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[rjclarke2000]

Hey gang, just checking in.

Still hodling. Gave a small amount to my buddy for renovation work but other than that I’m all good.

Happy to see you still HODLING brother, you were one of the first people I made a bond with & messaged privately when I came here in 2014.

You should pop in more often, there are discrete WO meet ups with a select dozen or so now you know, you probably would have been part of them if you didn’t go AWOL

Any way good to see you’re ok, don’t leave it as long in future.

LFC

Oh that sounds good. I’ll be here a little more often then! Had a few disasters happen recently with my family so I’ve been a bit busy but I will make more time from now on.

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

Sure .. however there are people who think out of the box you realise that ? What if he really had a plan to rock the shoes of nocoiners and make them jump in the train?.. What if that was true and the community shunned him away.

I'd say .. FAIL ?

[OROBTC]

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Re marcus_of_augustus and other commentators about China, I think that we (USA, probably Europe as well) need to be thinking hard about the longer-term.  And we need to be thinking fast as much of what I list below takes time, but we need to do these things for our national security and to be less dependent on Communist China.

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Yes, I understand that doing the above would drive costs of pharma and other products way up.  OK, but look at what COVID-19 has done to us re driving up costs!  The above suggestions would also create a lot of good jobs, many of them just the sort of STEM jobs that we apparently really need in addition to safeguarding our security.

We are likely sliding into an economic depression.  Rebuilding vital parts of our industrial base seems very important.  And time's a-wasting.  Let's get this started!

(Similar comments about infrastructure, but that will be another post)

[Elwar]

While on this tangent, what's a decent free antivirus? Sick of popups and ads.

Install the Brave browser. It filters out ads at the browser level.

[Elwar]

The answer is very simple. It's the effect of [size=100pt]5G[/size] https://www.sdxcentral.com/5g/definitions/the-top-countries-with-5g-deployments-and-trials/

Better turn off any bluetooth device you own. They area almost the same frequency (2.4,2.5GHz).

[Biodom]

$7,000 acting as some fucking weird psychological sell off point. Weird bears!

Funds selling at about breakeven point for 2020, perhaps?

[Ibian]

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Re marcus_of_augustus and other commentators about China, I think that we (USA, probably Europe as well) need to be thinking hard about the longer-term.  And we need to be thinking fast as much of what I list below takes time, but we need to do these things for our national security and to be less dependent on Communist China.

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Yes, I understand that doing the above would drive costs of pharma and other products way up.  OK, but look at what COVID-19 has done to us re driving up costs!  The above suggestions would also create a lot of good jobs, many of them just the sort of STEM jobs that we apparently really need in addition to safeguarding our security.

We are likely sliding into an economic depression.  Rebuilding vital parts of our industrial base seems very important.  And time's a-wasting.  Let's get this started!

(Similar comments about infrastructure, but that will be another post)

Completely agree. Any country should be self-sufficient with all the essentials. Food, water, energy, medicine, now electronics too.

But it's not about what makes sense. It's politics all the way down. Lefties don't WANT national self-sufficiency. It would just make it that much harder to get a one-world government.

[Ibian]

While on this tangent, what's a decent free antivirus? Sick of popups and ads.

Install the Brave browser. It filters out ads at the browser level.

Ads from the antivirus software itself. Kaspersky in my current case, Avast before that.

Also youtube notifications don't work on brave. I'm following quite a few channels.

[Elwar]

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Re marcus_of_augustus and other commentators about China, I think that we (USA, probably Europe as well) need to be thinking hard about the longer-term.  And we need to be thinking fast as much of what I list below takes time, but we need to do these things for our national security and to be less dependent on Communist China.

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Yes, I understand that doing the above would drive costs of pharma and other products way up.  OK, but look at what COVID-19 has done to us re driving up costs!  The above suggestions would also create a lot of good jobs, many of them just the sort of STEM jobs that we apparently really need in addition to safeguarding our security.

We are likely sliding into an economic depression.  Rebuilding vital parts of our industrial base seems very important.  And time's a-wasting.  Let's get this started!

(Similar comments about infrastructure, but that will be another post)

Completely agree. Any country should be self-sufficient with all the essentials. Food, water, energy, medicine, now electronics too.

But it's not about what makes sense. It's politics all the way down. Lefties don't WANT national self-sufficiency. It would just make it that much harder to get a one-world government.

So many people told me my seastead was not really a seastead because I was not fully self-sufficient (food, water, energy, microprocessors, etc).

I always wondered if that meant countries were not real countries because they were not fully self sufficient.

[Toxic2040]

Good morning WO's



The battle for $7k continues with the price settling back to around $6.7k after a bout of strong trading overnight. New short fibs highlight areas of interest as we head towards the weekend. #dyor


4h


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#btd's

[Ibian]

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Re marcus_of_augustus and other commentators about China, I think that we (USA, probably Europe as well) need to be thinking hard about the longer-term.  And we need to be thinking fast as much of what I list below takes time, but we need to do these things for our national security and to be less dependent on Communist China.

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Yes, I understand that doing the above would drive costs of pharma and other products way up.  OK, but look at what COVID-19 has done to us re driving up costs!  The above suggestions would also create a lot of good jobs, many of them just the sort of STEM jobs that we apparently really need in addition to safeguarding our security.

We are likely sliding into an economic depression.  Rebuilding vital parts of our industrial base seems very important.  And time's a-wasting.  Let's get this started!

(Similar comments about infrastructure, but that will be another post)

Completely agree. Any country should be self-sufficient with all the essentials. Food, water, energy, medicine, now electronics too.

But it's not about what makes sense. It's politics all the way down. Lefties don't WANT national self-sufficiency. It would just make it that much harder to get a one-world government.

So many people told me my seastead was not really a seastead because I was not fully self-sufficient (food, water, energy, microprocessors, etc).

I always wondered if that meant countries were not real countries because they were not fully self sufficient.

A few hundred years ago not only countries, but families were self-sufficient. Food from the fields, water from the river, energy from a water-wheel.

Could be that we have been regressing for a long time.

[sirazimuth]

He kept spamming bullshit and tried to scam the community out of tons of money for his special ad campaign that he said  would make Bitcoin mainstream. He was a loon.

After all his silly posts, I was just starting to think he was less of a scammer and more just an idiot
posting the same tired joke whose punchline had long since expired and had just became irritating.

[OROBTC]

...

Re marcus_of_augustus and other commentators about China, I think that we (USA, probably Europe as well) need to be thinking hard about the longer-term.  And we need to be thinking fast as much of what I list below takes time, but we need to do these things for our national security and to be less dependent on Communist China.

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Yes, I understand that doing the above would drive costs of pharma and other products way up.  OK, but look at what COVID-19 has done to us re driving up costs!  The above suggestions would also create a lot of good jobs, many of them just the sort of STEM jobs that we apparently really need in addition to safeguarding our security.

We are likely sliding into an economic depression.  Rebuilding vital parts of our industrial base seems very important.  And time's a-wasting.  Let's get this started!

(Similar comments about infrastructure, but that will be another post)

Completely agree. Any country should be self-sufficient with all the essentials. Food, water, energy, medicine, now electronics too.

But it's not about what makes sense. It's politics all the way down. Lefties don't WANT national self-sufficiency. It would just make it that much harder to get a one-world government.

So many people told me my seastead was not really a seastead because I was not fully self-sufficient (food, water, energy, microprocessors, etc).

I always wondered if that meant countries were not real countries because they were not fully self sufficient.

A few hundred years ago not only countries, but families were self-sufficient. Food from the fields, water from the river, energy from a water-wheel.

Could be that we have been regressing for a long time.

I don't think that we have to be COMPLETELY self-sufficient, that is likely impossible anyway.  But, it IS important that we have secure supplies of vital necessities available to us in N America and Europe.  We can choose what is important to us, but my remarks show what seems to important to me.

Completely agree with comments on lefties.....

I started another thread in "Economics" to delve deeper into all of this (inc. initial comments on infrastructure), as I understand that this is W.O. and somewhat off-topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237676.0

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Good afternoon WO brothers!
Observing @ $6,673

Most importantly, I would like to remind you this again:

This will be a Charity campaign but I will pay some bitcoin to the top 5 highest posters who will wear:
-Signature
-Avatar (Account full member+ and copper member)
-Personal text

Can't we give a helping hand to Bruno?

We WO always found to be the most strong in bond always and we are!

[Toxic2040]

RIP SN3    

On Thursday night SpaceX began cryo-testing the vehicle, which means it was loaded again with nitrogen, but this time it was chilled to flight-like temperatures and put under flight-like pressures. Unfortunately, a little after 2am local time, SN3 failed and began to collapse on top of itself. It appeared as if the vehicle may have lost pressurization and become top-heavy.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/spacex-loses-its-third-starship-prototype-during-a-cryogenic-test/

[lightfoot]

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Sure. Won't happen without government intervention or *lack* of government intervention. The key truth about capitalism is that it's a race to the bottom to produce items and a race to top to price items. If one company makes widgets in the us for $1.00 and someone else can make it for $.1 in Crapistan, then people will buy from Crapistan, especially if the other true costs (risks, shipping, etc) can be hidden.

Lack of Govt intervention is not bailing these companies out when things go bad. That won't happen. Government intervention includes laws requiring things to be sourced locally, but then the people who can make short term profits in China will scream about evil socialism all day.

Not as simple as you think. Plus even if you do things now people will forget about this in a year.

[OROBTC]

• We need to be manufacturing much more of our pharmaceuticals (including the vital precursor chemicals) here.  In US plants (Europe as well).  It is awful that we have to put up with Chicom threats to cutting us off our pharma.  I understand that many pharma companies strongly resist this (higher costs, they are not ready, etc.).  Well TS.  We should have started this process a long time ago.
• Similarly we need to start mining Rare Earth metals here in North America (Europe has some deposits as well).  These are vital to new technologies and for alternative energy (inc. electric cars).  We have to break down the barriers to opening rare earth mines, and to build the processing plants to turn the minerals into useful products (magnets, etc.).
• And we need to produce more electronic components here in North America and Europe.  Trump has already suggested to Tim Cook that Apple building more plants here in the USA would be a good idea.  We are very dependent on China in components as well.

Sure. Won't happen without government intervention or *lack* of government intervention. The key truth about capitalism is that it's a race to the bottom to produce items and a race to top to price items. If one company makes widgets in the us for $1.00 and someone else can make it for $.1 in Crapistan, then people will buy from Crapistan, especially if the other true costs (risks, shipping, etc) can be hidden.

Lack of Govt intervention is not bailing these companies out when things go bad. That won't happen. Government intervention includes laws requiring things to be sourced locally, but then the people who can make short term profits in China will scream about evil socialism all day.

Not as simple as you think. Plus even if you do things now people will forget about this in a year.

You are likely correct.  It would take a LOT of money and a lot of time.  I am not naive when it comes to the above.  It's also a complex set of problems with lots of moral hazards, as you hint at in your comment.  It's a tough road ahead, whether we go down that path, or leave us open to future disasters.  I can't pretend to know the future.  What I sketch out above (and in the other thread) just seems to make sense that we undertake some smart rebuilding.

[hv_]

"Stimulus package just hit, time to buy some $BTC."

https://twitter.com/runtheirstops/status/1245860497586454535

Seems like he might also be enjoying some package stimulus.

do you need glasses?  

REDTUBE and PORNHUB are photoshoped by an amateur.  

EDIT: seems faked in several ways.

Including the fact he couldn't even spell Treasury correctly  

Lol. Hellicoopter mony ?

[aesma]

Some issues to take care of, about 80 pages behind.

Totally OT question - which uninstaller program for Windows would you recommend?

Revo uninstaller

While on this tangent, what's a decent free antivirus? Sick of popups and ads.

On windows I keep the windows one.

[VB1001]

https://twitter.com/howmuch_net/status/1242794518556086280

It is correct, but I do not see the beers, liquor, wines, champagne, tobacco, the little vices help to live.