Iran announces successful test of $800m Russia-built air defence system

[MisO69]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

[Okurkabinladin]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

Thank you for explanation and yes, this seems perfectly plausible.

On the other hand, nobody was punished for mass (if accidental killing) of hundreds of civilians and then governing US administration openly defied common courtesy by refusing to issue apology (cause you know, elections). Thats not how you build relations in civilized matter.

It is also worth noting, that military explanation ie. mistaking passenger aircraft for iranian Tomcat plainly gives away, that US supported Iraq in the war against Iran. No Iraqi airplanes were ever shotdown by US in the eighties and no sanctions were in place, despite documented use of chemical weapons in residental areas. In fact, as supply of soviet migs dwindled, Iraqi air force was replenished by F-86 Sabres.

[Challenger2015]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

[Seccerius]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

I'm shocked. The world is spending so much money on development, to kill, and for the mass extermination of people are not even a single person. We really soon destroy themselves.

[MisO69]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

You left out one important copy/paste..

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crew members, the shipboard Aegis Combat System aboard Vincennes recorded that the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only, rather than on military Mode II.

Had they bothered to check their equipment then they would have seen it was a civilian craft and it was climbing, not diving in for an attack.

[Maximilian_333]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

[bitbunnni]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

The weapon is not a toy, and in the wrong hands, arms always brings harm and trouble. So it happened with Boeing. But apparently the control of such actions may not be long.

[StefanReed]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

The weapon is not a toy, and in the wrong hands, arms always brings harm and trouble. So it happened with Boeing. But apparently the control of such actions may not be long.

War is never possible to manage. There have been attempts to build the UN to prevent wars and solve all the problems peacefully, but we all now see that this attempt failed.

[Okurkabinladin]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

[Challenger2015]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

You might have forgotten the war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq. Everywhere the American army participated in open confrontation. If you don't count Vietnam, everywhere the Americans won with very little loss.

[Okurkabinladin]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

You might have forgotten the war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq. Everywhere the American army participated in open confrontation. If you don't count Vietnam, everywhere the Americans won with very little loss.

I did not. Did you make it to the part of sentence where I mentioned "third world" countries? Or do you count tribal Afghanistan which did not even have airforce as a military powerhouse? Yes, northern Vietnam had used Migs and primitive sams... with suprising success given nominal superiority of western troops.

I doubt media would given attention to S-300 and S-400 air defense systems if they were ineffective or indeed that still developing such as Iran would spend so much money on foreign product that doesnt work.

The question, atleast for me, is survivability of aircraft carrier in modern warfare. Power projection aside, those boats given modern unmanned drones and high explosives seem quite fragile in open conflict.

[Marcus_2017]

Any weapon can cause irreparable damage. Therefore, the placement of these defense systems can not pose a threat. But it seems to me that the Russians are exaggerating the capabilities of these systems.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

[Fizamcc]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

[Gronthaing]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

Did you not read what okurkabinladin wrote? Iraq was supported by the us and the west in the war against iran. They were supplied ammo, weapons, intelligence, some specialized troops, and diplomatic support as well. Even tried blaming iran for the chemical attacks done by iraq.

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

You left out one important copy/paste..

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crew members, the shipboard Aegis Combat System aboard Vincennes recorded that the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only, rather than on military Mode II.

Had they bothered to check their equipment then they would have seen it was a civilian craft and it was climbing, not diving in for an attack.

Not only that but the ship shouldn't even be there in the first place. It entered iranian waters illegally and under false pretense. And the crew of a nearby ship apparently had no problem identifying the plane as civilian.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

[Discovery 17]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

[Tesorex]

Iran already has the technology to send satellite in orbit, I wouldn't call that third world country, did they attack any country like US did? all they have done is to make sure not ending up like Iraq or Afghanistan.
They said if you are not providing us with nuclear fuel for our reactors then we'll do our best to cook some for ourselves and sell what we don't need.
Result was killing Iranian scientists, who kills knowledge? launching the biggest cyber attack of all times as Stuxnet, sending their most advanced drones just to be captured and giving them even more technologically advantage than before.
Iran already has the fire power to literally destroy Israel's infrastructures without the need of any nuclear warheads, so their excuse for preventing Iran to achieve the technology level and knowledge required to build atomic bombs is nonsense.
Having nuclear capability is no joke and first country wanting to prevent Iran is Russia which is closer to any supposed danger because of proximity and radioactive drama and such.

[criptix]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

[frankbit]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

In Russian there is a secret. Their equipment is largely primitive because of the low level electronics and so it is difficult to bring down. Whatever it was, but these systems can always be destroyed from the earth.