Electrum and Gpg4win

[ziggy2]

Hello,

I have noted that in my (Windows 7) list of programs, there is a Gpg4win (2.3.2). I know it is a cryptography software.
Actually when I first installed Electrum, I also intalled Kleopatra, which I thought was needed - but I'm actually not using it (...as far as I know !).

Is Gpgp4win part of Kleopatra or Electrum - or is it required for either of these sotware to work properly ?
I think that I don't need Kleopatra. So if Gpg4win is only related to Kleopatra, can I safely uninstall Gpg4win ?

Thank you for your assistance.

[mocacinno]

Hello,

I have noted that in my (Windows 7) list of programs, there is a Gpg4win (2.3.2). I know it is a cryptography software.
Actually when I first installed Electrum, I also intalled Kleopatra, which I thought was needed - but I'm actually not using it (...as far as I know !).

Is Gpgp4win part of Kleopatra or Electrum - or is it required for either of these sotware to work properly ?
I think that I don't need Kleopatra. So if Gpg4win is only related to Kleopatra, can I safely uninstall Gpg4win ?

Thank you for your assistance.

gpg4win is not needed by electrum, there's a reasonable chance it was installed by kleopatra. As long as you wrote down your electrum recovery seed there is no harm that can be done by deinstalling anything... You can even format your harddisk and re-install your os as long as you have that phrase notted down on a piece of paper

[ziggy2]

Thank you mocacinno !

If in the future I have to restore my Electrum wallet from the seed, no password will be required (shall I have to choose another pw) ?

[mocacinno]

Thank you mocacinno !

If in the future I have to restore my Electrum wallet from the seed, no password will be required (shall I have to choose another pw) ?

no, the seed is sufficient, when restoring from seed you can pick any password you'd like (either the same one, or a completely new one).
The only thing that seems to get lost is the labels you attached to your transactions and/or addresses. If you want to keep those, you'll have to export them periodically. Everything else is covered by the seed

[pooya87]

there's a reasonable chance it was installed by kleopatra.

kleopatra IS a part of gpg4win.

and it is used to verify the signatures on windows, it helps make the process easier. you just put file and its signature in one folder, right click on the file and in the menus select the appropriate option (think it is called verify) then it checks and reports fast and easy and newbie friendly.

[Peter789]

Informative thread thanks.
But doesnt Electrum have its own encrytion service? Why need pgp?

[HI-TEC99]

Informative thread thanks.
But doesnt Electrum have its own encrytion service? Why need pgp?

It's for verifying the electrum wallet software you downloaded really was written by the electrum devs, and  hasn't been tampered with by hackers. All the devs put their pgp keys on github, and other users in a web of trust verify those really are the dev's pgp keys.

https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/tree/master/pubkeys

Any pgp software can check in various databases that all the users in the web of trust agree those dev's keys on github really belong to the electrum devs. Verifying a downloaded electrum wallet has been signed with a pgp key proves it hasn't been tampered with.

If a hacker switched the dev's pgp keys on github for his own your pgp software would tell you those keys don't match the keys certified by the users in the various web of trust databases.

[Peter789]

Thanks very much for that HI-Tech,
Now all I got to do is work out how to check my electrum wallet. I'll start with your links.

[HI-TEC99]

Thanks very much for that HI-Tech,
Now all I got to do is work out how to check my electrum wallet. I'll start with your links.

The gpg4win documentation page is here.

https://www.gpg4win.org/documentation.html

It contains this download link to a pdf of the documentation for the software. Pages 110 to 112 explain how to use an .asc signature file to check if a downloaded file is authentic.

http://wald.intevation.org/frs/download.php/1385/gpg4win-compendium-en-3.0.0.pdf

These are screenshots of those three pages.

[HI-TEC99]

There is some kleopatra configuration you will need to complete before checking a signature.

So there are some things you need to do:

Step 1: Figure out where to find the required public key and import it into your keyring.
Step 2: Verify that key according to its fingerprint
Step 3: Sign that key with your key, so GnuPG knows the key is valid and belongs to the specified "person"

Then if the signature is valid, you should get the successful verification result upon signature verification.

For step 1 you need to find ThomasV's public key and import it into your keyring. The electrum download page says both sources and executables are signed by ThomasV at present.

https://electrum.org/#download

Sources and executables are signed by ThomasV

It provides this link to a page where you can find his key.

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6

Click a link marked 7F9470E6 [selfsig] on that page.

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6

Another page should open containing the text quoted below (ThomasV's key). Copy and paste this text into notepad, then save the file as key.asc

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: SKS 1.1.5
Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu

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=X6bv
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Import the key.asc file.



It should look something like this afterwards.




For step 2 verify that key according to its fingerprint using the instructions in this page. Some people (including that page's author) occasionally skip step 2.

http://www.cymru.com/gillsr/documents/pgp-key-verification.htm

How many times have you received a PGP key from a public key server or through e-mail and not verified its authenticity?  Truthfully this author has done just so far too often.  The fact that a key is stored on a public key server does not mean it should be implicitly trusted.

For step 3 you have to mark that key as trusted by you. Change the owner trust to however much you trust that key and ThomasV







Now you need to sign that key with your key, so GnuPG knows the key is valid and belongs to ThomasV. Follow these instructions to create your key (if you haven't already created one).










Next you have to certify ThomasV's certificate with your own.















After that you can check that an .asc file confirms an electrum wallet was signed by ThomasV. Make sure the .asc file is in the same folder as the electrum wallet installer you want to verify.






Browse to the .asc file and kleopatra will automatically detect and verify the electrum wallet installer file.

[Peter789]

WOW, Hi-Tech I thank you so much for your help.

I will make this one of my projects over the next few weeks. I am about to go work in the mines (12hr days plus travel) so time will be limited.

I will let you know how I go.

Thanks Peter

[Peter789]

Hi tech, I can't find AppData on my computer. i have the new Win10 and it is new to me.

I right clicked my wallet through electrum > Gpg>decrypt and veryfy and got 'cleo cant open file error 218136625

[Peter789]

I went into cleo to search for ThomasV.asc as I could not find his email addy.
It said to go to  setting>configure cleo... what do I do there?

[HI-TEC99]

I went into cleo to search for ThomasV.asc as I could not find his email addy.
It said to go to  setting>configure cleo... what do I do there?

If you want to search inside kleopatera for his key you will need to add a certificate server (if you haven't done it already). The default one that my version of kleopatera suggests doesn't recognise a search for the name thomasv, but produces results if I search for his email (thomasv@electrum.org). Strangely if I access the same server through a web browser instead of through kleopatera it produces results for a search of the name thomasv.

Search for thomasv here in a web browser, it's the default certificate server my kleopatera uses.

http://keys.gnupg.net/

A search sent me to this page that shows his email address (thomasv@electrum.org).

http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=ThomasV&fingerprint=on&op=index

This is a series of screenshots showing how to configure kleopatera by adding a certificate server, then how to search for ThomasV.asc




My version of kleopatera automatically adds this server when I click the new button.





Click apply.






Afterwards you can search for search for ThomasV.asc





My version of kleopatera doesn't produce results if I search for thomasv, but it does if I search for thomasv@electrum.org










If you want more information, or a particular server goes offline (which they sometimes do) there is a tutorial and list of servers here.

https://www.gpg4win.org/doc/en/gpg4win-compendium_22.html

Here is a selection of well-functioning certificate servers:

hkp://blackhole.pca.dfn.de
hkp://pks.gpg.cz
hkp://pgp.cns.ualberta.ca
hkp://minsky.surfnet.nl
hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com
hkp://keyserver.pramberger.at
http://keyserver.pramberger.at
http://gpg-keyserver.de

[Peter789]

Thanks heaps for your help mate.
I shall work my way through this.

[Peter789]

I got to 'decrypt verify'- but got 'general error'

[HI-TEC99]

I got to 'decrypt verify'- but got 'general error'

Is the electrum wallet file you are trying to verify in the same folder its corresponding .asc file? The two files need to be in the same folder. Also how did you try to decrypt/verify? Did you do it directly inside kleopatera like in the first screenshot below, or did you do it through the context menu like in the second screenshot below?

I sometimes had problems with the context menu method, but verifying directly inside kleopatera worked.

[Peter789]

Hi Tech,
I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results.

Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfqpuk88aeo2pfn/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2019.57.44.png?dl=0

So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results.

I also dont know what boxs to click here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u99ihnxcsv4v2hp/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.00.04.png?dl=0

Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek9ghwdbtwfkwgs/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.02.29.png?dl=0

[mocacinno]

Hi Tech,
I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results.

Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfqpuk88aeo2pfn/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2019.57.44.png?dl=0

So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results.

I also dont know what boxs to click here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u99ihnxcsv4v2hp/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.00.04.png?dl=0

Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek9ghwdbtwfkwgs/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.02.29.png?dl=0

I always verify everything on linux, so i cannot help on how to verify files using cleopatra. However, your screenshots look like you're verifying individual wallet files...
This is incorrect...
For example, at this moment you download https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe and you verify this .exe using the asc file https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe.asc . You do not validate the signature of any individual file you find on your system AFTER installing electrum, you verify the installer BEFORE using it

If you happen to have a running linux distro, i created a (very small) howo verify 2.8.1 in one of my previous posts (can easily be adapted for 2.8.2):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834175.msg18259689#msg18259689

[HI-TEC99]

Hi Tech,
I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results.

Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen.


So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results.

I also dont know what boxs to click here



Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum?

Mocacinno is right, you have to verify the installer files, not individual wallet files. I demosnstrated it below using the latest portable installer and its corresponding .asc file as an example. Normally on any page with links to download installers there are also links to download their corresponding .asc files.

You must put an installer and .asc file in the same folder before verifying. For the example I downloaded electrum-2.8.2-portable.exe and electrum-2.8.2-portable.exe.asc from this page.

https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/


These are the steps I followed, starting with putting both those files in the same folder.