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April 18, 2013, 07:24:15 AM
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Almost every major Bitcoin website has been under DDOS attack over the past few days. It’s becoming a real problem, not just for the exchanges. It is also opening up other vulnerabilities.

Installing defensive tech (like cloudflare) is not enough. Isn’t the Bitcoin community supposed to include some of the best hackers in the world? We should set up a bounty and take the fight to whatever botnets are trying to mess with Bitcoin.

As long as attackers can get away with it for free, attacks will continue. Let's just readjust their incentives a bit  Wink

I suggest setting up:

0. Reward for proving that there is a real attacker
1. Reward for whoever can identify the source of the attacks
2. Bounty for taking down (with prejudice) any major attackers


Considering the potential losses for major Bitcoin businesses if these attacks continue, I’m sure pledging a few coins each for this would be worthwhile. It might also be a good project for the Bitcoin Foundation...

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April 18, 2013, 07:30:55 AM
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Would be nice if some of the admins of the websites would come forth with info on where they are getting DDOS'd from. I understand that in certain circumstances that it's hard to trace the origin, but if they learn anything, I would gladly counter DDOS those servers, or help in other ways. As I am sure many other Bitcoin users would.

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April 18, 2013, 07:31:26 AM
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Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.
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April 18, 2013, 07:33:41 AM
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Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.
It's perfect.

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April 18, 2013, 07:34:15 AM
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Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.
I see we have drawn out the DDoSer... Gentlemen, prepare the ion cannons!

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April 18, 2013, 07:37:25 AM
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April 18, 2013, 07:51:05 AM
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Would be nice if some of the admins of the websites would come forth with info on where they are getting DDOS'd from. I understand that in certain circumstances that it's hard to trace the origin, but if they learn anything, I would gladly counter DDOS those servers, or help in other ways. As I am sure many other Bitcoin users would.

One does not simply get the source of Distributed DoS attack.
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April 18, 2013, 07:58:19 AM
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Would be nice if some of the admins of the websites would come forth with info on where they are getting DDOS'd from. I understand that in certain circumstances that it's hard to trace the origin, but if they learn anything, I would gladly counter DDOS those servers, or help in other ways. As I am sure many other Bitcoin users would.

One does not simply get the source of Distributed DoS attack.

Botnets have owners who control them. Sure, it won't be easy. I couldn't do it. But somebody among the almost 100.000 bitcointalk members must be a security forensics expert, right?

If the reward is high enough... we might even get an insider tip from someone who knows the attackers... Even technically unassailable systems are socially vulnerable.
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April 18, 2013, 08:27:39 AM
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Almost every major Bitcoin website has been under DDOS attack over the past few days. It’s becoming a real problem, not just for the exchanges. It is also opening up other vulnerabilities.

Installing defensive tech (like cloudflare) is not enough. Isn’t the Bitcoin community supposed to include some of the best hackers in the world? We should set up a bounty and take the fight to whatever botnets are trying to mess with Bitcoin.

As long as attackers can get away with it for free, attacks will continue. Let's just readjust their incentives a bit  Wink

I suggest setting up:

0. Reward for proving that there is a real attacker
1. Reward for whoever can identify the source of the attacks
2. Bounty for taking down (with prejudice) any major attackers


Considering the potential losses for major Bitcoin businesses if these attacks continue, I’m sure pledging a few coins each for this would be worthwhile. It might also be a good project for the Bitcoin Foundation...



Sure but they would have to release logs and other information to the general public first.
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April 18, 2013, 08:29:30 AM
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Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.

DDOS wars are counter productive but counter attacks are productive if you know who and what to attack. Who says you gotta attack with DDOS? You could attack with the authorities kicking their doors in.
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April 18, 2013, 08:32:02 AM
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Would be nice if some of the admins of the websites would come forth with info on where they are getting DDOS'd from. I understand that in certain circumstances that it's hard to trace the origin, but if they learn anything, I would gladly counter DDOS those servers, or help in other ways. As I am sure many other Bitcoin users would.

One does not simply get the source of Distributed DoS attack.

Botnets have owners who control them. Sure, it won't be easy. I couldn't do it. But somebody among the almost 100.000 bitcointalk members must be a security forensics expert, right?

If the reward is high enough... we might even get an insider tip from someone who knows the attackers... Even technically unassailable systems are socially vulnerable.

Now this is a good idea. Using Bitcoins to get community intel and tips. But how do you verify the information to make sure they aren't lying?  The tip has to be prior to an attack not after. So it should be something like "if you can predict the place and time of the next attack you win the reward" or even more specific like "if you help us prevent the next DDOS attack you can win the reward bounty".
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April 18, 2013, 08:48:19 AM
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If the reward got big enough though the DDOSer might just fake details, predict the next DDOS, claim the bounty and then lay low for a while happy and smug...
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April 18, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
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Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.

DDOS wars are counter productive but counter attacks are productive if you know who and what to attack. Who says you gotta attack with DDOS? You could attack with the authorities kicking their doors in.

There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters
But yeah I would chip in a few bitcoins to protect bitcoin.
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April 18, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
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Here's what I think:

The DDOS was done by a person/group to cause panic and crash the price so they could buy up coins on the cheap. Now that they have bought their coins the DDOS's have stopped.
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April 18, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
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There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters
But yeah I would chip in a few bitcoins to protect bitcoin.

It's probably the bankers behind it, they'd have the money and resources to do it and who has more history at manipulating markets in their favour than them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hire groups of hackers to perform these attacks when they want.

I could be wrong though!
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April 18, 2013, 10:47:02 AM
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Or ripple/litecoin supporters


I highly, highly doubt that.
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April 18, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
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Re:  DDoS prevention.  Does Cloudflare essentially offer the same services as that DDoS prevention service that accepts BTC?


From what I understand the one that accepts BTC has all traffic routed through them (BGP AS would be them) the destination endpoint(s) can be absorbed in to the services' IP block through tunneling or a leased line.



If such a company has the PoP bandwidth to handle the DDoSers while route black holing the attackers once they reach their perimeter, then that seems good enough??



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April 18, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
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start a rumor that the guy doing the ddos did/said something extremely offensive to islam.  then let al queda behead him.
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April 18, 2013, 01:40:54 PM
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I suggest setting up decentralized systems that are not subject to attack. Make the change and the DDOS becomes a thing of the past.
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April 18, 2013, 01:46:43 PM
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There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters

Ripple enthusiasts are too smart for that, and Litecoin users are too stupid.
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