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April 17, 2013, 07:34:16 AM
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I said "unless they traded down" - those got what they deserved for panic selling  Cheesy

So you don't consider that some are not buying Bitcoin for speculation, some actually use it. I guess BitPay was forced to trade down quit some in the last few days. So do they deserve that?


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April 17, 2013, 07:48:30 AM
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I said "unless they traded down" - those got what they deserved for panic selling  Cheesy

So you don't consider that some are not buying Bitcoin for speculation, some actually use it. I guess BitPay was forced to trade down quit some in the last few days. So do they deserve that?



Precisely when you don't buy for speculation, you don't lose. You bought BTCX, you have BTCX. If you panic sell because of a dip, then you lose on what you actually put in.

Businesses relying on the exchange rates must provision accordingly.

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April 17, 2013, 07:56:07 AM
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People are into BTC cause they believe in this new idea, or they are hoping to get rich (like having faith in a certain stock to increase in value).

For those people trying to get rich, yeah lots of money they lost.

And for this new idea? Its dying now. It won't completely go away though. Even a 10-20 year old video game still has a few people that play it once in a while, even though majority of people could care less.



Guilty of wanting to see BTC work.

Guilty of wanting to get rich.

So far, both on track.

Thanks for the post.

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April 17, 2013, 08:02:54 AM
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Also, on the video-game analogy:

One of the most popular pages on any of my websites is a Pacman game.

People play it a lot, like it and it earns me money in ad revenue.

Again: analogy fail.

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April 17, 2013, 08:05:23 AM
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People are into BTC cause they believe in this new idea, or they are hoping to get rich (like having faith in a certain stock to increase in value).

For those people trying to get rich, yeah lots of money they lost.

And for this new idea? Its dying now. It won't completely go away though. Even a 10-20 year old video game still has a few people that play it once in a while, even though majority of people could care less.

Translation: I put some effort in and it didn't work. Time to give up.

Kids today, how the hell do they get anything done with that instant gratification mentality and a total lack of staying power? What did Buffett do when his company lost half it's net worth in 2009? Just kept going, that's what.

Churchill once said something like 'if you are going though hell, keep going.'
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April 17, 2013, 08:06:50 AM
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Will we get another chance like this again? A type of media attention that draws in thousands of new people to dump money into the market? Probably not.

Although this is not the first time BTC bubble popped, it is the first time how ever of mass media attention that encouraged a lot of people to invest into it.

Game Over.
Let me tell you why I don't give a fig about "drawing in thousands of new people to dump money into the market".

To me, the goal is this: Bitcoin becomes functional as a currency. I don't care about it replacing greenbacks or transforming me into a millionaire via Austrian alchemy, just that it become a currency that works.

The path that I see to reach that goal goes something like this:
1) People barter with BTC in an over-the-counter way.
2) Big services and companies accept BTC and cash out into fiat immediately.
3) Some people who accept BTC and can pay their expenses in BTC stop cashing out into fiat, and just pay with the BTC instead.
4) BTC->BTC becomes more common, until it becomes possible and natural to pay all your regular expenses with the currency, and exchanges become nice-to-haves rather than necessary for normal use.

Now. The price per bitcoin is falling. The centralized exchanges have proven themselves unworthy and insufficient. And yet, (2) has not been slowed. The OKCupid announcement came after the crash was well underway. OKCupid doesn't care about whether BTC is going up or down! They just care that it'll make it easier for people to give them money!

There's no sign that the current price action will do anything to change (2), because the infrastructure is in place to allow businesses to accept bitcoins without having to worry about the price, and they seem to still be arriving.

If there comes a day when I can get my salary in BTC, and pay my utility bill in BTC, I will not care how many people are "buying in", because the important part is that thenceforth, anyone who chooses to can divorce themselves from the banking system, save the fees they would have otherwise paid, and transact online without a middleman.

At that point, Bitcoin will have accomplished its purpose. Everything else will be gravy.

If there is something that will make Bitcoin succeed, it is growth of utility - greater quantity and variety of goods and services offered for BTC. If there is something that will make Bitcoin fail, it is the prevalence of users convinced that BTC is a magic box that will turn them into millionaires, and of the con-artists who have followed them here to devour them.
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April 17, 2013, 08:23:48 AM
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Failure is a state of mind!

If you want to buy some BTC and suddenly find that those coins will get you more of the coins you just used to get you the BTC, that is just trading with yourself, and is a pointless game!

If you buy some BTC, and then sell them to others after adding 10% to the price you paid for them, that is trading!

If you sell stuff and get BTC, that is really using bitcoins for what they were designed for - a currency.

If you are able to write some code that helps someone in one part of the world trade with someone else for less, by using Bitcoins, you are moving the world forward, and we are all winners.

If you just post crap on a forum, well, you work that one out! Wink


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April 17, 2013, 11:26:43 AM
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I don't usually do this but since this guy registered week ago and already has whopping 250+ posts I have to:



Anyway you mate made it to my ignore list. Thanks for being this obvious  Grin

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April 17, 2013, 12:14:22 PM
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Even a 10-20 year old video game still has a few people that play it once in a while, even though majority of people could care less.

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html
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April 19, 2013, 12:22:12 AM
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I'm sure there are a few people out there that play Super Mario Bros 1 on the 8-Bit Nintendo, but not many people.

And a ton of people that have Super Mario Bros 1 in their basement some where.

How much can you see it for? Probably couldn't give it away.

That is the future of BTC.

Day traders make their profit and get out, before the collapse and gets banned from exchanging at real banks.

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April 19, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
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Yeah. Your choice of analogy doesn't really help your case.

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April 19, 2013, 01:36:28 AM
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