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May 22, 2017, 01:02:45 PM
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I just finished up a week in Tahiti for the first ever Tahitia seasteading conference.

The takeaway is that French Polynesia supports us building the first ever seastead in one of their protected lagoons. They are willing to set up a Special Economic Zone for the seastead that will allow us to have our own economic laws but still require following their criminal laws. So things such as taxes, labor laws, business regulation etc will be handled by us, things such as murder, rape, theft etc will be handled under the current French system. And of course, defense against pirates will fall under the French navy's responsibility.

The legislation should go through by the end of 2017 and then 2018 we can get started. Likely first seastead will be up in 2020.

I will be working with a great team of cryptocurrency experts to see how we can integrate Bitcoin and blockchain technology for things such as title management, equity investments, shares, etc.
I like the idea of this developing into a society based upon blockchain.
If the seastead takes off and becomes stable it could create a very rich zone for blockchain development and real world testing, becoming the blockchain equivalent of silicon valley and attracting a lot of interest and investment on the world stage.

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I just finished up a week in Tahiti for the first ever Tahitia seasteading conference.

The takeaway is that French Polynesia supports us building the first ever seastead in one of their protected lagoons. They are willing to set up a Special Economic Zone for the seastead that will allow us to have our own economic laws but still require following their criminal laws. So things such as taxes, labor laws, business regulation etc will be handled by us, things such as murder, rape, theft etc will be handled under the current French system. And of course, defense against pirates will fall under the French navy's responsibility.

The legislation should go through by the end of 2017 and then 2018 we can get started. Likely first seastead will be up in 2020.

I will be working with a great team of cryptocurrency experts to see how we can integrate Bitcoin and blockchain technology for things such as title management, equity investments, shares, etc.
I like the idea of this developing into a society based upon blockchain.
If the seastead takes off and becomes stable it could create a very rich zone for blockchain development and real world testing, becoming the blockchain equivalent of silicon valley and attracting a lot of interest and investment on the world stage.

There are various groups trying to tie contracts in with the blockchain, to make them solid, and to keep the record very public. Among them are The Omni Layer (http://www.omnilayer.org/) and Counterparty (https://counterparty.io/)... and there are others. The thing we really need is a SegWit-like, additional blockchain, that holds the contract info, and that ties the contract info into the Bitcoin blockchain, so that it can always be found and attested to with indisputable accuracy... and easily transferred by Bitcoin, if desired by the contract makers.

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May 22, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
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Hmm..a small boat with guns. How cute.

When every seasteader has their own 3D printed guns of choice...good luck.

Thats your resolution of conflict between those who have and have nots?

Arm everybody? Ive heard about such story before.



Perhaps, you will have to one day grow up and realize you are not special snowflake in a vacuum but human being and part of society. Otherwise, I see very little reason to exchange tyranny of atheistic, socialistic governments for tyranny of sea steading atheists, who believe in the survival of the fittest. More likely than not, they are not "fittest" either. If they were, they wouldnt seek refuge outside of society in the first place.
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Hmm..a small boat with guns. How cute.

When every seasteader has their own 3D printed guns of choice...good luck.

Thats your resolution of conflict between those who have and have nots?

Arm everybody? Ive heard about such story before.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6M3M9tTz3vk/TMi90BatpVI/AAAAAAAAATY/Hgk5V40lat8/s1600/Bioshock.jpg

Perhaps, you will have to one day grow up and realize you are not special snowflake in a vacuum but human being and part of society. Otherwise, I see very little reason to exchange tyranny of atheistic, socialistic governments for tyranny of sea steading atheists, who believe in the survival of the fittest. More likely than not, they are not "fittest" either. If they were, they wouldnt seek refuge outside of society in the first place.

Part of the human race, maybe... but not part of YOUR society, necessarily.

As for 3D printing, we're only at the start of what can be done:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/218365-2017-05-21-17-incredible-3d-printed-objects.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/218367-2017-05-21-how-metal-3d-printing-works.htm

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/218364-2017-05-21-3d-printed-ceramics-popmech.htm

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/197262-2016-05-20-carbon-m1-super-fast-3d-printer-demo-publisher-recommended.htm

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/217813-2017-05-10-scientists-successfully-3d-print-human-cartilage-with-a-breakthrough-stem.htm

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/217273-2017-05-01-7-amazing-cnc-machines-you-should-have.htm

https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner

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May 22, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
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BADecker,

perphaps you need some time to copy and paste less and think more. You have no alternative to a society you currently live in. You, yourself a christian. This seasteading, if succesfull will put you and many others among non-believing sharks. You talk about new start, but only thing you will manage to do is raising new walls.

Because you were too weak, to live in society you were part of and not strong enough to form a new one.

Sure, lets talk about bitcoin, weed, 3d printing and arming everyone (how many of those concepts are even your own?). That will make for great fundamentals of a new culture.

I will pray for you.
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BADecker,

perphaps you need some time to copy and paste less and think more. You have no alternative to a society you currently live in. You, yourself a christian. This seasteading, if succesfull will put you and many others among non-believing sharks. You talk about new start, but only thing you will manage to do is raising new walls.

Because you were too weak, to live in society you were part of and not strong enough to form a new one.

Sure, lets talk about bitcoin, weed, 3d printing and arming everyone (how many of those concepts are even your own?). That will make for great fundamentals of a new culture.

I will pray for you.

Hey, Okurkabinladin. Thanks for your prayers. But you are entirely mistaken about society in general, and my place with relation to it. Have a re-think.

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Seasteading in Paradise





For nearly a decade, the Seasteading Institute has been working to create autonomous floating communities on the ocean, where settlers can make their own rules de novo, unbound by the principalities and powers based on land. Founded by Google software engineer Patri Friedman—grandson of the libertarian economist Milton Friedman and son of the anarchist legal theorist and economist David Friedman—it has weathered its share of thin years, previously dwindling to a two-staffer, no-office operation. But on January 13 in San Francisco's Infinity Club Lounge, institute chief Randolph Hencken signed a memorandum of understanding with a new partner, one Jean-Christophe Bissou, and put the construction of an actual seastead onto the cusp of reality.

Bissou is no buccaneer or eccentric billionaire. He is minister of housing for French Polynesia, a collection of 118 islands and atolls in the South Pacific, technically an "overseas collectivity" of France. Seasteading will not begin on the government-free open seas after all. If Hencken, Bissou, and their respective colleagues have their way, the first seastead will float next year in a lagoon within French Polynesian waters.

As Hencken prepared to sign the agreement, he declared that this shift from a freewheeling vision of a libertarian society in the open ocean to a more tightly managed experiment in an existing nation's territory was probably inevitable. "We are not turning our backs on who we are," he said just before the ceremony, "but we are recognizing that when we made the choice in 2012 that we weren't going to the open ocean—we didn't have a billion dollars to build a floating city—that we'd have to engage in the politics of nations. It's challenging, but that's the reality of the human world, right?"

French Polynesian President Edouard Fritch was supposed to be there, but he had to stay behind to tend to some minor upheaval in his cabinet. (Bissou informed the audience that he got on the plane in Tahiti as minister of tourism but landed in California as minister of housing.) But none of this was a big deal, Fritch assured the crowd via Skype. Bissou was there representing the government's intention that seasteading will happen in French Polynesia.

The agreement commits the parties to "studies addressing the technical and legal feasibility of the project in French Polynesia" and to preparing a "special governing framework allowing the creation of the Floating Island Project located in an innovative special economic zone." Since the Seasteading Institute is an educational nonprofit, the signing ceremony was also the public debut of a for-profit spinoff called Blue Frontiers, which intends to build, develop, and manage the first Polynesian seastead.

Considering all that can go wrong when trying to craft a bold plan to save the planet from its political, economic, and environmental troubles, the path to the agreement was surprisingly short and untroubled.


The Polynesian Fixer

Marc Collins is kind of a big deal. Around Tahiti and its sister islands, he knows people who know people, and he knows all the people they know.

A former Silicon Valley resident himself, Collins grew up in Mexico and made his bones in French Polynesia as a retail jewelry king and an internet service provider telecom magnate. He also worked in the Polynesian government for 17 years, including a spell as minister of tourism. He claims to have once been the only person on the islands with a paper subscription to Wired magazine. So Collins was hip to the scene that produced the seasteaders—he'd been reading about them since 2008.

He noticed a 2015 article on Wired's website that said the seasteaders were ready to downsize their vision from a deep-sea project to a "floating city" in shallow offshore water. As a result, they'd need to collaborate with a host nation. So Collins contacted Hencken via LinkedIn and began cultivating relationships with him and other seasteaders via Skype and other means.


Read more at http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/21/seasteading-in-paradise.


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May 23, 2017, 08:17:55 AM
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Perhaps, you will have to one day grow up and realize you are not special snowflake in a vacuum but human being and part of society. Otherwise, I see very little reason to exchange tyranny of atheistic, socialistic governments for tyranny of sea steading atheists, who believe in the survival of the fittest. More likely than not, they are not "fittest" either. If they were, they wouldnt seek refuge outside of society in the first place.

If you do not believe that you are already living in a world of survival of the fittest you are looking at the world wrong. Those with the weapons run things. Look around.


Why would you care if there is someone somewhere in the world that is free? I imagine if there was someone deep in a cave somewhere practicing freedom you would want to stop this "part of society" from exercising such freedom. Track them down and make them conform. Otherwise what? You couldn't live with yourself knowing that someone else is more free than everyone else?

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Perhaps, you will have to one day grow up and realize you are not special snowflake in a vacuum but human being and part of society. Otherwise, I see very little reason to exchange tyranny of atheistic, socialistic governments for tyranny of sea steading atheists, who believe in the survival of the fittest. More likely than not, they are not "fittest" either. If they were, they wouldnt seek refuge outside of society in the first place.

If you do not believe that you are already living in a world of survival of the fittest you are looking at the world wrong. Those with the weapons run things. Look around.


Why would you care if there is someone somewhere in the world that is free? I imagine if there was someone deep in a cave somewhere practicing freedom you would want to stop this "part of society" from exercising such freedom. Track them down and make them conform. Otherwise what? You couldn't live with yourself knowing that someone else is more free than everyone else?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10



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May 24, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
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Aren't there concerns with safety from hurricanes, tidal waves, etc.? Also even though you would be outside of government influence and taxes you would also not have law enforcement protections.
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May 24, 2017, 02:08:47 AM
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Aren't there concerns with safety from hurricanes, tidal waves, etc.? Also even though you would be outside of government influence and taxes you would also not have law enforcement protections.

Tahiti has not had a hurricane or cyclone in over 100 years. The closer you are to the equator the less those things happen.

We would initially be under French Polynesia law protections.

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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.


Seasteading with Joe Quirk



I have just finished this book and it is best described as a work in progress, but does bring in all the important aspects.  It really needs serious editing.  But no matter.

What is important is the central theme.  That establishing safe permanent builds on the open ocean is both possible and plausible and should be done.  The secret if it is such a thing is size itself.  The bigger it is the safer it is.  After all on the open sea you know precisely what the maximum Typhoon will do.  Coastal cities however are always wide open to a massive Tsunami such as the one that ended the Atlantean world in 1159 BC.  Imagine a 75 foot tsunami hitting New York or far worse Miami or the English Channel.

However it all still requires coastal support to build in the first place.  One of the best places this can be done is actually the city of Vancouver on the Salish Sea.  The Sea it self is protected and never sees wave action that is modest at best. Better yet the distance from Roberts Bank to Galiano island and easy bridge access to Vancouver Island happens to be thirty three kilometers.  Roberts Bank is a delta mud flat quite suitable for building out large kilometer sized structures that float.  It would still need a kilometer wide removable locking system but that too can be floated in and out and sunk upon a base created by earth removal to provide the basin itself.

All the transport links come in as well and that seta up the anchor point.

Hexagonal shaped basins that are a kilometer wide can be built one by one and steadily extended across the Salish sea to reach the other side in essentially thirty three steps.  Road and rail corridors can be run through them as well allowing maximum access from land itself.  Rather obviously adding additional units is a containing operation as well and can go on for a century or more.

Each unit will have three to four kilometers of perimeter. That suggests that at least one hundred condominium towers can be build along that perimeter providing residence for 100,000 people.  Thus thirty three  could easily house 3,300,000 people with ample room for expansion.

The main thing to recall is that the original basin itself will be very light and ride high on the water yet provide ample hard points to anchor extensive building including multiple floors below deck that can be used for manufacturing  and even substantial vertical agriculture as well.  The primary build can be made fast and beneficently and the new basin can then be continuously developed even over years to accommodate demand..

Of course we are talking about a lot of cement for the hull and a likely metal cladding, though plastic is also in the running here.  Then there is re-bar although using basaltic fiber is likely superior there as well.  The project is simply big enough to actually create those industries.

Once underway, productivity can be steadily improved to supply units for high seas steadings as well.


How Floating Nations Will Restore the Environment, Enrich the Poor, Cure the Sick, and Liberate Humanity from Politicians


Personally, I can't wait for this to become a reality enough for more-or-less average people to get into.


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December 08, 2018, 09:58:27 AM
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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.

Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist.

Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen.

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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.

Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist.

Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen.

Since you are far closer to the actual seasteading scene than am I, I expect that you would know this far better than I. However, two things:

1. The article basically said that the seasteaders were doing what they were doing to better their lives. At least, that is what I came away with.

2. You know better than most what happens when people form an organization. It is hinted at in the article. What it is, is, somebody tries to innocently take control for his own benefit. The governmental infrastructure of any seasteading organization had better be spelled out clearly from a standpoint of freedom. If it isn't, it will simply become another dictatorship in one way or another. People who get into seasteading are somewhat ignorant of the basic principle of freedom, just like all other people. What is this principle? You are free to do anything you want unless you injure someone else or directly threaten him.

Further. A basic, simple history lesson about the USA. Back in the 1700s, the wealthy people in the Colonies were being threatened with taxation by King George and Co.  They were not wealthy enough to buy armies, so they had to do something that united the people in the colonies to fight the King. So, they built a potential government that offered the above principle to all people. But to maintain their control, they hid the clear working of it inside Constitution and the Amendments, so that the common people could feel that it was there, but could never use it in a big way to oppose government.

Today, we use parts of the above principle through the technical wording of the Constitution/Amendments. But most people are totally brainwashed into thinking that it is the Constitution/Amendments where they get their freedom from. Rather, all the Constitution/Amendments do is point to the place where people really get their freedom from.

This is so well hidden in the Constitution/Amendments by the wording (while, also, being right out in the open), that the people fail to see it and use it. This is good because it makes government strong to protect us, but it is bad because it makes government strong to conquer us. In fact, it is because of oppressive government(s) that the idea of seasteading has come into being. People being what they are, the same thing will happen with the government of seasteading, except if the people are really wise in their seasteading governmental structuring.

I'm afraid that Joe Quirk doesn't have the proper understanding of this. He is going to turn seasteading into another dictatorship, even if it is only by accident.

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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.

Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist.

Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen.

Since you are far closer to the actual seasteading scene than am I, I expect that you would know this far better than I. However, two things:

1. The article basically said that the seasteaders were doing what they were doing to better their lives. At least, that is what I came away with.

2. You know better than most what happens when people form an organization. It is hinted at in the article. What it is, is, somebody tries to innocently take control for his own benefit. The governmental infrastructure of any seasteading organization had better be spelled out clearly from a standpoint of freedom. If it isn't, it will simply become another dictatorship in one way or another. People who get into seasteading are somewhat ignorant of the basic principle of freedom, just like all other people. What is this principle? You are free to do anything you want unless you injure someone else or directly threaten him.

Further. A basic, simple history lesson about the USA. Back in the 1700s, the wealthy people in the Colonies were being threatened with taxation by King George and Co.  They were not wealthy enough to buy armies, so they had to do something that united the people in the colonies to fight the King. So, they built a potential government that offered the above principle to all people. But to maintain their control, they hid the clear working of it inside Constitution and the Amendments, so that the common people could feel that it was there, but could never use it in a big way to oppose government.

Today, we use parts of the above principle through the technical wording of the Constitution/Amendments. But most people are totally brainwashed into thinking that it is the Constitution/Amendments where they get their freedom from. Rather, all the Constitution/Amendments do is point to the place where people really get their freedom from.

This is so well hidden in the Constitution/Amendments by the wording (while, also, being right out in the open), that the people fail to see it and use it. This is good because it makes government strong to protect us, but it is bad because it makes government strong to conquer us. In fact, it is because of oppressive government(s) that the idea of seasteading has come into being. People being what they are, the same thing will happen with the government of seasteading, except if the people are really wise in their seasteading governmental structuring.

I'm afraid that Joe Quirk doesn't have the proper understanding of this. He is going to turn seasteading into another dictatorship, even if it is only by accident.

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The way it will be done it will be pretty much impossible to become a dictatorship.

That may be the case for some of these mega millions seasteads. At least micro dictatorships.

The first seasteads will be more like individuals building a log cabin in the woods. Then more people also building their cabins in nearby woods. Some deciding to be next to each other, some preferring to be on their own. As it grows bigger there will be those that congregate more in one area while others still choose to be far enough away. There will always be the option to be far enough away. That makes it very difficult for a dictatorship to thrive.

So more like people choosing to move to Alaska to be free. Without the cold but with other challenges.

The mega super structures are a long way from happening and likely slow down seasteading by being the main focus and drain of money that never results in anything being built.

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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.

Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist.

Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen.

Since you are far closer to the actual seasteading scene than am I, I expect that you would know this far better than I. However, two things:

1. The article basically said that the seasteaders were doing what they were doing to better their lives. At least, that is what I came away with.

2. You know better than most what happens when people form an organization. It is hinted at in the article. What it is, is, somebody tries to innocently take control for his own benefit. The governmental infrastructure of any seasteading organization had better be spelled out clearly from a standpoint of freedom. If it isn't, it will simply become another dictatorship in one way or another. People who get into seasteading are somewhat ignorant of the basic principle of freedom, just like all other people. What is this principle? You are free to do anything you want unless you injure someone else or directly threaten him.

Further. A basic, simple history lesson about the USA. Back in the 1700s, the wealthy people in the Colonies were being threatened with taxation by King George and Co.  They were not wealthy enough to buy armies, so they had to do something that united the people in the colonies to fight the King. So, they built a potential government that offered the above principle to all people. But to maintain their control, they hid the clear working of it inside Constitution and the Amendments, so that the common people could feel that it was there, but could never use it in a big way to oppose government.

Today, we use parts of the above principle through the technical wording of the Constitution/Amendments. But most people are totally brainwashed into thinking that it is the Constitution/Amendments where they get their freedom from. Rather, all the Constitution/Amendments do is point to the place where people really get their freedom from.

This is so well hidden in the Constitution/Amendments by the wording (while, also, being right out in the open), that the people fail to see it and use it. This is good because it makes government strong to protect us, but it is bad because it makes government strong to conquer us. In fact, it is because of oppressive government(s) that the idea of seasteading has come into being. People being what they are, the same thing will happen with the government of seasteading, except if the people are really wise in their seasteading governmental structuring.

I'm afraid that Joe Quirk doesn't have the proper understanding of this. He is going to turn seasteading into another dictatorship, even if it is only by accident.

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The way it will be done it will be pretty much impossible to become a dictatorship.

That may be the case for some of these mega millions seasteads. At least micro dictatorships.

The first seasteads will be more like individuals building a log cabin in the woods. Then more people also building their cabins in nearby woods. Some deciding to be next to each other, some preferring to be on their own. As it grows bigger there will be those that congregate more in one area while others still choose to be far enough away. There will always be the option to be far enough away. That makes it very difficult for a dictatorship to thrive.

So more like people choosing to move to Alaska to be free. Without the cold but with other challenges.

The mega super structures are a long way from happening and likely slow down seasteading by being the main focus and drain of money that never results in anything being built.

My question is, should seasteading set up the ideas behind its governmental structure from the start?

In the American colonies, people were used to the idea of living their own ways, freely. Yet they formed colonies for protection and help in projects - corn husking bees, barn building, butcher-baker-candlestick-maker.

I would guess that there are many people living out on the ocean in boats, with the idea that they will never go back, as long as the boat holds up. They are doing this privately, or in small groups. Joe Quirk is trying to set up a colony, isn't he? If he weren't, he could simply go live on a boat and develop his own "concrete hulled" island if he wanted.

A colony means government. Government means what? Better get this down clear right now, or it will wind up being a dictatorship faster than one might think, right?

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My question is, should seasteading set up the ideas behind its governmental structure from the start?

In the American colonies, people were used to the idea of living their own ways, freely. Yet they formed colonies for protection and help in projects - corn husking bees, barn building, butcher-baker-candlestick-maker.

I would guess that there are many people living out on the ocean in boats, with the idea that they will never go back, as long as the boat holds up. They are doing this privately, or in small groups. Joe Quirk is trying to set up a colony, isn't he? If he weren't, he could simply go live on a boat and develop his own "concrete hulled" island if he wanted.

A colony means government. Government means what? Better get this down clear right now, or it will wind up being a dictatorship faster than one might think, right?

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It will grow slow enough so that the first seasteaders are the ones determining their government. Not some people speculating on the Internet.

That will be the early adopter advantage.

It may change down the road as more people come but those early pioneers will be shaping the foundation of seasteading governance.

With just a handful of people all you need are rules akin to a home owners association. They can then decide how they want things from there.

First seastead company actually selling sea homes: Ocean Builders https://ocean.builders  Of course we accept bitcoin.
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My question is, should seasteading set up the ideas behind its governmental structure from the start?

In the American colonies, people were used to the idea of living their own ways, freely. Yet they formed colonies for protection and help in projects - corn husking bees, barn building, butcher-baker-candlestick-maker.

I would guess that there are many people living out on the ocean in boats, with the idea that they will never go back, as long as the boat holds up. They are doing this privately, or in small groups. Joe Quirk is trying to set up a colony, isn't he? If he weren't, he could simply go live on a boat and develop his own "concrete hulled" island if he wanted.

A colony means government. Government means what? Better get this down clear right now, or it will wind up being a dictatorship faster than one might think, right?

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It will grow slow enough so that the first seasteaders are the ones determining their government. Not some people speculating on the Internet.

That will be the early adopter advantage.

It may change down the road as more people come but those early pioneers will be shaping the foundation of seasteading governance.

With just a handful of people all you need are rules akin to a home owners association. They can then decide how they want things from there.

A form of simplified U.S. Constitution with an emphasis and explanation on the Right to Contact and the duty of the jury to use jury nullification might be a good focal point.

Or, they could use the simple government that Dennis proposes here:
Monty Python - Constitutional Peasants Scene (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng


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I like the idea of this developing into a society based upon blockchain.
If the seastead takes off and becomes stable it could create a very rich zone for blockchain development and real world testing, becoming the blockchain equivalent of silicon valley and attracting a lot of interest and investment on the world stage.

This is a very good notion. I like that. It can be a good breakthrough in human history and would become the 5th "industrial" revolution.

Countless things can be done through blockchain and irs a good place to start something on a notable scale
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The first seasteads will be more like individuals building a log cabin in the woods. Then more people also building their cabins in nearby woods. Some deciding to be next to each other, some preferring to be on their own. As it grows bigger there will be those that congregate more in one area while others still choose to be far enough away. There will always be the option to be far enough away. That makes it very difficult for a dictatorship to thrive.

So more like people choosing to move to Alaska to be free. Without the cold but with other challenges.

The mega super structures are a long way from happening and likely slow down seasteading by being the main focus and drain of money that never results in anything being built.


Agree. Organic (and relatively slow at the outset) growth is the only way to establish this sort of global movement.  Similar in a way to BTC.

Planning and centralisation always put a spanner in the works, and can only have a use in later stages.



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