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Question: Where better place to invest?
WeTrust - 52 (49.1%)
Edgeless - 54 (50.9%)
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February 25, 2017, 01:27:52 PM
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I voted for Edgeless because it is a single option poll. Wetrust is a financial project, which requires higher coding level. Edgeless is a gambling platform with 0% house edge, it is the killer app for gamblers, gamblers will have more confidence due to 0% house edge.
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February 25, 2017, 02:29:30 PM
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I vote for WeTrust because I join all bounty stuff with WeTrust,don't want change now.
But think both projects have potential.
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February 25, 2017, 04:32:16 PM
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Wetrust: investment min: 1000 BTC, max: 6000 BTC

Edgeless: min: 50000 ETH(555 BTC), max: 440000 ETH(4884 BTC) current ETH price=0.0111 btc on poloniex.

Edgeless has lower threshold, and not large max like Wetrust. Lower market cap projects will be more profitbale, so IMO Edgeless will be better.

If Edgeless drops that to 2500 BTC, they will win this competition easily and reach their maximum easily. If they leave it so high, they may end up like Ark.io and only get 1000 BTC or less (and possibly be underfunded leading to failure). But I don't know for sure because there are a lot of speculators who are not calm, cool, level-headed, and who are easily swayed to swing the bat at lower odds of success.

Too much money upfront can be an incentive to never finish the project.

Both have a maximum that is way too high:

And what happens when the escrow people have different judgement than some or many of the ICO investors?

Discord? "Oh well"? Suckers!

And what happens when the escrow bean counters are not visionaries and screw up the developers who want to remain fleet footed and flexible?

There is no governance that solves the problem of giving developers $5 million and then expecting them to meet some pie-in-the-sky promises. Much better don't give a lot of money for promises. The developers need $300,000 for 12 months with 3 developers, then okay. Or you've got industry savant s/w engineers so they need $500k for a year of development, then maybe okay. But $5 million?!?

I developed CoolPage (a million user product) in my Nipa Hut in the Philippines while eating rice and salt. Nobody gave me a damn penny. Then I released and earned up to $100,000 a month (inflation adjusted).

Work before pay. Money down only before panty down (because men lose interest after they cum).


Not sure about currently running ICO but next month there is few good one like WeTrust, TaaS etc coming up.
Taking part in ico is a risk.Sometimes you win and make 4x or 10x profit and sometimes you lose.

Bitcoin is blasting off, and you are going to be stuck holding an illiquid asset while you watch Bitcoin go up 2X.

Doesn't seem like a good time to be taking that risk, unless it is a "sure thing"TM.

If the maximum raised was limited to $1 or $2 million, I'd be more positive. But $6 million maximum looks like the devs just want to cash out and go play on a Yacht with your Bitcoin.
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February 25, 2017, 10:16:01 PM
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(excerpt)
Project: WeTrust

The main tagline from the website is:
A platform for Trusted Lending Circles, powered by people and blockchain.

The slightly longer explanation from the whitepaper is:
WeTrust is a collaborative savings, lending and insurance platform that is autonomous, agnostic, frictionless, and decentralized. WeTrust utilizes the Ethereum blockchain to create a full-stack alternative financial system that leverages existing social capital and trust networks, eliminating the need for a “trusted third party”, allowing for lower fees, improved incentive structures, decentralized risks, allowing a greater amount of capital to reside among the participants, and ultimately improving financial inclusion on a global scale.

Personally I find the concept very interesting. The goal is to build a platform with increasingly complex alternative financial and insurance products. The first product being developed is an application for Trusted Lending Circles (aka Rotating and Saving Credit Association/ROSCA).

They have a website at www.wetrust.io, a blog at medium.com/wetrust-blog and there is a proof-of-concept available on rosca.wetrust.io. To hear the Founder's talk more about the project in their own words, watch the CoinFund's Hangout or listen to the Blockchannel's podcast with them.



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February 25, 2017, 10:31:27 PM
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I think comparing  WeTrust vs Edgeless is wrong. Is like comparing apple and orange. You should have opened up separate thread for each to discuss them.

I know Edgeless is trying to have a cut of a huge market and high profit potential and if done right with right strategy they should get it right.

WeTrust is trying to move a tradition loan system to the blockchain, this can be done right but my issues with this project are adoption and trust in the system

Trust and adoption seems to be the concerns of The community about Wetrust Project, given the facts that trust is an unlikely matter and adoption of Loan trust circles that Wetrust plans to build maybe low considering the fact that anything Crypto isn't grandpma friendly.


But a quick look at Edgeless tells you of it's potential. The gambling industry is very massive and wouldn't have issues with any adoption of some sorts.


Either way, Both Project are promising but If I were to chose, I'd go for edgeless.

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February 26, 2017, 03:45:15 AM
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i think gambling casion have big chance can give the porfit to investors

so i have vote edgeless
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February 26, 2017, 04:31:20 AM
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how  do Wetrust implement the confirmation and  audit of the  users claims?  we can not do this without  human-work

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February 26, 2017, 05:03:48 AM
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how  do Wetrust implement the confirmation and  audit of the  users claims?  we can not do this without  human-work

@eastwind_ja: I've answered your question in the main WeTrust Announcement

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February 26, 2017, 05:40:09 AM
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I see these two projects have excellent potential and a second developer is very hard work to build the project, but what's your choice?
 WeTrust Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1773367.0;topicseen
Edgeless Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1718384.0;topicseen
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Ico The second is that will fight in March. equally as nice and I'm sure both of them were able to get a minimum of targets ico. I prefer to success edgeless. because of the history of coin gambling ico average success

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February 26, 2017, 06:05:07 AM
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Since you come over here to shill with 18 pt colored text and emphasize the importance of the views of other past ICO sellers (what software has this guy ever accomplished?), let's at least quote him more accurately:

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Altogether, I get a very positive feeling

Feelings are nice. How about specific objective points that we can sink our teeth into instead of nebulous gut intuition.

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Like many other blockchain projects, it is very hard to correctly identify the potential size of the markets they are going after. Just limiting ourselves to the potential ROSCA market, the crypto based ROSCA market is $0 as far as I know today

A dose of objective reality.

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The potential here is huge ($450 billion in the markets listed in the whitepaper), but it’s also very important to not get trapped in the 1 percent fallacy (“if we only get 1 percent of the online search market from Google, we’ll get rich”)

The bolded is an important warning. However, it is also incorrect to state that the potential is $450 billion. The potential is closer to $0, because none of that $450 billion market knows anything about crypto or has any significant incentive to use a crypto system. Many of your "potential" users don't even use computers!

The "build it and they will come" delusion.

But you as a speculator don't really care about adoption. What you care about is if they can do some really good bullshit marketing like Vitalik et al did for Ethereum.

Ethereum was selling a dream. But that dream was actualized by producing virtual machines and research.

WeTrust has a marketing problem because the dream actually has to be actualized in adoption. No amount of press releases about endorsements by NGOs and other bullshit will really matter or will it?

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What is the go-to market strategy? 2/5

This is one area I think is clearly lacking in the whitepaper.

The only clear market strategy communicated is a focus on collaborations with NGOs and other organisations in order to drive user adoption to the platform. This sounds like a good strategy, but there should be testimonials and preferably commitments that this product is interesting and needed by them, otherwise investors will have no way of knowing whether the go-to market strategy has any merit.
The other major drawback is that the product as it stands now requires users to be fully crypto literate.

He has the same criticisms I made which I formed after glancing at the project for about 2 minutes for the first time.

The barrier to entry is obvious and huge.

It is a reasonably interesting idea. But they don't need $6 million to get to the next stage. They are not even coding a blockchain, as they are using a smartcontract on top of Ethereum. They should be more modest and set their maximum at $2 - $3 million, so that their ICO investors have better ROI and there is more upside demand from investors who wanted to buy but could not get into an oversubscribed ICO.

Besides Ethereum can't scale. So anything built on Ethereum can't scale. Casper is fundamentally flawed and will never work.

It is an interesting idea. And they could in theory transition their idea to any better blockchain that might come in the future. It is a worthy research. But less hype and more sober presentation would be more respected. And stop trying to cash out $6 million for a smart contract and some mobile app. Work hard boys on a minimal salary as all dedicated founder startups do.

One of the "potential" reasons the ICOs set a large maximum is so they can borrow BTC and buy tokens from themselves. So they make it look like they raised more $ than they did and then they have this huge hidden premine.
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February 26, 2017, 06:45:04 AM
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Notice how he responds to my post by trying to bury it with more 18 point colored text endorsements from some more guys who have taken your money from you in the past.

Edit: he deleted his post that was between my two posts (this one and the one immediately above). He originally had post announcing Bo and Vitalik has just joined the project with huge photos and colored text. So clearly we can see he is disingenuous.
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February 26, 2017, 07:28:02 AM
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If must choose to option wetrust or edgelees
iam choose wetrust, because Iconomi dev interest join to wetrust project, you can see icomi dev high trust , and succes ico selling

but if  you want buy ico selling another two option, iam recomended in my use signature, the Legend room coin
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iam choose wetrust, because Iconomi dev interest join to wetrust project

Where did he write or say that?

I read he concluded, "Conclusion — Neutral". He isn't endorsing it.

I also posted a comment on his blog:

Why don’t you mention the scaling issue? Ethereum still can’t scale. And Casper is inherently flawed and will never come to fruition.

So what is the point of developing anything for mass adoption on Ethereum?

And the next time another smart contract loses funds like the DAO attack, then who is going to trust any of these smart contracts?

Trying to get people who don’t even use computers to adopt blockchains and then on top of that very insecure concept of a Turing-complete blockchain. What are you smoking dude?



Re: Are you a bagholder? Which altcoins do you hold?

As for some of the shitcoins mentioned in this thread, clearly the speculators will buy any idealistic bullshit. The more idealistic nonsense it is, the more likely they will buy it. For example WeTrust is more idealistic bullshit without any realistic adoption case.

As for both WeTrust and especially HumanIQ, there are all these new ICOs coming out for smart contracts running on Ethereum which want to target milllions and billions of users adoption. But Ethereum can't scale!

Besides Ethereum can't scale. So anything built on Ethereum can't scale. Casper is fundamentally flawed and will never work.
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February 26, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
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both of them are good project, but i give my vote to wetrust, if wetrust team can implement business ecosystem it will be good project
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February 26, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
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if I see the project into two coin will be a success, but I would be more successful gen edgeless
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February 26, 2017, 06:23:49 PM
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i vote Edgeless . Because it's a creative project.


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February 26, 2017, 06:33:40 PM
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I think both of them have potential and will have sucess with a good and responsible team. But if i have to chose, i will take Edgeless, 0% Edge is too attractive to gamblers, so hopefully  they will loose their money on there  Grin

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February 27, 2017, 05:45:00 AM
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if I think it's better edgeless

why I prefer edgeless ??
because repayment edgeless lot more than wetrust and Edgeless is a gambling platform with 0% house edge, so gamblers will have more confidence

 

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February 27, 2017, 08:54:56 AM
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Both these projects have different ideas and no comparison can be made on both.

I believe both these projects will be successful
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