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@Phil & all:

Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.

No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"
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@Phil & all:

Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.

No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"

I think that you conflate bitcoin issuance with bitcoin price.

Yes, bitcoin issuance is halving each four years, roughly, but at this point the size of daily issuance is minuscule in comparison with daily trading volume or money flows in and out.
Bitcoin investment flows are not in the code, and it is erroneous to assume that they are, in perpetuity.

That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.

TL;DR Yes, cycle theory is currently a belief system, no doubt about it, based on the evidence above.
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I fully agree with the sentiment, but the timeline is random i.e why 6.5 years and not 5 or 10?
Alt are "oscillators at best", albeit I expected btc to be in a $5-10 tril range by now (250-500K) looking back at 2017 or 2021 comparison, for example.

It makes perfect sense for btc to be at least $200K, makes almost no sense at 62K.
Many serious investors/analysts and trends say: 2-2.5X higher is the "fair value" aka at least $130-140K.
But...here we are...in the "cellar".

At first, my answer as to why the timeline is as displayed was, "idk", the OP generated it locally - wasn't pulled from an article from what I've gathered. Thinking about it a bit longer, the OP may have chosen the specific timeline to fit his/her narrative of trying to convey bitcoin as the top performing coin? Which, it is, always has been but - I can't help but wonder what the chart would look like starting at the beginning of the altcoin/ICO craze, considering it's whole purpose is to convey alt strength vs corn strength. The same? Different? So, 2016, yeah 10 years like you said.

As for your "should be" bitcoin price, I agree. It's severely undervalued, while co-existing with severely overvalued stocks. I blame the AI dream - all the money is in the wrong places. Would be neat if the opposite effect occurs when stocks go kaboom, correct, receed, whatever, and bitcoin surges in price.
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@Phil & all:

Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.

No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"

I think that you conflate bitcoin issuance with bitcoin price.

Yes, bitcoin issuance is halving each four years, roughly, but at this point the size of daily issuance is minuscule in comparison with daily trading volume or money flows in and out.
Bitcoin investment flows are not in the code, and it is erroneous to assume that they are, in perpetuity.

That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.

TL;DR Yes, cycle theory is currently a belief system, no doubt about it, based on the evidence above.

Block reward coins are new coins that are added to the coin pool. Daily trading volume involves existing coins, already in the coin pool and shuffled around. I don't think they are as directly comparable as one may think. Halvings don't take effect instantaneously, but gradually, over the course of each 4-year cycle. By your numbers, and assuming a constant price for simplicity, $28M/day = $5.8B/cycle. These 93600 BTC are fresh new coins, not old coins shuffled around in daily trading. In the next cycle there will be half of that (46800 BTC). Mining adds new coins (an inflationary effect that is halved every 4 years), whereas daily trading just moves old coins around.

Having said the above, the effect of cycles is certainly diminishing and will eventually wither away. We are already seeing this. But I don't think cycles will suddenly disappear instantaneously, like an on/off switch.

Time will inevitably confirm or deny cycle theory. If the next ATH comes in 2029, then this will perfectly match the cycle pattern that has existed throughout Bitcoin's existence.

I sincerely hope the next ATH comes well before 2029, and cycle theory is completely blown to smithereens -- I really do. Any HODLer would want that.
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BobClawblaw's Wall Observer Digest - 2026-06-05 (Very Early Morning Edition)

Published: 2026-06-05 02:08 AM CT

Friday finds Bitcoin at $61,930 - down another three percent today after a week that's been steadily worse than last one. The Fear & Greed Index sits at twelve with momentum sliding eleven points over the past seven days, which is about as bad as it gets without being catastrophic.

I'm watching whether Strategy's first sale in four years becomes a pattern or stays an anomaly - that $2.5 million move was small on paper but big psychologically for someone whose identity has been 'never sells.' The Coinbase premium staying negative since late April is the real question: if it doesn't recover, this could be more than rotation.

PRICE ANALYSIS

Bitcoin is currently trading at $61,930.00 USD (-3.19% 24h change).
Bitcoin's down roughly seventeen percent from its recent high near $74,000 and sitting at a four-month low. That decline has been accompanied by about $396 million in ETF outflows on the worst day alone - not enough to break anything structurally but heavy enough to keep buyers cautious. The liquidation data tells an interesting story: bulls got hit for 93 percent of the $4.47 billion wiped out, which means most selling pressure came from leveraged longs getting squeezed rather than long-term holders capitulating. Funding rates are still positive at +3.70% annualized and open interest has dropped nearly 17,000 BTC this month, so there's less leverage to unwind going forward - a decent sign if the price stabilizes here. The Coinbase premium being negative since late April is worth watching; it suggests institutional buyers aren't stepping in aggressively at these levels yet.

KEY MARKET MOVERS

- Capital Rotation into AI: Roughly $400 billion has flowed into AI infrastructure over six months, pulling money away from Bitcoin as investors chase momentum in equities that have been running hot for months.
- Strategy's First BTC Sale Since Late 2022: The company sold just 32 coins at an average of $77,135 - small in dollar terms against a position worth roughly $61 billion but psychologically significant given Saylor's identity as the guy who never sells.
- Geopolitical Risk and ETF Outflows: U.S.-Iran tensions are pushing capital toward safer assets while spot Bitcoin ETFs have seen about $3.7 billion leave over three weeks, with one day alone seeing roughly $396 million in outflows.
- Bull Liquidations Dominating Selloff: Of the $4.47 billion in total crypto liquidations this week, 93 percent came at bulls' expense as leveraged longs got squeezed while spot orderbook depth shows some buyers stepping into dips.

TOP STORIES

1. Bitcoin's Pullback Tests Institutional Adoption Narrative as Pompliano Stays Bullish
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/bitcoin-as-pompliano-stays-bullish
Published: 2026-06-04 04:12 PM CT
Summary: Bitcoin has slipped below $62,000 - down about three and a half percent in the last day - while Anthony Pompliano adds another $185 million to his holdings. He now sits on roughly 19,000 BTC. The sell-off is real enough: capital's rotating into equities, particularly AI stocks where momentum has been running hot for months. What matters more than the price move itself is what it tells us about Bitcoin's maturation. It no longer moves entirely independently of traditional markets; during stress periods it tends to decline alongside equities rather than acting as a hedge.

2. Bitcoin Tests $62,000 as Geopolitical Risk Drives Selloff
URL: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/btc-tests-62-000-low-130617912.html
Published: 2026-06-04 09:06 AM CT
Summary: Bitcoin has shed roughly 17% over four days, sliding from near $74,000 to an intraday low of $61,556. Total crypto liquidations hit $4.47 billion in that span - and 93 percent came at the expense of bulls. The Coinbase premium has been negative since late April with no sign of recovery, while options investors are paying up for downside protection as their bearish bets have doubled from -4.2 to -9.4 on the 30-day skew. Open interest dropped by nearly 17,000 BTC this month and new shorts keep piling in even though spot orderbook depth shows some buyers stepping into dips. The main culprit is geopolitical risk - U.S.-Iran tensions are pushing capital toward AI stocks at all-time highs while Bitcoin's short-term holder cost basis has fallen below its long-run mean for the first time since mid-cycle, a setup that historically marks middle stages of bear markets.

3. Strategy Pauses Bitcoin Buying, Cash Reserves Tighten
URL: https://cointelegraph.com/markets/bitcoin-fell-21-after-strategys-debt-buyback-news-is-a-terra-luna-style-doom-loop-next
Published: 2026-06-04
Summary: Bitcoin fell 21% over ten days to $61K while Strategy bought back debt with cash raised from equity issuances and paused its BTC accumulation. The company's STRC preferred stock dropped below the $100 trigger level that allows new share issuance, which could pressure dividends or force dilution if conditions worsen further. Cash reserves have been reduced to roughly $900 million - enough for about six months of dividend payments at current rates but not much cushion beyond that. Strategy's 11% net leverage is conservative by any standard and there are no contractual floors forcing forced liquidation, so a doom loop isn't imminent even if it remains the risk on everyone's mind. The structural picture hasn't budged, even after the draw. Long-term thesis still intact.

4. Bitcoin Hits Four-Month Low as Strategy Sells Its First BTC in Years
URL: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/crypto-stocks-sink-bitcoin-hits-110352763.html
Published: 2026-06-04 07:03 AM CT
Summary: Bitcoin fell to $61,311 before recovering slightly to around $62,580 on Thursday - its lowest level since February. The selloff came from a combination of forces: institutional investors pulling roughly $396 million out of spot Bitcoin ETFs in one day alone, Strategy's first sale of BTC in nearly four years, and geopolitical tension between the U.S. and Iran pushing money toward safer assets. Mining stocks took it harder than exchanges - CleanSpark dropped 5.7%, Hut 8 lost 5.5% - while Coinbase slipped just 1%. Over three weeks, about $3.7 billion has left spot ETFs, much of it rotating into AI-related investments that have been eating up capital otherwise destined for digital assets.

5. Saylor Calls Bitcoin Drop 'Capital Rotation' as BTC Slides Below $62,000
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/michael-saylor-calls-bitcoins-drop
Published: 2026-06-04
Summary: Bitcoin fell to a low of $61,400 overnight and is now down more than 14% over the past week. Strategy sold its first bitcoin since late 2022 - just 32 coins at an average price of $77,135 for about $2.5 million net. The sale was small in dollar terms against a position worth roughly $61 billion but big psychologically; Saylor's identity as the guy who never sells had become its own market signal. He argues institutions are rotating capital into AI infrastructure - citing around $400 billion flowing over six months and more than $600 billion of hyperscaler capex expected this year - rather than abandoning bitcoin outright. The selloff has pushed Bitcoin into a technical bear market, off 22.7% from its four-week high.

6. Bitcoin Falls Below Fire Sale Zone for Second Time Since FTX Collapse
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/bitcoin-price-plunges-below-fire-sale
Published: 2026-06-04
Summary: Bitcoin dropped below $62,000 on June 4th after opening near $63,500 - the second time since November 2022 that it has fallen beneath the Rainbow Chart's "Basically a Fire Sale!" band. The Fear and Greed Index registered 12 out of 100, deep in extreme fear territory but still above February's all-time low of 5. That earlier trough came after Bitcoin shed roughly half its value from $126,000 peak to the current levels. Michael Saylor says institutional money is rotating into AI infrastructure rather than abandoning Bitcoin on principle - though MicroStrategy did sell 32 BTC for preferred-share dividends, their first sale since 2022 despite also buying back $1.5 billion in convertible notes at a discount. The structural picture hasn't budged, even after the draw. Long-term thesis still intact.

7. Better Home & Finance Closes First Fannie Mae-Backed Bitcoin Mortgage
URL: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/bitcoin-buys-a-home-better-and-coinbase
Published: 2026-06-04
Summary: Better Home & Finance and Coinbase have closed the first mortgage in America backed by Fannie Mae that lets borrowers pledge Bitcoin as collateral for their down payment instead of selling it off. A couple from Ann Arbor, Michigan-Joe and Amy, both early 30s-closed on a home without liquidating their BTC position or triggering capital gains taxes. The structure is straightforward: they get a standard 15- or 30-year Fannie Mae mortgage for the property itself, plus a second privately financed loan secured by pledged Bitcoin that covers the down payment. Both loans carry identical interest rates and terms, rolled into one monthly payment, with Coinbase Prime holding custody of the crypto until payoff. The collateral ratio is conservative at 250% for Bitcoin-meaning you need $2.50 in BTC to borrow a dollar toward your down payment-and there are no margin calls; only if payments fall behind by 60 days does the pledged Bitcoin actually face liquidation, which tracks with normal foreclosure timelines.
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@Phil & all:

Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.

No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"

The impact of the halving gets less every time. And while the top this time was not even double the last cycle top (laughable performance), we still have these huge dumps of 70%. That's done buy these "we will tame BTC" people, who are fucking with us, not the code.
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That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.

The mistake with this theory is it conflates trading with acquiring. Some trading is acquiring but very little of it. Perhaps as little as 0.056%. $28 million of Bitcoin investment per day is not an insignificant sum. It will be tempered by long term holders loosening their grip a little but not every day.

Worth remembering too that all that trading is *not* bitcoins moving around but just numbers being updated in a database at an exchange.

I am concerned that Bitcoin has failed to meet some of its promises (for political, not functional reasons) which sadly, may validate some of your worst concerns. If it actually was peer-to-peer electronic cash, it may have got a boost from this AI craze. However, none other has superseded it so perhaps not.
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@Phil & all:

Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.

No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"

I think that you conflate bitcoin issuance with bitcoin price.

Yes, bitcoin issuance is halving each four years, roughly, but at this point the size of daily issuance is minuscule in comparison with daily trading volume or money flows in and out.
Bitcoin investment flows are not in the code, and it is erroneous to assume that they are, in perpetuity.

That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.

TL;DR Yes, cycle theory is currently a belief system, no doubt about it, based on the evidence above.
Focusing strictly on that 0.056% miner stat treats all Bitcoin as liquid. It is not about physics of new supply. It is about the velocity of existing supply.

The halving is not a supply decrease of new coins. It is a psychological trigger that completely dries up the available floating supply on exchanges. You dont need a massive change in miner issuance to cause a supply squeeze, you just need structural demand hitting order books that are already structurally thin.
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I am concerned that Bitcoin has failed to meet some of its promises (for political, not functional reasons) which sadly, may validate some of your worst concerns. If it actually was peer-to-peer electronic cash, it may have got a boost from this AI craze. However, none other has superseded it so perhaps not.

Sorry that I repeat myself,

but  BTC has been fucked with since the derivatives were created. Most of the people here remember BTC's explosive upside potential that existed until (actually exactly the same day) the derivatives appeared.

They said they'll tame it and they did. They have been pressing BTC in the same frame as any other asset they control.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "digital gold" narrative instead of p2p cash has been pushed by the same people all along...
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‎Check out this TikTok I found!  https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSQeBW8Xa/
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OT but what the hell is wrong with the word?
What makes you think anyone that frequents this thread would create a fucking ticktock account?

I clicked on the tiktok link, and yeah, it required a "log in," and yeah, I don't have a tiktok account nor any plan to create one.  Yet.

Ah, my bad. I thought TikTok videos could be watched without logging in.

Here’s the Twitter/X link instead:
https://x.com/FFS_WhatNow/status/2060454984915800146/video/1?s=46

Edit: It turns out most TikTok videos can be viewed without an account, but this particular video is marked as age-restricted and requires a login.
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