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@Phil & all:
Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.
No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"
I think that you conflate bitcoin issuance with bitcoin price.
Yes, bitcoin issuance is halving each four years, roughly, but at this point the size of daily issuance is minuscule in comparison with daily trading volume or money flows in and out.
Bitcoin investment flows are not in the code, and it is erroneous to assume that they are, in perpetuity.

That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.
TL;DR Yes, cycle theory is currently a belief system, no doubt about it, based on the evidence above.

I generally agree that there is something about cycles that exist and they are real, while at the same time, we are framing them too, and I doubt that we completely frame them into existence, even though cycles are also a product of human conduct and sentiment related to buying bitcoin based on where the collective (or market) believes the price is going to go, and sure there are a bunch of up and down [size=ept]Elliot[/size] waves too.. that form into four year cycles of up and down that are not clear about how much they will go up or down, yet they can be plotted into patterns that fit on top of each other, even if the magnitude might not always be the same.. and even if the exact time might not be the same either and even if they might or might not stop happening at any moment.

I frequently like to think of cylce-like thingie-ma-jiggies happening and even continuing to happen  - until they don't.

‎Check out this TikTok I found!  https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSQeBW8Xa/
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OT but what the hell is wrong with the word?
What makes you think anyone that frequents this thread would create a fucking ticktock account?
I clicked on the tiktok link, and yeah, it required a "log in," and yeah, I don't have a tiktok account nor any plan to create one.  Yet.
Ah, my bad. I thought TikTok videos could be watched without logging in.
Here’s the Twitter/X link instead:
https://x.com/FFS_WhatNow/status/2060454984915800146/video/1?s=46
Edit: It turns out most TikTok videos can be viewed without an account, but this particular video is marked as age-restricted and requires a login.

Oh.. I see.

I did a quickie look-up of Bonnie Blue, and she is a porn star in the prime of her fame (27 years old), so she is surely seeking attention and willing participants in her planned "Golden Shower," and so I suppose, to a certain degree, the more shocking the better.   Apparently, she got pregnant by having some kind of a 400-man fertility welcoming stunt that involved DNA tests with the 400 men to figure out which of them is the father, like a lottery, I suppose...

and some news that looks bad
https://www.yahoo.com/news/science/article/nasa-astronauts-aboard-international-space-station-ordered-to-shelter-in-dragon-spacecraft-amid-worsening-air-leaks-151226804.html
"NASA astronauts aboard International Space Station ordered to shelter in Dragon spacecraft amid worsening air leaks..."
I read it and not sure why it is leaking.

I did a quickie search, and it appears that for years there had been many leaks, yet the leaks are adding up to possible structural failure, and so during this most recent repair, the sheltering was done as a precautionary measure during the more intense threat of structural failure during the latest of repairs.

Only, it didn't last time...one guy got scared of the "moon shadow" and liquidated 80000 btc at once (177 day supply)...some liquidity freeze.
Additionally, claiming that it is "psychological" is the exact opposite of "it is in the code".
I conclude that people have very diverse explanation re cycles...and the only "thing" they (cyclists) agree on is, apparently, is that  "it has to go down 70-80% each time".
All other typical "cycle" parameters has been already violated.
Here is the list:
1. No ATH before the halving (violated in 2024).
2. No violation of the cycle high of the cycle before (done in 2022).
3. No 200 week sma violation (done for a relatively long stretch in 20220
4. A significant cycle price extension (only 83% increase from 2021 to 2026 highs).

PlanB was already proven wrong...now the price is "working" on the powerlaw trend.
I would very much like at least that one to hold, because if it doesn't, the bitcoin investment thesis would become quite complicated to say the least.

It is not like all the cyclists have to agree on the same criteria for the cycle to still be valid and just have variations, and you seem to be making shit up, too, in regards to what constitutes a cycle or what constitutes criteria for the 4-year cycle to largely remain valid, even if it is not exact in various ways.
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Don't do it!!!!!

Either next we are going up or we are going down, there is no third choice.  Cheesy

I will grant you that sideways is less likely, but it is also not zero.

So there is that.

Also, what timeframe are we talking when saying "next?"

A week?

A month?

3 months?

6 months?

12 months?

18 months?

36 months?

48 months?

or longer?


Many time I talk about new buys having a minimum of a 4 year timeline.. and for sure many of us have been in bitcoin for way more than 48 months, so we have coins that have various prices, and the coins we bought in recent times are not doing too well, yet the coins from more than 60 months ago? or would it be more than 72 months ago?  Some of the coins are doing well, and if we have blended costs for our coins, but they are mostly older than 48 months, then we may well be doing well too, except some guys might be suffering more than others, psychologically.


I am not claiming to be imunned from psychological trauma related to downity... that's for sure.  Good thing that I conceded that we are in a bear market in around January/Febuary - ish.. so that might help.  Acceptance.

Even though my stash used to be worth 126x of its costs,
now it is ONLY worth 61x of its costs...    Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry 



Poor widdo ole me.   Cry Cry Cry Cry  I might need a meme to better express my poor widdo selfie?

I have a sizable buy that is very close to triggering. And another, larger one, further down. I won't cry no tears if the second one doesn't trigger. But if it does, it'll be a whole bunch of sats going into my stack.

The worst would be if it is just dollars away from filling and then it reverses.  It happens to me sometimes, yet my orders tend to be smaller and more frequent.  I had about 1/3 of my orders in the lower $59k fill, but then after that I have one more $2k down and then they start to become $1,500 increments until $43k, then they become $1,250 increments.. Please.. no more buy orders fill. #pleading for a friend

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If upside cycles are flattening, downside drops will flatten too. Expecting a 70-80% crash now ignores the same institutional liquidity we just talked about. Old retail rules are breaking on both sides.

​Markets look insane right now because we are watching a global asset mature in real time through macro noise and attacks. The noise changes, but the long term thesis stays the same.

Right now, we have a so far bottom of $59,100 that is about 53% below our ATH, which yeah, it is irritating, but it might still not be enough to satisfy the manipulating twats, to shake out larger quantities of weak hands and/or whatever other motivations that the beartwats have to get the price down as far as possible and to keep it down as long as possible.

Of course, they are after Saylor/MSTR, which seems a bit of wishful thinking, even though Saylor/MSTR seems to have had done a few pretty dumb things in recent times.

Any more tourists to cleanse?
Is this the beginning of the new bitcoin bull, bull, bull? Or does fiat exchange number need to go to 29xxx over 6 months for cycle prophet reasons?
Maybe not 29k in 6 months, but 50k-55k in a slightly shorter time as suggested by our nastiest gentleman? Personally, I see the 50-55 scenario as more likely than the slow death grind to 29, but if I had a working crystal ball I probably wouldn't be posting here right now...  Grin
yeah 48k 49k 50k 51k all seem sure to happen
a diff of under 100th = mortal lock
the pain is deep. I am pushing 70 can't keep doing this shit.
I am drinking som nice tequila right not it helps
and the beach was nice today.

I kind of hate to be the bearer of bad news again..

but...  here goes....

Part of the reason that I suggest that bitcoin has an investment timeline of 4-10 years or longer is because it can be quite challenging to try to get in and out of bitcoin in less than 4 years, so frequently any new purchase should have at least a 4 year timeline, even if you have some older coins..

Of course, I am a layperson too.. .. so even though I frequently preach 4-10 years or longer, I also preach that there are no guarantees that the UPpity trend will continue, even though it has done a pretty good job so far (and even though when the price is correcting, proclaiming that bitcoin has done a "pretty good job so far" does not tend to be reassuring.

OT: one look at at this and i wouldn't invest in OpenAI...
"we are doing everything...blah blah".
She thinks that she is very cool, though  Roll Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjrShuj_Zsg

I don't have any problems with her presentation style and the various substantive points that she is making in her 30-minute presentation (discussion).

Of course, there is a certain attempt to appeal to a broad base of consumers, and not just investors.. 
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OT: one look at at this and i wouldn't invest in OpenAI...
"we are doing everything...blah blah".
She thinks that she is very cool, though  Roll Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjrShuj_Zsg

I don't have any problems with her presentation style and the various substantive points that she is making in her 30-minute presentation (discussion).

Of course, there is a certain attempt to appeal to a broad base of consumers, and not just investors..  

I do, something along the lines as to "why your company wasted enormous computational resources on silly pictures/vids that you were not paid for" OR "what exactly in what you are doing makes it "Open"?
...and that's a difference of opinion that makes it a market. I also did not like a somewhat dismissive talk about her son phone habits in front of the world, essentially.
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  It's not too late to grab a donut for National Donut day.  I'm not American but my favourite donut shop is now even though they began life as a Canadian business... long story short, they were selling $1 donuts with the purchase of a coffee to celebrate "National" Donut day... where national refers to the United State of America which I figured out later.   The same shop in America - Tim Hortons is offering a free donut with the purchase of a coffee (one per person per day using their app) through June 7th.  Dunkin is giving a free donut with the purchase of a beverage - today only and Krispy Kreme is giving a no strings attached free donut all day today plus a BOGO dozen - they freeze well and are high-calorific if you're trying to get through the bitcoin doldrums cheaply - sorry I'm late with the info but some locations are open until 11pm so you can all still cash in on it.
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Flat 59-61 k for 60 days in a row. Is the third choice.
February 2021 ~ October 2021, February 2024 ~ October 2024, February 2026 ~ June 2026, are the times that the price has been at 60k, and now, enough long contracts at 57~58.. an double-bottom at 1h chart....
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 Aurora has been a bust so far.  Kp actually reached a bit over 6 which indicates a G3 storm which would have been good for Canada and Northern US states but the oval was out over the Atlantic at that time and higher latitudes were it might have appeared right now are still light due to the earth's ~23.5° tilt.  On top of the, the Kp is falling so, I don't plan to stay up much longer hoping for a glimpse... I'd rather go for another $1 donut - old fashioned sour cream Smiley
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Aurora has been a bust so far.  Kp actually reached a bit over 6 which indicates a G3 storm which would have been good for Canada and Northern US states but the oval was out over the Atlantic at that time and higher latitudes were it might have appeared right now are still light due to the earth's ~23.5° tilt.  On top of the, the Kp is falling so, I don't plan to stay up much longer hoping for a glimpse... I'd rather go for another $1 donut - old fashioned sour cream Smiley

Yeah.. go eat some donuts... you fatso.. hahahhahahaha

I will try to carry the Aurora weight for the thread while you are out.

I took a few pictures, yet maybe I should have had shot further into the sky.  The colors were viewable but not very strong.



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Aurora has been a bust so far.  Kp actually reached a bit over 6 which indicates a G3 storm which would have been good for Canada and Northern US states but the oval was out over the Atlantic at that time and higher latitudes were it might have appeared right now are still light due to the earth's ~23.5° tilt.  On top of the, the Kp is falling so, I don't plan to stay up much longer hoping for a glimpse... I'd rather go for another $1 donut - old fashioned sour cream Smiley

Yeah.. go eat some donuts... you fatso.. hahahhahahaha

I will try to carry the Aurora weight for the thread while you are out.

I took a few pictures, yet maybe I should have had shot further into the sky.  The colors were viewable but not very strong.



Does this picture give away my location?

If you posted a time-lapse video with the stars moving in the sky, then I think I could precisely locate you. But a single photo of the stars doesn't contain enough information to do that... The only hope is the uniqueness of the surroundings, which don't look very unique in that photo.
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Does this picture give away my location?

Not really. I think I see Cassiopeia and Cepheus. However, not even the latitude alone is easy to guesstimate given the lack of metadata (time of day). I'd say between 35-55 N. Your camera was probably pointing approximately E to NE.
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@Phil & all:
Cycle theory is not a belief system. I personally don't want it to exist. I hate it. But it's not up to me. It's the code. It's the Halvings. That's what's causing it.

We can argue all we want about whether it's good or bad for Bitcoin and how we all hate it and don't want it to exist.
No one is causing cycles to exist. In the words of Whitney Houston (again!): "They just do!"
I think that you conflate bitcoin issuance with bitcoin price.
Yes, bitcoin issuance is halving each four years, roughly, but at this point the size of daily issuance is minuscule in comparison with daily trading volume or money flows in and out.
Bitcoin investment flows are not in the code, and it is erroneous to assume that they are, in perpetuity.

That said, I grant you that halvings were important for flows at some point, but as of now, they are just not a factor as bitcoin miners produce just 450btc/day rn or $28 mil/day vs 50bil daily trade or 0.056%.
To me, 0.056% of something flowing ought not to have a directional effect on where the flow is going.
TL;DR Yes, cycle theory is currently a belief system, no doubt about it, based on the evidence above.

I generally agree that there is something about cycles that exist and they are real, while at the same time, we are framing them too, and I doubt that we completely frame them into existence, even though cycles are also a product of human conduct and sentiment related to buying bitcoin based on where the collective (or market) believes the price is going to go, and sure there are a bunch of up and down [size=ept]Elliot[/size] waves too.. that form into four year cycles of up and down that are not clear about how much they will go up or down, yet they can be plotted into patterns that fit on top of each other, even if the magnitude might not always be the same.. and even if the exact time might not be the same either and even if they might or might not stop happening at any moment.

I frequently like to think of cylce-like thingie-ma-jiggies happening and even continuing to happen  - until they don't.

‎Check out this TikTok I found!  https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSQeBW8Xa/
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OT but what the hell is wrong with the word?
What makes you think anyone that frequents this thread would create a fucking ticktock account?
I clicked on the tiktok link, and yeah, it required a "log in," and yeah, I don't have a tiktok account nor any plan to create one.  Yet.
Ah, my bad. I thought TikTok videos could be watched without logging in.
Here’s the Twitter/X link instead:
https://x.com/FFS_WhatNow/status/2060454984915800146/video/1?s=46
Edit: It turns out most TikTok videos can be viewed without an account, but this particular video is marked as age-restricted and requires a login.

Oh.. I see.

I did a quickie look-up of Bonnie Blue, and she is a porn star in the prime of her fame (27 years old), so she is surely seeking attention and willing participants in her planned "Golden Shower," and so I suppose, to a certain degree, the more shocking the better.   Apparently, she got pregnant by having some kind of a 400-man fertility welcoming stunt that involved DNA tests with the 400 men to figure out which of them is the father, like a lottery, I suppose...

and some news that looks bad
https://www.yahoo.com/news/science/article/nasa-astronauts-aboard-international-space-station-ordered-to-shelter-in-dragon-spacecraft-amid-worsening-air-leaks-151226804.html
"NASA astronauts aboard International Space Station ordered to shelter in Dragon spacecraft amid worsening air leaks..."
I read it and not sure why it is leaking.

I did a quickie search, and it appears that for years there had been many leaks, yet the leaks are adding up to possible structural failure, and so during this most recent repair, the sheltering was done as a precautionary measure during the more intense threat of structural failure during the latest of repairs.

Only, it didn't last time...one guy got scared of the "moon shadow" and liquidated 80000 btc at once (177 day supply)...some liquidity freeze.
Additionally, claiming that it is "psychological" is the exact opposite of "it is in the code".
I conclude that people have very diverse explanation re cycles...and the only "thing" they (cyclists) agree on is, apparently, is that  "it has to go down 70-80% each time".
All other typical "cycle" parameters has been already violated.
Here is the list:
1. No ATH before the halving (violated in 2024).
2. No violation of the cycle high of the cycle before (done in 2022).
3. No 200 week sma violation (done for a relatively long stretch in 20220
4. A significant cycle price extension (only 83% increase from 2021 to 2026 highs).

PlanB was already proven wrong...now the price is "working" on the powerlaw trend.
I would very much like at least that one to hold, because if it doesn't, the bitcoin investment thesis would become quite complicated to say the least.

It is not like all the cyclists have to agree on the same criteria for the cycle to still be valid and just have variations, and you seem to be making shit up, too, in regards to what constitutes a cycle or what constitutes criteria for the 4-year cycle to largely remain valid, even if it is not exact in various ways.
Circles are created by those who are manipulating the system because they gain or benefiting from it. Circles do exist, take example from human life, seasons. If you say circles don't exist then where did the word circle came from? You don't need to agree with it for it to exist. circle is real and it exist and it's not a belief system it comes naturally. Some dies at the end of his or her circle. Bitcoin also has it own circle as far as it's under the sun. If what The supreme being created revolves around circle how much more something created by man.
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