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[BitHodlers]

The upside is that we all will get a free quantum resistant Bitcoin for every Bitcoin we have now. You just have to decide if you want to gamble and choose to sell one or keep them both. Given the quantum FUD at the moment, the market would likely choose whatever new fork the core devs push and I think it is a safe bet that some other things will be slipped in to take advantage of this unique opportunity as well.

It seems to be saying that it's a soft-fork which means it's intended to be slipped in sneakily by the backdoor like segwit and not in a way the community can reject like Bitcoin Cash.

Anything that can be done as a soft-fork will always be done that way, that is not really a big point here as we avoid hard forks. As I said, this is not proposed by main Core people and is probably already rejected by them. Good FUD though.

[Richy_T]

and I would suggest to the owners of those frozen coins they should move them now .

If a person lost the keys or died they can't really move them now can they? 

Or locked up in an Ecuadorian embassy in London, for example.

[Richy_T]

The upside is that we all will get a free quantum resistant Bitcoin for every Bitcoin we have now. You just have to decide if you want to gamble and choose to sell one or keep them both. Given the quantum FUD at the moment, the market would likely choose whatever new fork the core devs push and I think it is a safe bet that some other things will be slipped in to take advantage of this unique opportunity as well.

It seems to be saying that it's a soft-fork which means it's intended to be slipped in sneakily by the backdoor like segwit and not in a way the community can reject like Bitcoin Cash.

Anything that can be done as a soft-fork will always be done that way, that is not really a big point here as we avoid hard forks. As I said, this is not proposed by main Core people and is probably already rejected by them. Good FUD though.

The point is, there will not be any air-drop. And yes, obviously people will exercise power in ways that are difficult to oppose.

[Hueristic]

Well, WS is on board.
Now, the last vestige is the "intellectual opposition" that is coming from the AI field.

Posting mostly for a reference (obviously,  I disagree):
Here is AWG from the "Moonshots":

https://youtu.be/5ak26W2YNRY?t=6103

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

The theft of funds which violates one of the base tenets of the bitcoin protocol is not amusing on any level.

[OgNasty]

The upside is that we all will get a free quantum resistant Bitcoin for every Bitcoin we have now. You just have to decide if you want to gamble and choose to sell one or keep them both. Given the quantum FUD at the moment, the market would likely choose whatever new fork the core devs push and I think it is a safe bet that some other things will be slipped in to take advantage of this unique opportunity as well.

It seems to be saying that it's a soft-fork which means it's intended to be slipped in sneakily by the backdoor like segwit and not in a way the community can reject like Bitcoin Cash.

Anything that can be done as a soft-fork will always be done that way, that is not really a big point here as we avoid hard forks. As I said, this is not proposed by main Core people and is probably already rejected by them. Good FUD though.

The point is, there will not be any air-drop. And yes, obviously people will exercise power in ways that are difficult to oppose.

You cannot say that for certain. Sure, core will frame it as a soft fork that won’t cause a break in the chain, but there will be people who oppose the soft fork and split the chain to keep the old rules. Proposing it as a soft fork when they know a large segment of the community won’t go along with it is how they will pretend to be the good guys who are against splitting the chain when in reality they left the rest of us no other choice.

[Biodom]

Well, WS is on board.
Now, the last vestige is the "intellectual opposition" that is coming from the AI field.

Posting mostly for a reference (obviously,  I disagree):
Here is AWG from the "Moonshots":

https://youtu.be/5ak26W2YNRY?t=6103

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

The theft of funds which violates one of the base tenets of the bitcoin protocol is not amusing on any level.

Who stole funds? And from where? Sorry, I did not follow.
"amusing" clearly referred to the fact that three people were students in the same dorm room

[ChartBuddy]

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[Hueristic]

Well, WS is on board.
Now, the last vestige is the "intellectual opposition" that is coming from the AI field.

Posting mostly for a reference (obviously,  I disagree):
Here is AWG from the "Moonshots":

https://youtu.be/5ak26W2YNRY?t=6103

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

The theft of funds which violates one of the base tenets of the bitcoin protocol is not amusing on any level.

Who stole funds? And from where? Sorry, I did not follow.
"amusing" clearly referred to the fact that three people were students in the same dorm room

Ironic?

[Biodom]

Well, WS is on board.
Now, the last vestige is the "intellectual opposition" that is coming from the AI field.

Posting mostly for a reference (obviously,  I disagree):
Here is AWG from the "Moonshots":

https://youtu.be/5ak26W2YNRY?t=6103

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

The theft of funds which violates one of the base tenets of the bitcoin protocol is not amusing on any level.

Who stole funds? And from where? Sorry, I did not follow.
"amusing" clearly referred to the fact that three people were students in the same dorm room

Ironic?

Perhaps.

[Vod]

Ask yourself what feedback I've left that caused me to have my trust ratings blacklisted from DT?  What horrible move did I make that dragged me from the most trusted user on this site by a wide margin to someone who carries negative DT ratings from an individual

You repeatedly called me the worst name possible causing me financial and wellbeing loses.

I'm the only person to ever touch the forum's treasury funds and give back more than I received...  I didn't leave and now I'm being sued for over 10 million dollars while the administration stays silent on the issue.  I

You stole from the treasury.  You stole from your ponzi members.  You are scamming with nastyfans right now.    What do you want Theymos to say?  You want him to create PMs to back your stories and risk going to prison?

[ChartBuddy]

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[philipma1957]

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buddy bring back 75k in an effort to stop the vod vs oG beef 🥩.

personally i judge no one myself included.

I will never have all the facts. About all those old and new allegations.


back to btc price 75k baby bull wants some grass feed.


come on buddy bring the baby to 76

[vapourminer]

personally i judge no one myself included.

same. if i judge others i would need to judge myself first. and knowing me like i know me, id rather not.

[Vod]

personally i judge no one myself included.

I will never have all the facts. About all those old and new allegations.

You've judged OgNasty to be trustworthy despite the overwhelming evidence against him - all in his own words.    

[cAPSLOCK]

BIP-361 Proposes Freezing Quantum-Vulnerable Bitcoin Addresses

Bitcoin developers and researchers have proposed BIP-361, which suggests freezing early Bitcoin addresses considered to have quantum vulnerabilities—primarily P2PK addresses with publicly exposed public keys—to prevent future quantum computers from deriving private keys from public data and stealing funds.



https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0361.mediawiki
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Nice.

Early adopters have their coins taken from them by the devs, destroying Bitcoin's value

or

Early adopters move their coins, scaring the shit out of the market

or

(Maybe) some of the early addresses get hacked (Maybe).

Sounds like we're being set up for lose/lose here.

Still working through this one.

But there are a LOT of things that will have to be overcome.  So far the various tradeoffs are all pretty harsh.

But even if we can come up with a viable path forward we will then have to see the (already fractured) community support the "right" fork. 

When Fran moves to new keys it is going to be a big deal.  Hopefully she has been moving things slowly... 

The FUD on horizon is large.

[Richy_T]

You cannot say that for certain. Sure, core will frame it as a soft fork that won’t cause a break in the chain, but there will be people who oppose the soft fork and split the chain to keep the old rules. Proposing it as a soft fork when they know a large segment of the community won’t go along with it is how they will pretend to be the good guys who are against splitting the chain when in reality they left the rest of us no other choice.

Running old nodes would accept transactions from the new nodes. Such is the nature of soft forks. They won't really know what to do with them other than stick them in the blockchain but there wouldn't be a chain split.

You would have to go out of your way to deliberately fork the chain and we know how that tends to go.

It may not be accepted, this is 100% true though. Let's hope not. Bitcoin has long had a governance problem even way back when Gavin was in charge.

[ChartBuddy]

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[Richy_T]

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

I too am quite skeptical about the quantum risks. There's a reason it's hard to experience effects from the quantum realm having meaningful results in the macro world. I think this is a case of devs gonna dev.

[philipma1957]

i am on core 28 and core 29 at the moment.

not sure about upgrading at the moment.

[Biodom]

Well, WS is on board.
Now, the last vestige is the "intellectual opposition" that is coming from the AI field.

Posting mostly for a reference (obviously,  I disagree):
Here is AWG from the "Moonshots":

https://youtu.be/5ak26W2YNRY?t=6103

BTW, Dave (DB2) also thinks that quantum risks are overblown (watch for a few sec prior to my snippet if you want) and two others on this podcast own bitcoin.
One interesting reference is that Diamandis, Dave and Michael Saylor were all roommates at the MIT dorm.
This is quite amusing.

The theft of funds which violates one of the base tenets of the bitcoin protocol is not amusing on any level.

Still puzzled...are you talking about something from the year 2000 or something else entirely?
Otherwise, i have no idea what ya'll are talking 'bout, but others seem to know  

The vid was about AI guy bragging about what AI might do in the future and how it would engage in commerce.
Sometime WO is weird...maybe you read something additional on DT, but I never read it.
Moar info is needed.