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June 22, 2011, 05:54:41 AM
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could use mibbit or something

Anyways, Dank, maybe you mistyped or something, i lost 1.4 BTC last night to the void. It happens, let it go and move on.  Also, if your bet wasn't doubled then what was left in the pot was split proportionally among everyone that wasn't doubled.  This is called gambling for a reason, you win or you lose.
No, I didn't mistype anything, this is solely NothinG's choice so he can make a profit.  NothinG is a scammer unless he can return my 2 BTC.  My bet wasn't doubled because the website went offline halfway through the round.  It is NothinG's fault for not providing the service advertised, thus I am fully entitled to a refund of my Bitcoins based off of NothinG's criteria stated at the time of the purchase.

NothinG, please do not ignore my post: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.msg262294#msg262294
I'm not ignoring anything, I just refuse to keep playing your game.
There is no way for me to prove that you didn't get refunded (as my history doesn't go back that far).
Playing my game.  You're logic is utterly flawed.

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There is no way for me to prove that you didn't get refunded (as my history doesn't go back that far).

I'm trying to interpret just what the fuck this means.  I already proved that I did not get refunded, and since you cannot prove that I have been then you have no basis to argue.  I have more proof than you, you are just spewing bullshit so you can keep your my BTC.

WARNING TO OTHER USERS: do not use this game expecting a refund or any money in return.

Its called gambling for a reason.  The refund from the pool/losers is unique (or was) to NothinG's game.  The refund in the game you are mentioning seems to be as if you were one of the people who did not get their bet doubled.  You are seizing as a reason, someone's misconception of NothinG's refund rule which was i believe, (i am not going to look for it) promptly refuted by NothinG.  Many of us have been very satisfied with this game both when we win and when we lose.  He spent over an hour trying to find refunds last night when his script went haywire.  Also, if you thought about it logically, how would he refund 98% of a person's bet to every loser when the loser's "bet" was used to pay the winner's doubled out payment.  Also, there have been "bets" of up to 8 BTC, so if he was planning to scam someone, why would he choose 2 BTC over 8 BTC. This common sense would show that he did NOT scam you, you were simply one of the many losing "bets" in this round.  Lastly, his screen shot was not cropped, if you accuse someone of cropping an image without obvious proof, then someone could just as easily say you cropped your refund out of the picture.  I personally do not believe that you did, but that you simply lost.  Sorry for your loss, hopefully you will have hope in one of the many other ventures here on this forum and be able to regain your BTC that way.

You don't understand, the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in.  When it came back online my BTC was not on the list!  The round never finished so I never even had a chance to double my BTC.

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(June 19, 2011, 01:36:45 am) Right now is the best time to enter, because you've got until midnight (server time) to get doubled!
Shortly after that announcement by NothinG (not because of it).  How am I suddenly not admissible for a refund?  My bet was not at the end of the round.

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If you went to Vegas and lost, do you think they would give you your money back if you asked for it?
Damn right they better if they advertise refunds and I meat the requirements for said refunds.

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Also, if I wanted to scam people...wouldn't I have done it when I was at 78BTC?
What would be the gain in me giving back 78BTC and over time not getting anywhere close?
The quantity of the people you scammed does not change the fact that you are indeed a scammer, or one who has scammed.  Return my money and I would have no right to call you a scammer, but due to the fact that you lied and decided to purposely steal my BTC you are a perfect example of a scammer.

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You like making people aware with you big text?
Makes you feel strong?
Does taking people's Bitcoins make you feel wealthy?  I am only telling people that you are a scammer so they don't end up in the same position as me.

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June 22, 2011, 05:55:45 AM
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+1 that this is a scam.
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June 22, 2011, 05:57:22 AM
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You don't understand, the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in.  When it came back online my BTC was not on the list!  The round never finished so I never even had a chance to double my BTC.
You just answered where the money went.

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June 22, 2011, 05:57:59 AM
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If you want a completely transparent one (blockexplorer and spreadsheet to double check anything I do) then check out my sig.  Just started a new one up.
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June 22, 2011, 05:58:24 AM
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You don't understand, the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in.  When it came back online my BTC was not on the list!  The round never finished so I never even had a chance to double my BTC.





Yeah dude, if mybitcoin.com was offline, then your money just went into outer space, not in NothinG's wallet.
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June 22, 2011, 05:59:13 AM
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I'll be civil. What time eastern time did you put in (convert if if you need to, just give me a time).

Welp.
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June 22, 2011, 06:00:43 AM
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Yeah dude, if mybitcoin.com was offline, then your money just went into outer space, not in NothinG's wallet.

Unfortunately, I can attest to that.  1.4 BTC of mine is now floating in the digital void.  Take it up with mybitcoin if necessary
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June 22, 2011, 06:01:59 AM
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@Dank: Want to see a real scam? http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20969.0

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June 22, 2011, 06:02:45 AM
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You don't understand, the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in.  When it came back online my BTC was not on the list!  The round never finished so I never even had a chance to double my BTC.
You just answered where the money went.
I know where my BTC went, straight to your bitcoin wallet.  It is your fault the website went offline, therefor I did not receive the service I payed for, therefor I rightfully deserve a refund.

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Yeah dude, if mybitcoin.com was offline, then your money just went into outer space, not in NothinG's wallet.
The website was online at the time of the transaction.  NothinG received my bitcoins.

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I'll be civil. What time eastern time did you put in (convert if if you need to, just give me a time).
I'm on the east coast, same time as the server.

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June 22, 2011, 06:06:07 AM
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Dank, you would not have doubled your Bitcoins even if he could find the transaction. You placed the bitcoins an hour and a half after the game started, and at that point its was practically dead. So the biggest refund you would have gotten would be a weighted percentage of the pot left. which would have been like .02 bitcoins. There was no way you could have gotten the 2 bitcoins even if no errors occurred, so get over it.
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Dank, you would not have doubled your Bitcoins even if he could find the transaction. You placed the bitcoins an hour and a half after the game started, and at that point its was practically dead. So the biggest refund you would have gotten would be a weighted percentage of the pot left. which would have been like .02 bitcoins. There was no way you could have gotten the 2 bitcoins even if no errors occurred, so get over it.
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If say the 10th person were the last person of the day, and they put in 512BTC then they would loose 2% (from fees) and get 509.44 back.
How is that bad?
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Now how did you calculate my refund?

Also (bold) you cannot assume I wouldn't double my Bitcoins because the service was unavailable.  I was only 2-3 places away from being doubled before it went offline.

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June 22, 2011, 06:10:49 AM
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That's outdated, he should edit it out. Here is what the website faq says (check if you want)

"Twice A Day (Noon & Midnight) (see front page for clock), the game is restarted.
Anyone left unpaid will split what's left of the bank over everyone who has been un-paid (this is weighted by how much you entered in to be doubled) - the 2% fee per person [(1% hosting fee) + (1% game restart) = 2% fee] (to their address)!
This is to keep the game fair, and alive."
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June 22, 2011, 06:12:38 AM
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I know where my BTC went, straight to your bitcoin wallet.  It is your fault the website went offline, therefor I did not receive the service I payed for, therefor I rightfully deserve a refund.
How would I have possibly of gotten the money if the site was offline?

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June 22, 2011, 06:13:18 AM
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Dank, you would not have doubled your Bitcoins even if he could find the transaction. You placed the bitcoins an hour and a half after the game started, and at that point its was practically dead. So the biggest refund you would have gotten would be a weighted percentage of the pot left. which would have been like .02 bitcoins. There was no way you could have gotten the 2 bitcoins even if no errors occurred, so get over it.
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If say the 10th person were the last person of the day, and they put in 512BTC then they would loose 2% (from fees) and get 509.44 back.
How is that bad?
- NothinG

Now how did you calculate my refund?

Also (bold) you cannot assume I wouldn't double my Bitcoins because the service was unavailable.  I was only 2-3 places away from being doubled before it went offline.

Think of it this way..

Lets say the first bet in the game is 5BTC, the next 10 bets are all 1BTC.  Those 10 collected BTC are used to pay out the double of bet #1.

At this point the pot is empty.  Let's assume nobody else plays.  There is no money to be refunded.  It has ALL been paid out to double the original bet.

You misunderstood the refund portion of the game.

Edit: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1LWhSDLPYhKThrNhMGXsVu9DEVxPkbHQpB here is your transaction.  If you notice, it hasn't gone anywhere yet.  If it got to his mybitcoin wallet it would almost certainly at least been partially used in a payout by now.  It's floating in space, and it's mybitcoin's fault... NOT NothinG's fault.

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June 22, 2011, 06:15:07 AM
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My 2 Cents
NothinG isn't a scammer.
I helped test his code.
Bare with him, he is tuning the code.
The post above about quoting only losing 2% of deposit was voided a couple posts past it.
1.5 hours in you lost anyways.
It sux but I was ready to lose 2 because the server took a few seconds to update longer than expected.
Its not just face value gambling, you should understand the risks involved.
Imagine disconnecting from a 10,000 dollar poker hand on full tilt...it happens.
I dont want to argue I just am pretty positive he is not a SCAMMER as you put it.

EDIT* He and the rest of us game operators are doing a lot more work right now than what we make for it.

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June 22, 2011, 06:22:05 AM
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I know where my BTC went, straight to your bitcoin wallet.  It is your fault the website went offline, therefor I did not receive the service I payed for, therefor I rightfully deserve a refund.
How would I have possibly of gotten the money if the site was offline?
Try reading this post again. http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.msg262543#msg262543

This time do not miss the "the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in."

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That's outdated, he should edit it out. Here is what the website faq says (check if you want)

"Twice A Day (Noon & Midnight) (see front page for clock), the game is restarted.
Anyone left unpaid will split what's left of the bank over everyone who has been un-paid (this is weighted by how much you entered in to be doubled) - the 2% fee per person [(1% hosting fee) + (1% game restart) = 2% fee] (to their address)!
This is to keep the game fair, and alive."
It was not outdated at the time of the transaction, the twice of day stuff wasn't even brought up until after the transaction.  It does not matter anyways because the website went down AFTER I PAID so I did not receive the service to have 22 hours to potentially be doubled.

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1.5 hours in you lost anyways.
I paid for a full round, did I not?  I was 2-3 places away from being doubled, you have no proof I wouldn't have been doubled if the website did not go offline.
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I dont want to argue I just am pretty positive he is not a SCAMMER as you put it.
I don't know what else you would call someone who takes your money and intentionally does not provide the service advertised.  Faker?  Hoaxer?  Comedian?  Scammer fits best to me.

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June 22, 2011, 06:24:42 AM
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I'm done feeding you, troll.
Call me a scammer, don't call me a scammer; I need sleep.

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If nothing else, this is definitely reaching one of the top-viewed posts in the forum Tongue
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I'm done feeding you, troll.
Call me a scammer, don't call me a scammer; I need sleep.
Troll?  Since when do trolls speak of factual evidence?  You're not only a scammer, you're also a hypocrite, you're ignorant to all the iformation I have compiled, and you know that the bitcoins rightfully belong to me although you let your greed override your sense(lessness) for moral business practice.  Thieves are one of the worst kinds of people and you are no better than a thug stealing someones purse or a common house thief.

Bitcoin community members, please read over the last few pages if you're considering using this game!  NothinG has, in fact, stole my 2 BTC, but please make an informed decision for yourself if you want to give your BTC to someone so unprofessional and irrational that he doesn't acknowledge a single valid point in any of my posts.

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Call me a scammer, don't call me a scammer; I need sleep.
Troll?  Since when do trolls speak of factual evidence?  You're not only a scammer, you're also a hypocrite, you're ignorant to all the iformation I have compiled, and you know that the bitcoins rightfully belong to me although you let your greed override your sense(lessness) for moral business practice.  Thieves are one of the worst kinds of people and you are no better than a thug stealing someones purse, or a common house thief.

Bitcoin community members, please read over the last few pages if you're considering using this game!  NothinG has, in fact, stole my 2 BTC, but please make an informed decision for yourself if you want to give your BTC to someone so unprofessional and irrational that he doesn't acknowledge a single valid point in any of my posts.

Your deposit in to the game is still showing as being untouched by blockexplorer.  Is it possible that it was not at least partially used in a game payout yet?  I guess so... Is it likely?  Not at all.  All game deposits end up in the same mybitcoin wallet.  All payouts are from there as well.  The fact that your 2BTC somehow remains untouched should be enough proof that more likely your transaction never reached its intended destination.

Mybitcoin is most likely at fault.  Your beef is with them.

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