not global equities.
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February 02, 2017, 08:19:22 AM
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lol,

math court needed, or scam to be revised.

good luck shorting a perma bull market since more than one century
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February 02, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
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February 02, 2017, 10:11:43 AM
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LOL, who would use their BTC to invest in unregistered, unproven hedge funds?
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February 02, 2017, 03:13:25 PM
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what is this the thread
you want open investment with miniumum invest 1 bitcoin maximum 10 bitcoin/person
how much reward or profit can youre share to investor

The main issue is the lack of access to the markets, and having the ability to make money from downside in the global markets.

Many I am aware of hold all of their money in Bitcoin and there is no vehicle that I am aware of which enables them to get access to markets without going through the conventional financial system.

The returns are aligned to downward movement in the equities markets in percentage terms, with draw downs aligned to upward movement.
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February 02, 2017, 03:21:48 PM
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This forum is dedicated to bitcoin speculation, not global equities.

"It's going up"

The end Smiley

No but seriously I would have thought that downside speculation on global equities is pretty much akin to upside speculation on bitcoin, no?
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February 02, 2017, 03:25:53 PM
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I don't think shorting the market is necessarily a bad idea (though you could easily get crushed).  But I wouldn't spend bitcoin to do it, nor would I trust some random guy on bitcointalk to do it for me.  Not in a million lifetimes.

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February 02, 2017, 03:40:48 PM
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I don't think shorting the market is necessarily a bad idea (though you could easily get crushed).  But I wouldn't spend bitcoin to do it, nor would I trust some random guy on bitcointalk to do it for me.  Not in a million lifetimes.

Sit down and relax. We are actually watching an average joe with no understanding of financial market trying to scam another average joe with the same amount of understanding. you don't see that everyday.
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February 02, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
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lol,

math court needed, or scam to be revised.

good luck shorting a perma bull market since more than one century

Well I wish you success with your long position
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February 02, 2017, 03:48:56 PM
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I don't think shorting the market is necessarily a bad idea (though you could easily get crushed).  But I wouldn't spend bitcoin to do it, nor would I trust some random guy on bitcointalk to do it for me.  Not in a million lifetimes.

Totally fair. You can find out more about me and what I'd be doing with the funds if you have any interest. I was simply putting it out there as a service I could offer this community in case anyone wanted it.

I would not be much of a speculator if I expected zero hostility...
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February 02, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
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LOL, who would use their BTC to invest in unregistered, unproven hedge funds?

It's merely a bearish position on global equities. The hedge fund is certainly not available to anonymous investors.
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February 02, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
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I was thinking about going full disclosure on AUM and P/L here if it was something of interest. Obviously if we can't get over the fact that I might be a scumbag trying to nick everyone's money then it's definitely dead in the water...
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Last edit: February 03, 2017, 01:29:52 AM by Pseudo-Random
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I have been waiting for my entry point for some time and I believe that we are seeing a major turning point in global equities. There is a huge amount of gathering unease and unrest and the powers that be have really run out of magic bullets, excepting the fact that war is the final QE, but still smashes markets.

As many have been.

Of course the current global index markets' over-valuation levels' sustainability always certainly remains in question. But on the other hand ZeroHedge & the like have spent 8 years betting against markets and losing. "Any time now" can take longer than one's ability to remain solvent/stave away margin calls.

There will be serious corrections, very likely this year in fact - but to underestimate the immense, extortive and overbearing power the modern major governments have accumulated by now, is not a mistake I would make.


Salient excerpt from an 'armchair expert' found the other day ->

"Look- the international monetary system "collapses" every 40 years or so. Of course it will happen at some point but I don't think that's the nightmare scenario the libertarians think it will be...

What's likely to happen is a black swan event that forces world leaders together in a bretton woods type event. 2 weeks later everything will be back to normal for the most part.

The IMF will probably step in and reinject the central banks with liquidity using the SDR, or Special Drawing Rights. Who knows what that will do to the dollar and markets, but outright <collapse> is probably unlikely.

Higher taxes. Probably some inflation at some point. Few more banks go bust. Some confidence is lost. Negative Interest Rates. Debt restructuring. Another 50% correction in the stock market.

That's about as close to "collapse" as we will see."




I have been reading up on attempts posted on this forum to give individuals access to futures markets with Bitcoin and it's got many problems.

And those problems have been solved in a far more professional, secure, efficient and intelligent way than by sending wealth anonymously to strangers on BitcoinTalk.

For almost 5 years now these platforms and many more have provided solutions to those who wish to margin-trade on the price movements of forex, futures, individual stocks, & cryptocurrencies, using a bitcoin-based balance as unit of account & deposit/withdrawal method.



However I think I have found a good way around it -

And they have found far, far better way.

A cursory search on these very boards would have revealed that these brokers even maintain a presence on here to inform bitcoiners of their services.

Newer entrants to this space whose solvency, reliability & counterparty trustworthiness remain highly untested, include MuEX.io (/Forex) & WhalePool.io.

My favorite is 1Broker.


..but trust is an issue as ever.

As I would hope it would be, to say the least O.O

Otherwise, why don't we send envelopes with cash, cheques, debit cards via the postal service, or send PayPal transfers to one another to let a manager commingle funds together and trade forex/stocks for all of us together, since the 20th century..?? Just because decentralized blockchain-based value tokens have no built-in feature to access global markets doesn't mean one should send theirs to some manager for them to trade on the sender's behalf.

No offense - but, interestingly, if I wanted to make an effective ponzi pitch without triggering the usual, well-sharpened alarm bells, I would employ the very tone and appearance this OP has made here - like an old fogey completely clueless as to the perils of internet anonymity and base human natures, appealing to innocent, naive goodness (and make no mistake - there are indeed many who do have a proud moral code & only noble intentions, in the world, still - but they are far from the majority) - quite like the infamous Nigerian Prince emails we're all devilishly acquainted with.

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