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Start the clock. "GM didn't kill herself" in 3...2...1...

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Everyone here will love Blockstream,

Not everyone.

Disclosures:  I have no connection to Blockstream.  I do appreciate some of the stuff they’ve done, I respect some of the current or former Blockstream principals, and I think they were smeared very badly by ridiculous FUD in the Fork Wars.  For that last reason, I tend to be defensive of them.

their Blockstream Satellite project which is essentially altruism (not only B2C, but made to help poor people in poor countries use Bitcoin!),

A hype project that has helped nobody and makes no sense.

I hear a rich person in rich country talking.  Marie Antoinette never said “let them eat cake”—that is a propaganda smear-attack against her.  But I hear you implying, “let them eat cake”.

Have you ever lived in a situation where downloading the entire Bitcoin blockchain from the Internet, and keeping up with blocks, would be cost-prohibitive in terms of bandwidth?  It is not a rare situation.  Not a corner case.  I think that the worldwide majority of people are probably in that situation.

Satellite TV dishes are ubiquitous.  Surprising and disturbing, but true.  They can be repurposed for this, with a few parts that fit into a poverty-level budget.  Now, at least, you can have the BYOB security of consensus-validating the blockchain yourself.  To make transactions, use your mobile data connection that has kbps speed, and costs money you can’t afford billed by the kilobyte.  Although it is not ideal from a decentralization viewpoint, it gets your foot in the door.

Still makes no sense?

Not going to say where I live, but I know what it’s like to be poor; and I myself have done “Be Your Own Bank” stuff when I was practically bankrupt, using cast-off trash hardware that would make most people’s jaws drop.  I always take it a little bit personally when I see people (worst of all, Silicon Valley devs) behave as if everyone in the world has current-gen many-core CPUs, unlimited gigabytes of RAM, terabytes of fast SSDs, and vast amounts of inexpensive, low-latency Internet bandwidth.

Blockstream’s advertised primary use case for Satellite makes excellent sense.

well—where does Blockstream make their money?  I don’t know their internal structure or their financials (none of my business!), but I plausibly guess that their bread and butter is Liquid, and their Lightning infrastructure projects, and their hosted mining—all B2B, and/or for very wealthy customers.

VC capital. None of their stuff makes money AFAIK (I believe they do some mining but that's not their core business). More people should be asking questions like this.

Not wanting to dig too deeply into others’ private business, just wondering aloud and wildly speculating:  What if their primary business strategy is HODL?  They probably have a large amount of BTC.  “Altruism” projects are thus self-interested, insofar as anything that helps to grow the Bitcoin ecosystem increases the value of BTC.

I emphasize that the following is speculation.  I have no real information about how Blockstream makes money, or how much they make, or whether or not they make any money at all.  Just thinking aloud.

What do you do if you have a large amount of BTC and high technical competence, and you want to build your BTC’s long-term fundamental value?

  • Fund Bitcoin Core development—in effect.  A few posts ago, I observed that in principle (regardless of any questions about the implementation), the Zcash “dev tax” is not altogether a bad idea.  Developers need to be paid somehow.

    Some (not all) people who opine in WO are only luser-level Bitcoiners.  They have no idea how Bitcoin happens.  They behave as if Bitcoin just falls out of the sky—a freebie.

    Bitcoin has long had a problem with paying people who pour their lives into maintaining and improving Bitcoin where it most counts:  Bitcoin Core.  I have had many behind-the-scenes discussions about this.  Some Bitcoin investors are very thoughtful; I once had a BTC whale ask my advice on how best to fund Core development, as a concrete “where should I send money?” question.  (My reply was that I was not the right person to ask—sorry to disappoint.)  Some Bitcoin businesses and exchanges are also good about funding Core development.  They know the foundation on which their profits must rely.  I will not spend the time digging around for this post, but I have seen somewhere at various times some good analyses of which businesses and which exchanges contribute the most—whether with funding grants, or by having employees on their payrolls who are effectually paid to work on Core.  DYOR.

    Now, consider this:  Some of the current or former most-active Core contributors are current or former Blockstream employees.

    That is not cause for a Blockstream conspiracy theory.  It is cause for recognizing that if you want top-flight coders to work full-time on a free, open-source project, they need to be paid somehow.

    (P.S., aside:  cAPSLOCK, Bitcoin has no “dev tax”.  So, how much have you donated to support Bitcoin Core development?)
  • Pay for other “public goods” infrastructure projects like Blockstream Satellite.  Many people will laugh at you.  DGAF.  Do it anyway.  Bitcoin has no government raising taxes to pay for “public goods” infrastructure.  In practice, Blockstream is thereby doing what libertarians and ancaps preach:  A private company is apparently wasting money on unprofitable public goods, out of long-term rational self-interest.  Blockstream Satellite helps to make Bitcoin ubiquitous.
  • Liquid, Lightning, etc.  Same principle in action.  Build infrastructure that otherwise won’t get built.

AFAIK, Liquid is the only existing viable solution if Exchange A wants to settle a big block of BTC with Exchange B—without FUDding the market with whalewatcher idiots on Twitter posting the txid, using it to predict either moon or dump.  Liquid’s privacy sucks—it is not a privacy chain; but at least, it uses CT to avoid leaking the amounts being transferred.  No, Liquid is not really decentralized; centralized exchanges, et al. are not exactly known for being idealistic purists about decentralization.

(Or, um...  Use centralized-idiocy-WBTC on Ethereum, and run it through Tornado.Cash!  Seriously.  Better:  Use wrapped BTC tokens on Solana, which has negligible fees—and which will soon have zero-knowledge privacy for tokens.)

I don’t know if or how Blockstream earns any significant revenue directly from Liquid.  I am simply observing that it is useful.  Useful to big businesses.  Seems not-stupid of them?

IMO, their Lightning infrastructure stuff is more of a “hype” issue.  I would need asbestos underwear to explain my opinion in rational, constructive terms here.  Don’t get me wrong—I think that Lightning is good technology, and I am glad that Blockstream pours money into supporting it.  (Developers need to be paid somehow.)  I simply have no illusions that Lightning will take over the world Any Day Now(TM).  Moreover, I recognize in principle the plain fact that anything on L2 has limitations and trade-offs.

Some things should be done on a Lightning-style L2.  But it is not a panacea for scaling ailments.  No magic bullet.  The always-online hot-wallet requirement itself kills many use cases—and it results in practice in many users relying on totally centralized Lightning “wallets”.  How is that different than shitcoins that use hype about “decentralization” as a veneer to hide centralization?  The channel liquidity requirements are even worse—ironically, all of the chatter from Lightning-fans about Lightning as “Bitcoin’s POS” tend to illustrate my worst criticism of Lightning.  POS economics are inherently corrupt!

Many of the centralized-“wallet” problems can be fixed, in the long term.  Blockstream helps with that, by paying developers who work on relevant projects that >99% of people don’t even know exist.  The channel liquidity requirements are fundamental to how Lightning works, so cannot be fixed.  All in all, I think that Lightning will be one important tool for scaling Bitcoin use in mass-adoption—an important tool, but only one tool.

I am guessing that Blockstream’s activities with Lightning probably make them some money in the short term.  Their support for Lightning definitely adds value to BTC in the long term.
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The year is 2030:

'Anon, why didn't you pickup some Bitcoin when it entered the oversold pink box on MVRV Z?'

'Because it was definitely going much lower.'
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Start the clock. "GM didn't kill herself" in 3...2...1...




Jizzmotorway 2 da Max, well.



.... I wish her....well.


lols


ps, did you know this bitch be not just a pilot, but also a submarine captain ? (I am assuming also a yacht master too)


(obvs Lil St James had a submarine port..... and so did another nearby island..... whaddya think that was all about anon ?)


pps, Jeffery just took over operations from (Jizzmotorways daddy in their honeypot operation) Robert, courtesy of "our friends" at ...(cannot be spoken)


Cannot make this shit up really ...Reality is indeed waaaaaaay beyond fiction, and often.
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Hmm a risky approach there empowering. Your lack of fear will be disturbing. Courage being contagious and all, they may extinguish the fire that is you before it spreads Sad


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If a person was going to operate on the dark net, it would make sense to
a) never brag or talk about anything to do with it , ever , in RL, or on the internets, even using a pseudonym
b) never use any RL indentifiers ever
c) use cash bought throw away notebooks, cycle for new every x weeks
d) use TOR but also through a fresh temporary OS live install from a USB , i.e TAILs or live linux distro - close down after every use
e) never use their own internet connection or one tied to you in anyway (even better super dark satellite phone in a moving car on motorway)
f) have a distributed distribution network (the weakest point and really to pull off needs organised connections)
g) create brand names but cycle their darksite operations (better yet use openbazzar etc in future)
h) be paranoid and reclusive
i) not get involved unless they have super discipline

Congratulations, that constitutes probable cause. All your communications are now being closely followed. Jurisdiction is irrelevant. The recordings of all your phone, cell phone and internet useage during the past five years will be analyzed for possible illegal activity. You should assume that encryption provided by your VPN is backdoored.

Yes,  no shit? and to think I had not thought about that, nor that I assume my communications are already monitored along with everyone elses.

And what will they achieve? absolutely sweet fuck all.... they will waste their time and resources and at the end of it have an idea that I like to eat, sleep, shit, work, talk on forums, fuck, drink and occasionally on special occasions get high... tbh they could just ask... it would be less hassle.

If they want to send a special access team over, the key is under the mat.





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Start the clock. "GM didn't kill herself" in 3...2...1...




Jizzmotorway 2 da Max, well.



.... I wish her....well.


lols


ps, did you know this bitch be not just a pilot, but also a submarine captain ? (I am assuming also a yacht master too)


(obvs Lil St James had a submarine port..... and so did another nearby island..... whaddya think that was all about anon ?)


pps, Jeffery just took over operations from (Jizzmotorways daddy in their honeypot operation) Robert, courtesy of "our friends" at ...(cannot be spoken)


Cannot make this shit up really ...Reality is indeed waaaaaaay beyond fiction, and often.

I have no problem with what you are saying.. or that you have an opinion that accused people are not very good people based on what you believe to be the facts (but convicted and executed?) prior to a trial.. and so in that regard it seems a wee bit different to be presenting damning information about all dee bad things that peeps did on the interwebs versus allowing a public trial..   You do not really wish her well, do you?  You don't wish that she is actually able to defend herself in a public trial, right?

Perhaps there might be concerns about what might come out if an actual public trial were to take place?
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jbreher and I have PM a few times. He owns some historic world-class music instruments. You have heard it on famous recordings.

Just some grudges here.  More about the FUD on Segwit’s security than anything else.  Although I do not regret any of my opinions about jbreher, I regret having brought it up now if it’s irritating some decent folks here.  I was just tossing Jay a zinger, not discussing a current-events issue on which I would pull no punches with my opinions.


I am not sure how fruitful it is to remember who said what in terms of the blocksize limitation wars, even though surely from time to time it does come in handy to see those kinds of historical stances that various people/businesses took.

Hahah, Jay.  Funny to see you uie-pooie feeling that I am too merciless and unforgiving towards the biiiiiiiig blocker. Wink


I believe/remember that jbreher had done some mathematical calculation that showed that, at the current (small block) transaction rate (transactions per second—tps) it would take several decades for the entire world population to own BTC on-chain. I think it was a simple division operation, dividing the world population by Bitcoin's transaction rate, to compute the time needed to get the entire world population on Bitcoin's blockchain.

I want to defend the ability of anyone who is sufficiently motivated to run a BYOB node.  I deeply appreciate how Core has kept it possible to run a node on minimal hardware—for example, by keeping the blocksize reasonable; and see how zealously I defend Blockstream Satellite!  However, I don’t think that the world’s entire population will ever even own BTC on mainnet—much less transact on mainnet.  I don’t think it is realistic.

My vision of this has various parts; in some part, it is more or less not dissimilar to Hal’s:

Actually there is a very good reason for Bitcoin-backed banks to exist, issuing their own digital cash currency, redeemable for bitcoins. Bitcoin itself cannot scale to have every single financial transaction in the world be broadcast to everyone and included in the block chain. There needs to be a secondary level of payment systems which is lighter weight and more efficient. Likewise, the time needed for Bitcoin transactions to finalize will be impractical for medium to large value purchases.

Bitcoin backed banks will solve these problems. They can work like banks did before nationalization of currency. Different banks can have different policies, some more aggressive, some more conservative. Some would be fractional reserve while others may be 100% Bitcoin backed. Interest rates may vary. Cash from some banks may trade at a discount to that from others.

George Selgin has worked out the theory of competitive free banking in detail, and he argues that such a system would be stable, inflation resistant and self-regulating.

I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash. Most Bitcoin transactions will occur between banks, to settle net transfers. Bitcoin transactions by private individuals will be as rare as... well, as Bitcoin based purchases are today.

Aside—I have a theory about this, which I should probably post in its own thread sometime...  Let’s just say that if we have free, permissionless banking, and all manner of permissionless finance, then we can expect some failures.  And the failures need to fail.  They need to fail catastrophically.  They need to die painfully, with unrecoverable financial losses.  SBF bailing them out only creates moral hazard, thus incentivizing bigger and worse failures in the future.


My opinion on this matter, is that Bitcoin is not a static entity and is open to changes, as and when they are needed.

I 1000% supported Segwit, which many Bcashers (and worse, later, BSVers) considered an unacceptable change.  Now, I am advocating for my longtime dream of zero-knowledge proof privacy in Bitcoin; some people here probably consider that scandalous, despite the fact that the technology was originally invented for Bitcoin.

I definitely do not see Bitcoin as a static entity.  I do see it as conservative, reliable sound money, which needs to change slowly and carefully—most of all, to avoid network hardforks unless there is some terrifically overwhelming reason to hardfork (e.g., a potential Quantum Computing Apocalypse).

When the time comes for changes relating to the block size (or any other modifications or improvements to the code), they will be adopted in a structured, orderly manner, based on rigorous and thorough testing, and via a worldwide consensus mechanism. The problem with BCH (a.k.a. Bcash) and BSV is that they are governed by arrogant, selfish, toxic individuals that effectively attempted to take control of Bitcoin for their own, insidious, malevolent motives. To that, the community has clearly objected, as reflected by the subsequent failure of these attempts, and indicated by the current value of these forked coins, as compared to BTC.

Agreed.  And to me, the worst part was how they lied.  Worst of all are the liars.

The campaign of lying delayed Segwit activation for a very long time.  It did lasting long-term damage to Bitcoin, by delaying Segwit activation:  Where would we be today, if Segwit had activated earlier?

For instance, Bcash promoters promulgated a malicious fantasy that miners could steal Segwit coins.  Scammers created this lie, and they wove it in plausible-seeming terms that would require considerable technical understanding to untangle.  They duped many people, some of whom were acting in good faith.  Not naming names, but I think that at least one reputable, currently-active WO regular briefly fell for it at a time when Segwit was not yet active, so we couldn’t yet see what would happen.

I myself took the allegation seriously enough to devote time and effort to improving my Bitcoin technical knowledge:  I strove to attain higher expertise, so that I could competently evaluate it.  I spent many, many hours studying this specific issue—fairly and objectively considering all arguments.

When I finally reached the point of a decision, it was the point at which I watched a ridiculous sham fall apart before my eyes; and with Segwit now running on mainnet for almost five years, empirical evidence has proved my evaluation absolutely correct.  I was particularly peeved that for whatever (un)reason, some people continued to push this nonsense even when there were already billions of dollars worth of BTC in Segwit UTXOs, safe and sound.

Relevant to my attitude about a certain picnic-bear.

Observation on human nature:  Those who start as fence-sitters, and choose one side or the other through conscious effort, are likely to become much more forceful in their opinions than those who take a shallow “our team” approach.  I didn’t support Core and Segwit because of “our team”.  I don’t support BTC today because of “our team”.  I seek the truth, and I support whatever I evaluate as the best.

There was a time when, in private, I gave Bcasher arguments such a fair reading that many people here would accuse me of betraying “our team”.  I don’t care.  If they had been right, then I would have supported them; but rather, I found that they were dead wrong.  I evaluated the matter thoroughly before I opined in public, so I never made a fool of myself.
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OT

Start the clock. "GM didn't kill herself" in 3...2...1...




Jizzmotorway 2 da Max, well.



.... I wish her....well.


lols


ps, did you know this bitch be not just a pilot, but also a submarine captain ? (I am assuming also a yacht master too)


(obvs Lil St James had a submarine port..... and so did another nearby island..... whaddya think that was all about anon ?)


pps, Jeffery just took over operations from (Jizzmotorways daddy in their honeypot operation) Robert, courtesy of "our friends" at ...(cannot be spoken)


Cannot make this shit up really ...Reality is indeed waaaaaaay beyond fiction, and often.

I have no problem with what you are saying.. or that you have an opinion that accused people are not very good people based on what you believe to be the facts (but convicted and executed?) prior to a trial.. and so in that regard it seems a wee bit different to be presenting damning information about all dee bad things that peeps did on the interwebs versus allowing a public trial..   You do not really wish her well, do you?  You don't wish that she is actually able to defend herself in a public trial, right?

Perhaps there might be concerns about what might come out if an actual public trial were to take place?


Siggghhh..


I spun the wheel, and decided to unignore and read your post.

Was it worth it?

What are you even saying ? (do not answer I will not read)

....but this has to be one of the saddest, lamest, most pointless, word salad posts you have ever made... I mean, I read it, and re read it (seeing as tf it was succinct for a change, but , still word salad nonsense)  and , I have no idea what you are even trying to say?  errrr, innocent until proven guilty ? is that it? loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool yeah, no shit.  

Do you actually think Ghislane Maxwell is "innocent" lmao? good one. Seems a weird , weird, weird , assertion for you to make here, just odd, out of place, non sensical, did I mention weird? lmao, I mean wut is your post even about, what is the purpose of it? to defend Maxwell? looooooooooooooooool. because I think she is "not a good person"  (wow talk about master of understatement there JJG, she did not just knowingly park in a disabled bay mate.... its a tad more serious than that)  


Errrrr,  I could give a fuck if she "defends herself" in public or not, lmao, this is an open and shut case... I would be more interested in the whole story coming out... all the way back to her fathers operations and who he worked for.

"Perhaps there might be concerns about what might come out if an actual public trial were to take place?"

errrrrrrrrrr ,wtf you on about ? you think I work for the clintons of something ? LMAO ?  


I could not give a fuck if she stands trial, & blabs it all, or is flayed and hung in a cell alone....

Da fuq are you on about ? Do not even bother replying, I am not spinning the JJG roulette wheel for at least another few weeks.


Ya weirdo.


ps , what I wish is that they put a rabid starving ferret up her cunt.... hope that is clear enough , just to avoid confusion.


pps, It was public knowledge , available to all, what was happening at Little St James since the late 90's. I saw it personally in data dumps, available to all,  reporting on the whole issue. No shit. Actually, strangely enough, even though Epstain officially took over the island in the late 90s, he was already using the island previously to that, by some years....and it was known. The media knew, the intel agencies knew, the internet knew..... the world knew, it was not a secret in anyway. Nor , at the end, was what Robert Maxwell was up to.... the information is there if you care enough to know.
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June 26, 2022, 07:26:31 PM
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A hype project that has helped nobody and makes no sense.

Have you ever lived in a situation where downloading the entire Bitcoin blockchain from the Internet, and keeping up with blocks, would be cost-prohibitive in terms of bandwidth? It is not a rare situation.  Not a corner case.  I think that the worldwide majority of people are probably in that situation.

Satellite TV dishes are ubiquitous.  Surprising and disturbing, but true.  They can be repurposed for this, with a few parts that fit into a poverty-level budget.  Now, at least, you can have the BYOB security of consensus-validating the blockchain yourself.  To make transactions, use your mobile data connection that has kbps speed, and costs money you can’t afford billed by the kilobyte.  Although it is not ideal from a decentralization viewpoint, it gets your foot in the door.

Still makes no sense?

Blockstream’s advertised primary use case for Satellite makes excellent sense.

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my internet sucks majorly bad and it would take months, many months, to dl from genesis. my inet is so bad and the full blockchain stored locally so important i have it backed up so many ways (raidz2, raid5, portables drives, internal drives i rotate etc, all stored in many places) it borders on ridiculous.

 help me obi won musk, starlink is my only hope.





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Coinbase is one of the worst of evil exchanges.  

edit: TRIGGER WARNING

yup i hate coinbase because of their history and actions.

but guess which exchange i tell starting btc noobs who arent very computer literate and even less cyber security conscious? yup. coinbase. for the simple reason that they are legit from a usa law point of view.  it offers yubikey security.
accounts can be transferred to surviving spouse or executor if the account holder dies.
 

ok thats it, haters may now proceed to list the myriad ways They Suck. fine by me as i might be some that im not aware of yet and ive been with them since 2013.

now if a btc noob is slightly better informed i tell them gemnini.

please dont forget here in the usa (land of the free) we have limited choice in a lot of things.

full disclosure: coinbase is a backup exchange for me.

Millions of people globally "hate Coinbase" and yet still use them every single day, week, month, and year.

Myself included.

So tf what?

You are part of the problem:  You are the problem!

Want to know the root cause of all that is wrong with this world?  Look in the mirror.

Millions of people globally hate corrupt governments, blood-sucking big banks, and mass-destructive multinational corporations.  And yet they vote for them, obey them, consume from them, support them in every material way—every single day, week, month, and year.

Yourself included.

“So tf what?”  I’ll tell you what:  You are befouling my world with your passivity, your weakness, your acceptance and support of things you say you hate.

This world does not belong to you.  It belongs to me, and to those few who are like me:  The ones who are here to change the world, or die trying.  You are here to whine and to masturbate, as you actively defend what you claim you oppose—you hypocrite.

And you are an active enemy of Bitcoin.  Why can Coinbase harm Bitcoin?  Because of you.  Who gives Coinbase the power to push anti-Bitcoin agendas?  You do.

You are not one of those here who say, Yeah, I hate Coinbase, but...  I sympathize with that.  We all need to make some pragmatic compromises sometimes.  It is not impossible that I would hypothetically use Coinbase, in some horrific circumstance that I do not wish to contemplate.  It has never happened—and it is entirely justified for me to urge others to avoid Coinbase like the plague.

You are ad hominem viciously attacking people who dare to speak the truth about Coinbase—who say what you know is true, what you admit is true.  You are actively defending Coinbase, in the most perverse possible way:  “So tf what” if I actively give my material support to something that I know is wrong?  I hate you for bringing it up, for speaking out against it.

Just because that death_diaper troll comes in here spouting his nonsense, and loves to condescendingly drone on and on telling bitcoin WO vets "how it is, bro", doesn't mean anyone needs to listen to his drivel.  Roll Eyes

On account of the mental age you show with that type of insult, it pains me to explain that the foregoing is not written for you.  You fall into the category of “DNFTT”.

Unfortunately, you exemplified by personal illustration the root cause of what is wrong with the world.  It is notable.
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[...]   You do not really wish her well, do you?  You don't wish that she is actually able to defend herself in a public trial, right?

Perhaps there might be concerns about what might come out if an actual public trial were to take place?

You believe that I am pessimistic.  Well, I am a permabear on human nature.  When mobs with pitchforks are howling for blood, AI-tier objective discussion can have only two results:  (a) Evoking insults hurled in your general direction, (b) possibly later being accused of secretly supporting an Epstein/Maxwell type of operation.  I recall some cases in the 1980s where, unlike here, the charges were facially absurd—later disproved; but for years, no one dared to question them, because questioning meant that you must be guilty of the same alleged crimes, or somehow sympathetic to that.  I get that here, in this case, you probably have other concerns in addition to a fair trial for the accused—for instance, perhaps wondering who will get away with it, and what interesting facts will be permanently secret, if she dies without a public trial?  Having been accused of crimes, of course, she is entitled to a fair trial.

Humans are a strong SELL.

[...insults hurled in Jay’s general direction...]

ps , what I wish is that they put a rabid starving ferret up her cunt.... hope that is clear enough , just to avoid confusion.

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OT...relevant mostly for those from 51 yo and older.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2022/06/22/bjsports-2021-105360

interesting study and a simple test.
basically, if an individual aged 51 and older can stand more than 10s on one leg, the probability of that person dying within 10 years is 5%, but if he/she can't, then the probability rises to about 30% (highly statistically significant, apparently).

easy enough to check

not sure what would happen if upon a bad test someone would start exercising and/or lose weight, etc.
basically, it is not clear if it is a fixable situation or not.
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[...]   You do not really wish her well, do you?  You don't wish that she is actually able to defend herself in a public trial, right?

Perhaps there might be concerns about what might come out if an actual public trial were to take place?

You believe that I am pessimistic.  Well, I am a permabear on human nature.  When mobs with pitchforks are howling for blood, AI-tier objective discussion can have only two results:  (a) Evoking insults hurled in your general direction, (b) possibly later being accused of secretly supporting an Epstein/Maxwell type of operation.  I recall some cases in the 1980s where, unlike here, the charges were facially absurd—later disproved; but for years, no one dared to question them, because questioning meant that you must be guilty of the same alleged crimes, or somehow sympathetic to that.  I get that here, in this case, you probably have other concerns in addition to a fair trial for the accused—for instance, perhaps wondering who will get away with it, and what interesting facts will be permanently secret, if she dies without a public trial?  Having been accused of crimes, of course, she is entitled to a fair trial.

Humans are a strong SELL.

[...insults hurled in Jay’s general direction...]

ps , what I wish is that they put a rabid starving ferret up her cunt.... hope that is clear enough , just to avoid confusion.

Observing a red candlestick in the quality of rational discourse.

Yeah JJG / Death wish, we all fell out of a tree yesterday mate.  (observation)


Get fucked. (instruction)


Yeah, Maxwell and Epstein just got a bad wrap, and yeah, I just want to defend their clients.. yeah yeah, totally yeah.... that is what it is all about.  (sarcasm)



pfffffffffffffft.




This story starts with Robert Maxwell and who he worked for and what his whole operation was about.  If you want to talk about getting to the root of things. Jeffery, took the helm, after Robert Maxwell was removed from the picture.  (facts)



This is not some cute little story, for your faux high IQ troll concern gibberish. (message)


These people are fucking human scum....  (facts)


Just don't. (instruction)


Damn right rational discourse is taking a red candle, du fuq you think this is a joke? (rhetorical)


You really are clueless. (observation, driven by your lack of awareness)


ps, and this , unfortunately goes beyond the human trafficking and all that went with it..... that is the tip of the iceberg.... a symptom if you like, of the true disease.   (info)
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June 26, 2022, 08:43:12 PM

Humans are a strong SELL.

[...insults hurled in Jay’s general direction...]

ps , what I wish is that they put a rabid starving ferret up her cunt.... hope that is clear enough , just to avoid confusion.

Observing a red candlestick in the quality of rational discourse.

[...insults and strawmen...]

Observing a wall of insults and strawmen.

Nowhere did I say that “Maxwell and Epstein just got a bad wrap [sic]”, or anything even close to it.  I didn’t see Jay say such a thing, either.

For my part, I am not even interested in discussing this case here.  I was merely observing that Jay was setting himself up for trouble by opining that the accused should be able to present her defense at trial.  I expected for him to be insulted, strawmanned, and painted as somehow defending Epstein and Maxwell, or of being unacceptably sympathetic to them.  Whoops.
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Humans are a strong SELL.

[...insults hurled in Jay’s general direction...]

ps , what I wish is that they put a rabid starving ferret up her cunt.... hope that is clear enough , just to avoid confusion.

Observing a red candlestick in the quality of rational discourse.

[...insults and strawmen...]

Observing a wall of insults and strawmen.

Nowhere did I say that “Maxwell and Epstein just got a bad wrap [sic]”, or anything even close to it.  I didn’t see Jay say such a thing, either.

For my part, I am not even interested in discussing this case here.  I was merely observing that Jay was setting himself up for trouble by opining that the accused should be able to present her defense at trial.  I expected for him to be insulted, strawmanned, and painted as somehow defending Epstein and Maxwell, or of being unacceptably sympathetic to them.  Whoops.


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