Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

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[Lucius]

Social network of A.I. agents, interesting, humans don't enter,...

 but then, agents can hire human beings to perform tasks and services in general,
 if you are in need of a job, you can already send a resume to A.I.

 

The good part you will receive in crypto.

>>>

 A new platform called Rentahuman.ai flips the usual narrative about automation on its head.
 Instead of people hiring software to do tasks, software hires people to act on its behalf.
 Not as assistants. Not as supervisors. As contract labor for autonomous agents.
~snip~

There are some very interesting agents and they're not too expensive - Kimber will fulfill all your AI wishes

[xhomerx10]

Consistent hard work
Multiple seasons HODL
Blue water reward.

 I really appreciate you Mr. El duderino_
You're a model of dedication, perseverance, consistency and patience; the personification of HODL.

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[philipma1957]

well 71 is better than 61 and hashrate/difficulty is moving up a bit

https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/difficulty-estimator

Latest Block:   935592  (a few seconds ago)

Current Pace:   108.7934%  (169 / 155.34 expected, 13.66 ahead)

Previous Difficulty:   141668107417558.2                           
Current Difficulty:   125864590119494.3                           
Next Difficulty:   between 127691969493523 and 138174742842399
Next Difficulty Change:   between +1.4519% and +9.7805%
Previous Retarget:   Yesterday at 8:42 AM  (-11.1553%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   February 20, 2026 at 5:33 AM  (in 11d 18h 57m 7s)
Next Retarget (latest):   February 21, 2026 at 4:21 AM  (in 12d 17h 44m 51s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 12d 20h 50m 31s and 13d 19h 38m 15s

It is way early but I project +3% to +6% which would be a good show of mining faith in the coin

[Richy_T]

2) sell it all in nov 2013 thus 1300x1o0= 130000 usd

Good luck seeing that 130,000 if you were trading on MtGox. Though I think those involved in that still came out ahead in the end?

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[JayJuanGee]

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The first quarter of the year is terrible for Bitcoin holders but i see Bitcoin bouncing back at the third quarter of the year so holders of bitcoins should hoard it since Bitcoin is on the low. Hoarding Bitcoin will surely make the price shoot up. If the Bitcoin in circulation is reduced then more money chasing it will make the price rebounce in favor of the holders

What about you Bigjoe158?  You have not been registered here very long (only 5-ish months).  

You consider yourself a HODLer?

It takes a while to build up a stash, so I would think that many guys are just ongoingly buying bitcoin unless they run out of cash, yet that is where DCA comes into play whether a guy is putting in $100 per week or some other amount that might be suitable to his own income situation.

[philipma1957]

2) sell it all in nov 2013 thus 1300x1o0= 130000 usd

Good luck seeing that 130,000 if you were trading on MtGox. Though I think those involved in that still came out ahead in the end?

my point exactly.

does anyone really think some one purchased 100 coins at six bucks each and did perfect trading turning it into 30,000,000,000

answer i doubt that.

the more likely big winners where those that got tens of thousands of coins at 2 or 3 cents a coin.

they held till 1000 and shaved off 1000 coins. gives them a million bucks and still have 19,000 coins.

at 5,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 2.5 million and still have 18,500 coins

at 10,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 5 million and still have 18,000 coins

at 25,000 they sold 400 coins gives them 10 million  and they still have 17,600 coins

at 50,000 they sold 300 coins gives them  15 million and they still have 17,300 coins

at 100,000 they sold 300 coins gives them 30 million and they still have 17,000 coins

so buy 20,000 coins at 2 cents or 400 bucks in

and simply hodl with some shaving off.

it is far more likely people did this.

63.5 million dollars cashed out and 17,000 stashed coins.

[vapourminer]

2) sell it all in nov 2013 thus 1300x1o0= 130000 usd

Good luck seeing that 130,000 if you were trading on MtGox. Though I think those involved in that still came out ahead in the end?

got ~20% of BTC back

so loss in BTC but the forced decade+ hodl made wild returns in fiat

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[WatChe]

Celebrating "Basant" Festival in Lahore (Kite Flying).

I am not good in Kite Flying but still it was fun with friends.

[Biodom]

Consistent hard work
Multiple seasons HODL
Blue water reward.

Super fit!

Good travels, El duderino!

[WatChe]

Consistent hard work
Multiple seasons HODL
Blue water reward.

The guy must be around 35. Super Fit

Can you share your diet plan for others to get benefit, specially things you avoid.

[JayJuanGee]

2) sell it all in nov 2013 thus 1300x1o0= 130000 usd

Good luck seeing that 130,000 if you were trading on MtGox. Though I think those involved in that still came out ahead in the end?

my point exactly.
does anyone really think some one purchased 100 coins at six bucks each and did perfect trading turning it into 30,000,000,000
answer i doubt that.

Your point about trading is valid, especially the illusion of guys being able to actually sell their BTC at or near the top and then to be able to buy back at or near the bottom.    It would be retarded to even try.. especially with the whole stash.

AT the same time, even in your example, it is quite apparent that just buying 100 BTC at $6 each ($600) puts a guy in great place 15 years down the road without doing anything - and even if the guy continued to add to his BTC stash at $100 per month or something like that would also created a whole hell of a lot of BTC without having to sell.

Don't get me wrong, I am not even opposed to some selling along the way, as long as it is a generally reasonable percentage and the guy has mostly gotten to a decent stash (even though I don't like the idea of selling with the intention of buying back cheaper, even though sometimes abilities to buy back cheaper will end up happening for guys who might sell some relatively small portions of their BTC stash at various increments as it is going up in price).

I had mentioned the possibility of buying $100 per month starting from mid-2011 to early 2013, so for 20 months and having had invested $2k and having an average cost per coin around $10.  So then that would be 200 bitcoin.

A guy could have had waited until January 1, 2017 to start to cash out 10% of the 200-WMA dollar value of then 200 BTC, and right now he would still have 125.5 BTC, even though he would have had withdrawn 74.5 BTC that would have had gotten him an income of $2.3 million over that period of time.  

Bitcoin allows for a lot of potential income once the stash gets to a reasonable enough level to allow for measured withdrawals, rather than trying to trade it.

the more likely big winners where those that got tens of thousands of coins at 2 or 3 cents a coin.

The thing is that you don't have to go for such outrageously large numbers for the profits to still get to great numbers.  You don't have to consider buying them all at the bottom - even though sure, that would have had worked out too, but it is not necessary to think in terms of thousands of coins - even though surely thousands of coins in 2010 or 2011 could have had allowed to start the sustainable withdrawal even in 2012-ish and starting to sell small amounts in 2012...  even though it probably would make sense to not start selling until 2014.

So for example even a guy with a mere stash of 1,000 coins could have had started selling 10% of the 200-WMA dollar value per year in January 2014, and he would still have 533 BTC today, and he would have had sold nearly $10 million over the past 12-ish years.
 

they held till 1000 and shaved off 1000 coins. gives them a million bucks and still have 19,000 coins.

at 5,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 2.5 million and still have 18,500 coins
at 10,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 5 million and still have 18,000 coins
at 25,000 they sold 400 coins gives them 10 million  and they still have 17,600 coins
at 50,000 they sold 300 coins gives them  15 million and they still have 17,300 coins
at 100,000 they sold 300 coins gives them 30 million and they still have 17,000 coins
so buy 20,000 coins at 2 cents or 400 bucks in
and simply hodl with some shaving off.

Sure.  All of that is possible too, but it is not necessary in order to still profit stupendously without needing to have such outrageously high numbers.
 

it is far more likely people did this.

63.5 million dollars cashed out and 17,000 stashed coins.

You are describing fantasy scenarios that are not very likely to have had happened to very many folks, even though sure, some variation of that likely did happen to a few folks.

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[philipma1957]

2) sell it all in nov 2013 thus 1300x1o0= 130000 usd

Good luck seeing that 130,000 if you were trading on MtGox. Though I think those involved in that still came out ahead in the end?

my point exactly.
does anyone really think some one purchased 100 coins at six bucks each and did perfect trading turning it into 30,000,000,000
answer i doubt that.

Your point about trading is valid, especially the illusion of guys being able to actually sell their BTC at or near the top and then to be able to buy back at or near the bottom.    It would be retarded to even try.. especially with the whole stash.

AT the same time, even in your example, it is quite apparent that just buying 100 BTC at $6 each ($600) puts a guy in great place 15 years down the road without doing anything - and even if the guy continued to add to his BTC stash at $100 per month or something like that would also created a whole hell of a lot of BTC without having to sell.

Don't get me wrong, I am not even opposed to some selling along the way, as long as it is a generally reasonable percentage and the guy has mostly gotten to a decent stash (even though I don't like the idea of selling with the intention of buying back cheaper, even though sometimes abilities to buy back cheaper will end up happening for guys who might sell some relatively small portions of their BTC stash at various increments as it is going up in price).

I had mentioned the possibility of buying $100 per month starting from mid-2011 to early 2013, so for 20 months and having had invested $2k and having an average cost per coin around $10.  So then that would be 200 bitcoin.

A guy could have had waited until January 1, 2017 to start to cash out 10% of the 200-WMA dollar value of then 200 BTC, and right now he would still have 125.5 BTC, even though he would have had withdrawn 74.5 BTC that would have had gotten him an income of $2.3 million over that period of time.  

Bitcoin allows for a lot of potential income once the stash gets to a reasonable enough level to allow for measured withdrawals, rather than trying to trade it.

the more likely big winners where those that got tens of thousands of coins at 2 or 3 cents a coin.

The thing is that you don't have to go for such outrageously large numbers for the profits to still get to great numbers.  You don't have to consider buying them all at the bottom - even though sure, that would have had worked out too, but it is not necessary to think in terms of thousands of coins - even though surely thousands of coins in 2010 or 2011 could have had allowed to start the sustainable withdrawal even in 2012-ish and starting to sell small amounts in 2012...  even though it probably would make sense to not start selling until 2014.

So for example even a guy with a mere stash of 1,000 coins could have had started selling 10% of the 200-WMA dollar value per year in January 2014, and he would still have 533 BTC today, and he would have had sold nearly $10 million over the past 12-ish years.
 

they held till 1000 and shaved off 1000 coins. gives them a million bucks and still have 19,000 coins.

at 5,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 2.5 million and still have 18,500 coins
at 10,000 they sold 500 coins gives them 5 million and still have 18,000 coins
at 25,000 they sold 400 coins gives them 10 million  and they still have 17,600 coins
at 50,000 they sold 300 coins gives them  15 million and they still have 17,300 coins
at 100,000 they sold 300 coins gives them 30 million and they still have 17,000 coins
so buy 20,000 coins at 2 cents or 400 bucks in
and simply hodl with some shaving off.

Sure.  All of that is possible too, but it is not necessary in order to still profit stupendously without needing to have such outrageously high numbers.
 

it is far more likely people did this.

63.5 million dollars cashed out and 17,000 stashed coins.

You are describing fantasy scenarios that are not very likely to have had happened to very many folks, even though sure, some variation of that likely did happen to a few folks.

I am describing two ways a person made huge money.
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One is a perfect trader that began with 100 btc purchased at six dollars. In Dec 2012

He traded it to 30 billion

My guess is No one did this too hard to be that perfect.

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TWO. BUY 20000 COINS for 400 usd or 600 usd. When coins were super cheap.
Then peel some off at

    1,000 coin price
    5,000 coin price
  20,000 coin price
  50,000 coin price
100,000 coin price
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I am fairly certain people did this more or less but similar to this example 2.


This is more or less me siding with you JJG and against trading.


But in either case getting in during 2010 to 2016 was very important along with believing that BTC would grow over 100k.

Any one that got in during 2010 to 2016 got  coins from pennies to 1300 usd. Just hold those coins till 100k became a large score.

[OgNasty]

^ The four year cycle hadn’t been demonstrated yet in 2013. That was the first data point. It became obvious what was happening by 2017, so it took me around 5 years in Bitcoin to figure it out.

I do find it interesting that the people who are “against trading” were fine setting up ladder trades and selling in the 40s when I told them not to, and were buying with ladders on the way down from $120K when I told them not to, or are selling 4% every year even in down markets when I tell them not to… but I sell the top once every four years and suddenly I’m the trader for cashing out massive gains.

You and JJG are the traders phil… I’m an investor.

Actually, JJG only sells BTC, so he’s not really a Bitcoin trader, more like a Bitcoin traitor.

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