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March 02, 2017, 02:18:16 AM
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maybe not anti-putin, but anti comunism

That statement doesn't go hand in hand. Putin doesn't have any connections with the communist party. In fact, the members of the Russian communist party hates him more than any other politician. 

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.



Russia is not a friend of the U.S., but neither is it an enemy, nor necessarily opposed
to peaceful coexistence and cooperation. Perhaps Russians saw hope with Trump's election,
but I dunno when the love affair will last. I think the main enemy globally here is, terrorism.
They can probably co-exist with equal terms with Russia to wage war on terror. Terrorism
should have been eradicated or, at least, contained in the Middle-East. in IHMO. Putin
and Trump should worked hand in hand to fight terrorism globally.




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Guys! Putin never wanted to be a Czar or gain back that hemorrhoid USSR - he haves a lots and lots of inside Russia problems. All he is doing is just defending himself and Russian nation.
Dont believe in massmedia - come in Russia to see  everything by your eyes. In my humble opinion there must be no misunderstanding between Americans and Russian. If they`d cooperate world could be much much better and richer.
ps. I`m not russian, I`m from eastern Europe.
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Putin
and Trump should worked hand in hand to fight terrorism globally.

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Representative Tulsi Gabbard called again for the US to stop aiding terrorists like Al-Qaeda and ISIS, while her guest at the presidential address to Congress, a Kurdish refugee activist, called for an end to the US policy of “regime change in Syria.”

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Guys! Putin never wanted to be a Czar or gain back that hemorrhoid USSR - he haves a lots and lots of inside Russia problems. All he is doing is just defending himself and Russian nation.
Dont believe in massmedia - come in Russia to see  everything by your eyes. In my humble opinion there must be no misunderstanding between Americans and Russian. If they`d cooperate world could be much much better and richer.
ps. I`m not russian, I`m from eastern Europe.
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Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.



Russia is not a friend of the U.S., but neither is it an enemy, nor necessarily opposed
to peaceful coexistence and cooperation. Perhaps Russians saw hope with Trump's election,
but I dunno when the love affair will last. I think the main enemy globally here is, terrorism.
They can probably co-exist with equal terms with Russia to wage war on terror. Terrorism
should have been eradicated or, at least, contained in the Middle-East. in IHMO. Putin
and Trump should worked hand in hand to fight terrorism globally.





What is terorrism, anyway? Just another method of warf,are an assymetric one, sure, but warfare none the less. You cant fight a "method", you must fight its users. And to do that, you have to identify them first. Or should I say, stop arming them?

United States have been leader of most powerful block (that is the West) for generations, ascending Great Britain. You see, the conflict with Russia is not about ideology, as Britain waged similar "cold war" ever since Napoleonic Wars. It is about spheres of influence in a world of finite resources. While, I applaud your progressive viewpoint about partnership with people with common strance on life and death... I remain sceptical. In a globalized world lead by a superpower, any and I mean ANY sovereign nation with independent policy - be it Russia, China or heck, even small Hungary, can be labeled as potential enemy, "profit breaker" and general candidate for orchestrated coup or military engagement.

Terrorists financed by west allied theocracies of Persian Gulf are mere small puppets in such game.
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Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

The immigrant situation is bad in Russia. But at the same time, at least 50% of these immigrants were whites or non-white Christians, from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia.etc. In the Western nations, more than 90% of the immigrants are non-Christian. Also, most of the immigrants to Russia are temporary job seekers.

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Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

The immigrant situation is bad in Russia. But at the same time, at least 50% of these immigrants were whites or non-white Christians, from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia.etc. In the Western nations, more than 90% of the immigrants are non-Christian. Also, most of the immigrants to Russia are temporary job seekers.
And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia?

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Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

The immigrant situation is bad in Russia. But at the same time, at least 50% of these immigrants were whites or non-white Christians, from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia.etc. In the Western nations, more than 90% of the immigrants are non-Christian. Also, most of the immigrants to Russia are temporary job seekers.
And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

There might be up to ten million seasonal (that is important) migrants to Russia. Primarily from Ukraine and yes, even from central Asia. Immigration is not the problem. Twisting your country laws to accomodate them, while making native population second class citizens is. It creates environment rife for social unrest and eventually racism. Instituted from above, mind you.

That is not the case in Russia, where migrants have to work and dont get any social benefits, unless they assimilate.

It is the case for western Europe and northern America, however.
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Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

The immigrant situation is bad in Russia. But at the same time, at least 50% of these immigrants were whites or non-white Christians, from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia.etc. In the Western nations, more than 90% of the immigrants are non-Christian. Also, most of the immigrants to Russia are temporary job seekers.
And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

There might be up to ten million seasonal (that is important) migrants to Russia. Primarily from Ukraine and yes, even from central Asia. Immigration is not the problem. Twisting your country laws to accomodate them, while making native population second class citizens is. It creates environment rife for social unrest and eventually racism. Instituted from above, mind you.

That is not the case in Russia, where migrants have to work and dont get any social benefits, unless they assimilate.

It is the case for western Europe and northern America, however.
After Putin attacked the Ukraine the number of immigrants from Ukraine began to decrease. Soon Russia will have the same problems with Muslims in Europe. As they say, for that fought for it and ran.
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.

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March 04, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.
And you want to say that Russian citizens live well? Reserves of Russian gas and oil much more than in Turkmenistan. It seems to me that the welfare of citizens depends not on fossil fuels, but from the corrupt government.
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.
And you want to say that Russian citizens live well? Reserves of Russian gas and oil much more than in Turkmenistan. It seems to me that the welfare of citizens depends not on fossil fuels, but from the corrupt government.

PER CAPITA. Turkmenistan is indeed very wealthy given its historical status as backwater. Russia has 30x more population. Like comparing poorer parts of United States to Norway for example.

I dont think there are many people, who can claim with straight face that their particular government is not corrupt at all. However it is worth mention, that United States spend more on its military than is entire state budget of Russian federation (yes, including welfare, schooling and infrastructure costs).
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.
And you want to say that Russian citizens live well? Reserves of Russian gas and oil much more than in Turkmenistan. It seems to me that the welfare of citizens depends not on fossil fuels, but from the corrupt government.

PER CAPITA. Turkmenistan is indeed very wealthy given its historical status as backwater. Russia has 30x more population. Like comparing poorer parts of United States to Norway for example.

I dont think there are many people, who can claim with straight face that their particular government is not corrupt at all. However it is worth mention, that United States spend more on its military than is entire state budget of Russian federation (yes, including welfare, schooling and infrastructure costs).
This is because in America there are so many thieves in power. Putin himself is a thief and has surrounded himself with the same people as he did. Moreover it destroys any dissent. So Russian will be a very long time to live in squalor.
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And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.
And you want to say that Russian citizens live well? Reserves of Russian gas and oil much more than in Turkmenistan. It seems to me that the welfare of citizens depends not on fossil fuels, but from the corrupt government.

PER CAPITA. Turkmenistan is indeed very wealthy given its historical status as backwater. Russia has 30x more population. Like comparing poorer parts of United States to Norway for example.

I dont think there are many people, who can claim with straight face that their particular government is not corrupt at all. However it is worth mention, that United States spend more on its military than is entire state budget of Russian federation (yes, including welfare, schooling and infrastructure costs).
This is because in America there are so many thieves in power. Putin himself is a thief and has surrounded himself with the same people as he did. Moreover it destroys any dissent. So Russian will be a very long time to live in squalor.

Let me rephrase the argument then.

Can you cite any, and I mean ANY era where people inhabiting Russia enjoyed better living standarts than today? You can link sources and numbers, so we can make this more interesting.

Because I can bet with you, that you wont find it.

Also as far as "America" goes, I believe you mean specifically United States, not rest of the wide continent - it is fine. Corrupt perhaps, but due to geopolitics and protestant mentality of the founders, you enjoy perhaps highest living standarts in the world while still retaining freedoms that are unheard of else where. Russia cannot compare, but not because it would be even more corrupt, but because its past and quite long history has been so much more turbulent.
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