Seasteading

[Elwar]

Once it is on the spar, will it remain balanced? Or will you have to keep whatever you have on it balanced to keep the whole spar balanced?

That's the key question. No amount of computer models will tell us. The spar is pretty stable on its own. The platform is stable on its own. Hopefully the two combined is stable.

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[BADecker]

Once it is on the spar, will it remain balanced? Or will you have to keep whatever you have on it balanced to keep the whole spar balanced?

That's the key question. No amount of computer models will tell us. The spar is pretty stable on its own. The platform is stable on its own. Hopefully the two combined is stable.

I know. First things first. But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

[vapourminer]

But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

a seastead with a basement. now that would be cool.

[BADecker]

But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

a seastead with a basement. now that would be cool.

Or a string of basements:

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[Elwar]

Once it is on the spar, will it remain balanced? Or will you have to keep whatever you have on it balanced to keep the whole spar balanced?

That's the key question. No amount of computer models will tell us. The spar is pretty stable on its own. The platform is stable on its own. Hopefully the two combined is stable.

I know. First things first. But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

It is already a large 2 meter tube 20 meters deep. The water level should not come up to the 7 meter mark.

All of that 7 meters can be utilized. For storage or...I've really got my sights on a very large smoker...for smoking all of the fish I catch. And buying large amounts of meat and smoking it so it lasts longer. Another suggestions was a micro brew.

[BADecker]

If the U.N. gets involved, even though the oceans are very large, they will want to control seasteading. A big U.N. ship visiting each small seastead with the command to sign up or die, might be a threat big enough to dissolve the freedom of most seasteaders.

The threat will be hidden, of course, as will be the causes of the natural disasters that overcome the seasteads that don't join.

DuckDuckGo search on "Jim Stone nuclear tsunami" - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jim+stone+nuclear+tsunami&t=canonical&ia=images - to see that "they" aren't afraid to do whatever they want.


Floating cities once seemed like sci-fi. Now the UN is getting on board

Bjarke Ingels Group and a company called Oceanix presented a wild concept for floating cities at the UN this week, imagining completely self-sufficient communities in the era of sea level rise.

In 2007, entrepreneur Mark Collins Chen became the minister of tourism in his native French Polynesia. One of his first tasks was to assess whether sea level rise was a threat to the group of 118 islands, located in the South Pacific. He quickly learned that one-third of all of the French Polynesian islands would be submerged by either 2035 or 2050–depending on which scientist you spoke to.

To respond to the coming crisis, Chen (who served as minister of tourism for a year) wants to build groups of floating islands that would be able to act as new human settlements not only for French Polynesia, but for the countless other islands that will suffer a similar fate–as well as the many global cities that are located on the coast. An estimated 2.4 billion people–40% of the world's population–live in a coastal region and will likely be impacted by rising sea levels as a result of climate change. In late 2018, Chen started a company called Oceanix that is aimed at building the off-shore urban infrastructure that will help people weather the problems of rising seas–as well as extreme floods and storms.

The question has to do with how large a seasteading "city" can grow and yet remain outside of the gunsights of the U.N.

[yeosaga]

https://www.businessinsider.com/un-floating-city-housing-hurricanes-2019-4

[Elwar]

https://www.businessinsider.com/un-floating-city-housing-hurricanes-2019-4

Knowing the people involved in this, I assume that this "UN roundtable discussion" was a few people gathered around a table at the UN building in New York. They may have had one employee of the UN with them. They discussed seasteading. Then marketed it as the UN wanting to build a floating city.

[BADecker]

^^^ Absolutely! Anything the UN promotes will have a contract between them and the people using their promotion. If you don't cross out adverse points, write in your good points, and maintain a line that states that you have the right to withdraw any time for any reason, taking your property with you (and make sure you term your property correctly), you'd be wise to forget the UN.

[Baofeng]

Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.

[tvbcof]

Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.

I'm suitably impressed that Elwar actually went as far as to get something which basically floats rather than just floating some pie-in-the-sky idea and pocketing people's money.

I think one ingredient to setting up a 'sovereign' place is to not do it in someone else's 'sovereign' place.  Doing so seems to be asking for trouble.  Easier said than done these days though.  IIRC, the UN has claimed ownership of all ocean surfaces not listed as territorial waters by the various nation states.

Oh well, there is always outer space.  Surely it won't cost more than a couple thousand to set up shop out there.  Hurry though.  The UN will likely be claiming that to if they have not done so already.  Oh wait...Asgardia already got that first (in their minds at least.)  Maybe they are just claiming low earth orbit.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_UeESh60_A

[Jating]

Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.

Ok so it looks like they the Thai government suddenly see Elwar and his seasteading project a threat? This is just purely an attack on seasteading practice since it's slowly gaining grounds.

I would reckon that he and his girlfriend are hiding, you don't want to be thrown in jail in Thailand. And I really hope that he can survived all of this because we all know that Elwar is one of the early investors on crypto and he build his project from his bitcoin earnings.

[BADecker]

Perhaps Thailand area waters are the best suited for Elwar's project. Elevations of the oceans can be found here - https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/ - in the event he wants to move. However, there may be reasons that make other suitable elevations to be just as hostile as Thailand.

[tvbcof]

Perhaps Thailand area waters are the best suited for Elwar's project. Elevations of the oceans can be found here - https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/ - in the event he wants to move. However, there may be reasons that make other suitable elevations to be just as hostile as Thailand.

Two ways to swap 'sovereignty' in the real world (as opposed to the theoretical mind of your average anarchist) would be to defeat a standing claimant in battle and deal with the fallout in terms of global recognition, or to buy it.  Doesn't seem to me that Elwar and his compadres did either.  If they did it was not reported in the news article.

Probably there are cheaper places to buy in.  One suspects the appeal of being a few hundred meters off the shores of Thailand is that opportunities to leave the outpost of danger and boredom for the land of sexual perversion and drugs are vastly greater in that locale than, say, Rongelap atoll.

[BADecker]

Seasteading isn't such a crazy idea after all.


The world's first FLOATING CITY could become a reality within a decade under UN-backed...

Blueprints to create the planet's first floating city could be made reality within the next decade as scientists ratchet up efforts to safeguard communities threatened by rising sea levels.

The United Nations is spearheading the revolutionary project, which will see self-sufficient buoyant platforms anchored to the sea bed upon which houses can be built.

Each one would be sturdy enough to home tens of thousands of people while also boasting typical town features such as public squares and markets.

When the plan was unveiled last year it grabbed headlines because of its scale of ambition, but this week senior figures breathed new life into the idea by speculating a 10-year timetable for the first floating city could be achievable.

UN-Habitat's deputy director Victor Kisob said: 'Floating cities sound like a crazy idea but they could lead to all sorts of possibilities if done in the right way,' according to the National.

He added: 'The next step would be to design a prototype with partners from the private sector that could be tried and tested.' 

Ninety per cent of the world's largest cities are vulnerable to submergence as glaciers melt and seas rise on a warming planet.

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Where did you go Elwar? Hope things are good.

[BADecker]

Where did you go Elwar? Hope things are good.

Didn't we hear that he was going to Anarchapulco? That's this month. Did it happen yet?



EDIT: Anarchapulco is on right now... until the 16th - https://anarchapulco.com/tickets-2020/.

[BADecker]

Meet The Seasteading Couple On The Run From Insane Thailand Trouble!


Meet The Seasteading Couple On The Run From Insane Thailand Trouble!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzJtZB538E

[Febo]

Yup they moved to Panama and project become way more serious now https://ocean.builders/ocean-builders-manufacturing-facility-gets-the-first-pour/    They know where they went wrong in Thailand. And that is what matters.

[BADecker]

Elwar said in the video I linked above - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzJtZB538E - something to the effect of how he is going to show Thailand what they missed out on... a business that could have made them money. But, the UN is talking about getting into seasteading, and Thailand can easily copy anything that Elwar does. And this brings us to a point.

We are staring at a race. The race is, free seasteading vs. formal seasteading by nations. People who are talking seasteading are giving ideas to nations. What if Bangladesh started making a formal Bangladesh-seastead, part of their nation, that could float anywhere, at the same time reducing their mainland population. What will happen when all the nations of the world do this formally?

Note that in the https://ocean.builders/ocean-builders-manufacturing-facility-gets-the-first-pour/ website, they are also talking about building a landstead. What does this all mean for the future?