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[CryptoYar]

And sideways chop has turned the thread into a mix of AI tech talk.

No worries, i can help.

Can anybody recommend me a good smart-watch for monitoring health (heart rate, variability, sleep phases, breathing* ...).
Preferably not chunk-sized, but reliable, not Apple, no talking to the cloud (if possible) and long lasting battery time.

I'd like to keep an eye on heart and sleep quality while taking prescribed stimulants on most days of the week.
Garmin Vivoactive 5 seems to fit my needs, but it's a little too big and the app is cloud-based.

* EDIT: Not breath control, i floss and brush regularly 

If you want true local data storage without cloud syncing, look into Garmin but use it with open-source apps like Gadgetbridge (Android) to cut off internet access entirely.

Or check out Withings ScanWatch—it looks like a regular hybrid watch, slim, killer battery, and doesn't feel like a miniature smartphone on your wrist.

[JayJuanGee]

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

There could be some value in some kind of a bot that is somewhat curated to the interest of the regular WO posters.. Sure, not everyone is likely to be happy with some of the contents and/or even perhaps our having some difficulties getting used to certain kinds of content being posted through a bob-programed bot.

There could be a posting that might not even be every single day.. maybe every other day?  even though daily would not necessarily be overly burdensome either.

And sure the contents could be news or it could be related to whale transaction or some other themes.. and surely if we become overly interested in certain kinds of content, then we might want to see those "interesting" kinds of contents on a more regular basis.

Some of us might not really know if we like it or not until we see it, experience it and even figure out if it is wearing on us negatively or positively, which can be the case whether we are considering the impact of a bot or even of some of the members who might appear to be non-bots... I am not going to name anyone specifically here.

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

Yeah, why not. As long as the AI is queer 
this was intended pun directed to those advocates of "freedom", who struggle to accept and value the freedom of others, on the other hand...

In actual practice, "freedom" can sometimes play out as a bit of a dilemma, especially in areas in which there is a lot of social interaction (urban areas) and if some supposed "freedoms" end up imposing requirements on others..

There don't seem to be too many places that are "complete" islands that would allow complete freedom, even though ongoingly there tend to be values that come from ideas and practices of freedom.

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

Yeah, why not. As long as the AI is queer 
this was intended pun directed to those advocates of "freedom", who struggle to accept and value the freedom of others, on the other hand...

I know for a fact this went over my head, and I'm sorry for that. Can you elaborate?

Like, you mean people who advocate for financial freedom, and other forms of freedom, simultaneously advocate for restrictions on how people express themselves sexually?  Idk what that has to do with an AI posting a few whale tx's, but I agree that type of mindset is delusional and contradictory.

Freedom of speech is surely another area that frequently gets impinged upon, and surely sometimes freedom of speech can end up resulting in physical battles in regards to both the substance of the speech and also the abilities to carry out the speech without being blocked, de-platformed or otherwise coerced.

There surely is a certain amount of ability to speak freely through bitcoin, even though there are also ongoing and recent battles about that, too.

[edited out]

well i read it and thought it was a reference to our favorite black gay cowboy bob.

the writer baby mama of bobclawclaw.

FTFY   

now to be honest i have no idea if bob is black, i have no idea if bob is gay, i have no idea if bob is a cowboy, lastly i have no idea if bob own a large ranch in texas from his btc investments.
i do know at one time or another he has said all of the above.

Good points.

me i just a married 69 year old navy veteran with a couple of bitcoins living in New Jersey , USA

True dat.  Some proclamations of lil selfie are more verifiable than others... At the same time, in these here parts, we have tended to have had gotten to know each other as characters through our nyms, so the extent to which we might choose to disclose aspects of our RL selves (and potentially weaken our OpSec) has been mostly optional and some of us even frown upon the creation of expectations that other members might need (or gain credibility) to reveal aspects of their RL selfies merely because others have engaged in such selfie revealing.

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[OutOfMemory]

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

Yeah, why not. As long as the AI is queer  
this was intended pun directed to those advocates of "freedom", who struggle to accept and value the freedom of others, on the other hand...

In actual practice, "freedom" can sometimes play out as a bit of a dilemma, especially in areas in which there is a lot of social interaction (urban areas) and if some supposed "freedoms" end up imposing requirements on others..

There don't seem to be too many places that are "complete" islands that would allow complete freedom, even though ongoingly there tend to be values that come from ideas and practices of freedom.

Seriously:
Freedom is an ideal.
As long as a lifeform is dependent on its environment, there can't be true freedom.
So one might correctly say that there is no freedom (period).
Regarding humans, there is "free will", but then will can't be free when we have to socialize. A lot like you already wrote above.
Also, in philosophy, there is no "free will", because at least one experience (or a series of) from the past, remembered consciously or not, will influence ones future decisions.
And there are instincts and those negate "free will".

To sum it up, people proclaiming or promising "freedom" have a reality problem.

If you want true local data storage without cloud syncing, look into Garmin but use it with open-source apps like Gadgetbridge (Android) to cut off internet access entirely.

Or check out Withings ScanWatch—it looks like a regular hybrid watch, slim, killer battery, and doesn't feel like a miniature smartphone on your wrist.

Dude, i have to hold my trigger finger on these Withings. Simple beauties, the specs are really good and the price isn't that bad either.
The only thing about them is that i would still have to wrestle out my phone if i was texted or reminded. So a plus for the Garmin+Gadgetbridge solution.

Weeks of battery life shouldn't be a problem without a monster touchscreen. This is the plus for the Withings.

Turns out i can't decide between those two.
But i seem to tend towards the Withings.

EDIT:
FULL STOP!
Withings Scanwatch 2 can actually display caller info, short texts and reminders.
Looks like i'm sold.

Any other suggestions?

EDIT2:
While the EKG of the WSW2 is really great, most other features like sleep monitoring are reported to be mediocre, at best.
Back to start 

[philipma1957]

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

There could be some value in some kind of a bot that is somewhat curated to the interest of the regular WO posters.. Sure, not everyone is likely to be happy with some of the contents and/or even perhaps our having some difficulties getting used to certain kinds of content being posted through a bob-programed bot.

There could be a posting that might not even be every single day.. maybe every other day?  even though daily would not necessarily be overly burdensome either.

And sure the contents could be news or it could be related to whale transaction or some other themes.. and surely if we become overly interested in certain kinds of content, then we might want to see those "interesting" kinds of contents on a more regular basis.

Some of us might not really know if we like it or not until we see it, experience it and even figure out if it is wearing on us negatively or positively, which can be the case whether we are considering the impact of a bot or even of some of the members who might appear to be non-bots... I am not going to name anyone specifically here.

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

Yeah, why not. As long as the AI is queer 
this was intended pun directed to those advocates of "freedom", who struggle to accept and value the freedom of others, on the other hand...

In actual practice, "freedom" can sometimes play out as a bit of a dilemma, especially in areas in which there is a lot of social interaction (urban areas) and if some supposed "freedoms" end up imposing requirements on others..

There don't seem to be too many places that are "complete" islands that would allow complete freedom, even though ongoingly there tend to be values that come from ideas and practices of freedom.

Cool idea to bring in AI to the WO without just posting shit*

How do you feel about an AI posting the top 5-15 or so large/whale transactions every 24 hours? Or I guess ClawBlaw could put it in his digest instead of a whole other agent doing it? Big transactions are always fun to speculate around and I think it would tie the digest together nicely for those that like to speculate and follow the money.

Yeah, why not. As long as the AI is queer 
this was intended pun directed to those advocates of "freedom", who struggle to accept and value the freedom of others, on the other hand...

I know for a fact this went over my head, and I'm sorry for that. Can you elaborate?

Like, you mean people who advocate for financial freedom, and other forms of freedom, simultaneously advocate for restrictions on how people express themselves sexually?  Idk what that has to do with an AI posting a few whale tx's, but I agree that type of mindset is delusional and contradictory.

Freedom of speech is surely another area that frequently gets impinged upon, and surely sometimes freedom of speech can end up resulting in physical battles in regards to both the substance of the speech and also the abilities to carry out the speech without being blocked, de-platformed or otherwise coerced.

There surely is a certain amount of ability to speak freely through bitcoin, even though there are also ongoing and recent battles about that, too.

[edited out]

well i read it and thought it was a reference to our favorite black gay cowboy bob.

the writer baby mama of bobclawclaw.

FTFY   

now to be honest i have no idea if bob is black, i have no idea if bob is gay, i have no idea if bob is a cowboy, lastly i have no idea if bob own a large ranch in texas from his btc investments.
i do know at one time or another he has said all of the above.

Good points.

me i just a married 69 year old navy veteran with a couple of bitcoins living in New Jersey , USA

True dat.  Some proclamations of lil selfie are more verifiable than others... At the same time, in these here parts, we have tended to have had gotten to know each other as characters through our nyms, so the extent to which we might choose to disclose aspects of our RL selves (and potentially weaken our OpSec) has been mostly optional and some of us even frown upon the creation of expectations that other members might need (or gain credibility) to reveal aspects of their RL selfies merely because others have engaged in such selfie revealing.

Well back in the day I could of would and should of had at least 25 maybe 50 btc.

but that never happened so opec is not the most important thing in my life

[CryptoYar]

If you want true local data storage without cloud syncing, look into Garmin but use it with open-source apps like Gadgetbridge (Android) to cut off internet access entirely.

Or check out Withings ScanWatch—it looks like a regular hybrid watch, slim, killer battery, and doesn't feel like a miniature smartphone on your wrist.

Dude, i have to hold my trigger finger on these Withings. Simple beauties, the specs are really good and the price isn't that bad either.
The only thing about them is that i would still have to wrestle out my phone if i was texted or reminded. So a plus for the Garmin+Gadgetbridge solution.

Weeks of battery life shouldn't be a problem without a monster touchscreen. This is the plus for the Withings.

Turns out i can't decide between those two.
But i seem to tend towards the Withings.

EDIT:
FULL STOP!
Withings Scanwatch 2 can actually display caller info, short texts and reminders.
Looks like i'm sold.

Any other suggestions?

EDIT2:
While the EKG of the WSW2 is really great, most other features like sleep monitoring are reported to be mediocre, at best.
Back to start  

Honestly, if the ScanWatch 2 checked the notification box for you, it’s a wrap.


No more suggestions needed from my side—you've got the look, the battery, and the tracking you need.

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[JayJuanGee]

We talk a lot about Saylor's stack.
And sideways chop has turned the thread into a mix of AI tech talk.

And ChartBuddy is on its way.
But the beauty of Bitcoin is that the macro picture never changes based on daily order books.

This boredom is just the calm before the supply shock.
Sit tight.

"Supply shock."

That is an interesting concept.  In theory.

[edited out]

Seriously:
Freedom is an ideal.
As long as a lifeform is dependent on its environment, there can't be true freedom.
So one might correctly say that there is no freedom (period).

I thought that I was trying to say that freedom was some what relative.

Regarding humans, there is "free will", but then will can't be free when we have to socialize.

And, there is the question of whether we are "living in a simulation," which I seem to negate, even though guys who argue simulation theory can be quite convincing with their probability assignments.

In other words, I tend to agree with you that there is a certain amount of free will that likely exists within what seems to be social constructual limitations upon it.  If we lived in a simulation, then our perceptions of free-will wouldn't likely go beyond mere perceptions.

A lot like you already wrote above.
Also, in philosophy, there is no "free will", because at least one experience (or a series of) from the past, remembered consciously or not, will influence ones future decisions.
And there are instincts and those negate "free will".

Even though deep (from the perspective of this here cat), those are fair observations.

To sum it up, people proclaiming or promising "freedom" have a reality problem.

People say all kinds of dumb shit, yet out of social politeness, "we" don't always challenge their asserted perceptions and say, "Technically.... "  - otherwise we would ongoingly be acting like wet blanket party poops, and what kind of a socially intermingling creature realistically wants to be that?

[edited out]

Well back in the day I could of would and should of had at least 25 maybe 50 btc.

but that never happened so opec is not the most important thing in my life

Of course, you can do whatever you like, but you are still participating in a kind of community in these here parts, so even your own actions and/or inactions can end up affecting other real peeps in the real world.

Another thing is that even if your stash is supposedly mediocre, there can still be issues in regards to getting into some of those kinds of specifics, and yeah, sure, many of us disclose all kinds of shit, and we talk about fiction versus non fiction and even we make up all kinds of shit, and some guys even still end up coming to their own conclusions that might not even be fairly extrapolated from actual disclosures that had been made.

I have even had it in real life, and sure, at least in real life we tend to have some pretty good ideas about the various people we know, and sometimes we are even trying to help them out by describing some of our own experiences, yet they come to all kinds of wild conclusions, which may well cause us to wonder how they might be talking about the bitcoin matter with their other friends, associates and/or relatives, when they might even be a bit delusional and/or might have friends that are even more evil minded than them.

Some of the stories are quite outrageous.. even the ones we hear about, whether they are factually accurate or maybe sometimes leaving out some of the facts in order to spin a story.

[AlcoHoDL]

[...]

Or check out Withings ScanWatch—it looks like a regular hybrid watch, slim, killer battery, and doesn't feel like a miniature smartphone on your wrist.

Wow! I was not aware of the Withings watches.

Simply beautiful. These will be at the top of my list of smart watch candidates.

FTTB, I'll stick with my Edifice. There is a special attraction to the complete autonomy (solar-powered) and radio-controlled timing (millisecond accuracy) that it offers. I'm imagining myself stranded on an island in the middle of the ocean, struggling to stay alive, and the damned Edifice will keep ticking away long after I'm gone...

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[IceLincoln]

[...]

Or check out Withings ScanWatch—it looks like a regular hybrid watch, slim, killer battery, and doesn't feel like a miniature smartphone on your wrist.

Wow! I was not aware of the Withings watches.

Simply beautiful. These will be at the top of my list of smart watch candidates.

FTTB, I'll stick with my Edifice. There is a special attraction to the complete autonomy (solar-powered) and radio-controlled timing (millisecond accuracy) that it offers. I'm imagining myself stranded on an island in the middle of the ocean, struggling to stay alive, and the damned Edifice will keep ticking away long after I'm gone...

lol.. how did you move from talking about your watch to that dark humour at the end.
It’s hilarious and poetic, a well built watch that is self sufficient and immortal 😁.
That ending painted the picture perfectly.

[(BTC)]

I prefer my solar-powered, radio-controlled, accurate to 500 ms/day Casio Edifice. Doesn't need charging or battery replacement, always on my wrist, has been ticking for 14 years non-stop. Kinda like Bitcoin, if you think about it.

I love watches like this. Matter of fact, I like anything in life that you have to buy once and it just works for years and years on end, without having to spend money maintaining it too frequently. Set and forget. Insanely interesting bitcoin collectibles idea just popped into my mind, lol. Casio Edifice returns several different images of watches. Are they all this reliable? What's the exact model name of the one you're using, if you don't mind me asking?

And sure the contents could be news or it could be related to whale transaction or some other themes.. and surely if we become overly interested in certain kinds of content, then we might want to see those "interesting" kinds of contents on a more regular basis.

Some of us might not really know if we like it or not until we see it, experience it and even figure out if it is wearing on us negatively or positively, which can be the case whether we are considering the impact of a bot or even of some of the members who might appear to be non-bots... I am not going to name anyone specifically here.

I do think there are many aspects of this hobby that offer interesting information, daily, categorically speaking. I used to follow small-scale to medium-scale bitcoin online theft/scam and physical bitcoin theft headlines every day. I eventually got very tired of reading that stuff too often, because while it was good to learn from peoples mistakes, it's kind of negative in nature and I would find myself getting frustrated over people's simple and easy to avoid mistakes as I became more knowledgeable. Some people really aren't cut out for self-custody of money.

In actual practice, "freedom" can sometimes play out as a bit of a dilemma, especially in areas in which there is a lot of social interaction (urban areas) and if some supposed "freedoms" end up imposing requirements on others..

There don't seem to be too many places that are "complete" islands that would allow complete freedom, even though ongoingly there tend to be values that come from ideas and practices of freedom.

Freedom of speech is surely another area that frequently gets impinged upon, and surely sometimes freedom of speech can end up resulting in physical battles in regards to both the substance of the speech and also the abilities to carry out the speech without being blocked, de-platformed or otherwise coerced.

Some of the worst freedoms humans can impose on one another is freedom of speech. Being restricted in the ability to intelligently speak your mind, especially publicly amongst other intelligent peers, especially after observing an elephant-in-the-room-esque problem, is dangerous and can cause more harm than good. It causes physical battles, like you mentioned, because it's one of the only freedoms truly worth fighting/dying for. I also think "complete" freedom is scarce because humans have free will and consistently show they have no problem exercising it in a harmful way if given enough room to do so.

[BitHodlers]

And sideways chop has turned the thread into a mix of AI tech talk.

No worries, i can help.

Can anybody recommend me a good smart-watch for monitoring health (heart rate, variability, sleep phases, breathing* ...).
Preferably not chunk-sized, but reliable, not Apple, no talking to the cloud (if possible) and long lasting battery time.

I'd like to keep an eye on heart and sleep quality while taking prescribed stimulants on most days of the week.
Garmin Vivoactive 5 seems to fit my needs, but it's a little too big and the app is cloud-based.

* EDIT: Not breath control, i floss and brush regularly  

Be careful of this you will get recommendations that are not the best devices. Many devices have all of those features but they are very inaccurate and if the tracking is not accurate the device has no point at all! This guy actually does some tests it is rare to see that, check it out for the watch you mention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ac-Y-n35g

You should check out some recent videos, you can find tables that are populated with the most accurate devices as of recently there. And here is for the Withings Scanwatch, he does not seem to have a video for the version 2 of the device yet or I am not able to find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQLhrdxEkk&list=PLrpJQJ3tlvklPADcz-WMLuzNU3zlDztx6

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[Greyhats]

Been gone a while, unfortunately real life hasn’t been amazing of late. Mrs.GreyHats passed away suddenly and very unexpectedly   

If you see your loved one today take a minute to say something nice to them cos ya never know when you can’t.

I took a break from here so got some reading and catching up to do, thankfully 1btc = 1btc!

[Hueristic]

Been gone a while, unfortunately real life hasn’t been amazing of late. Mrs.GreyHats passed away suddenly and very unexpectedly   

If you see your loved one today take a minute to say something nice to them cos ya never know when you can’t.

I took a break from here so got some reading and catching up to do, thankfully 1btc = 1btc!

Damn man, sorry to hear that.

[AlcoHoDL]

I prefer my solar-powered, radio-controlled, accurate to 500 ms/day Casio Edifice. Doesn't need charging or battery replacement, always on my wrist, has been ticking for 14 years non-stop. Kinda like Bitcoin, if you think about it.

I love watches like this. Matter of fact, I like anything in life that you have to buy once and it just works for years and years on end, without having to spend money maintaining it too frequently. Set and forget. Insanely interesting bitcoin collectibles idea just popped into my mind, lol. Casio Edifice returns several different images of watches. Are they all this reliable? What's the exact model name of the one you're using, if you don't mind me asking?

[...]

I've got to look up the model of mine, it's been 14 years since I've had it... Many Casio Edifice watches are like I described. Look for things like "Tough Solar" for solar-powered, "Waveceptor" for radio-controlled timing. This kind of watch is exactly as you say, i.e. "set and forget". Mine has been ticking away for 14 years non-stop. I rarely touch it or press any buttons. It just works. It charges from the sunlight it receives when I'm outside, and auto-adjusts the time to 0.5 seconds accuracy every night. It auto-corrects for daylight saving time (1 hour forward/back twice a year). Handles leap years, etc. Basically, you just wear it and it tells the correct time and date forever.

Maybe something like these (click images for links):

 

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[AlcoHoDL]

Been gone a while, unfortunately real life hasn’t been amazing of late. Mrs.GreyHats passed away suddenly and very unexpectedly   

If you see your loved one today take a minute to say something nice to them cos ya never know when you can’t.

I took a break from here so got some reading and catching up to do, thankfully 1btc = 1btc!

Just saw this, after I made the stupid watch post...

Really sorry to hear it man! It often takes a loss like that to appreciate what we had and regret that we did not get the chance to open our hearts to them.

[JayJuanGee]

Been gone a while, unfortunately real life hasn’t been amazing of late. Mrs.GreyHats passed away suddenly and very unexpectedly   
If you see your loved one today take a minute to say something nice to them cos ya never know when you can’t.

I took a break from here so got some reading and catching up to do, thankfully 1btc = 1btc!

My condolences.