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April 17, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
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What does Thatcherism mean to you?




Here is some information about her for those interested:

New York Times obituary:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/world/europe/former-prime-minister-margaret-thatcher-of-britain-has-died.html?ref=margareththatcher

Guardian podcast about her legacy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/audio/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-conservatives

Some videos:

http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/04/09/world/europe/100000002162491/how-thatcher-changed-britain.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-obituary-video1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22154888

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April 17, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
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The irrelevant pride of loyalist statesmen.
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April 17, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
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somememe.jpg "Babbles about small state -- First thing she does is start war at Falkland Islands".

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April 17, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
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Baroness Thatcher did not start the war over the Falklands.

She did, however, finish it.   Cool

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The Falklands War began on Friday 2 April 1982, when Argentine forces invaded and occupied the Falkland Islands and South Georgia.

In doing so the Galtieri government hoped to mobilise Argentines' long-standing patriotic feelings towards the islands and thus divert public attention from the country's chronic economic problems and the regime's ongoing human rights violations.

The British government dispatched a naval task force to engage the Argentine Navy and Air Force, and retake the islands by amphibious assault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

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^^^Fantastic documentary detailing exactly how Maggie T. showed the lazy spear-chucking socialist Argentine cavemen what a real country is capable of.


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April 18, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
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The interesting thing I got from the crappy movie they did about her was to note that trying to force everyone to pay the same tax rate is political suicide.

That pretty much shows that we will continuously slip further and further into tyranny of the people.

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April 18, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
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The interesting thing I got from the crappy movie they did about her was to note that trying to force everyone to pay the same tax rate is political suicide.

That pretty much shows that we will continuously slip further and further into tyranny of the people.

The flat tax is very popular in Russia.  Of course Putin doesn't have to put up with the BBC poofs and Trots who continuously lambasted Thatcher.

That's because Russians, unlike Britons, have already tried fully embracing socialism and found it not to their liking.   Wink




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April 18, 2013, 03:29:08 AM
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The interesting thing I got from the crappy movie they did about her was to note that trying to force everyone to pay the same tax rate is political suicide.

That pretty much shows that we will continuously slip further and further into tyranny of the people.

The flat tax is very popular in Russia.  Of course Putin doesn't have to put up with the BBC poofs and Trots who continuously lambasted Thatcher.

That's because Russians, unlike Britons, have already tried fully embracing socialism and found it not to their liking.   Wink


That may be the only way we get freedom in America.

A long dark age of socialism to teach them what it is like.

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April 18, 2013, 03:33:51 AM
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A flat tax rate would do wonders for America.  A progressive tax rate just means, the more successful you are, the more you'll be punished.

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April 18, 2013, 03:56:11 AM
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A flat tax rate would do wonders for America.  A progressive tax rate just means, the more successful you are, the more you'll be punished.
Except that the smaller your check at the end of the week, the more significant each percentage point gets.

Prior to 1913, the US government ran on nothing but excise and some limited sales taxes. Did you know they actually avoided limiting income tax to 4%, because they were concerned that it would rapidly reach that unthinkable number?

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April 18, 2013, 04:11:40 AM
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A long dark age of socialism to teach them what it is like.
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We're soaking in it!

A flat tax rate would do wonders for America.  A progressive tax rate just means, the more successful you are, the more you'll be punished.

Yes it would.  A flat tax would be a sea change, an outright repudiation of progressivism, because the progressive income tax is (next to abortion) the Trots' and Fabian's highest sacrament.

Mrykul is right about the slippery slope and conflict of interest, but even small steps on the road back to equality under the law are important.

A flat tax isn't a permanent solution to the flaws of man (necessitating eternal vigilance and all that), but at least it's less inequitable than the status quo.

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April 18, 2013, 04:25:23 AM
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A flat tax isn't a permanent solution to the flaws of man (necessitating eternal vigilance and all that), but at least it's less inequitable than the status quo.
Speaking of which, I'm 15% (according to my Kindle) through Anarchy, State, and Utopia, and I've already spotted one problem. It's like he's never heard of arbitration, and just assumes that all conflicts between justice providers would be settled violently.

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April 18, 2013, 04:45:43 AM
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A flat tax rate would do wonders for America.  A progressive tax rate just means, the more successful you are, the more you'll be punished.

The ideal flat tax income rate is zero.  That's exactly what it was up until 1913, and then they knew a constitutional amendment was necessary.  Even so, the Supreme Court has twice ruled that the amendment did not alter the definition of "taxpayer", which up until that time included foreign nationals doing business in the United States, and citizens of one state working in another.  You wouldn't know it by how such events unfold these days, but according to legal history, a natural born citizen working for a labor wage within his state of residence is exempt from federal income taxation.

Not that I'm stupid enough to argue that point on my own tax forms.

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April 18, 2013, 04:48:58 AM
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How did it come to this?  Sad

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April 21, 2013, 09:50:39 PM
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You wouldn't know it by how such events unfold these days, but according to legal history, a natural born citizen working for a labor wage within his state of residence is exempt from federal income taxation.

Not that I'm stupid enough to argue that point on my own tax forms.

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