Iran announces successful test of $800m Russia-built air defence system

[OmegaStarScream]

Iran has successfully tested an advanced air defence system purchased from Russia in another demonstration of strong ties between the two countries.

The S-300 system can track and take out multiple targets at a range of up to 125 miles (200 km) and has been named Damavand after Iran's highest mountain – a potentially active volcano.

IBTimes : http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-announces-successful-test-800m-russia-built-air-defence-system-1609741

[Forester618]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

[Okurkabinladin]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

[Tesorex]

Air defense system! their own version is on the way named "Believe317". if US government really cares about human rights then they should release more than $100B of Iranian's frozen assets directly to their people using bitcoin imagine the price then haha.

[Fortify]

Nobody wins except the arms manufacturers and a few executives at the top. You can bet Israel already has plans in place to neutralise the systems, but they're not going to show that hand until it's absolutely necessary. Iran will probably end up reverse engineering the systems and figure out all the technology needed to build it themselves in future

[MattScott]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

[GreenBits]

My concern is, governments never sell offensive/defensive technologies before they have essentially rendered it obsolete, at least according to their own paradigm. You never give away the good China So, what has Russia been working on (especially given the recent mobilization of Russian forces around the globe, and indications of Russia testing weapons again)? And given the current political situation with America and Russia (not Trump's situation, #45 seems blissfully unaware of Russia).

[StefanReed]

My concern is, governments never sell offensive/defensive technologies before they have essentially rendered it obsolete, at least according to their own paradigm. You never give away the good China So, what has Russia been working on (especially given the recent mobilization of Russian forces around the globe, and indications of Russia testing weapons again)? And given the current political situation with America and Russia (not Trump's situation, #45 seems blissfully unaware of Russia).

Trump knows all about Russia. He is the eyes and ears! Just it is more interested in financial well-being. He is willing to turn a blind eye to the aggressive rhetoric of the Kremlin in order to earn a few million dollars. It seems to me that he was not aware why Russia is arming Iran. Maybe he was crazy?

[Gronthaing]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Better yet. America stops invading random countries around the world.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Goes to show the power of propaganda. A decade after the invasion of iraq a third of americans still believed it was because of wmd for example. Repeat something often enough and people will believe it.

Air defense system! their own version is on the way named "Believe317". if US government really cares about human rights then they should release more than $100B of Iranian's frozen assets directly to their people using bitcoin imagine the price then haha.

Could do the same at home too. Instead of bailing out banks and spending trillions in defense and invasions.

[Sithara007]

Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.

[Xester]

Iran has successfully tested an advanced air defence system purchased from Russia in another demonstration of strong ties between the two countries.

The S-300 system can track and take out multiple targets at a range of up to 125 miles (200 km) and has been named Damavand after Iran's highest mountain – a potentially active volcano.

IBTimes : http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-announces-successful-test-800m-russia-built-air-defence-system-1609741

Arab countries including Iran is always in conflict with other nations. And since other Arab nations also owns super weapons then Iran as a protection to their country needs to upgrade their air defense system.  But the most effective way to protect the nation from threat is to promote peace. When peace is there countries does not need anymore weapons to fight and protect themselves.

[Lancusters]

Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.

This Russian PR. S 400 is not the best air defense system. Besides, she has a lot of vulnerabilities. But if you do not have a strategy against her is she's really not bad at doing its job. Russia will never sell these systems because I can't afford to completely satisfy your demand.

[Sithara007]

Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.

This Russian PR. S 400 is not the best air defense system. Besides, she has a lot of vulnerabilities. But if you do not have a strategy against her is she's really not bad at doing its job. Russia will never sell these systems because I can't afford to completely satisfy your demand.

According to Western defense experts, the S-400 is the best air-defense system available right now. No other system can offer the range, accuracy and capabilities that the S-400 offer. Both China and India have purchased the S-400 systems from Russia. Other nations such as Egypt, Algeria and Vietnam are in negotiations with Russia over the purchase of the system.

[Okurkabinladin]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese.

2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc.

It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there.

3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure.

[signature200]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese.

2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc.

It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there.

3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure.

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

[Okurkabinladin]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese.

2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc.

It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there.

3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure.

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Iran was supported by US pre-islamic revolution (1974), when the country was governed by local Shah (Imperator). After Imams took the power, United States turned to support Saddam which was tradionally backed by Russians. In Iraq-Iran war, Iran was essentially unsupported (as its islamist leanings were alien even to Soviets) against western backed Iraqis.

Hilariously, air war was dominated by several legendary american F-14 Tomcats, supplied to Iran by US pre-revolution...

Iraqi military did not collapse in the war only thanks to generous arms and financial aid by anglo speaking countries. Those debts turned Iraq into mess though and when the fighting ceased, hungry eyes of Saddam turned to another ally of US in the region. "Free" money in form of Kuwait.

[Forester618]

In any case, it seems to me that Iran would not be able to confront Iraq without the support of America. Once again convinced that the revolution is no good do not lead, but the politicians never know when to leave power and revolution is inevitable.

[Okurkabinladin]

In any case, it seems to me that Iran would not be able to confront Iraq without the support of America. Once again convinced that the revolution is no good do not lead, but the politicians never know when to leave power and revolution is inevitable.

Let me repeat it then. By the time of Iraq-Iran conflict, Iran was in international isolation, while Iraq was supported by the West, even though Saddamites used chemical weapons in residental areas of Iran.

I am no judging this or that policy of leaders and I am definitely not fan of theocracy, but lets not rewrite history here. Iran was not supported by US since 1979. That is starting year of hostage affair too. Iraq invaded Iran year later initialy equipped with russian migs, but later recieving spades of US made F-86s sabers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

[Sithara007]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

[Lieldoryn]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

[MisO69]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

[Okurkabinladin]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

Thank you for explanation and yes, this seems perfectly plausible.

On the other hand, nobody was punished for mass (if accidental killing) of hundreds of civilians and then governing US administration openly defied common courtesy by refusing to issue apology (cause you know, elections). Thats not how you build relations in civilized matter.

It is also worth noting, that military explanation ie. mistaking passenger aircraft for iranian Tomcat plainly gives away, that US supported Iraq in the war against Iran. No Iraqi airplanes were ever shotdown by US in the eighties and no sanctions were in place, despite documented use of chemical weapons in residental areas. In fact, as supply of soviet migs dwindled, Iraqi air force was replenished by F-86 Sabres.

[Challenger2015]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

[Seccerius]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

I'm shocked. The world is spending so much money on development, to kill, and for the mass extermination of people are not even a single person. We really soon destroy themselves.

[MisO69]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

You left out one important copy/paste..

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crew members, the shipboard Aegis Combat System aboard Vincennes recorded that the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only, rather than on military Mode II.

Had they bothered to check their equipment then they would have seen it was a civilian craft and it was climbing, not diving in for an attack.

[Maximilian_333]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

[bitbunnni]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

The weapon is not a toy, and in the wrong hands, arms always brings harm and trouble. So it happened with Boeing. But apparently the control of such actions may not be long.

[StefanReed]

In any case, I'm sure it was an accident. This once again emphasizes that during the war innocent people are suffering. Better to let never be wars. Then there will be no reason to find out who is to blame. Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

The weapon is not a toy, and in the wrong hands, arms always brings harm and trouble. So it happened with Boeing. But apparently the control of such actions may not be long.

War is never possible to manage. There have been attempts to build the UN to prevent wars and solve all the problems peacefully, but we all now see that this attempt failed.

[Okurkabinladin]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

[Challenger2015]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

You might have forgotten the war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq. Everywhere the American army participated in open confrontation. If you don't count Vietnam, everywhere the Americans won with very little loss.

[Okurkabinladin]

These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.

Umm.. no, Iraq had scuds and to my knowledge no air to air missiles this advanced.

The S-300 can still take out most of the aircraft that their neighbors have. Such as Israel's F16, F15 eagles and other fighter/bombers from that generation.

It may be useless against the new US F22 Raptor since they are stealth but that is still to be determined.

Serial production of the s-300 was launched in 1975. There were of course some modifications, but still this complex is 41 years old! I'm pretty confident that these complexes are not very dangerous to modern aircraft. Also probably during this time we developed weapons of suppression of these systems.

Do you know where serial production of F-15,16,18 had started?  Its not like airplanes got more explosive proof since then.

The fact is that United States never had to oppose enemy force toe-to-toe since Wold War 2. Good for world peace but not a proof of superiority, when you are comparing your best to third world countries.

Messages here are quite telling, that Iran indeed does well investing into its air defense capabilities.

You might have forgotten the war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq. Everywhere the American army participated in open confrontation. If you don't count Vietnam, everywhere the Americans won with very little loss.

I did not. Did you make it to the part of sentence where I mentioned "third world" countries? Or do you count tribal Afghanistan which did not even have airforce as a military powerhouse? Yes, northern Vietnam had used Migs and primitive sams... with suprising success given nominal superiority of western troops.

I doubt media would given attention to S-300 and S-400 air defense systems if they were ineffective or indeed that still developing such as Iran would spend so much money on foreign product that doesnt work.

The question, atleast for me, is survivability of aircraft carrier in modern warfare. Power projection aside, those boats given modern unmanned drones and high explosives seem quite fragile in open conflict.

[Marcus_2017]

Any weapon can cause irreparable damage. Therefore, the placement of these defense systems can not pose a threat. But it seems to me that the Russians are exaggerating the capabilities of these systems.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

[Fizamcc]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

[Gronthaing]

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

Did you not read what okurkabinladin wrote? Iraq was supported by the us and the west in the war against iran. They were supplied ammo, weapons, intelligence, some specialized troops, and diplomatic support as well. Even tried blaming iran for the chemical attacks done by iraq.

It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.

Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.

According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14.

According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes.

At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner.

This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism.

The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter.

In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.

You left out one important copy/paste..

Contrary to the accounts of various USS Vincennes crew members, the shipboard Aegis Combat System aboard Vincennes recorded that the Iranian airliner was climbing at the time and its radio transmitter was "squawking" on the Mode III civilian code only, rather than on military Mode II.

Had they bothered to check their equipment then they would have seen it was a civilian craft and it was climbing, not diving in for an attack.

Not only that but the ship shouldn't even be there in the first place. It entered iranian waters illegally and under false pretense. And the crew of a nearby ship apparently had no problem identifying the plane as civilian.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

[Discovery 17]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

[Tesorex]

Iran already has the technology to send satellite in orbit, I wouldn't call that third world country, did they attack any country like US did? all they have done is to make sure not ending up like Iraq or Afghanistan.
They said if you are not providing us with nuclear fuel for our reactors then we'll do our best to cook some for ourselves and sell what we don't need.
Result was killing Iranian scientists, who kills knowledge? launching the biggest cyber attack of all times as Stuxnet, sending their most advanced drones just to be captured and giving them even more technologically advantage than before.
Iran already has the fire power to literally destroy Israel's infrastructures without the need of any nuclear warheads, so their excuse for preventing Iran to achieve the technology level and knowledge required to build atomic bombs is nonsense.
Having nuclear capability is no joke and first country wanting to prevent Iran is Russia which is closer to any supposed danger because of proximity and radioactive drama and such.

[criptix]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

[frankbit]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

In Russian there is a secret. Their equipment is largely primitive because of the low level electronics and so it is difficult to bring down. Whatever it was, but these systems can always be destroyed from the earth.

[Okurkabinladin]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

So if anybody disagrees with official US narrative it means they are "hired russian trolls", huh? No, wonder, that such ill informed people make bad decisions then.

To correct some of your bad info. Russia (or rather Soviet Union) formed global space sattelite program, originally planned in 1976, it was completed and fully functional by 1995. It is why it was able to overturn war in Syria with merely forty warplanes. It is called GLONASS.

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

[criptix]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

So if anybody disagrees with official US narrative it means they are "hired russian trolls", huh? No, wonder, that such ill informed people make bad decisions then.

To correct some of your bad info. Russia (or rather Soviet Union) formed global space sattelite program, originally planned in 1976, it was completed and fully functional by 1995. It is why it was able to overturn war in Syria with merely forty warplanes. It is called GLONASS.

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

No. Russians trolls are people who have usually no clue but still talk.

You are a perfect example for that.
I am talking about a space based radar program and you talk about a navigation satellite, which im not even sure that it works (russias GPS). Lol

S-400 doesnt work if russias c4isr infrastructure is destroyed.

[Okurkabinladin]

Criptix,

I find it quite interesting, that person, who has been around bitcoin forum doesnt even know what acronym GPS means.

GPS is form of radar.

Since you are so educated on the subject, you probadly already know, that both Russia and China have dedicated weapons to destroy enemy sattelites from their aerial platforms.

[criptix]

Criptix,

I find it quite interesting, that person, who has been around bitcoin forum doesnt even know what acronym GPS means.

GPS is form of radar.

Since you are so educated on the subject, you probadly already know, that both Russia and China have dedicated weapons to destroy enemy sattelites from their aerial platforms.

Its getting comical you know. LOL

Please look up what GPS, Glonass or Galileo do.
Are you a russian troll or from the senegal? Both would make sense

And well it doesnt matter much because the US has (superior) anti satellite weapons too.
In fact the US owns more SM-3 which are capable of destroying satellites in leo then the amount of russias and chinas satelllites together.

Without space based radar you can neither watch over the horizon nor fail check your land based radar systems.
That means before china and russia would activate their anti satellite weapons everything russian and chinese made in space would have already been reduced to rubble.

[Sithara007]

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

The primary aim of the S-400 is to protect the strategic defense assets of the Russian Armed Forces (especially the nuclear-tipped ICBMs). From what I have heard from Western defense experts, the S-400 makes it almost impossible to target these assets.

[criptix]

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

The primary aim of the S-400 is to protect the strategic defense assets of the Russian Armed Forces (especially the nuclear-tipped ICBMs). From what I have heard from Western defense experts, the S-400 makes it almost impossible to target these assets.

The S-400 is an anti air-aircraft missile defense.

In the case of nuclear war the US would use ICBM's to destroy russias nuclear assets.
The s-400 would be useless.

Additionaly it is fact that the max operational range of the s-400 is around 400 km which makes it vulnerable to even the f-18 with their 2015/16 long range upgrade.

Please source your western defense experts.
(I hope they dont have russian names or get paid by putin  )

[darkseid1199]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

[Sithara007]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

[Challenger2015]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

In fact, there are so many ways to combat the s-300 and s-400 too. If Israel will need, believe me they can easily make their air strikes.

[Sithara007]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

In fact, there are so many ways to combat the s-300 and s-400 too. If Israel will need, believe me they can easily make their air strikes.

If Israel want, they can order air strikes. But the risk is now increased by many times. And the last thing the Israelis want is one of their jets shot down and the pilot captured by the Iranians. Remember the case of Lieutenant Colonel Ron Arad?

[Balthazar]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

Looks like you've missed something in your public school, since Iran isn't Arab country.

[Balthazar]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

Let me guess, we have another pity ukrainian liar here.

Try to find a fool in another place, your bullshit doesn't work for me. Because my own grandfather and grandmother lost everything in Chechnya due to islamist takeover. And they clearly recognized a group of scums who broke into their home at 4am. Few decades later most of them were put into jail, but I'd say that they deserve a lot worse. Just like you do.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

Let me guess, we have another pity ukrainian liar here.

Try to find a fool in another place, your bullshit doesn't work for me. Because my own grandfather and grandmother lost everything in Chechnya due to islamist takeover. And they clearly recognized a group of scums who broke into their home at 4am. Few decades later most of them were put into jail, but I'd say that they deserve a lot worse. Just like you do.

They are using the same tactics in Donbass. They are shelling the schools and kindergartens in Donbass and killing innocent civilians. Mass graves have been discovered in areas, whose control were wrested back by the rebels from the Kiev regime.