ASICBOOST Aftermath: What Now Must Be Done?

[franky1]

ebeliever

im actually a fan of
diverse open decentralised peer network of multiple brands using consensus..
i just hate blockstream as they are the opposite of all that.

this is why each year blocstreamists try to pigeon hole me into whatever group is their enemy at the time..
but fail to realise the actual issue at hand

you can pretend this year im a BU groupy and next year you can pretend im something else all you like, but all or doing is sticking your head in the sand to the real issue.

P.S
blockstream wont last long.
$70m in debt and already their 'founders' are planning their exit strategy.
matt corolla got away first. now with chaincode labs

hint, if he was a founder of a $70m business. why leave.
hint, its $70m debt that needs returns, not profit... and times running out for them..

so think long and hard about what you are protecting..
start protecting bitcoin and its diverse open decentralised peer network of multiple brands using consensus..

not the blockstreamist group that is temporary because soon enough you wont have them to snuggle up with

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[Alex.BTC]

Note that BitMain also whines about an army of paid trolls. Let's see.... their twitter feed shows everyone criticizing them, and every poll and survey shows them in a huge minority in terms of human beings (not hashrate). Yet the forums are filled with a handful of overactive zealots fighting tooth and nail on behalf of BU. Yet we're expected to believe that it is Core that has the troll army and not BU?

Read the news before you troll you stupid lazy fuck, leading LN dev just public stated what everyone knew all along: Core runs PR and trolling campaigns:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-core-runs-trolling-campaigns-says-lightning-network-developer/
Bitcoin Core Runs “Trolling Campaigns”, Says Lightning Network Developer

Joseph Poon, Lightning Network developer, has publicly stated today that Bitcoin Core has “a secret channel where they organize their PR and trolling campaigns.” He further stated that “many people have talked about it (more than 5 people) and it’s alluded to it in various places which are publicly accessible since it’s basically where a lot of decisions around PR happens.”

Speculations regarding organized trollings by Blockstream specifically have been made for quite some time, especially after Alex Bergeron, better known on reddit as brg444, who constantly argued in favor of Blockstream in a somewhat trolling manner, was actually hired by Blockstream.

However, it is the first time someone prominent and well-known has publicly stated Bitcoin Core is running trolling campaigns in secret channels which may explain some of the toxicity coming out of some parts of bitcoin’s community.

According to your dumb fuck logic, LN dev must also be fighting on behalf for BU too then?

This kind if idiocracy is what I am talking about, there is a limit on how stupid you can be when you work as a shill for someone, when your logic degrade to this level the script just doesn't work anymore, why the fuck do you idiots even repeat them? It isn't working, does your PR handler even read what you're posting?
 
You know Blockstream is fucked when even the LN dev go against them in public, if I were you I'd start looking for a new PR job, at this rate Blockstream won't last long.

[Sadlife]

We need to activate UASF as soon as possible as an counter measure for Jihan centralized blockchain that will only benefit him.
Wake up the truth has been revealed !

[Alex.BTC]

We need to activate UASF as soon as possible as an counter measure for Jihan centralized blockchain that will only benefit him.
Wake up the truth has been revealed !

Now this is just hilarious, you idiots were just proven wrong again by facts, and you just go ahead and repeat the same bullshit anyway? Did you even feel shame when you click the 'Post' button?

[Viscount]

such a belligerent newb  fookball is it you?

[jonald_fyookball]

such a belligerent newb  fookball is it you?

nope.  i'm my own creature. 

So, are you a shill?   Do you support any scaling roadmap other than Core's?

[leopard2]

At the moment I am open to anything that is incompatible with Asicboost
 

How about extension blocks?

http://www.coindesk.com/purse-proposal-touts-extension-blocks-bitcoin-scaling-solution/

That looks like a reasonable option. So, will that be Asicboost resistant? How?

I am a bit confused because the article says Bitmain supports it.

[jonald_fyookball]

At the moment I am open to anything that is incompatible with Asicboost
 

How about extension blocks?

http://www.coindesk.com/purse-proposal-touts-extension-blocks-bitcoin-scaling-solution/

That looks like a reasonable option. So, will that be Asicboost resistant? How?

I am a bit confused because the article says Bitmain supports it.

My understanding is that it will be asicboost resistant for the same reason segwit would be
(separation of block data making it impossible to pre-calculate the last bytes of the merkle tree, or something...)

Or at least the new version of it will be.

As far as Bitmain, first I heard they supported it, and assumed they didnt care about asicboost,
someone said now they changed their mind?? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1858369.msg18499158#msg18499158
but i'm sure they can't stop it if the rest of community wants it.

 

[tournamentdan]

I am amazed by the core sheep fuck tards.
Bitmain once supported segwit when core was going to include a larger block size. Core backed out of the bigger blocks. Which is why bitmain withdrew support for segwit. Which blows out of the water all of the conspiracy theories of the asicboost nonsense.

Not only that, but the core sheep fail to do the math. Bitmain pools perform within 1% of other pools. If they were mining more empty blocks than everyone else. They would have a higher block to hash rate than everyone else. They do not. Therefore no one is using asicboost.

I think the conspiracy theorists need new tinfoil hats.

[alyssa85]

Summary of the situation: Bitmain has been producing and mining with ASICs using an exploit that gives them a dramatic advantage over competing miners.

Welcome to capitalism.
Why is this a big deal?

This. This. This.

It's a free world and miners are free to do whatever they can to give themselves an advantage. It is a competition.

[franky1]

I am amazed by the core sheep fuck tards.
Bitmain once supported segwit when core was going to include a larger block size. Core backed out of the bigger blocks. Which is why bitmain withdrew support for segwit. Which blows out of the water all of the conspiracy theories of the asicboost nonsense.

Not only that, but the core sheep fail to do the math. Bitmain pools perform within 1% of other pools. If they were mining more empty blocks than everyone else. They would have a higher block to hash rate than everyone else. They do not. Therefore no one is using asicboost.

I think the conspiracy theorists need new tinfoil hats.

you also forgot the conspiracy theorists who think time travel is real and allowed miners to make a segwit attack

time line
an asic was made BEFORE segwit even was envisioned for bitcoin. the details of asicboost and its utility was available before segwit.
but somehow.. magic unicorn of events happened:
miners seen october 2016 code and went back in time to make hardware and software that are strange now (february2017+) attacking segwit..

much more likely that segwit was not designed correctly to work around hardware efficiencies and even 5 months after public release (last month) when gmaxwell and chums suddenly realised that segwit has a flaw and spent a month trying to patch segwit, but they couldnt.

so now all of a sudden gmaxwell wants to throw conspiracy theories that miners made an attack to disrupt segwit and so now segwit needs to stop miners.

..
to me asic boost is like ATI's openCL that gave ATI GPU's an advantage over Geforce GPU's a few years ago.
so if you can imagine going back to 2011
imagine core pointing fingers that ATI was attacking core by being efficient mining hardware, you would laugh at core devs. not try bombing ATI

[tournamentdan]

Yes. And the core sheep also forget that core owns several patents for off chain technology that steals money from miners. Which is the number one reason core has been acting this way. They want to make a shit ton of money.

Mining machines are expensive. The risk involved is high when it comes to a bitcoin mining operation. It takes about 1,600. USD to get one bitmain s9 running. Yet it's net profit is only 4.00 Usd a day. Which means it takes 13 months just to get a return on investment.

If people are tired of China businesses having the majority of network hash. I strongly suggest you (bitcoin community) take part in the high risk and purchase miners. You don't have to have them in your house. There are places that host them for you. If you want a vote. Time to put your money where your mouth is and invest into the foundation of bitcoin.

[franky1]

If people are tired of China businesses having the majority of network hash.

you would be surprised that the whole "china own mining" reddit scripts has been exaggerated too.

[Carlton Banks]

It's a free world and miners are free to do whatever they can to give themselves an advantage. It is a competition.

Not this world.


If someone can cheat in the competition, that's not open or free competition.


And we're all here, really, because the information has got out that the central banks (and commodities markets) are basically a trick. That's called fascism, not capitalism.

We're a part of Bitcoin to free the world from the unfair competition, not because the competition is fair. Do keep up, amanda85

[aarturka]

It should now be clear to the community, that Bitcoin is in a troubling and difficult situation. There are powerful entities with dishonest objectives, who are consolidating influence over the ecosystem and preventing needed protocol upgrades.

After the recent comments from the industry rejecting BU and now the evidence about covert ASICBOOST being used, likely providing further evidence of malicious and dishonest behavior, the Bitcoin community fortunately has some positive momentum. In my view, now is the time to use this positive energy and capitalize on this strength, to resolve the issues we are facing.

A UASF is risky strategy. Perhaps the safest thing to in the short term is nothing. However, this could lead to stagnation and the hostile entities could further consolidate their power, making a resolution to our troubles more difficult in the future.

The risk of doing nothing is not just one of technical stagnation, but also social stagnation. This blocksize dispute (although maybe the blocksize itself was really just a convenient distraction) has been damaging to the community. The Bitcoin community lost its positive energy, excitement, ambition and optimism. We need to come together as a community, in a positive way, to activate a UASF in a decisive and ruthless manner, and get this destructive and toxic issue behind us. If the community cannot show strength in the face of these challenges, then perhaps Bitcoin is too weak to succeed in the long term.

A UASF will not happen unless the community acts. We cannot wait for others to take the lead. For a UASF to work, this cannot only come from the Bitcoin Core software project, the community must act. Although at some point, the Bitcoin Core software project may need to exercise the influence it has and also take a risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/645jjq/why_i_support_a_uasf/

[aarturka]

No, as author or BIP148, my position is the community must go first, in vast numbers. Once there is overwhelming support, BIP148 naturally becomes safer the more economic majority get behind it. ACT NOW if you want it. Dont wait for Core to endorse it, because they wont and should not make the decision. Even commenting on it will skew opinion. You go first and if there is wide support I will make a pull request. If there is not I will abandon the BIP.

[tournamentdan]

It should now be clear to the community, that Bitcoin is in a troubling and difficult situation. There are powerful entities with dishonest objectives, who are consolidating influence over the ecosystem and preventing needed protocol upgrades.

After the recent comments from the industry rejecting BU and now the evidence about covert ASICBOOST being used, likely providing further evidence of malicious and dishonest behavior, the Bitcoin community fortunately has some positive momentum. In my view, now is the time to use this positive energy and capitalize on this strength, to resolve the issues we are facing.

A UASF is risky strategy. Perhaps the safest thing to in the short term is nothing. However, this could lead to stagnation and the hostile entities could further consolidate their power, making a resolution to our troubles more difficult in the future.

The risk of doing nothing is not just one of technical stagnation, but also social stagnation. This blocksize dispute (although maybe the blocksize itself was really just a convenient distraction) has been damaging to the community. The Bitcoin community lost its positive energy, excitement, ambition and optimism. We need to come together as a community, in a positive way, to activate a UASF in a decisive and ruthless manner, and get this destructive and toxic issue behind us. If the community cannot show strength in the face of these challenges, then perhaps Bitcoin is too weak to succeed in the long term.

A UASF will not happen unless the community acts. We cannot wait for others to take the lead. For a UASF to work, this cannot only come from the Bitcoin Core software project, the community must act. Although at some point, the Bitcoin Core software project may need to exercise the influence it has and also take a risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/645jjq/why_i_support_a_uasf/

There's is no evidence of "now the evidence about covert ASICBOOST being used".
Stop spreading lies. Any further comments need to have data behind them. Which is one thing core sheep do not have.

[franky1]

Not this world.


If someone can cheat in the competition, that's not open or free competition.


And we're all here, really, because the information has got out that the central banks (and commodities markets) are basically a trick. That's called fascism, not capitalism.

We're a part of Bitcoin to free the world from the unfair competition, not because the competition is fair. Do keep up, amanda85

lol

so censoring anything non-core is fair?
thinking core (one of many implementations) should rule supreme is fair?
demanding people respect gmaxwell as king is fair?

letting blockstream use the anyonecanspend opcode backdoor exploit to get their elements:segwit altcoin slid into bitcoin without having node consensus veto is fair?

think about it.

oh and think about it with the diverse dcentralised bitcoin ethos hat on.. not the blockstreamist defender hat on

[aarturka]

There's is no evidence of "now the evidence about covert ASICBOOST being used".
Stop spreading lies. Any further comments need to have data behind them. Which is one thing core sheep do not have.

with your s9 crap you should pray that we apply UASF, another option is Pow do you prefer it?

[tournamentdan]

There's is no evidence of "now the evidence about covert ASICBOOST being used".
Stop spreading lies. Any further comments need to have data behind them. Which is one thing core sheep do not have.

with your s9 crap you should pray that we apply UASF, another option is Pow do you prefer it?

Neither. Best option is bigger blocks with out off chain nodes stealing money.
You still have not provided any numbers backing your claims.