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wow silver and gold are whaling

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Rank..Name.......Market Cap.......Price   24h   
01).  GOLD   $31.323 T_____$4,505    0.80%  3.89%.      bold is daily and weekly price jump   
02).  NVIDIA.     $ 4.579 T_____$188.11      
03)   Apple   $ 4.029 T_____$271.55      
04)  SILVER       $ 4.002 T_____$71.1      3.70%   11.37%
05)  Google      $3.804 T ______$315.14   
06)  Microsoft   $3.614 T ______$486.28      
07)  Amazon     $2.473 T______$231.37      
08)  Bitcoin      $1.75 T_______ $87,695      
09). Vanguard $1.703 T_______   $264.62      
10)  META        $1.673 T _______   $663.9      
11) Broadcom $1.652 T_______   $348.57
12) TESLA.     $1.611 T-----------$484.55   

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24)Platinum  $572.9 B   $2,291   9.68%   22.28%   way up

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47)Palladium $343 B   $1,960   7.05%   18.00%    way up



a very clear retreat to metals is occurring
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Very worrying...

"In the meantime, as AI power demand rises, communities like Pilsen, which have successfully fought to close some pollution sources in recent history, may find peaker plants more difficult to fight.
“It all adds up to significant cost increases for electricity consumers and significant increases in local pollution and will prevent new clean energy generation from connecting to the grid," said John Quigley, of the University of Pennsylvania’s Kleinman Center for Energy Policy.
PJM said it would continue to connect carbon-free renewable power, nuclear and gas-fired energy to the grid regardless of whether peakers stay on longer.
"We need every single megawatt of energy we can get right now," Shields said. Deactivating existing power plants, he added, "ignores reality." "
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so, the right thing is to switch to AI data center, and make it a little worse,...Or rather, if you think about the fact that the largest mining farms have clean energy at their disposal...

... taking advantage of the fact that they("While peaker plants contribute about 3% of the country’s power, they have the total capacity to produce 19%, according to a report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office.") have the capacity to generate 19% of the total, and are still at 3%...


America’s Biggest Bitcoin Miners Are Pivoting to AI

 In the face of a profitability crisis, industrial-scale bitcoin miners are transforming their data centers into AI factories.


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Bitcoin Miners Pivot to AI Data Centers: A Strategic Shift in 2025

From Proof-of-Work to Proof-of-Compute

In the early 2020s, Bitcoin miners were celebrated—and often criticized—for their sheer energy consumption. Massive facilities in rural America, Iceland, and Kazakhstan ran day and night, performing trillions of hash calculations per second to secure the Bitcoin network. But as the economics of crypto mining evolved, and AI infrastructure demand exploded, many of these miners found themselves facing a strategic crossroads.

By mid-2025, a surprising transformation is well underway: dozens of former Bitcoin mining firms have begun to repurpose their infrastructure into AI data centers, turning their GPU-rich, power-intensive setups into rentable compute farms for training, inference, and high-performance computing.
...

Why Crypto Mining Firms Are Well-Positioned to Serve AI

At first glance, Bitcoin mining and AI might seem like unrelated worlds. But a closer look reveals that many of the requirements overlap:

Massive electrical capacity: Mining farms are often located in regions with direct substation access and can handle 10MW+ loads.

Efficient cooling systems: Miners already operate hot machines in dense clusters, sometimes in challenging climates.

Low-latency fiber: Most have optimized network setups for rapid transaction verification and uptime reliability.

Automation and monitoring expertise: These firms built some of the first fully automated, remote-managed compute centers.

While the underlying workloads are different—hashing SHA-256 vs. training transformer models—the operational DNA is largely the same

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wow silver and gold are whaling

https://8marketcap.com

Rank..Name.......Market Cap.......Price   24h   
01).  GOLD   $31.323 T_____$4,505    0.80%  3.89%.      bold is daily and weekly price jump   
02).  NVIDIA.     $ 4.579 T_____$188.11      
03)   Apple   $ 4.029 T_____$271.55      
04)  SILVER       $ 4.002 T_____$71.1      3.70%   11.37%
05)  Google      $3.804 T ______$315.14   
06)  Microsoft   $3.614 T ______$486.28      
07)  Amazon     $2.473 T______$231.37      
08)  Bitcoin      $1.75 T_______ $87,695      
09). Vanguard $1.703 T_______   $264.62      
10)  META        $1.673 T _______   $663.9      
11) Broadcom $1.652 T_______   $348.57
12) TESLA.     $1.611 T-----------$484.55   

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24)Platinum  $572.9 B   $2,291   9.68%   22.28%   way up

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47)Palladium $343 B   $1,960   7.05%   18.00%    way up



a very clear retreat to metals is occurring

Could be generational:
1980 was at the time when boomers (then the largest cohort) were in their 20ies-30ies.
2025 is when millennials (the largest cohort) are in their late thirties (peaking in earnings).
I don't 100% subscribe to demographics being the main driver of economics, but this certainly has an influence.

Personally, i think that going back to gold and silver is just stupid, but I don't make the rules.
I wanted to buy a couple of gold coins in 2023 just to play with them, but never acted on this thought.
I periodically bought and sold GLD and SLV, but never had patience to hold them too long.
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..

I also plan to taken advantage of the stalled-out BTC price myself with a rather significant purchase, but I'll be doing it my way through a regulated wrapper...  Lips sealed
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And it didn't take long for you to get to your true agenda.
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wow silver and gold are whaling

https://8marketcap.com

Rank..Name.......Market Cap.......Price   24h   
01).  GOLD   $31.323 T_____$4,505    0.80%  3.89%.      bold is daily and weekly price jump   
02).  NVIDIA.     $ 4.579 T_____$188.11      
03)   Apple   $ 4.029 T_____$271.55      
04)  SILVER       $ 4.002 T_____$71.1      3.70%   11.37%
05)  Google      $3.804 T ______$315.14   
06)  Microsoft   $3.614 T ______$486.28      
07)  Amazon     $2.473 T______$231.37      
08)  Bitcoin      $1.75 T_______ $87,695      
09). Vanguard $1.703 T_______   $264.62      
10)  META        $1.673 T _______   $663.9      
11) Broadcom $1.652 T_______   $348.57
12) TESLA.     $1.611 T-----------$484.55   

<snip>

24)Platinum  $572.9 B   $2,291   9.68%   22.28%   way up

<snip>


47)Palladium $343 B   $1,960   7.05%   18.00%    way up



a very clear retreat to metals is occurring

Could be generational:
1980 was at the time when boomers (then the largest cohort) were in their 20ies-30ies.
2025 is when millennials (the largest cohort) are in their late thirties (peaking in earnings).
I don't 100% subscribe to demographics being the main driver of economics, but this certainly has an influence.

Personally, i think that going back to gold and silver is just stupid, but I don't make the rules.
I wanted to buy a couple of gold coins in 2023 just to play with them, but never acted on this thought.
I periodically bought a sold GLD and SLV, but never had patience to hold them too long.

Hey for me It is like buying btc at 1/2 the current price.

As the silver is over 2x what I paid for it.

So I am getting 87k btc at a cost of 43k 2023 dollars.

I will end up adding over 10k in btc for dec and Jan,
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OT: FDA approved oral Wegovy pill (from Novo Nordisk) yesterday.
Benefits: up to 15% weight loss at the max dose plus up to 2.1% decrease in A1C (!), once a day pill.
You have to take it on an empty stomach 30 min before food or drink (apart from water), so this is a bit of a limitation, but a mild one.
I think prescriptions would start to be filled in January.

https://www.statnews.com/2025/12/22/wegovy-pill-oral-weight-loss-treatment-approved/

Apparently, 1/8 (16%) of US population is already either on Ozempic/Wegovy (NovoNordisk) or Mounjaro/Zepbound EliLilly).
This would probably at least double with the orals (ElyLilly compound comes 6-7 mo later; it seems less effective, but more convenient-you can take it any time during the day).
All of this would give patients lots of choices: from low loss to moderate to high and from prescribed and covered (for diabetics) to prescribed and out of pocket (cash pay).

Without endorsing any, it is an amazing feat of figuring out what biological pathways are involved and designing an effective meds to affect them (EliLilly is already >$1 tril company).
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Why is Bitcoin performing so terribly this year in comparison to everything else.

Precious metals are at all time highs every fucking day and stocks have been making new highs all year, even today. This isn’t supposed to happen.
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Why is Bitcoin performing so terribly this year is comparison to everything else.

Metals are at all time highs and so are stocks. This isn’t supposed to happen.

This was foretold and warned about by a few of us as a natural result of Derivative markets.
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Why is Bitcoin performing so terribly this year in comparison to everything else.

Metals are at all time highs and so are stocks. This isn’t supposed to happen.

The retreat to metals is huge.

One issue is MAGA is pro BTC (and crypto) This means 50% or 45% of adult Americans will be anti BTC (and Crypto)

I would argue BTC (and crypto) should never have become a Maga anti Maga issue. but it has.

So old school Maga people do silver and gold.
and anti Maga people do silver and gold.

this means 75% of adult Americans are not doing BTC (and crypto)

There is more than this obviously but it certainly is true and a part.
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Why is Bitcoin performing so terribly this year in comparison to everything else.

Precious metals are at all time highs every fucking day and stocks have been making new highs all year, even today. This isn’t supposed to happen.

A million $ question, isn't it?

My explanation is that WS figured out that they could make lots of money in this, but first, they need to get a discount.
They did the same with Internet in 2001-2002: brought AMZN down 95%...no kidding, then loaded up.
So, now, they are gaming that discount.

As far as derivatives are concerned-not a main factor, imho, as derivatives are also prominent in gold/silver.
WS uses derivatives to enhance whatever trend they are pursuing.

I intend to hodl regardless.
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wow silver and gold are whaling

https://8marketcap.com

Rank..Name.......Market Cap.......Price   24h   
01).  GOLD   $31.323 T_____$4,505    0.80%  3.89%.      bold is daily and weekly price jump   
02).  NVIDIA.     $ 4.579 T_____$188.11      
03)   Apple   $ 4.029 T_____$271.55      
04)  SILVER       $ 4.002 T_____$71.1      3.70%   11.37%
05)  Google      $3.804 T ______$315.14   
06)  Microsoft   $3.614 T ______$486.28      
07)  Amazon     $2.473 T______$231.37      
08)  Bitcoin      $1.75 T_______ $87,695      
09). Vanguard $1.703 T_______   $264.62      
10)  META        $1.673 T _______   $663.9      
11) Broadcom $1.652 T_______   $348.57
12) TESLA.     $1.611 T-----------$484.55   

...
a very clear retreat to metals is occurring

I agree that a pullback in metals will happen and before the summer.  Looking at that list, I see a lot of assets that I took profits on this year as my stock portfolio beat the S&P 500, my silver pile destroyed it, and I got a 7 figure amount of USD out from BTC before the crash.  Not a bad year...

From that list, I took profits on Silver, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Bitcoin, & Tesla as I reduced exposure to AI and Bitcoin.  Bring on 2026!
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OT: FDA approved oral Wegovy pill (from Novo Nordisk) yesterday.
Benefits: up to 15% weight loss at the max dose plus up to 2.1% decrease in A1C (!), once a day pill.
You have to take it on an empty stomach 30 min before food or drink (apart from water), so this is a bit of a limitation, but a mild one.
I think prescriptions would start to be filled in January.

https://www.statnews.com/2025/12/22/wegovy-pill-oral-weight-loss-treatment-approved/

Apparently, 1/8 (16%) of US population is already either on Ozempic/Wegovy (NovoNordisk) or Mounjaro/Zepbound EliLilly).
This would probably at least double with the orals (ElyLilly compound comes 6-7 mo later; it seems less effective, but more convenient-you can take it any time during the day).
All of this would give patients lots of choices: from low loss to moderate to high and from prescribed and covered (for diabetics) to prescribed and out of pocket (cash pay).

Without endorsing any, it is an amazing feat of figuring out what biological pathways are involved and designing an effective meds to affect them (EliLilly is already >$1 tril company).

Absolutely nothing in life is free.

Evidently, we have to learn the same lesson over and over again.
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Why is Bitcoin performing so terribly this year is comparison to everything else.

Metals are at all time highs and so are stocks. This isn’t supposed to happen.

This was foretold and warned about by a few of us as a natural result of Derivative markets.

Exactly. The ETFs and all the various other downstream stuff has a cost and this is it.  The inflows and hype drew us up above $100,000, though. Seems we lose sight of that. Bitcoin is almost $90,000 right now.

But, as I've said for years now, I think the inevitable price suppression and institutional paper games being played with Bitcoin are gonna beat the shit out of some people who might not yet realize that the properties of Bitcoin make it a little different than something like gold when you're trying to manipulate the price.

In the end, self-custody is the most powerful weapon against this problem.  If the people who are in these markets just to make more dollars betting on Bitcoin actually become converts to the idea of Bitcoin in the end, then hopefully a significant percentage of those people will also realize that sovereignty requires the responsibility of holding your own keys.
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It could be that we can lecture guys about exercising poor judgement.. yet we don't always know the circumstances of the other guys.. It probably does help to also speak about some personal experiences if we are comparing / contrasting what other guys had done if we might believe that we would have had dealt with the circumstances better.
Well in my case I sold a bit too early, but I had no doubts about any of this. I could not say for sure how much in percentage it was this was a long time ago. I do remember selling other forks too like that Bitcoin Diamond and some others. Wasn't there also another airdrop around this type Byteball or something like this? I remember also getting some from that.
Airdrops and forks were very popular through out late 2017 and even into a good part of 2018 - there were quite a few of them..and then maybe the started to fade out in late 2018.. and some of them were starting to have some spectacular implosions by late 2018.  I think Diamond and Gold and private and a few others were in late 2017... Of course BSV did not split off from BCH until November 2018... so there was drama around that for a good 6-9 months or more.
The worst shit of that "era" is coming back, im not refering to the airdrops or forks, is the shit of the ICOs, i saw some preyects again making that shit i hope they dissapear before they even can scam anyone.

Is sad to see again this people trying to raise money on that way from the people.

There have been all kinds of ways to scam folks out of their bitcoin whether shitcoins, ICOs, hardforks, meme coins, ordinals, inscriptions, NFTs, ETFs, bitcoin treasuries, stable coins, and perhaps variations of these will repeat.  Each of us have to ongoingly stay vigilant in regards to not getting distracted into inferior products, even if there are various ways to entice folks into such inferior products.
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This subject is not from today, and it will not end tomorrow.

Pullback won't be as strong for gold. So, the key question to ask yourself would be:

<'The New Gold Rush, why Banks Are Adding To Their Gold Reserves' > (?)

">“Gold used to be extremely predictable in how it responded to dollar movements,” notes veteran trader Maria Sanchez. “Not anymore. The playbook has changed completely.”

Central Banks Are Stockpiling Gold at Historic Rates

The smoking gun behind gold’s relentless climb? Central banks worldwide are buying at rates not seen in modern financial history.

For 15 straight years, central banks have been net buyers of gold, but in 2022, they went into overdrive. The World Gold Council reports they added a staggering 1,082 metric tons to their reserves that year alone – a historic record. That buying pace continued through 2023 and 2024, with over 1,000 metric tons added each year.

To put this in perspective: central banks are now buying gold at roughly double their pre-2022 rate.

China stands out among the buyers, having added to its gold reserves for 31 consecutive months through April 2025. Russia, Poland, Turkey, and India have also been significant players in this global gold grab.

A former central banking official speaking on condition of anonymity told me: “There’s been a fundamental shift in how we view reserve assets. The freezing of Russian assets was a watershed moment that forced everyone to reassess vulnerability.”
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HSBC: Don’t Expect a Major Pullback

HSBC’s chief precious metals analyst James Steel admits gold appears overvalued by traditional metrics but sees minimal risk of significant decline. The bank cites geopolitical factors and tariff concerns as persistent supports for elevated prices.
.....

“The market will likely stay elevated,” Steel writes, “and central banks will step in to buy any meaningful dips.”

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>https://wallstreetwatchdogs.com/2025/04/21/golds-rush-to-4000-why-central-banks-cant-get-enough-of-the-shiny-stuff/

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This strategic pivot is not merely an opportunistic move but a calculated response to a complex interplay of factors, including escalating geopolitical tensions, persistent inflationary pressures, and a growing desire for monetary independence. As central banks continue to add thousands of tonnes of gold to their vaults, the impact on global gold demand, market prices, and the broader financial system is undeniable, prompting a re-evaluation of economic resilience and national sovereignty in an increasingly uncertain world....
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Unprecedented Accumulation: A New Era for Gold Reserves
The current era marks the most aggressive institutional gold purchasing behavior in modern monetary history, with central banks establishing a new paradigm for reserve management. Following years of moderate accumulation, net purchases surged to a record-breaking 1,136 tonnes in 2022, a trend that continued with 1,051 tonnes in 2023 and 1,045 tonnes in 2024. As of the third quarter of 2025, year-to-date accumulation has reached 634 tonnes, with projections suggesting total net purchases for 2025 could approach 900 tonnes. This sustained 15-year streak of expansion underscores a profound evolution in global monetary policy.

The motivations behind this gold rush are multifaceted. Geopolitical risk diversification stands out as a primary driver, with international tensions and the weaponization of currencies reinforcing gold's appeal as a politically neutral asset. Central banks increasingly view gold as insurance against potential economic warfare and disruptions to the financial system. Concurrently, a broader "de-dollarization" trend is evident, as nations seek to reduce reliance on the US dollar and other fiat currencies, opting for gold's autonomous value storage, which is immune to political pressures and currency manipulations.
....

Winners:

The most direct beneficiaries are gold mining companies. With gold prices exceeding $4,000 per ounce (XAU) in late 2025, miners are enjoying significantly higher revenues and profit margins. Major global producers such as Newmont Corporation (NYSE: NEM), Barrick Gold Corporation (NYSE: GOLD), and Agnico Eagle Mines Limited (NYSE: AEM) are seeing increased investor interest and are likely to accelerate exploration and production efforts. Smaller and mid-tier miners also stand to gain, with higher prices making previously uneconomical deposits viable. Companies providing mining equipment and services, such as Caterpillar Inc. (NYSE: CAT) and Komatsu Ltd. (TYO: 6301), could also see increased demand for their products as mining operations expand.

Furthermore, gold refiners, vaulting services, and precious metals dealers are experiencing a boom. Companies specializing in the secure storage and transport of gold, like Brink's Company (NYSE: BKS) or specialized divisions of financial institutions, will see increased demand for their services as central banks and private investors seek secure storage for their growing gold holdings. Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs) that track gold prices, such as SPDR Gold Shares (NYSE Arca: GLD) and iShares Gold Trust (NYSE Arca: IAU), are likely to attract more capital, benefiting their managing firms.

Losers (or those facing challenges):

While direct "losers" are less clear-cut, certain sectors or companies might face indirect challenges. Financial institutions heavily invested in traditional fiat currency reserves or government bonds might see a relative decline in the appeal of those assets compared to gold, potentially impacting their portfolio performance or diversification strategies.....
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Key players in this accumulation include nations across Asia-Pacific and Eastern Europe. Poland (67.2 tonnes), Azerbaijan (34.5 tonnes), Kazakhstan (22.1 tonnes), China (19 tonnes), and Turkey (17.2 tonnes) were among the leading accumulators in the first half of 2025. India also significantly boosted its reserves, adding approximately 600 kilograms between April and September 2025, bringing its total to 880 tonnes. This widespread participation highlights a global consensus on gold's strategic importance, with many nations even repatriating significant portions of their gold reserves from abroad to enhance control and security.
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>https://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/article/marketminute-2025-11-10-central-banks-gold-rush-a-strategic-pivot-reshaping-global-finance

-De-Dollarization should be the oficial answer....

##: Note. I believe I may have mixed the subjects of the two links,
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this was my private opinion, but 'AI' has her opinion too, Why not?

AI' s answer my Question:

Central banks are increasing their gold reserves due to geopolitical tensions, economic instability, and a desire to diversify away from dollar-dominated assets. This trend reflects a shift towards viewing gold as a safe haven and a hedge against inflation and currency devaluation.

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But, the silver reserves are very large, I don't see so much foundation in the rise of silver,
 I see that they are piggybacking on the gold hype, and then it collapses,
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December 23, 2025, 09:49:45 PM
Merited by Gachapin (1), Hottiek (1)

I can't believe Xmas is coming but no gay greeting cards on WO?  Grin

Here, I'll go first (AI assisted this time, I asked to make it Tom of Finland style):


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