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I am not against the idea of dying with zero, even though I think that it is better to set up systems of sustainable withdrawal.. so those are philosopical differences, since I would not necessarily agree with the idea of depleting one's principle until perhaps later in life.. which surely could end up in a lot of cases of not dying with zero.
Dying with zero is pretty pathetic and greedy.

Perhaps you should think about others who could use your excess wealth.

I can accept the fact that leaving it to immature young family members could be a waste but maybe you can think of more responsible recipients who could put it to good use.

Enjoy the benefits of your success while you're alive but don't assume you'll be able to time your lifespan to use up your wealth. You might live longer than you think. Keeping enough for a good future is essential. That means leaving some behind.

Think about what you want to happen to what's left behind.

I think judging a book by its name is pretty pathetic. Maybe you should read it, if you have such a strong opinion about it even before reading it. (Making 1 second thought on the subject, makes us usually have wrong assumptions )

This book isn't about greed at all.
  
For example, you can make donations in life. If you die with billions/millions in your bank account, you don't know what will happen to that money (you may even outlive your sons, for example).
This book talks about this.

I think taking all your wealth to your grave is much greedier than donating or spending it while alive.
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Dying with zero is pretty pathetic and greedy.
Perhaps you should think about others who could use your excess wealth.

Enjoy the benefits of your success while you're alive but don't assume you'll be able to time your lifespan to use up your wealth. You might live longer than you think. Keeping enough for a good future is essential. That means leaving some behind.

Think about what you want to happen to what's left behind.

Indeed, that's what that book is about. Not greedy "use it up to the last cent", which is difficult, impractical, and outright nasty IMO, but "do start to consider enjoying, and plan for it" and "manage your donations, charitable or not, while you're still around".

Ultimately, it's more about getting the most from your life than getting the most from your money.

EDIT Oops, I noticed bitmover made a similar argument already.
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@philipma1957, I thought of you for some silly reason

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BTC is the store house of value.

It is my humble opinion that holding large amounts means nothing.

A good sandwich may cost around 20-30$

How much do we really need in a day's time? for good clothing, housing and such?

The rest is kept as safety for emergency etc.

I guess 400k is a sweet spot for BTC, but ofcourse no amount of pump can make such a move within a short time. It is the temporary adrenaline we crave when pump happens.

Buy DCA and Enjoy your life, don't give in to the rich man's greed - for it leads to hell, which is nowhere in the clouds but in our heads.

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I am in a similar place at the moment. Reaching for the FY lever, but still holding back because reasons. Don't we all have reasons? It's never as simple as it looks. Apart from life pressures, eating ramen for so many years left me with deeply ingrained behavioral patterns. It takes a while - time and will - to adapt into YOLOing a dinner for two that costs about 0.3 months of pay.

Another example of ingrained thriftiness: After my last sale, which was actually my first, I only bought one new tire for my car rather than a couple or - god forbid! - a full set.

The book you recommend might be a useful read. Thanks for your suggestion.

I lived a very frugal life for most of my life, spending basically nothing and saving all my wage .

I am trying to change my atitude towards money and saving, but "old habits die hard". As I get older and a larger portfolio, I feel I need to spend more, because I do think that taking all my money to the grave is useless and selfish.... specially bitcoin

And planning my expenses to get most of my life and my money. Money is not so useful when we get older
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I am not against the idea of dying with zero, even though I think that it is better to set up systems of sustainable withdrawal.. so those are philosopical differences, since I would not necessarily agree with the idea of depleting one's principle until perhaps later in life.. which surely could end up in a lot of cases of not dying with zero.
Dying with zero is pretty pathetic and greedy.

Perhaps you should think about others who could use your excess wealth.

I can accept the fact that leaving it to immature young family members could be a waste but maybe you can think of more responsible recipients who could put it to good use.

Enjoy the benefits of your success while you're alive but don't assume you'll be able to time your lifespan to use up your wealth. You might live longer than you think. Keeping enough for a good future is essential. That means leaving some behind.

Think about what you want to happen to what's left behind.

it is pretty much I am an asshole fuck all of you.
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I am in a similar place at the moment. Reaching for the FY lever, but still holding back because reasons. Don't we all have reasons? It's never as simple as it looks. Apart from life pressures, eating ramen for so many years left me with deeply ingrained behavioral patterns. It takes a while - time and will - to adapt into YOLOing a dinner for two that costs about 0.3 months of pay.

Another example of ingrained thriftiness: After my last sale, which was actually my first, I only bought one new tire for my car rather than a couple or - god forbid! - a full set.

The book you recommend might be a useful read. Thanks for your suggestion.

I lived a very frugal life for most of my life, spending basically nothing and saving all my wage .

I am trying to change my atitude towards money and saving, but "old habits die hard". As I get older and a larger portfolio, I feel I need to spend more, because I do think that taking all my money to the grave is useless and selfish.... specially bitcoin

And planning my expenses to get most of my life and my money. Money is not so useful when we get older

 I've lived similarly but really only when it comes to my own wants and needs but sometimes you gotta splurge to make life a little more interesting.

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it is pretty much I am an asshole fuck all of you.

The title is misleading.
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had to sell a bit @110k. I hope we can go up now


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The "crypto" press is a mess of shilling puppets and inaccurate incompetents. Keep your checking tools and verifying muscles fit. As a warning, here's just a couple of examples I recently spotted.

Retail traders lose when OTC token deals win: Here’s why

Unlike traditional futures contracts, perps don’t expire. Traders holding them
must pay or receive a funding fee. When perp prices trade above spot price,
shorts pay longs to maintain their position.
That cost can steadily chip away at
the discounted tokens’ profit margin.

It's the other way round, you moron. Futures price higher than spot means LONGS must pay for the privilege. And it's not automatic either. Temporary drifts up on down on futures premium (or funding fees) do happen.

The mixups between support/resistance, short/long liqs etc. are quite common in the "specialized" press. Copy editing seems to be a lost art in the age of web publishing. Be wary.

The worst type of article IMO are those articles with clickbait titles (mostly fake) that slip some shitcoin shillery between bits of bitcoin info that look interesting (and usually are not: just a rehash of old stuff).

Here's one.

Powell Hints That the Fed’s Rate Cut Will Trigger a Crypto Bull Run, SolMining Bets on XRP Cloud Mining

#xrp_mining


The first hint that this is bullshit is the XRP tag. XRP mining , even. First off, it's a matter of personal taste, but IMO XRP is the absolute king of all shitcoins. Entire, undiluted, 100% premium banker's shit. But I digress. Secondly and perhaps more importantly,
XRP CAN'T BE MINED. It's all pre-minted.

They really want to force that kind of excrement down our throats, and journalism has nothing to do with what they're doing here. See what happens further down.

Cryptocurrency investors cheered after Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell’s speech at Jackson Hole on the 22nd, seizing the possibility of an interest rate cut as early as September.

--snip--

This signal cheered cryptocurrency investors. Expectations of rate cuts tend to weaken the US dollar and release more market liquidity, which typically flows into digital assets like Bitcoin and XRP, driving market rallies.

Second mention of XRP next to BTC, as if they were in any way similar. No other shitcoin mentioned. This one's shilling for the king of shit only!

SolMining, meanwhile, offers XRP holders a new way to profit—real-time daily returns through cloud mining contracts.

Aha! Here's the ad, just after the BTC+XRP reference. Not marked as such, though. The following headings are interspersed with references to Powell and the possible rate cut.

Solmining: Generate Daily Passive Income From Your Idle XRP

--snip some shit--

How To Start Mining With SolMining?

--snip some more shit--

We offer starter contracts blah blah

A Bull Market Combined with New Strategies

Powell’s dovish shift, combined with SolMining’s real-time yield model, is reshaping the crypto investment landscape.

Aha, so crypto is being reshaped by Powell AND this scamlike operation. Good to know.

Conclusion: The Best Time for XRP Investors

With the macro environment shifting in favor of digital assets and new platforms continuously expanding blah blah

For many investors, Powell’s hint of a rate cut is a green light. And with SolMining’s blah blah

So, if you're looking for the part where Powell hints that the Fed’s rate cut will trigger a crypto bull run, you're going to end up disappointed. Nowhere in this piece of crap article is any such part to be found. There's the justification that Powell never said that, of course, but the truth is often not such a big hindrance.

For fairness, I have to say that there is a small print disclaimer after the first title:

Disclaimer: The text below is an advertorial article that is not part of Cryptonews.com editorial content. While it has undergone editorial review to ensure quality and relevance, it may not reflect the views of Cryptonews.com and is clearly distinguished from our independent editorial content. If you wish to advertise with Cryptonews, contact us.

So on Cryptonews. It's often utter marketing bullshit with no clear boundary between information and crap. Slightly lighter shilling is practiced by CryptoPotato. ZyCrypto is just clickbait titles gilding short, meaningless articles that state the obvious. Other sources might be well meaning but are often inaccurate or outright wrong (Cointelegraph).


TL;DR Careful with what you read. Keep your critical thinking subsystem always honed.

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I did a quickie look at Coinbase fees and it appears to be 0.6% on each side...  so if you have one trade that involves both selling and buying back (or buying and then selling) it would add up to 1.2% for both ends of the trade.. which is not outrageous since there are two trades involved.


https://help.coinbase.com/en/exchange/trading-and-funding/exchange-fees


Hahaha..that's OLD fees, which were OK.
Now, when as they increased fees, you can see them either with an AI search or ONLY when you login to this website:
https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/trading-and-funding/advanced-trade/advanced-trade-fees

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Coinbase Advanced fees are based on a maker-taker model, determined by your 30-day trading volume and asset balance. Fees decrease as volume increases, starting around 0.60% maker / 1.20% taker for low volumes and potentially reaching 0.00% maker / 0.05% taker for high-volume traders. You can access Advanced Trade through a standard Coinbase account at no extra charge.

EDIT: see better explanation from @d_eddie Taker-fee when you sell...and by the low volume they mean $10K.
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Taker-fee when you sell...and by the low volume they mean $10K.

Actually, taker fee is when you clear (take) an order (be it a bid OR an ask) from the orderbook. Maker fee is when your order stays in the book and gets taken later by someone else.
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Taker-fee when you sell...and by the low volume they mean $10K.

Actually, taker fee is when you clear (take) an order (be it a bid OR an ask) from the orderbook. Maker fee is when your order stays in the book and gets taken later by someone else.

Thanks for the explanation, but the main point was that the table @JJG posted is an old table, not in effect right now.
Regarding 'stays in the book'-how long it has to stay to be considered a "maker", i wonder?
Regarddless of that, even 0.6% maker fee is outrageously high, imho, especially if you compare it it to what happens at the stock market.
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