Allinvain $500,000 theft & Black Friday related? CIA / Banker Attacks?

[AtlasONo]

I think it would be more effective for the CIA to kill a high ranking member and overtake all their accounts & who's to say it hasn't been done already? Vladimir didn't post at all on June 15th! That's plenty of time to torture the true crypt password out of him and and take over his forum account.  Now it's just a matter of time before his account joins allinvain on the bitcoin banker team.

edit: Also how cool is it that I can change my name & pose as somebody so easily on here.

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[ixne]

don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it.  not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes.  just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008?  the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them.  by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster.

economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD.

I'm not arguing that my country (New Zealand) is immune to downturn.  I do argue that in the face of the sort of worldwide catastrophic financial meltdown that people on here like to prophesy, I'd feel much more comfortable being in my own country with it's emphasis on self-reliance, large non-subsidized agricultural base, and small population than in the gutted industrial wreck that is the US.  After all, the sort of currency devaluation you predict is in essence the end of US-centered finance, so it's hard to see how the US would end up a relative winner.  In any case:

1) You resort to too much hand-waving in your arguments.  Yea, I get that bad things are afoot, but that's about as specific as you get about what's coming down the pipeline.
2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb.

by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage.  the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4.

I'm not looking for absolute proof.  I'm looking for any, or just an argument free of hyperbole in lieu of that.  But I'll make sure and look for "banksters" under my bed tonight, I'm sure they're more interested in fiddling with my little life than in enjoying their own fabulous life of wealth and privilege.

[cypherdoc]

I think it would be more effective for the CIA to kill a high ranking member and overtake all their accounts & who's to say it hasn't been done already? Vladimir didn't post at all on June 15th! That's plenty of time to torture the true crypt password out of him and and take over his forum account.  Now it's just a matter of time before his account joins allinvain on the bitcoin banker team.

very funny Vladimir.  but theres a distinct difference from making conspiracies up out of thin air versus putting clues together from statements, time links, language patterns, context, motivations, history, and economic incentives.  if diligent, one can "see" whats going on behind the curtain.

[jatajuta]

The point Im trying to make is how the banksters in the world will have full control of the population, if when dollar collapses we have another option that does not come from their magic hat?

Well that's quite a jump from what the article you link to is saying.

How exactly will the "banksters...have full control of the population" when they're just as vulnerable (if not more so) to a devaluation of the US dollar?  Banks have more reason than anybody to prevent default.  What sort of leverage do you suppose banks will have when their reserves are worthless?  Seriously, just stop and think for a second.  What motive does a billionaire bank CEO or hedge fund manager have for destroying their own wealth - "they" are already fantastically wealthy, and want nothing more than to maintain the status quo.

We are disrupting plans that are in course for decades, this technology just provides an option to not accept this mass slavery through a debt based monetary system.

Oh...sorry, didn't realize you were completely bat$#*t insane.  Please continue.

Please inform yourself before even try to start a debate.

Inflating the currency is the most ancient method for generate economy instability and the wealthy ones can buy half the country at discount rates.

First watch this entire study on how the money supply has been manipulated since Rome to accomplish the fact mentioned above:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

Then read this little article showing how the wealth is going fast through the top 1% on US

http://www.businessinsider.com/29-facts-about-extreme-income-inequality-in-america-that-will-blow-your-mind-2011-6#in-the-united-states-today-the-richest-one-percent-of-all-americans-have-a-greater-net-worth-than-the-bottom-90-percent-combined-1

What they have to lose if their money worth nothing?

They have nothing to lose if they can buy half the country as the currency devaluates, then the next step is just do a monetary reform and issue a new currency under the same circunstances.

And we are not even reaching the Oil monopoly problem.

Im not making assumptions, these are facts that were carefully studied by top economists and other specialists.

If you think I am bat$#*t insane its your opinion, but if you watch that video above you will have the same information I had to make such assumptions and will realize that maybe the debt based system is flawed.

[jatajuta]

2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb.

You are welcome to discuss all this in my mother language that is portuguese.

 

[cypherdoc]

don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it.  not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes.  just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008?  the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them.  by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster.

economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD.

I'm not arguing that my country (New Zealand) is immune to downturn.  I do argue that in the face of the sort of worldwide catastrophic financial meltdown that people on here like to prophesy, I'd feel much more comfortable being in my own country with it's emphasis on self-reliance, large non-subsidized agricultural base, and small population than in the gutted industrial wreck that is the US.  After all, the sort of currency devaluation you predict is in essence the end of US-centered finance, so it's hard to see how the US would end up a relative winner.  In any case:

1) You resort to too much hand-waving in your arguments.  Yea, I get that bad things are afoot, but that's about as specific as you get about what's coming down the pipeline.
2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb.

by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage.  the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4.

I'm not looking for absolute proof.  I'm looking for any, or just an argument free of hyperbole in lieu of that.  But I'll make sure and look for "banksters" under my bed tonight, I'm sure they're more interested in fiddling with my little life than in enjoying their own fabulous life of wealth and privilege.

don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it.  not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes.  just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008?  the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them.  by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster.

economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD.

I'm not arguing that my country (New Zealand) is immune to downturn.  I do argue that in the face of the sort of worldwide catastrophic financial meltdown that people on here like to prophesy, I'd feel much more comfortable being in my own country with it's emphasis on self-reliance, large non-subsidized agricultural base, and small population than in the gutted industrial wreck that is the US.  After all, the sort of currency devaluation you predict is in essence the end of US-centered finance, so it's hard to see how the US would end up a relative winner.  In any case:

1) You resort to too much hand-waving in your arguments.  Yea, I get that bad things are afoot, but that's about as specific as you get about what's coming down the pipeline.
2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb.

by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage.  the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4.

I'm not looking for absolute proof.  I'm looking for any, or just an argument free of hyperbole in lieu of that.  But I'll make sure and look for "banksters" under my bed tonight, I'm sure they're more interested in fiddling with my little life than in enjoying their own fabulous life of wealth and privilege.

have u paid attention to whats been happening the last 4 yrs?  lets see if i can provide some facts and examples of outright deception and lying coming from the Fed/banksters:

1.  Hank Paulson continued to say "we want a strong dollar" while he and Bernanke printed up 700 billion USD to hand out to the banks.
2.  the banks said they needed that money to keep credit and loans to small business going to prevent an implosion in the economy.  well, the economy imploded anyway and the banks did not increase lending.  evidence of this fact is the explosion in bank reserves to prevent their own implosion.  i can provide graphs if u want.
3.  Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers insisted up to the day they went under that their financial situation was under control.  do did the head of Bear Stearns, Merrill, Countrywide.
4.  Angelo Mozillo was selling 50,000 shares of stock weekly for an entire year before its implosion all the while saying he was just doing the prudent thing and the company was fine.
5.  Bernie Madoff stole millions from clients in a classic ponzi scheme.
6.  Benanke refused to reveal Fed bailout data until forced to by a Congressional demand.  we now find out that billions were given away to foreign banks, like the Bank of Libya as well as small strip malls in Oklahoma.
7.  the Fed is privately owned by banks like JPM, GS, Deutche Bank, UBS, Credit Suisse, etc.  Who does Bernanke answer to?
8.  the Fed controls our money supply; who do they give their bailout money to?
9. Bush, Bernanke, Paulson never revealed to us how much trouble we were in and in retrospect they tell us we were 10 min from financial destruction. 

i'm tired now but i could go on and on with examples of lying and deception.  and u wonder why people are suspicious.

[ixne]

They have nothing to lose if they can buy half the country as the currency devaluates, then the next step is just do a monetary reform and issue a new currency under the same circunstances.

Buy it with what?  Their own devalued currency?  And what exactly are they buying?  Businesses that are going belly-up in the midst of a monumental economic catastrophe?  Who is accepting all this devalued currency in exchange for their valuable property?  It just doesn't make basic sense.  

Yes, wealth is going straight to the top 1%, that's no secret.  Guess what: they have EVERYTHING to lose.

And yes, I've given Larouche 10 minutes of my time in the past.  He's closer to cult leader than serious economist.

i'm tired now but i could go on and on with examples of lying and deception.  and u wonder why people are suspicious.

I'm familiar with all your examples, I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make, or how your examples may support that point.  And I don't wonder why people are suspicious, I just wonder why they see images of human bondage and new world order superimposed over what appears to me to be old-fashioned greed.

[cypherdoc]

I'm familiar with all your examples, I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make, or how your examples may support that point.  And I don't wonder why people are suspicious, I just wonder why they see images of human bondage and new world order superimposed over what appears to me to be old-fashioned greed.

the pt is you should be astounded by what lengths these ppl have gone to lie, cheat and misrepresent the truth to their own ends. my jaw hits the floor weekly now when i read about the bankster exploits.

i wouldn't be surprised if someone has paid off allinvain to create FUD.  this would be a quaint example compared to what i listed above.  why should this community be immune to these manipulations esp. when it would be the banksters only possible strategy if btc is as secure as we all seem to think here?

[AtlasONo]

I think it would be more effective for the CIA to kill a high ranking member and overtake all their accounts & who's to say it hasn't been done already? Vladimir didn't post at all on June 15th! That's plenty of time to torture the true crypt password out of him and and take over his forum account.  Now it's just a matter of time before his account joins allinvain on the bitcoin banker team.

very funny Vladimir.  but theres a distinct difference from making conspiracies up out of thin air versus putting clues together from statements, time links, language patterns, context, motivations, history, and economic incentives.  if diligent, one can "see" whats going on behind the curtain.

You had better be more diligent because you sure didn't see what's going on behind THIS curtain!

[Mageant]

Whether or not the $500,000 theft is real we must assume that the government will use all tricks to stop Bitcoins from becoming established.
Making Bitcoons outright illegal is probably only the last thing they would resort to.
Before that they will certainly be spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to no small degree.

The way I see to counter that is to make sure we have a well running system and spread the truth about Bitcoins.
Also, to stay calm during wild market swings (I wouldn't be surprised if some goverment agents just buy and sell Bitcoins to make it more volatile).

[Swishercutter]

thats great.  i'm sorry but i have to pt out the obvious; notice all the inconsistencies?

I've been noticing them all along. It reminds me of a child playing with money or someone with an agenda.

Or someone doing it for the LULZ

[andes]

Before that they will certainly be spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to no small degree.

The way I see to counter that is to make sure we have a well running system and spread the truth about Bitcoins.
Also, to stay calm during wild market swings (I wouldn't be surprised if some goverment agents just buy and sell Bitcoins to make it more volatile).

...and the most important thing, putting things in context. In this case a technical person who was involved for months in Bitcoin mining does not follow the most basic security procedure, that is having several protected savings accounts. In that context, this is just a beginners mistake, and bad luck for a person who was careless. If I leave my car alone with an open box full of 100 dollars bills, and someone steals it, is that the fault of paper bills?

The ways to avoid this particular theft have been known for a long time, and are available for everyone. I am sorry for Allinvain's loss, and I hope he can recover sicologically, but I dont see this is worth further discussion.

[cypherdoc]

Whether or not the $500,000 theft is real we must assume that the government will use all tricks to stop Bitcoins from becoming established.
Making Bitcoons outright illegal is probably only the last thing they would resort to.
Before that they will certainly be spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to no small degree.

The way I see to counter that is to make sure we have a well running system and spread the truth about Bitcoins.
Also, to stay calm during wild market swings (I wouldn't be surprised if some goverment agents just buy and sell Bitcoins to make it more volatile).

+1

[bitrebel]

The main point to consider is what effect this is having psychologically on the mass population.

In hypnotism, post hypnotic suggestion is very powerful and the power advertising has on the subconscious mind, how much $$ is spent on this alone, should say volumes to it's potential to overcome the mind.

The population will from here onwards, associate the words, "All in Vain" with bitcoins. This is a subconscious program being run on the unwitting and uneducated, and it all works through the subconscious.

I find it far too difficult to believe the synchronicity of his name, (All in Vain), the theft that happened to him, and the media attention afterwards. That when coincidence becomes conspiracy in my book.

This was intended to be a psychological operation on the population. IMO

[Swishercutter]

The main point to consider is what effect this is having psychologically on the mass population.

In hypnotism, post hypnotic suggestion is very powerful and the power advertising has on the subconscious mind, how much $$ is spent on this alone, should say volumes to it's potential to overcome the mind.

The population will from here onwards, associate the words, "All in Vain" with bitcoins. This is a subconscious program being run on the unwitting and uneducated, and it all works through the subconscious.

I find it far too difficult to believe the synchronicity of his name, (All in Vain), the theft that happened to him, and the media attention afterwards. That when coincidence becomes conspiracy in my book.

This was intended to be a psychological operation on the population. IMO

Sounds more logical than a supposed early adopter being this careless with that many btc.

[MeSarah]

Bankers and the CIA? lol Too funny. If one thinks that the CIA and bankers are involed you are naive. To think they were is ludacris. Do you know what a logical fallacy is? Just because A causes B and B causes C, you cant say that A caused C. Saying so is a logical fallicy. To say the bankers and CIA are the enities behind allinvain is just asinine. There is more evidence that this is real than there is for a connection to the banks or the CIA. Evidence people evidence. I for one am not convinced that allinvains theft is not a hoax.

If you think that btc will replace the dollar or euro or (enter national currency here) your delusional. Why would some government entity or bank(ers) want to step into a $150M market when the have a multitrillion dollar market to play in? For them it would be like trying to pick knat shit from pepper.

Only the most repressive governments would want to take action against btc. The main reason governments are looking at btc is because of some of the illegal activites of a few people or groups. Guess what? They did the samething to SL lindens when they were being used for illegal gambling. Its not a big deal and nothing to be concerned with unless your involved with laundering or accepting/providing illegal goods or services.

If a government wants to stop btc there is one very easy way, freeze the bank accounts of the exchanges, period full stop! People always want to speak about what happened in the past with the monitary system. What they basicly say is that because A happened causing B and because B happened causing C that they will always attempt A to maintain C. Many of these people profess to know monitary history but they always leave out or dont know the realitve portions of monitary history that would be applied to btc, community currencies  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency .  Community currencies have been around sense the 1930s and the only ones that were shut down were the illegal ones.

On the contrary I think most governments are content not taking action against btc because it adds to the economic output, increased electricy sales, hardware sales, sales of legal goods and services. At some point that money will flow back into the economy through the exchanges.

Btc has some strong allies, SecondLife and Facebook to name two. Any legislation actions against btc would also affect SL and FB. I can tell you they would ensure that their multimillion dollar virtual currencies are well protected. Their investers would demand it of them. Btc will always remain a niche currency. The world would never convert entirely to doing business exclusively in btc. Btc is a laboratory for future currencies. Governments are just as intrested in the outcome as you and I are.        

If you want to help ensure that btc doesnt have to restructure to fit into a new legal framework dont use it for nefarious purposes. Dont give moral support to those that do stupid things like laundering. Dont deal with sites like SR. You dont think these people will be caught? They will, its only a matter of time.

[bitrebel]

shutup you fucking crackpot.

And what may your agenda be, Dunk?
We'll be watching you carefully from here on.

[Swishercutter]

shutup you fucking crackpot.

And what may your agenda be, Dunk?
We'll be watching you carefully from here on.

LOL...I suspect you are not kidding.

[bitrebel]

[bitrebel]

Bankers and the CIA? lol Too funny. If one thinks that the CIA and bankers are involed you are naive. To think they were is ludacris. Do you know what a logical fallacy is? Just because A causes B and B causes C, you cant say that A caused C. Saying so is a logical fallicy. To say the bankers and CIA are the enities behind allinvain is just asinine. There is more evidence that this is real than there is for a connection to the banks or the CIA. Evidence people evidence. I for one am not convinced that allinvains theft is not a hoax.

If you think that btc will replace the dollar or euro or (enter national currency here) your delusional. Why would some government entity or bank(ers) want to step into a $150M market when the have a multitrillion dollar market to play in? For them it would be like trying to pick knat shit from pepper.

Only the most repressive governments would want to take action against btc. The main reason governments are looking at btc is because of some of the illegal activites of a few people or groups. Guess what? They did the samething to SL lindens when they were being used for illegal gambling. Its not a big deal and nothing to be concerned with unless your involved with laundering or accepting/providing illegal goods or services.

If a government wants to stop btc there is one very easy way, freeze the bank accounts of the exchanges, period full stop! People always want to speak about what happened in the past with the monitary system. What they basicly say is that because A happened causing B and because B happened causing C that they will always attempt A to maintain C. Many of these people profess to know monitary history but they always leave out or dont know the realitve portions of monitary history that would be applied to btc, community currencies  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency .  Community currencies have been around sense the 1930s and the only ones that were shut down were the illegal ones.

On the contrary I think most governments are content not taking action against btc because it adds to the economic output, increased electricy sales, hardware sales, sales of legal goods and services. At some point that money will flow back into the economy through the exchanges.

Btc has some strong allies, SecondLife and Facebook to name two. Any legislation actions against btc would also affect SL and FB. I can tell you they would ensure that their multimillion dollar virtual currencies are well protected. Their investers would demand it of them. Btc will always remain a niche currency. The world would never convert entirely to doing business exclusively in btc. Btc is a laboratory for future currencies. Governments are just as intrested in the outcome as you and I are.        

If you want to help ensure that btc doesnt have to restructure to fit into a new legal framework dont use it for nefarious purposes. Dont give moral support to those that do stupid things like laundering. Dont deal with sites like SR. You dont think these people will be caught? They will, its only a matter of time.

If my friends and I started a collection of Baseball cards from 1991, only Topps, and we decided, once bought most of them up, that they would be considered as currency. We started a website to buy and sell those cards back and forth in realtime. We decided amongst ourselves that these cards in particular had more value than the others, so we traded them at approx. $10 a card, and it constantly fluctuated between the buys and the sells.

Are you telling me we now have created a currency under US banking laws and it can be regulated like alternative or community currencies?

I think not.

Bitcoins are no different.