AngryDwarf
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March 25, 2017, 02:29:46 PM |
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Soft fork or hard fork required to efficiently implement these ideas?
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rav3n_pl
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March 25, 2017, 02:50:08 PM |
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Transaction encoding can give 20-30% disk space and reduction of bandwidth. Good, but not good enough. New signatures need SegWit anyway: So the way we could use this to improve scalability in Bitcoin would be to add a OP_GROUPCHECKSIGVERIFY (and perhaps a multi-version of it) as part of a new segwit script typecode that takes as input sighash flags and a pubkey. It can give additional 40% capacity and can raise security. Good, but still not enough to scale. So we can doube-triple current tps? We will need like 100x and more. This can help, but it is not a remedy on 10x or 50x more transactions we have now. I`m not supporting scaling by raise block size to the moon, we just need more space now. Raising block size and adapting segwit in same time give us much more space and open new possibilities that segwit give us. But it all need TIME. And we run out of it, like 6 months ago. So, raise block to 2MB is bare minimum we need. Segwit is must-have. We need both.
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March 25, 2017, 03:07:07 PM |
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BIP148 is coming, so lets look on nodes: 90% Core 10% BU Lets guess, what will happen when 148 activate in November?
More like: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html90% Core 2.5% BU 7.5% others. If 148 is USER activated soft fork, and majority of USERS want cheap and fast transactions ON CHAIN, is IS possible to make UAHF and raise block size. I know, that scaling on chain is impossible, bus as I mention earlier - segwit goodies need time to be up and running, block size works instantly.
You still don't get it, do you? There is no emergent need for a capacity increase HF. As soon as the spam stopped, the mempool is nearly empty. https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin@Lauda, blocks are NOT verified as whole at one time. Maybe you forget, that every transaction that is received by node is verified on delivery. New block is announced as header (one hash to verify POW) and hashes of transactions included in it - node just need to verify gentx and pull/verify only MISSING transactions. In other words: if node is online and collecting transactions, even 15MB block can be verified in second, because node know and have verified transactions from block.
I am most certain that you don't know how Bitcoin works. You still verify the whole block, not just a partial part of it. You can effectively DoS the network with 2 MB blocks. 15 MB is absurdly large, unsafe, unneeded and would take down a high percent of our node count. And how many % are just running SW / core just because of some signed letter politics, hidden or open FED meetings or just uninformed ? What would it look like if all could decide on really a free and uncensored base?
How many % are running BTU/altcoin because Ver or his employees were spreading propaganda and/or were lobbying ViaBTC/TopBTC/Jihan? We don`t know. BIP148 anyway need hashing power, or nodes that support it just ban itself from network into no-new-blocks reality It is 'user-activated', not 'miner-activated'. Nodes >0.13.1 already support BIP148. Im sure you know that moving away from sth that worked for some years is a bigger hurdle than just keep things as usual and stay uninformed. So you re again showing clearly that you compare apples and snakes by claiming BU boys just follow stupid propaganda and high invested miners do not look into risk calcs. Better check what really happens and judge again.
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March 25, 2017, 03:15:33 PM |
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Good, but still not enough to scale. That literally is scaling up. Scaling has nothing to do with the magnitude of improvements. You clearly don't know what "scaling" means So we can doube-triple current tps? We will need like 100x and more. This can help, but it is not a remedy on 10x or 50x more transactions we have now.
I`m not supporting scaling by raise block size to the moon, we just need more space now. Raising block size and adapting segwit in same time give us much more space and open new possibilities that segwit give us. But it all need TIME. And we run out of it, like 6 months ago.
Nope. That's all bunk, spam attacks have been driving the transactions fees, not real economic activity. We're running below the 3-7 tx/s capacity today, and have been since the BU coup started to unwind. Maybe you could wave your hands faster? That'll work
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David Rabahy
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March 25, 2017, 08:08:33 PM |
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Have we got your term yet for improving processing?
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March 25, 2017, 08:11:28 PM |
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let's give this guy a medal for not being as retarded as the rest of us.
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March 25, 2017, 10:02:34 PM |
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458861 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 10:07:46 AntPool 00000000000000000136372dca1af177e8f74cb708b254968b90d8513d923386 415.92KB 458857 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 08:51:17 AntPool 000000000000000001cca23f26bb64ec76b8574e4db788c88678f54258d0b700 408.94KB 458854 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 08:42:47 AntPool 0000000000000000012f2e70de74a048c9e25cf761e3189f02199b74c73c7576 0.26 458831 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 04:36:52 F2Pool 0000000000000000012630565edd760acd7d41e92fd760b158438fcc54096072 0.27KB 458819 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 01:11:29 AntPool 00000000000000000003a4389f5fe3ec7dd264d3ac1499f6fe5564688c4b80c5 130.14KB 458926 (Główny Łańcuch) 2017-03-25 20:40:18 AntPool 000000000000000001abc043a7267ef220d273c095dacc4eaa25d37bed1c4882 681.72KB AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks HAHAHAHAHA fuck them those china miners cartel they need BIGGER BLOCKS ? Why ? They can't even mine constant 1MB....
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March 25, 2017, 10:12:28 PM |
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AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks HAHAHAHAHA fuck them those china miners cartel they need BIGGER BLOCKS ? Why ? They can't even mine constant 1MB....
AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks miner control of the networkThere, fixed it for you
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March 25, 2017, 11:14:11 PM |
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AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks HAHAHAHAHA fuck them those china miners cartel they need BIGGER BLOCKS ? Why ? They can't even mine constant 1MB....
AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks miner control of the networkThere, fixed it for you CK... you should know better shame on you trying to make scare stories fud and propaganda.. even you know if NODE consensus does not exist, then whatever gets made which does not follow node consensus gets rejected in 3 seconds. need proof: 2017-01-29 06:59:12 Requesting block 000000000000000000cf208f521de0424677f7a87f2f278a1042f38d159565f5 2017-01-29 06:59:15 ERROR: AcceptBlock: bad-blk-length, size limits failed (code 16)
try sticking with facts next time
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April 04, 2017, 09:07:00 PM |
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Some of the people that discussed here will already know it, but the original proposal (2 MB + Segwit) has had support from a prominent Core developer (or better, "security auditor") - Sergio Demian Lerner, also one of the people behind RSK. The original discussion is here at the developer mailing list. If a "conservative dynamic increase" like those proposed here and in other BIP-100/106-style solutions isn't possible because of lack of support, I would support a 2 MB hard fork with a reasonably large grace time after Segwit activation (~1 year). With a decentralized second layer solution like drivechains or extension blocks working (what we could achieve in 3 years, or not?) it may be even enough for all times.
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April 04, 2017, 09:11:38 PM |
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Some of the people that discussed here will already know it, but the original proposal (2 MB + Segwit) has had support from a prominent Core developer - Sergio Demian Lerner, also one of the people behind RSK.
If a "conservative dynamic increase" like those proposed here and in other BIP-100/106-style solutions isn't possible because of lack of support, I would support a 2 MB hard fork with a reasonably large grace time after Segwit activation (~1 year).
kind of funny segwit 2weeks grace. yet anything not blockstream authorized 1year plus grace.. kind of stupid to keep making a bip, but then let blockstream determine to terms and conditions.
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andrew24p
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April 04, 2017, 09:49:19 PM |
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regular segwit is fine for me. People are blocking it not for technical reasons, but because they will lose the ability to ransom for a HF
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d5000 (OP)
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April 06, 2017, 02:59:34 AM |
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kind of funny segwit 2weeks grace. yet anything not blockstream authorized 1year plus grace..
kind of stupid to keep making a bip, but then let blockstream determine to terms and conditions.
Why Blockstream? The terms and conditions are set by the node operators and miners. If they don't want a long grace period they can code in a shorter timeframe and use their own implementation. But they would have probably a hard time achieving a majority. But I pretty agree to the position of some Core devs that a planned hard fork needs more preparation than a couple of months. 1 year from now, I don't see the ~2,1 MB Segwit blocks (as of recent calculations because of transaction patterns) becoming full, even in a speculation bubble. We have ~40% growth per year in transaction volume, so the 2 MB hardfork can wait. The goal is to get the miners that want bigger blocks and are not totally against Segwit on board of the "Segwit ship". Even an USAF in this scenario could be safer if we manage to achieve a strong majority (e.g. >85%).
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