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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
$120K - 19 (17.6%)
$130K - 17 (15.7%)
$140K - 9 (8.3%)
$150K - 19 (17.6%)
$160K - 2 (1.9%)
$170K+ - 33 (30.6%)
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seeing the "100" or so in the price gives me flashbacks of 2013... I couldn't even afford instant ramen at that time

I remember back at the end of 2011 there was someone on this forum who was selling packs of ramen for 1 BTC each. I hope that guy held onto his coins. Seemed so insignificant back then, but fortunes could’ve been made on anything at that time.
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Now that Syria is such a peaceful country, I take it all the "refugees" are going home, right?

In the west, they get money for nothing from infidels they despise. Many probably see it as Jizya (poll tax) which they are entitled to by Sharia law.

I guess they will leave when the free money stops or the host countries got turned into 3rd world shitholes...  in which regard we make good progress
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seeing the "100" or so in the price gives me flashbacks of 2013... I couldn't even afford instant ramen at that time

I remember back at the end of 2011 there was someone on this forum who was selling packs of ramen for 1 BTC each. I hope that guy held onto his coins. Seemed so insignificant back then, but fortunes could’ve been made on anything at that time.

It's so remarkable how Bitcoin allows anyone to make extreme gains, anyone who is seriously willing to search for solutions to the fiat ponzi.

A remarkably fair invention! Like math, language or similar ideas


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Calling bitcoin "digital gold" is such an undervaluation for bitcoin. I don't think people realize there will come a time, when everyone in the world will rely on bitcoin, and it will be impossible to make more of.  
Time factor + Price variation + High demand (TPH) = Impossible to make more of it.

Sometimes it looks weird seeing people undervaluing bitcoin, though it's just their knowledge and I wouldn't take it as an offense till they get to know the importance of it maybe when it's no longer possible to get more of it.
Demand has to catch up with price, and you are correct that perceived value has to catch up too.

Just because bitcoin has an addressable market and monetary capacities that cause it to be around 1,000x or more valuable than gold, that does not mean that we wake up tomorrow and BTC prices are $900 million per coin. It takes time to get from $100k per coin to $900 million per coin, just as it has taken nearly 16 years for bitcoin to get from $0 to $100k or maybe more realistically (let's not count the first 3 years) nearly 13 years for bitcoin to get from $5 to $100k per coin.
Yes you are very correct!
But Let's consider some factors that surrounds bitcoin currently and the reason for the exponential growth above expected, and if we say it would take time then it's not getting the attention needed and to me which I think as days passes by the more visible and known (more demand increases, more people acquires it) if it took up to nearly 13 years as you said then I would say due to the rapid interest in some institutions and such as blackrock, fidelity and couples with the just elected Us president who is now bitcoin friendly wouldn't take much time for bitcoin to double it's price on a shorter range, do I say we forget about the ETFs as well? No!
All these will sharpen the edge of bitcoin for faster rise above the 13 years past. Maybe in less 5.9 to 6.6 years Bitcoin would gain the price and the attention it never gained since everly created.

To sum it up; the past 16 years was a year of seeking for attention, now it has gained the attention required and it wouldn't take that long for incredible things things to happened. Therefore I am on the hodl lane.

I don't mind your seemingly bullish sentiment, but you are seeming to suggest that I am not bullish enough in my characterizations of where we are as compared to where we might be going.

You are not saying that we are going to arrive at $900 million per bitcoin in the next 5.9 to 6.6 years, are you?

Even if we look at 2012 until now, and going from $5 to $100k in 13 years, that is a 20,000x price appreciation.  You are not suggesting those kinds of 20,000x levels of price appreciation in the next 5.9 to 6.6 years, are you?

My personal view is that even with the various new bigger and BIGGER entrants into the bitcoin space, we are still likely going to continue to have diminishing returns each cycle. 

Sure we might experience higher returns this cycle as compared to last cycle (the 2021 cycle), but I have difficulties imagining that we would have higher returns for this cycle than we had in 2013 or in 2017.   

2013's returns were around 100x and 2017 returns were around 78x and 2021 returns were around 16x. 

Sure no problem to get returns somewhere between the 2017 and 2021 level of returns.. which if we use $27k as our jumping off point for this particular cycle, then maybe we could consider that range to be anywhere between $432k to $2.7 million for the top of this cycle.  Is that what you are suggesting? I would proclaim (although a bit of a simple proclamation) the lower end of the range seems much more reachable for this cycle as compared with the top of the range.. Not impossible to reach various prices with the range, but not likely, and even the lower end of the range seems a bit overly bullish, even though sure it is possible to happen in this cycle.... perhaps even having odds that are 15% or greater to reach the lower end of that particular price range?

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That bird... (is it a penguin?)  is going the wrong way.
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Yeah we're pretty much headed sideways

At least you got the direction a bit MOAR better.   Yet, I have a request:  Could you slant that widdo blue bird a wee bit MOAR UPpity?  And, stop tryin to ruin'in dee moo.   Angry Angry

And by the way, your spelling sucks... I mean.. Have you ever seen a BTC  looking like that?
 I did have a version pointing upward and to the right but it didn't seem realistic - we are going sideways - so I had to flatten the trajectory but it is going right which everyone knows is the right direction, right?   I'll tilt it upward Sunday evening Smiley
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 If I'm being totally honest, I've never seen a penguin riding a bitcoin with flames shooting out of it before but then I've lived a somewhat sheltered life.
Ah crap.  I've been duped!
These pudgy penguin gifs are NFTs on the ETH blockchain.  That little bastard penguin is literally and figuratively riding on the back of 100K BTC - no wonder he was going the wrong direction.   I'm done manipulating pudgy penguin graphics so there will be no tilting forthcoming.  If anyone was really looking forward to the tiltening today, please accept my humble apologies.

I will admit that I was waiting, but your investigating encounters of shitcoins relieves you of any furtherance of such.... and thanks for doing that investigation.

Maybe "we" have to remember to blame Sanitough for submitting that propaganda piece?  Can "we" forgive?  I am not sure...
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Microsoft or Amazon? Who is going to have the bigger Bitcoin announcement this week?

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missing apple for the three way fight over btc.

It would be really cool to see a big number in 2025.
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Simple. Accept bitcoin payments? 🤷‍♂️
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One step at a time, yet accepting bitcoin payments would also be a step in the right direction, even though the USA and other countries have tax and accounting obstacles for the acceptance of payment and also potential tax and accounting problems for buyers to be sending their bitcoin for goods and services.

Calling bitcoin "digital gold" is such an undervaluation for bitcoin. I don't think people realize there will come a time, when everyone in the world will rely on bitcoin, and it will be impossible to make more of.  
Calling bitcoin digital gold is what possibly "saved" bitcoin somewhere between 2011 and 2021, but this is just my interpretation.
Maybe 'saved' it too strong a word, but certainly this interpretation cleared it up to gain the acceptance of wider audiences.
yes. not being seen as a rival to the USD helped. That goes along with small blocks, so it's not used as everyday money for paying coffee and shit

It could be used for everyday money and for paying for coffee and shit, if there was some friendly tax exemption for smaller transactions and also if there weren't certain kinds of passive aggressive hostilities, such a debanking folks who had been engaging in bitcoin-related businesses and making bitcoin-related transactions.

100K isn't acting as a support yet, the price fluctuates wildly around it.

That is still a kind of support..

yeah, not solid support, but still.  I am not going to complain.

100K isn't acting as a support yet, the price fluctuates wildly around it.
well maybe we move past 111k and hold it

sideways action 107-115 coming up by friday.

$111,111.11 seems too low, and a weird number to hold.

yeah, you said going past it... gosh even $120k to $130k might be on the low end for the initial burst.. .. but yeah, it is hard to know, until it happens (that is if it happens).

seeing the "100" or so in the price gives me flashbacks of 2013... I couldn't even afford instant ramen at that time

I remember back at the end of 2011 there was someone on this forum who was selling packs of ramen for 1 BTC each. I hope that guy held onto his coins. Seemed so insignificant back then, but fortunes could’ve been made on anything at that time.

Interesting.  I don't recall hearing or reading anything about Ramen for bitcoin, but yeah, I did not start reading forum threads until 2014, and then it took me a few years just to venture outside of this here dear WO thread.

In the last few years, I have read through quite a few forum threads even some of the historical ones... to the extent feasible in my own schedule..
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It would be really cool to see a big number in 2025.

A big number next year is inevitable.  We have giant nations talking about adding it to their treasuries, S&P 500 companies starting to consider holding it, Amazon being urged to accept it, BRICS countries considering using it for trade, and the ETFs currently buying 6x as much BTC per week as is being added with block rewards.  I honestly don't see how we don't hit $500,000 per BTC next year.  I used to think we were going to peak at $200,000, but there is just too much money headed this way.  I now believe we're likely to see a $500K-$800K Bitcoin sometime in Q3 or early Q4 of 2025.  Only thing I think that could stop it, is if MSTR gets too leveraged and burns out the market with a spectacular crash and a liquidation that would almost be worth losing a fortune to watch play out.
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