Iran announces successful test of $800m Russia-built air defence system

[Okurkabinladin]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

So if anybody disagrees with official US narrative it means they are "hired russian trolls", huh? No, wonder, that such ill informed people make bad decisions then.

To correct some of your bad info. Russia (or rather Soviet Union) formed global space sattelite program, originally planned in 1976, it was completed and fully functional by 1995. It is why it was able to overturn war in Syria with merely forty warplanes. It is called GLONASS.

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

[criptix]

In a case of total war the US would just nuke everyone down with a first strike.
And right now the balance of the MAD doctrine is not secured.


http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578


Btw from all studies i read the s-400 is not the wonder machine most of the russians trolls want it to be.
The US has enough forces and the means to destroy russias c4isr infrastructure which would make most of russias defense useless.

The biggest problem is that russia doesnt own a space based radar program (or rather they just started one because they realised themself).

So if anybody disagrees with official US narrative it means they are "hired russian trolls", huh? No, wonder, that such ill informed people make bad decisions then.

To correct some of your bad info. Russia (or rather Soviet Union) formed global space sattelite program, originally planned in 1976, it was completed and fully functional by 1995. It is why it was able to overturn war in Syria with merely forty warplanes. It is called GLONASS.

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

No. Russians trolls are people who have usually no clue but still talk.

You are a perfect example for that.
I am talking about a space based radar program and you talk about a navigation satellite, which im not even sure that it works (russias GPS). Lol

S-400 doesnt work if russias c4isr infrastructure is destroyed.

[Okurkabinladin]

Criptix,

I find it quite interesting, that person, who has been around bitcoin forum doesnt even know what acronym GPS means.

GPS is form of radar.

Since you are so educated on the subject, you probadly already know, that both Russia and China have dedicated weapons to destroy enemy sattelites from their aerial platforms.

[criptix]

Criptix,

I find it quite interesting, that person, who has been around bitcoin forum doesnt even know what acronym GPS means.

GPS is form of radar.

Since you are so educated on the subject, you probadly already know, that both Russia and China have dedicated weapons to destroy enemy sattelites from their aerial platforms.

Its getting comical you know. LOL

Please look up what GPS, Glonass or Galileo do.
Are you a russian troll or from the senegal? Both would make sense

And well it doesnt matter much because the US has (superior) anti satellite weapons too.
In fact the US owns more SM-3 which are capable of destroying satellites in leo then the amount of russias and chinas satelllites together.

Without space based radar you can neither watch over the horizon nor fail check your land based radar systems.
That means before china and russia would activate their anti satellite weapons everything russian and chinese made in space would have already been reduced to rubble.

[Sithara007]

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

The primary aim of the S-400 is to protect the strategic defense assets of the Russian Armed Forces (especially the nuclear-tipped ICBMs). From what I have heard from Western defense experts, the S-400 makes it almost impossible to target these assets.

[criptix]

S400 is by its designation not meant to by the ultimate weapon, rather it is a tool that will prevent enemy air strikes to destroy infrastructure. And given all the attention of media and "experts", Id say it works.

The primary aim of the S-400 is to protect the strategic defense assets of the Russian Armed Forces (especially the nuclear-tipped ICBMs). From what I have heard from Western defense experts, the S-400 makes it almost impossible to target these assets.

The S-400 is an anti air-aircraft missile defense.

In the case of nuclear war the US would use ICBM's to destroy russias nuclear assets.
The s-400 would be useless.

Additionaly it is fact that the max operational range of the s-400 is around 400 km which makes it vulnerable to even the f-18 with their 2015/16 long range upgrade.

Please source your western defense experts.
(I hope they dont have russian names or get paid by putin  )

[darkseid1199]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

[Sithara007]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

[Challenger2015]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

In fact, there are so many ways to combat the s-300 and s-400 too. If Israel will need, believe me they can easily make their air strikes.

[Sithara007]

I believe the defence system is an archived Russian project that has been sold to the Iranians at a low cost, The two nations are forming an alliance with regards to what may happen very soon. Strengthened ties between the two will surely cause problems for Israel and the USA.

You are right in saying that the S-300 is an old version. But it can become very useful for the Iranians. Already the Israelis have abandoned their plans for future airstrikes inside Iran, just because of the presence of these systems.

In fact, there are so many ways to combat the s-300 and s-400 too. If Israel will need, believe me they can easily make their air strikes.

If Israel want, they can order air strikes. But the risk is now increased by many times. And the last thing the Israelis want is one of their jets shot down and the pilot captured by the Iranians. Remember the case of Lieutenant Colonel Ron Arad?

[Balthazar]

Forrester,

you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.

Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.

Just my two cents.

Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.

Looks like you've missed something in your public school, since Iran isn't Arab country.

[Balthazar]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

Let me guess, we have another pity ukrainian liar here.

Try to find a fool in another place, your bullshit doesn't work for me. Because my own grandfather and grandmother lost everything in Chechnya due to islamist takeover. And they clearly recognized a group of scums who broke into their home at 4am. Few decades later most of them were put into jail, but I'd say that they deserve a lot worse. Just like you do.

[Sithara007]

Recently there was a case when in Ukraine, Russian troops shot down a civilian Boeing.

I heard that it was the Ukrainian troops who shot down the Boeing, using the Buk anti-air missile. Didn't came as a surprise, as the Kiev regime has already killed many thousands of civilians in the Donbass using indiscriminate shelling.

Almost the same thing happened in Chechnya. True, there planes did not fall.

Chechen war was probably the bloodiest war ever fought during the last 3 decades. Both the sides used horrendous methods for their own advantage, including massacre of civilians, rape and torture. A majority of those who died were white Christians (ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians.etc), but the Western nations were overwhelmingly favoring the Chechen Islamists.

The Chechens did not destroy the civilian population. This is the handiwork of Russian soldiers. Therefore, the West and supported in this war of the Chechens. The same methods of warfare by the Russians we now see in Syria and Ukraine.

Let me guess, we have another pity ukrainian liar here.

Try to find a fool in another place, your bullshit doesn't work for me. Because my own grandfather and grandmother lost everything in Chechnya due to islamist takeover. And they clearly recognized a group of scums who broke into their home at 4am. Few decades later most of them were put into jail, but I'd say that they deserve a lot worse. Just like you do.

They are using the same tactics in Donbass. They are shelling the schools and kindergartens in Donbass and killing innocent civilians. Mass graves have been discovered in areas, whose control were wrested back by the rebels from the Kiev regime.